Nine Inch Nails: Trent Reznor's Nasty Feud with Marilyn Manson

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Nine Inch Nails Leader Trent Reznor feud with Marilyn Manson
0:00 - Trent Reznor's Early Life
1:36 - Reznor Meets Manson
3:25 - Reznor Works With Manson
8:10 - Reznor Reunites With Manson
9:47 - Feud Escalates
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It’s hard to believe that Marilyn Manson and Trent Reznor had a decades long ffeud considering how they used to work together and shared similar traits. Today lets explore the feud between the pair.
Trent Reznor had an early aptitude for music playing piano age the age of 12 with his grandfather telling people magazine in 1995 "[Reznor] was a good kid [...] a Boy Scout who loved to skateboard, build model planes, and play the piano. Music was his life, from the time he was a wee boy. He was so gifted."
Growing up in Pennsylvania, Reznor found excitement through music, horror movies and television shows to escape the boredom of small town life. It would be music that allowed himself to reinvent himself later in his life. He would play jazz was in the marching band and was part of the drama club in high school playing Judas in Jesus Christ Superstar. A strange coincidence that he’d work with Marilyn Manson’s on his Antichrist Superstar album years later.
Reznor would end up moving to Cleveland Ohio in 1985, when he was 23 and worked as a janitor and assistant engineer in a local studio. During his days off he was allowed to record material in the studio and that would result in Nine Inch Nails debut record 1989’s Pretty Hate Machine. The album was a success going gold. Reznor’s follow up 1992’s EP broken went in a heavier direction and it resulted in a prolonged legal battle with his label TVT Records over creative control over Nine Inch Nails sound. Reznor eventually signed with major label interscope.
Reznor would meet Marilyn Manson around 1989 when Manson interviewed Reznor while he worked as a journalist for a south florida publication called the 25th parallel. They would meet at a club in Florida and according to Manson’s biography Reznor wasn’t very friendly initially as he was moping in the corner but as they chatted things seemed to warm up. Manson would tell Guitar World in 1992 "Trent and I met around the same time that Marilyn Manson was formed,". "We became friends. We had a lot in common."
By the early 90’s they would meet again when Manson’s band the Spooky Kids were opening for Nine inch nails at a club in Florida. . Manson by his own admission was tripping on acid and went to reznor asking him for feedback on the band’s performance. Reznor hadn’t watched the show, but took a tape from Manson of his band. Reznor and Manson would end up collaborating on the video for the song ‘gave up’ from the Nine Inch Nails EP Broken. There would be three different versions of the video for the song with one version featuring footage of Manson recording the song with the band
It was around this time that Reznor had formed his own label named Nothing Records under Interscope & it wasn’t too long after that Manson would end up hearing from Reznor’s manager asking for him to send him more material. Manson would be the first artist Reznor signed to his new label. By this point in time Reznor was working on nine inch nails second LP The Downward Spiral at 10050 Cielo (see ello) Drive. It was the same home that actress sharon tate was murdered in by followers of cult leader Charles Manson.
Manson soon began work on his first album for nothing records initially titled the manson family album. Originally linked to the project would be producer Roli Massoman who had worked with the Swans. But after several months of work in the studio over the summer of 1993 Manson wasn’t happy with the results. He felt that the recordings were too polished and didn’t capture the energy of the band’s live shows. By October of 1993 Trent Reznor stepped in the producer chair and brought in some of his session players from Nine Inch Nails to finish up the recording over a 2 month period with Manson telling the Miami new Times "We spent seven weeks redoing, fixing, sometimes starting from scratch. That was our band's first experience in a real studio on a project this big. We didn't kno

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@rnrtruestories
@rnrtruestories Жыл бұрын
Whose side do you take? Trent Reznor or Marilyn Manson?
@Keyser___Soze
@Keyser___Soze Жыл бұрын
“The story was removed from the interview because the editors had concerns over unethical procedures used to get information out of Manson” Whoa whoa whoa you cant just have a throw away line like that at the end! WTF does that mean? What TF did they do? Got him all drugged up? Spiked his drink? Tortured him (he might have actually liked that)? Waterboarded him? Held a gun to his head? Made him sit in a chair with his eyes forced opened (like A Clockwork Orange) and made him watch and listen to LFO “Summer Girls” (“New Kids on the Block had a bunch of hits, Chinese food makes me sick, And I think its fly when girls stop by, For the summer for the summer, I like girls that wear Abercrombie and Fitch....”)? WHAT HAPPENED??
@badxradxandy
@badxradxandy Жыл бұрын
Neither they're both f'd up
@leeannwiley1623
@leeannwiley1623 Жыл бұрын
Reznor
@owl509
@owl509 Жыл бұрын
Manson easily
@laurenb916
@laurenb916 Жыл бұрын
@@badxradxandy Reznor is sober and a good person. He is also a brilliant musician.
@johnskilling7019
@johnskilling7019 2 жыл бұрын
My grandparents lived in a town about 25 miles or so from where Trent grew up. I was a huge fan so when I was 12 my grandma drove me about 30-40 minutes up to Trent’s high school. I walked in the lobby and asked some admin if they knew if Trent went there. Most of them had no idea who or what Nine Inch Nails was. But one lady who did pulled a couple yearbooks from the early 80’s to let me check. Sure enough, there was Trent’s senior picture. They made me a xerox copy for a souvenir. Nice folks, and Grammie was the best.
@uverpro3598
@uverpro3598 2 жыл бұрын
My coach’s wife went to high school with Reznor, she was a grade ahead of him and in the marching band. She showed me three year books with him, and they shared the same piano tutor. She claimed he had been inspired by Liberace when he was a kid.
@ryanjefferies2788
@ryanjefferies2788 2 жыл бұрын
This is more creepy than anything. Why would you want to go to Trent's high school? Its been like 40 years since he was there...
@Eyetrauma
@Eyetrauma 2 жыл бұрын
What a cool grandma
@eddiehazard3340
@eddiehazard3340 2 жыл бұрын
@@ryanjefferies2788 Nothing "creepy" about it. Creepy is being a pedo. Creepy is stalking folks in real time. So, your influences are important in life. And when you have an influence, you want to go where they were, sometimes. It doesn't mean you don't have your own identity. It doesn't mean you're a weakling follower. It means you get something deeply, and you want to go see where they were. And his high school? Man, a lot of this angst was born of high school. So of course it would be cool to go there. That's all. I get John Skilling. I get what he said. When I was younger, and full of angst, I loved Pretty Hate Machine. Few albums expressed how angry and cheated I felt as well as it, and it tore the lid off industrial..maybe only Ministry was as awesome (or more awesome. or just as awesome..dunno). These days - not so much - I'm on a happier vibe. But I get what he (John Skilling) is saying. I hope you have a nice day, bro! :)
@jeanpaulmichell7243
@jeanpaulmichell7243 2 жыл бұрын
@@eddiehazard3340 Good response. And yes, so much of the early work of NIN and other similar bands is directly influenced by the high school experience. I was HUGE into NIN in high school, the Downward Spiral connected with me in a major deep way; it also changed the way I listened to music. But I cannot stress enough how important the catharsis was; as a hurt, scared kid it provided a way to release feelings I could scarcely describe, I avoided acting out in dangerous ways because of that music. Rock on.
@incubustimelord5947
@incubustimelord5947 2 жыл бұрын
The moral of the story: "We need to stop doing drugs." - Trent Reznor (to Marilyn Manson)
@lethrbear32
@lethrbear32 2 жыл бұрын
They wrote and recorded Antichrist Superstar in speed, coke, pills, LSD, and sleep deprivation. It is by far their best album. Everything was pale in comparison. Even Mechanical Animals which could hold it in by itself. I hate what he's done to himself. I've seen him 14 times and the last tour with Rob Zombie was horrifying in a bad way. He was so wasted by the end of his set that he was incoherent. Look in my videos. Zombie made up for it. He was kick ass per usual.
@michealrosen
@michealrosen 2 жыл бұрын
@@lethrbear32 the downward spiral is far superior to anything Manson has ever done or will ever do.
@Sindollx666x
@Sindollx666x 2 жыл бұрын
@@lethrbear32 i'm So glad i saw Manson back on earlier tours too. Ive seen him at least 9 times. But admittedly I didn't make the effort to keep seeing Manson live after Eat Me Drink Me, which severely disappointed me. Especially coz one of my all time favorite shows it's still the Mechanical Animals/Beautiful Monsters tour, it was epic A.F. Though the first time i saw Manson live on the Dead to the World tour, I felt like i was witnessing history, also Epic a.f. As for Nin/manson i love them both always & forever.
@lynxlecher9547
@lynxlecher9547 2 жыл бұрын
@@michealrosen Not to AS; and I'm not saying that Manson is better. But the collaboration between the 2 of them is what made the greatest album in history.
@alloybust3842
@alloybust3842 2 жыл бұрын
pointaken
@lizd.8655
@lizd.8655 2 жыл бұрын
Reznor now scoring Disney films was something I never would have guessed back when I was going through my moody teen phase back in the mid 90s
@Bag0HaZe
@Bag0HaZe Жыл бұрын
Don't let that take away from any respect you have for him. Making music is a job, it doesn't always have to be something that represents your personal projects .. Lot's if musicians write songs for other people and also do stuff commercially it's a fun challenge. Taking on these projects challenges you as an artist whilst also keeping you busy... it's not a bad thing.
@val_de_mez
@val_de_mez Жыл бұрын
​@@Bag0HaZewell said
@bencarlson4300
@bencarlson4300 Жыл бұрын
He’s also really good at film scores, he and Johnny Greenwood from Radiohead are two of the best working film composers. Both of their styles are distinct and it’s easy for me to see a direct link from some of the electronic/ambient tracks of The Fragile to his Oscar winning score for The Social Network. It’s more than a commercial product, it’s just a different extension of what he was already doing,
@archibaldcabebe6062
@archibaldcabebe6062 Жыл бұрын
And he's also scoring Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem with Atticus Ross alongside. Yes, really.
@seltonk5136
@seltonk5136 Ай бұрын
The posers loved him. Birds of a feather
@paulallen-01
@paulallen-01 Жыл бұрын
I met Trent in the early 2000’s in NYC. Wound up talking with him for like 20 minutes. He was very friendly and down to earth.
@natas2350
@natas2350 2 ай бұрын
Stop soft bragging, its pitiful
@paulallen-01
@paulallen-01 2 ай бұрын
@@natas2350 cry about it. I’m not bragging. I was just stating a fact that I met him and he was a chill dude. So go cry about your pathetic life somewhere else
@catfish64115
@catfish64115 Ай бұрын
@@natas2350erm?? they just wanted to share a cool experience calm down 😭😭
@D3M0NQU33N
@D3M0NQU33N 2 жыл бұрын
"Look- I'm not going to say Limp Bizket sucks, ya know? You know it, I know it and I'm not gonna say it." -TR. That line makes me laugh every time.
@rars0n
@rars0n 2 жыл бұрын
Limp Bizkit only sucked because Fred Durst sucks. There were some talented musicians in that band.
@D3M0NQU33N
@D3M0NQU33N 2 жыл бұрын
@@rars0n I agree with you- I like Wes Borlands playing quite a bit.
@FakefulandDisgracedSlaveClass
@FakefulandDisgracedSlaveClass 2 жыл бұрын
Limp bizkit is still going though, they can really rock it out. In some ways they got the last laugh
@Sindollx666x
@Sindollx666x 2 жыл бұрын
I hated the majority of that kind of music anyways, and Limp Bizcuit was up on the list. Only numetal band i really enjoyed is Korn. But i agree that Wes Borland is a talented guy. I seem to remember he was nearly offered a gig in Nine inch Nails, and being in Marilyn Manson for a spell.
@arfullum04
@arfullum04 2 жыл бұрын
@@FakefulandDisgracedSlaveClass disagree. I've seen Nine Inch Nails several times and it's always a great show, musically and visually. Also, Trent and Atticus Ross have been involved in numerous scores for movies and television series. Furthermore, NIN was inducted into the Rock HoF. Limp Bizkit will likely never be there quite honestly, because they don't deserve to be. I know this is purely subjective but, one could argue that Trent Reznor and Nine Inch Nails have had a wildy more successful career than Limp Bizkit.
@wendynerd1199
@wendynerd1199 2 жыл бұрын
Three of my favorite Trent Reznor stories, all of which are kind of sweet. 1) When he was living in the Tate house, Tori Amos was getting really, really worried about how skinny he was getting, so she showed up on his doorstep with bags full of groceries all "I'm going to make you some chicken." Well, here's the thing: Tori Amos knows how to make chicken, but not in a haunted house/with broken kitchen appliances. The oven and stove kept turning off and on and things just kept going wrong. Finally they just had to go out and get something to eat. He was apparently watching the entire time, thoroughly amused. 2) Sharon Tate's sister came to visit him in the Tate House and told him that she felt him recording an album there was exploitative and hurtful. So he moved out. 3) His house in New Orleans (I saw it when I went on a tour of the French Quarter and Garden districts. I also saw Anne Rice's house. Hers was way more goth and literally had skulls carved into all the ironwork). He moved in on the same block as this congresswoman who was, uh, not too thrilled at the idea of having the guy who wrote "Closer" living on her street. She was certain that him living there would turn the neighborhood into a Dethklok concert and that the district would never get any peace. She got the HOA involved and everything. Well, one day she goes to Reznor's house while he is having some renovations done and she is ready to be all "You ain't going to be blasting your scary rock and roll all over this block, Mr. Rockstar!" - only to find out that the renovation work he was having done was to sound-proof most of the house so that the neighbors wouldn't be disturbed. They ended up becoming friends and walked their dogs together. I love stories like those.
@sandelic1
@sandelic1 2 жыл бұрын
I've always had mad respect for Tory Amos, but now I love her even more!
@user-rs7xf5tm9s
@user-rs7xf5tm9s Жыл бұрын
The Tori Amos one 🛐
@ladyhonor822
@ladyhonor822 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful illustrations Wendy ❤️ AMEN Philadelphia USA 🇺🇲
@MusicmyZombie
@MusicmyZombie Жыл бұрын
Love it....thank you
@MickMcGarnackle
@MickMcGarnackle Жыл бұрын
If there's one thing I don't remember about the 90s, it's stories about Trent Reznor being a typical rockstar douchebag, because I'm pretty sure there aren't any.
@SamantherPanther
@SamantherPanther 2 жыл бұрын
Manson being butthurt over being called a McDonald's burger is so funny
@prairiedeath
@prairiedeath 2 жыл бұрын
Literally, dude’s whole thing is being an edgelord, yet he cant even handle being called…. A mcdonald’s burger? Huh? 😭
@talkingtreefrombugaboocree4847
@talkingtreefrombugaboocree4847 2 жыл бұрын
@@prairiedeath he’s literally a baby underneath it all. Definitely would be a neck beard incel if he didn’t become famous
@piterpraker3399
@piterpraker3399 Жыл бұрын
@@prairiedeath There was a brief period of my childhood during which I'd call my brother different variations of a silly goose until he cried.
@Wolfdragon92584
@Wolfdragon92584 Жыл бұрын
Pffft that's a funny-ass insult. More creative than outright offensive.
@killbotone6210
@killbotone6210 Жыл бұрын
Manson spent a year laughing at Billy Corgan because he got annoyed being called Charlie Brown by Manson...guess Manson is a bigger snowflake.
@beezysbeatz4924
@beezysbeatz4924 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad Trent came out on top. That's what talent and class gets you.
@rickdeckard1075
@rickdeckard1075 Жыл бұрын
im glad that trent's face went from massive dork to adult man, thats what cheek and chin implants and rhinoplasty and steroids and a good physical trainer gets you
@b-bopeddie1290
@b-bopeddie1290 Жыл бұрын
dudes a tool......
@rickdeckard1075
@rickdeckard1075 Жыл бұрын
@@b-bopeddie1290 i always thought so...
@rodjohnson6408
@rodjohnson6408 Жыл бұрын
Class does not equal taking personal potshots and insults at someone for 20 straight years every time you're interviewed imho
@zeliminator666
@zeliminator666 Жыл бұрын
What are you talking about Manson hangs out with Johnny Depp and made new albums lolololol
@williamherd7251
@williamherd7251 2 жыл бұрын
Trent 100% discovered Marilyn Manson. Not saying Manson would never have made it, but he certainly owes Trent a lot
@lynxlecher9547
@lynxlecher9547 2 жыл бұрын
That didn't mean he could bully and make fun of him.
@saintsataniko2116
@saintsataniko2116 2 жыл бұрын
You know who else Trent discovered... PRICK. He put out one really good record and was an opener for NIN, but just disappeared without ever reaching Manson's level of success.
@theodorethompson9032
@theodorethompson9032 2 жыл бұрын
When i saw MM open for NIN in 1994 Manson said he wanted to F a 14 year old boy...
@saintsataniko2116
@saintsataniko2116 2 жыл бұрын
@@theodorethompson9032 It's impossible to link something said on stage to his actual beliefs and behavior. It sounds like a disgusting thing to say, but his whole persona was trying to offend societal norms. Also these days you have innumerable comedians who make jokes about pedophilia because thy just want to push the boundaries of what can make their audiences laugh.
@theodorethompson9032
@theodorethompson9032 2 жыл бұрын
@@saintsataniko2116 they're not pushing boundaries. They are normalizing it ....
@vxxiii4160
@vxxiii4160 2 жыл бұрын
Let's not forget Trent has two Oscars already. Dude is mega talented
@joeblack2800
@joeblack2800 9 ай бұрын
All due respect to Reznor but NIN hasn't ad a good song in 20+ years. To this day Manson is cranking out some incredible albums. NIN only ever had about four good albums in the 90s.. Manson's career and body of work far exceeds Reznors short lived success. And don't even bring up the garbage he does now with Atticus Ross for movie soundtracks.. Background noise..
@qipinni
@qipinni 6 ай бұрын
@@joeblack2800respectfully, you’re wrong, mansons voice is nails on a chalkboard
@-Swamp_Donkey-
@-Swamp_Donkey- 4 ай бұрын
Because Jewish approval is the hallmark of a good artist
@ryanhopkins5239
@ryanhopkins5239 2 ай бұрын
​@@qipinnipretty sure he's a troll. The same comment is posted 4 times
@seltonk5136
@seltonk5136 Ай бұрын
One day you are pretending to be edgy, the next you are completing with Arthur 2 On The Rocks for best original score
@uverpro3598
@uverpro3598 2 жыл бұрын
After Nirvana and grunge, this was the rock scene of late 90s. NIN, Manson, White Zombie… it was a very special time and place for hard rock and metal. I was a little too young to fully enjoy it, but better believe I appreciate it. This scene at the time will forever be linked to what rock means to me.
@arfullum04
@arfullum04 2 жыл бұрын
To be fair, NIN's first album was released in 1989 which predated grunge
@User-54631
@User-54631 2 жыл бұрын
All those bands all ripped off ministry and skinny puppy.
@uverpro3598
@uverpro3598 2 жыл бұрын
@@arfullum04 Oh I know. Industrial music and Goth rock goes back to the 60s and 70s, but the fusion of electronic music and metal was closer to the time I was talking about. Yes, bands like Ministry, Skinny Puppy, and Rammstein were all there and I’m sure there are more post-punk bands I didn’t mention. My point wasn’t about the origin of Industrial, Goth, or Electronic Metal, but rather when the record industry CAPITALIZED on these bands. Next came Nu-Metal and Garage Revival but Rock music never had the same edge or place on the charts as this post-grunge scene.
@uverpro3598
@uverpro3598 2 жыл бұрын
@@User-54631 I don’t think those bands would deny that. It was their mainstream success that turned me onto Ministry, Skinny Puppy, and others. My comment wasn’t about the scene and style but rather the few years when it went mainstream and people outside of cities were listening to these bands.
@Bumbaclot213
@Bumbaclot213 2 жыл бұрын
An that horrible phase of nu metal
@baileymoran8585
@baileymoran8585 2 жыл бұрын
I loved this feud when I was a teenager. Now all I can think is ‘wow... Reznor really should have stopped giving Manson chances, and Manson should have actually stopped doing drugs.’ I may not be wealthy and famous, but I avoided a lot of drama, drug addiction, Courtney Love, and fast food insults.
@elysiumsexsmith
@elysiumsexsmith 2 жыл бұрын
It's swings and roundabouts really. Manson and Reznor embraced sex, drugs and rock and roll and 25 years later, people are still talking about them and buying their music. You avoided sex, drugs and rock and roll in exchange for a safe and relatively mundane existence and 99.9% of the world have no idea who you are and won't be telling stories about your life a quarter of a century or more later.
@KaplyaNikotina
@KaplyaNikotina 2 жыл бұрын
@@elysiumsexsmith not 99,9 but 100 actually. Our friends and families wont make 0,1 percent
@abdulmajeedahm644
@abdulmajeedahm644 2 жыл бұрын
@@elysiumsexsmith Honestly I'd take the mundane existence over all the shit Manson and Reznor have done and gone through
@damo9961
@damo9961 2 жыл бұрын
@@elysiumsexsmith Being famous is not something sane mature people strive to be. Famous people get paid for the terrible existence that is 'being famous'.
@elysiumsexsmith
@elysiumsexsmith 2 жыл бұрын
@@damo9961It's not about being famous, fame is merely a byproduct of people paying attention to what you're doing. And if what you're doing is interesting or successful enough, people will pay attention. And whilst there are countless vapid people who want nothing more than attention for the sake of attention, there are plenty of others who just want to do more with their lives than work, buy a house, have a family and then die. They want to leave a mark on the world rather than come and go like a whisper in the wind. And we tend to be a hell of a lot more interesting than people like yourself, which fuels attention which fuels success which ultimately leads to fame or notoriety. I don't expect people like yourself to understand the mentality behind it because whatever it is that lights the fire under some people's arses and drives them towards fame and success is completely and utterly lacking in people like yourself. But its not crazy or immature to write a life story worth telling and retelling long after your dead.
@samorozco2002
@samorozco2002 2 жыл бұрын
This friendship reminds me of my past. Having a friend that you did everything with, which is mostly getting into trouble, then you graduate from HS, and it's time to grow up, get a job ,be responsible, while your friend wants none of that. You just have to be away from this friend before he drags you down with him. Trent grew up, got married, had a great career without much of the drama. Manson also has had a great career, but he's also been in and out of trouble with the law, taken to court many times, lost his band, and now he's really in trouble due to all of these women claiming he did stuff to them.
@vgaportauthority9932
@vgaportauthority9932 2 жыл бұрын
First priority after HS is to get rid of as many deadbeat assholes you can and then move on. Either that, or join the deadbeat losers and assholes and live that life. I chose the latter. Probably not the right call. And by probably I mean definitely.
@Hugatree1
@Hugatree1 2 жыл бұрын
That is a great analogy.
@TheAmbientMage
@TheAmbientMage 2 жыл бұрын
Trent had so much drama though. He's been through the ringer.
@dr.floridamanphd
@dr.floridamanphd 2 жыл бұрын
Manson’s biggest problem is that he fell in to the same trap as Alice Cooper’s Vincent Furnier (AKA Alice Cooper). He got lost in the character he created and became a monster of his own making. The primary difference is that Vince made it out alive. It’s unlikely Manson will live to see the end of the decade. I’m honestly surprised he’s not dead already.
@jibicusmaximus4827
@jibicusmaximus4827 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheAmbientMage everyone suffers.. correct..
@Mike-cs1ft
@Mike-cs1ft 2 жыл бұрын
Also Trent as had a good acting career as Owen Wilson such a talented guy
@andydhillon1977
@andydhillon1977 2 жыл бұрын
Lol I noticed that similarity, too. Well, when Trent had his long face. Not his current round one. Lol
@theeobeastone5068
@theeobeastone5068 2 жыл бұрын
Wow
@Superman_305
@Superman_305 2 жыл бұрын
Trent Reznor looks like a hybrid between Owen Wilson and Tori Spelling
@kramalerav
@kramalerav 2 жыл бұрын
More like Luke Wilson actually.
@point-xn4tu
@point-xn4tu 2 жыл бұрын
I want to see Owen even try to be Trent, LOL
@blueearthquake
@blueearthquake 2 жыл бұрын
Trent is by FAR the better musician.
@davideberhardt6150
@davideberhardt6150 2 жыл бұрын
Trent is a musician, full stop. Manson is merely a performer, and not even a good one nowadays.
@chicitychina
@chicitychina 2 жыл бұрын
Trent is a musical genius. He is my favorite band to see live .I have seen NIN at least 20 times lol.
@getgle
@getgle Жыл бұрын
Of course, Trent is a one man band. He could release an album without anyone else's help. Marilyn's just a singer so he couldn't create a damn thing by himself
@jkerwin4317
@jkerwin4317 Жыл бұрын
Well, one of them is still actually making good music 🎶
@edmundkempersdartboard173
@edmundkempersdartboard173 Жыл бұрын
And the bigger coward.
@BasementPepperoni
@BasementPepperoni 2 жыл бұрын
I will never forget seeing Manson on that show "Talking Dead" on AMC like 8 or 10 years ago. It was the first time that I had seen him in almost 15 or 20 years. Dude gained a bunch of weight, which is understandable. Once you get into your 40's you tend to gain weight. But also how out of his mind on drugs he was. He wouldn't STFU and just kept going on and on and on and on, and you could tell everyone on the show was starting to get weirded out and uncomfortable. ANYWAYS, when I was watching some of the JD/AH trial, and JD was asked about taking drugs with Manson. He said "I gave Marylin a pill, because.......he wouldn't......stop talking." I couldn't stop laughing when I heard that, hahaha
@eviedevi.
@eviedevi. 2 жыл бұрын
he gained looooots of weight when he cut off drugs
@tkraid2575
@tkraid2575 Жыл бұрын
@@eviedevi. maybe it's the withdrawal symptoms.
@ph-fi7qo
@ph-fi7qo Жыл бұрын
@@eviedevi. although he actually didn't cut off drugs and also alcohol makes you gain weight.
@eviedevi.
@eviedevi. Жыл бұрын
@@ph-fi7qo he did he talked about it in an interview also talked about the people who had helped him quit i think he also went to rehab
@laurenb916
@laurenb916 Жыл бұрын
in the best shape of my life at 41.
@TheReal_Pim_Tool
@TheReal_Pim_Tool 2 жыл бұрын
TR: “We need to quit doing drugs.” MM: Ok, i quit doing drugs.” TR : “NERD!”
@deepcreep98
@deepcreep98 2 жыл бұрын
lmao
@toddpacker4683
@toddpacker4683 2 жыл бұрын
@Hil Flo did that happen? Is there proof rezner told him to stop abusing women. I think in all likelihood they we’re probably both creeps to women
@toddpacker4683
@toddpacker4683 2 жыл бұрын
@Hil Flo no I’m not denying that Manson is a creepy fuck who victimized women. I was asking if there’s proof that Trent knew and told him to stop
@scarlette_rot
@scarlette_rot 2 жыл бұрын
Wait, you honestly think Manson isn't still an alcoholic cokehead? That's laughable. Have you seen any MM interview from the last 15 years?
@point-xn4tu
@point-xn4tu 2 жыл бұрын
@@toddpacker4683 Grand accusations require grand evidence. And when you say "we’re probably both creeps to women", I have to ask: you and who else?
@ashlandstationmusic
@ashlandstationmusic 2 жыл бұрын
Hearing him describe Trent as a jock is funny
@arnulfololll
@arnulfololll 2 жыл бұрын
I mean, I can kinda see it..
@ashlandstationmusic
@ashlandstationmusic 2 жыл бұрын
@@arnulfololll yeah, now totally, but 1994 not so much.
@twistoffate4791
@twistoffate4791 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate Trent because he was in marching band!!
@afterthestorm221
@afterthestorm221 2 жыл бұрын
Hearing Trent played Judas is just as funny.
@yogijaya2897
@yogijaya2897 2 жыл бұрын
Im glad i saw nin in 89 B4 phm came out ...
@ABANDONEDBUFFALONY
@ABANDONEDBUFFALONY 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen NIN 7 Times and manson 2x and I can tell you the real talent here is reznor
@ViviPestilenz
@ViviPestilenz 2 жыл бұрын
See Skinny Puppy if you want to see talent.
@ABANDONEDBUFFALONY
@ABANDONEDBUFFALONY 2 жыл бұрын
@@ViviPestilenz I’ve seen them as well🤌🏻
@tomasford
@tomasford 2 жыл бұрын
My main takeaway: Trent Reznor was Judas in a high school production of Jesus Christ Superstar
@lynxlecher9547
@lynxlecher9547 2 жыл бұрын
I know, right?
@autumnsmith3585
@autumnsmith3585 2 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@coimbralaw
@coimbralaw 2 жыл бұрын
That’s your main takeaway?
@somnambulist83
@somnambulist83 Ай бұрын
at least *something* positive came out of an andrew lloyd webber musical
@tooldaniellateralus9298
@tooldaniellateralus9298 2 жыл бұрын
The 90s were fun... musically.
@bryanmckinney1098
@bryanmckinney1098 2 жыл бұрын
The very late 90's and early 2000's up until the boy band RnB trends blew over were a very dark time for Rock I feel. Especially when compared to the glory of the late 80's early 90's.
@KarklinPumpkin
@KarklinPumpkin 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly think the 90s was the peak of hard rock music. Production quality became great and the cheesey b.s. of the 80s was kinda switched out for realism. Not mythical lyrics like 70s heavy music, not girls and beer like 80s heavy music, but stress/mental health/suicide/pain.
@KarklinPumpkin
@KarklinPumpkin 2 жыл бұрын
@@bryanmckinney1098 Very dark indeed, but it relates to the fans a lot more than "girls and booze on Hollywood boulevard on my golden motorcycl" or "the dragon wizard comes to the dawn of the witch-king"
@danielnugent7046
@danielnugent7046 2 жыл бұрын
I was talking to someone about howthe 90s are so romanticized, but it's because of the art left behind by a bunch of kids who felt disenfranchised from the rest of the world. I saw Nirvana, the rest of the 90s sucked. All the fun we once got in trouble for, is completely acceptable. If you smoked pot in the 90s, you were a crackhead, these days it's pretty much encouraged.
@ShaneDanger42069
@ShaneDanger42069 2 жыл бұрын
@@KarklinPumpkin No
@TowManDave00
@TowManDave00 2 жыл бұрын
I saw Manson open for Nine Inch Nails in Toronto DEC.1, 1994... Feels like it was 1,000 years ago
@snapdragon6601
@snapdragon6601 2 жыл бұрын
I saw Manson open for NIN probably the same year & same tour except in Denver, Colorado. I had never heard of him before. You're right about feeling like 1,000 years ago.. Damn, I'm getting old. 😀
@MrProng999
@MrProng999 Жыл бұрын
Lol, I saw that concert in Vancouver
@RetroGameBasement
@RetroGameBasement 2 жыл бұрын
manson in the 90's was a religious experience, if i could go back in time, it would be to go to all those shows again.
@davidanderson1639
@davidanderson1639 2 жыл бұрын
I got to see Manson twice on the Dead to The World tour & it was incredible!!
@Rms317
@Rms317 2 жыл бұрын
Dead to the world tour is my favorite show I’ve ever seen, fantastic!
@davidanderson1639
@davidanderson1639 2 жыл бұрын
@@Rms317 There was something both terrifying & brilliant about that tour. I caught the Mechanical Animals tour in London & that was nearly as crazy. Everything after that has just gone downhill. If I’m honest, I’m not much of a Manson fan….way more into NIN.
@Sharkfighter13
@Sharkfighter13 2 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah! I actually met Manson in Houston in 1998.
@christophervincent77
@christophervincent77 2 жыл бұрын
I remember buying Portrait of an American Family shortly after it dropped in 93. I was flipping through CDs and bought it solely based on the cover having no prior exposure to Manson or the Spooky kids. That was such a great find...
@joesmith9216
@joesmith9216 Жыл бұрын
a good album indeed, even antichrist was not as good as their first.
@jasoncombs3232
@jasoncombs3232 2 жыл бұрын
Oh the 90's. Best decade of my life.
@justincoleman3805
@justincoleman3805 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, the 90’s we look back fondly on was than a decade.
@autumnsmith3585
@autumnsmith3585 2 жыл бұрын
It was be Best, grittiest, most raw decade of Freedom Ever.
@robashton8606
@robashton8606 2 жыл бұрын
I know, right? It seems like some kind of Golden Age now. Fantastic music. No social media pressure, no cancel culture, people could have different opinions and still be friends, people going to gigs to _enjoy the bands_ instead of trying to capture everything on their phones for their instagram. I feel bad for young people nowadays. If there really _is_ an afterlife, a "heaven" or whatever, it will be summer in the early 90s for me.
@janespivey8315
@janespivey8315 2 жыл бұрын
The 90's are already over!? WTH!? Where did the time go...
@robashton8606
@robashton8606 2 жыл бұрын
@@janespivey8315 Oh crap! Quick nurse, the valium! We've got ourselves a nineties castaway here and she's gonna need sedating - heavily - before 2021 makes her mind explode! It's going to be okay, sis! Just take deep breaths and think of Eddie Vedder. For Christ's sake, someone put Badmotorfinger on the stereo, or she'll start going into shock!
@TheIndustrialRetrospective
@TheIndustrialRetrospective 2 жыл бұрын
By bringing the Industrial sound to the mainstream, Trent has completely revolutionized how popular music is written and consumed. Trent has also changed how films are scored as well. Someday TROZ will be remembered alongside the likes of Elvis and Michael Jackson.
@joesmith9216
@joesmith9216 Жыл бұрын
his music was never industrial, It was alternative. Industrial is mostly noise.
@snorpenbass4196
@snorpenbass4196 Жыл бұрын
@@joesmith9216 Hey now! It depends on the band. 😛 Einstuerzende Neubaten is a very different style of industrial (arthouse) from MLWTTKK or KMFDM (fun mosh pit dance-inspired).
@joesmith9216
@joesmith9216 Жыл бұрын
@@snorpenbass4196 ''industrial'' is old throbbing gristle, SPK and whitehouse, those types of bands, NIN was like electronic dark pop music, at first , then with BROKEN he went full on metal, which was so cool.
@monsterguyx6322
@monsterguyx6322 2 жыл бұрын
I've always been a fan of both guys & their bands. But to be real, I get the feeling that friendship with Marilyn involves too much insanity for anyone to sustain.
@Arterius_omm
@Arterius_omm 2 жыл бұрын
i'm a fan of manson but he seems to beef with everyone in his life. at this point you have to wonder if he feels like he has to do it in order to keep making headlines.
@orphanoforbit7588
@orphanoforbit7588 2 жыл бұрын
@@Arterius_omm no, I don't think that's it at all.
@Arterius_omm
@Arterius_omm 2 жыл бұрын
@@orphanoforbit7588 what do you think it is?
@wendynerd1199
@wendynerd1199 2 жыл бұрын
Hence why he goes through band members and friends like popcorn.
@nathanielbables8652
@nathanielbables8652 Жыл бұрын
Well, see how his new marriage pans out. He's obviously met crazier people than him.
@MedalionDS9
@MedalionDS9 2 жыл бұрын
It's like two kids who met in Middle school who have on and off again relationships and miss each other but have to pretend they didn't care, but really do
@hollyroxy25
@hollyroxy25 2 жыл бұрын
Trent Reznor is the reason why “Antichrist superstar” is such an amazing album & imo Manson’s best album.
@wulrichjr
@wulrichjr Жыл бұрын
Yeah that's my 2nd favorite, but for some reason I was always partial to Mechanical Animals. Just a really cool atmospheric vibe to it
@joeblack2800
@joeblack2800 9 ай бұрын
All due respect to Reznor but NIN hasn't ad a good song in 20+ years. To this day Manson is cranking out some incredible albums. NIN only ever had about four good albums in the 90s.. Manson's career and body of work far exceeds Reznors short lived success. And don't even bring up the garbage he does now with Atticus Ross for movie soundtracks.. Background noise..
@rickstalentedtongue910
@rickstalentedtongue910 2 ай бұрын
Didn't know he had a good album. I'll be damned.
@blacksunshine7485
@blacksunshine7485 2 жыл бұрын
Manson going back to being semi industrial lite is just what he needs right now. Or what I need. I did like his last album and LOVED Pale Emperor.
@shunt5001
@shunt5001 2 жыл бұрын
"The Fragile" was BRILLIANT
@Ween1776
@Ween1776 2 жыл бұрын
I don't care what anyone says about Trents music recently, even tho it's better then people give him credit for. NIN was the music in the my teenage angst years when I was fighting with my mom, girlfriends, school going bad etc that I could put on headphones to and escape all that rubbish. There were times when I was heavily into drugs and seriously contemplated offing myself in those years and NIN was something I could listen to to calm down and get emotions out. It'd hard to explain, I'm making it sound like I was a diva but I wasn't. If I met Trent in person I would thank him, bc he literally helped save a teenagers life in the late 90s early 00's. Some of the songs on the Fragile and Downward spiral should be in the Louvre, perfection in art. NIN also helped me kick those dame drugs. Listening to lyrics about someone going through and feeling exactly what I was. So thank you Kevin for getting me my first NIN cd and taking me to my first NIN concert. RIP good friend. I miss you
@TheChillMelodist
@TheChillMelodist 2 жыл бұрын
NIN represented the feelings and emotions of a generation of disilluntioned teenagers during the 90s.
@Ween1776
@Ween1776 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheChillMelodist they certainly did. My first NIN show there were so many different groups of people. I didn't expect that. There were the goths and metal guys sure, but there were also guys like me who were athletic and played sports, not so much jocks but I definitely didn't expect that
@unperson5713
@unperson5713 2 жыл бұрын
I am curious to know of these "unethical procedures that were used to get information from Manson." Late 94, a friend of mine did a radio station sponsored gig in NYC, the DJ host of the gig threw cassette singles into the audience, I caught one. It was a couple songs from an unknown artist named Marilyn Manson and the album Portrait of an American Family. I was addicted, I needed more. That recording is peerless. It took me a couple months to find the full album, by then the cassingle was was nearly worn out. Manson, back in the 90s, was actually better live than in the studio. You had to be there, his concerts were pandemonium. Pretty Hate Machine and Downward Spiral are symbols of artistic perfection to which other practitioners may aspire.
@casucasueq4479
@casucasueq4479 2 жыл бұрын
Words. :( Music. :)
@brianpinion5844
@brianpinion5844 2 жыл бұрын
brought him to me in , way up holler in east ky . yea he made some piggy noises
@taffysaur
@taffysaur 2 жыл бұрын
The “unethical practises” refer to plying him with alcohol and cocaine to loosen him up for the interview.
@maxclifford937
@maxclifford937 2 жыл бұрын
@@taffysaur I doubt they had t o ply him, more like just show him the bag and say "want some"
@BuddyLee23
@BuddyLee23 2 жыл бұрын
The comments could also have been made secretly, or at least ‘off-the-record’. If Manson didn’t know he was telling someone something for their article, I could see the editor(s) get uncomfortable with it.
@davidferrick
@davidferrick 2 жыл бұрын
As a die hard NIN fan and early on Manson fan knowing a lot of the drama between then and watching it unfold I was very hesitant to give this a watch but you did a good job.
@MisterMcKnight
@MisterMcKnight 2 жыл бұрын
you see trents influence all over antichrist superstar, it's a shame because the two really made magic together, that album is iconic af
@snorpenbass4196
@snorpenbass4196 29 күн бұрын
I think that's the reason they split, though. Manson couldn't cut it without Reznor, so he resented him, and combined with drugs removing inhibitions, well...
@rottnfren
@rottnfren 2 жыл бұрын
I love Trent Reznor. He's a genius.
@datsunlambchops4624
@datsunlambchops4624 2 жыл бұрын
@Russian Bot best reply award!! Nice!
@starkillerclub3755
@starkillerclub3755 2 жыл бұрын
I got to see NIN/Manson in Philly, Downward Spiral/Portrait of an American Family tour, with the Jim Rose Circus in between sets, yeah the 90's, good times!
@MichaelKerr71
@MichaelKerr71 2 жыл бұрын
Been there for that tour also, but in Tulsa. Good times.
@ShannonHumphreys
@ShannonHumphreys 2 жыл бұрын
I saw that same tour in Pittsburgh. Great show!
@mimseydemon1844
@mimseydemon1844 2 жыл бұрын
Saw that tour in Montreal, thankfully instead of Manson it was Pop Will Eat Itself. Saw Manson separately on Antichrist Superstar tour. Opening act was (boring as fuck) Powerman 5000 and Manson started 45 mins late.
@matthewjames206
@matthewjames206 2 жыл бұрын
I saw that tour in Sacramento 🍻
@Crazy8ts
@Crazy8ts 2 жыл бұрын
Saw that in Boston Garden....jim rise circuis was wild....lighting strips of firecrackers taped to his body and slipping through a tennis racket from head to toe
@kristenshearer3976
@kristenshearer3976 2 жыл бұрын
Met Trent thru a friend he actually taught him how to play and the guy is a genius. Trent was pretty popular with closer being a super popular song, he was somewhere close to my hometown for a concert came to my friends and played music the night before his show. The man is amazingly talented
@considerthis410
@considerthis410 2 жыл бұрын
Trent is sober and grew up.
@nelliesilvers1210
@nelliesilvers1210 2 жыл бұрын
Reznor's and Manson's song 'Gave Up' (filmed in The Tate Murder house) will always be one of my most favourite songs. An awesome compilation. Out of the two, I've always much preferred Trent/NIN but both are masters of the craft in their own right and Manson's done some epic work. His covers are extremely well done as he put his own spin on them but kept the respect for the originals there. Edit- Thank fuck Trent broke up with and left Courtney and got off the smack otherwise another great star could've fallen hard and faded too soon. Everyone warned him to run...to not end up a drug fucked, ruined, hard-ridden mess like Cobain. Starfuckers Inc is definitely a middle finger to Love out of retaliation. Not only is it obvious but it's been admitted.
@ajx117
@ajx117 2 жыл бұрын
Terrible
@nelliesilvers1210
@nelliesilvers1210 2 жыл бұрын
@@ajx117 If you meant my comment...thanks. You thought enough of it to leave a comment🤷🏻‍♀️
@dr.floridamanphd
@dr.floridamanphd 2 жыл бұрын
What do you mean like Cobain? Kurt was in the process of getting sober and even hired a divorce attorney. He knew Nirvana was over and was planning his future when he was killed.
@scifydi6446
@scifydi6446 2 жыл бұрын
I agree fully with you. I’ve always liked both but was more partial to NIN. I think Manson does the best remixes though. I love You’re So Vain and You Spin Me Right Round. Courtney is a gross nut job I don’t know why or how anybody would want her. I’m embarrassed to admit I used to like Hole.
@Ween1776
@Ween1776 2 жыл бұрын
@@scifydi6446 nothing wrong with liking Hole. That had some pretty good songs back in the day, Courtney's always been a tool though
@phoenixofthewolf
@phoenixofthewolf 2 жыл бұрын
That was so fascinating! I've only just gotten back into rock in the past couple of years, and really enjoy these longer videos about artosts from back in my day before music was sensored in my house. Thanks!
@tylersmith9868
@tylersmith9868 2 жыл бұрын
Gotten back into rock? What
@sampsakeranen7069
@sampsakeranen7069 2 жыл бұрын
@@tylersmith9868 how do you leave rock
@philippequintard2378
@philippequintard2378 2 жыл бұрын
Welcome back!
@mistermyself1725
@mistermyself1725 2 жыл бұрын
Censored in your house ?? Care enough to elaborate, please ?
@phoenixofthewolf
@phoenixofthewolf 2 жыл бұрын
@@mistermyself1725 I grew up in the 90's, and in a Christian household. My dad loved rock, but my mother was swept up in the after shocks of satanic panic and everything we liked, that wasn't obviously churchy, was picked apart. Rock music was not allowed. Even Christian rock music was scrutinized. Skillet back then was softer, but off limits in the house. The short answer is she broke our spirits because we had to please someone who was only interested in godliness and not us as kids. Even my grades were looked over if I gave the appearance of holiness. It was exhausting.
@cjb2749
@cjb2749 2 жыл бұрын
Trent Reznor is a musical genius. I would be taking any and all of his suggestions for my music without argument, and just say thank you. He was 100% right about 'I put a spell on you'. Luckily for Manson, 'Sweet dreams' is also excellent. Not AS good, but close enough.
@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns
@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns 2 жыл бұрын
I would take any and all of his suggestions for music before about 2006 or 2007.
@nasticanasta
@nasticanasta 2 жыл бұрын
Lol he was absolutely the worst, saw him open for Bowie….Bowie made fun of him
@Ween1776
@Ween1776 2 жыл бұрын
@@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns he has alot of good songs after 2006-07, just not as many. He wanted to try different things and not just keep doing the same thing over and over. I can respect that
@solearesoul
@solearesoul 2 жыл бұрын
@@nasticanasta who are you saying is the worst? Manson or Reznor?
@bryandaves1005
@bryandaves1005 2 жыл бұрын
@@nasticanasta wtf are you talking about? Bowie and Reznor shared the stage regularly on that tour and Bowie counted Reznor as a true friend and exceptional musician and producer. Bowie hand picked NIN to open on that tour because he loved the music
@davidwallin5734
@davidwallin5734 2 жыл бұрын
Just take a look at how everyone seemingly loves Trent Reznor--even Marilyn Manson. Then look at Marilyn Manson's personal history...I think that sums up the entire feud.
@catherinebk5417
@catherinebk5417 2 жыл бұрын
mansons history is hard to debate because he is always acting when under the role of marilyn manson. if you dig deeper, he is actually a sweetheart. his girlfriend missi romero who dated him from the spooky kids to antichrist superstar said that he is a sweetheart. his ex fiancee rose mcgowan wrote in her 2015 book that manson was the polar opposite of his persona. he was romantic, nerdy, quiet, shy and together they liked lying in bed watching movies and cuddling at the back of the tour bus while the others went partying. they were together from 97' to 2001. its rlly a tough case but underneath, in his personal life he seems super quiet. even the women accusing him now praised him in the media for years after the so called abuse, plus evan rachel wood had said in 2010 that he is very vanilla in sex. she now claims hes a monster who tied her up and beat her up... but i dont know seems like bs.
@G.L.O.S.S.
@G.L.O.S.S. 2 жыл бұрын
He's a good man now, but he was worse than Manson during the 90's.
@AmeriMutt76
@AmeriMutt76 Жыл бұрын
@@catherinebk5417 yeah, I think "a sweetheart" is exactly not how Rachel Evan Woods describes Manson..
@Snarl616
@Snarl616 Жыл бұрын
Asking to his ex girlfriends how is Manson... yeah, that will give you an unbiased answer.
@Snarl616
@Snarl616 Жыл бұрын
@@AmeriMutt76 Common friends, people growing with him etc. I also find it funny that on one side everybody said he was shy, vanilla in bed etc, other people say he's a rapist, if not the same just some years after.
@metalinl-a1128
@metalinl-a1128 2 жыл бұрын
Fun Facts: Trent Reznor gets inducted into the Rock N Roll Hall Of Fame for 35 + years of groundbreaking work.
@Ween1776
@Ween1776 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love Trent's acceptance speech into the rock n roll hall of fame. It's perfecf
@ViviPestilenz
@ViviPestilenz 2 жыл бұрын
it wasn't groundbreaking. Look up Skinny Puppy.
@dustinprewitt
@dustinprewitt 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: the rock and roll hall of fame is as irrelevant as the grammys
@Christian-97
@Christian-97 2 жыл бұрын
@@dustinprewitt I agree. Still want King Crimson and Gorillaz to get in, though...
@mistertagomago7974
@mistertagomago7974 2 жыл бұрын
@@ViviPestilenz Skinny Puppy is vastly superior to Nine Inch Nails
@BrianHughWarner_
@BrianHughWarner_ 2 жыл бұрын
Was waiting a video like this🖤
@cormacthem8406
@cormacthem8406 2 жыл бұрын
Manson never left nothing records, he stayed on the label until it’s disintegration in the late 2000’s. He was then directly with the parent company Interscope until he left (or was dropped by record head Jimmy Iovine depending on who you believe)
@gatovolador7618
@gatovolador7618 Жыл бұрын
I remember hearing pretty hate machine my junior year of HS and feeling it was both completely relatable and cutting edge, unique compared to the status quo at the time, thinking this guy trent has the potential to become huge if his subsequent releases maintain this level of intensity and innovative sounds. Manson just seemed really schticky and only a few songs really struck a chord with me or ever got much replay in my musical diet.
@clockworkcookie
@clockworkcookie 2 жыл бұрын
Damn, both MM and NIN were fire back in the day. We have lots of good bands today but nothing that captures that spirit of rebellion, anger and mayhem like they did. I miss those days.
@70s_GenLover
@70s_GenLover Жыл бұрын
"lots" HA! maybe like 2 max
@mitchelvalentino1569
@mitchelvalentino1569 2 жыл бұрын
“Arch Deluxe” 🍔😂
@julianjv7325
@julianjv7325 2 жыл бұрын
The first time I heard Marylin Manson was almost by accident, me and a friend when we were fourteen we were playing basketball in a park when we both saw the Mechanical Animals album on the floor, so we both took turns each one week the album to listen to in our houses, it was one of the best times of my life in the 90s.
@WhatTheFrack
@WhatTheFrack 2 жыл бұрын
This feud was just what the 90s needed. Great video!
@dirt0133
@dirt0133 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'm from Trent Reznors small town. :) My cousin and he were/are close friends...
@rnrtruestories
@rnrtruestories 2 жыл бұрын
Here's the marilyn manson courtney love tour story kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nuCHaJSr0syUdI0.html
@robert.m4676
@robert.m4676 2 жыл бұрын
Wow that was in depth and filled in a ton I had no idea about. Another extremely well put together mini-documentary on two wild musicians. I thoughtManson had a couple good songs but was just way too out there for my taste. Trent on the other hand has a much more genuine way about him. But I didn’t realize the amount these two were involved in together. I think I would have gotten away from Manson too!
@whoknowswhocares885
@whoknowswhocares885 2 жыл бұрын
Here is a summery of that situation. Basically a junkie and a lunatic went on tour, got pissed at each other because the lunatic was honest about being crazy. And the junkie started acting like a super star and posh. Acting like she was never in the same boat as the lunatic and treated his posse like they were below her. But in reality she was in denial that she was just as messed up as the lunatic and she used her star persona to deny she was ever crazy.
@egregiousqueef7781
@egregiousqueef7781 2 жыл бұрын
His grandfather had a *NIN* shirt on. That... was awesome.
@egregiousqueef7781
@egregiousqueef7781 2 жыл бұрын
" ... from the time he was a _wee boy_ . He was so gifted." - Grandpa Reznor
@egregiousqueef7781
@egregiousqueef7781 2 жыл бұрын
PS - I read _Long Hard Road Out of Hell_ ~2 years before the dawn of _MeToo_ ultimately resulting in Manson's current circumstances. Having read the book I was not shocked at all (sorry, Manson)... [edit] _shocked_ aboutt the fact he's under investigation
@ilznidiotic
@ilznidiotic 2 жыл бұрын
I lived in New Orleans at the same time as Reznor in 2003-4, and we hung out at the same bars (well, bar). He was not sober at that time. I never saw him doing drugs (though that bar had a reputation), or getting out of control, but he was definitely still drinking.
@SuperBroncosguy
@SuperBroncosguy 2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes being "sober" means getting away from 'take away drugs'. Maybe he had a coke problem??
@chrismccormick9959
@chrismccormick9959 2 жыл бұрын
He definitely wasn’t sober in 2001, that fact is wrong
@ChasetheLights13
@ChasetheLights13 2 жыл бұрын
No one likes a snitch.
@dickslaughter2
@dickslaughter2 2 жыл бұрын
Ye man I was friends with trent too we used to drink and smoke cigarettes together. Nothing harder. I also used to shoot up with kurt Cobain
@hwoods-kg1jf
@hwoods-kg1jf 2 жыл бұрын
@@dickslaughter2 i'm so sure all of this is true lmfao and my father is John Travolta lmfao get outta here!
@robforrest2069
@robforrest2069 2 жыл бұрын
8:31 I was at that concert at MSG. And let me tell you, when Manson walked out on stage and joined in on Starfuckers, Inc...the crowd went ballistic!! It was deafening!!! So damn cool to see!!
@sivad18
@sivad18 Жыл бұрын
APC opening for that show was just the icing on the cake. What an amazing show.
@Sindollx666x
@Sindollx666x 2 жыл бұрын
They always seem to leave out in the Nine Inch Nails music video for "Gave Up" filmed in the Tate-Labianca murder house, that at the time, Manson had not yet learned to play guitar, but Trent wanted him in the video, so Manson is PRETENDING to play guitar in that music video. I always loved that. When Closure/Halo 12, came out I was so obsessed with it I often had one of the two vhs tapes playing in the background no matter what I was doing in my room/ home. Whenever Gave Up video game on not only did it give me goosebumps but I had to tell anyone who didn't know that Manson factoid, as well as the notorious location (which Trent eventually felt guilty about having/using after Sharon Tate's sister asked him if he was using the house to exploit her sisters death, and had the original home demolished. All except the front door which he kept and had at Nothing records.) I was always entranced by that video, between Sexy Trent and Sexy young Manson with eyebrows and long hair...good gods my first love looked like their lovechild. I swooned every time it came on.
@a.q.5775
@a.q.5775 2 жыл бұрын
I always kept away from MM, was more into NIN and my best friend dug M, we kinda played that into our own lives (rip Transhumanguttersteeze) and we grew up waaaay after peak either band/artist. I’m not too big on either anymore, prolly listen to Manson more, but I love learning all these things about them both especially what you mentioned about “Gave Up.” Had no idea that was at El Cielo. Weird mix of chilling and rad to know that. We do need dangerous music again, I love trap but it’s so clean and over saturated it doesn’t feel like it’s looks or it’s lyrics at all.
@ViviPestilenz
@ViviPestilenz 2 жыл бұрын
It's a music video, they usually pretend everything in a music video.
@JustaGirlinCleveland
@JustaGirlinCleveland 2 жыл бұрын
@@ViviPestilenz Naw, they dont usually have an artist faking that he can play.
@tcswag801
@tcswag801 2 жыл бұрын
Portrait of an American family was an underrated album
@brianmclendon1647
@brianmclendon1647 2 жыл бұрын
Loved this episode and I love Manson & Reznor’s music
@yuothineyesasian
@yuothineyesasian 2 жыл бұрын
"Unique and pertinent like do an exact cover or replica..." That's what Down In It is, Trent.
@ledhendrix5054
@ledhendrix5054 2 жыл бұрын
Trent is unbelievably talented , his song Hurt saved me
@8301TheJMan
@8301TheJMan 2 жыл бұрын
Especially the acoustic, (piano) version on youtube. I stumbled across it not that long ago and it was so fucking haunting a couldn't help but ball my eyes out. After years of opiate addiction, i have always forged a deep connection with any songs about addiction, and that one is a perfect example of it. If you really loved him, you should check out Mr Meeble, they/he was a one-album wonder from like 13 years back, there are specifically a couple of songs on that album that you have to at least check out, they are easily two of the greatest songs about drug addiction ive eve heard, and very similar sounding to NIN's "Hurt." The songs are "100 Pills" and "Ton of Bricks, (the former being one of my favorite songs of all time - period, with the latter being much more similar to NIN than the other). It's a real shame they didn't make more music because they had a lot of talent/promise, and a number of great songs on that.
@Rob.DB.
@Rob.DB. 2 жыл бұрын
You mean they're version of Johnny Cash's song,"Hurt" saved you. I am glad you are better off for hearing NIN's cover. Many people make many covers, but all should acknowledge their original composer's & at least listen to the entire song , at least just once, to hear "WHY" they decided to cover it. I am a big fan of covers & appreciate how each is done. Johnny Cash was a bad-azz!!!
@Rob.DB.
@Rob.DB. 2 жыл бұрын
-JOHNNY CASH- !!!
@ledhendrix5054
@ledhendrix5054 2 жыл бұрын
@@Rob.DB. what , Trent Wrote the fuckin song J Cash covered it. Jeez
@RockyHoarderPictureShows
@RockyHoarderPictureShows 2 жыл бұрын
@@ledhendrix5054 Lol yeah.
@usernotfound904
@usernotfound904 2 жыл бұрын
“Unethical procedures used to get information from Manson” I.e. gave him some fire dope 💉 💥
@jennyprorock
@jennyprorock 2 жыл бұрын
Seen them open for NIN in 94. Loved that first album. After that they started to suck. But the summer of 94..that album was magical for my first year on my own as a kid. What I'd give to relive 1994 again..
@MrProng999
@MrProng999 Жыл бұрын
Sounds similar to my experience
@mrreef2450
@mrreef2450 2 жыл бұрын
What a crazy story also well done on it to the channels creator and anyone who helps him
@DeathMetalRob
@DeathMetalRob 2 жыл бұрын
It's amazing what happened to both these guys, trent is a family man with oscars, his health and still musically relevant. manson is completely destroyed and commercially a non factor. who would have thought?
@eringursky3503
@eringursky3503 2 жыл бұрын
Yep. Can't believe the awful things he has done. It gets more twisted and creepy. Sick. When Evan Rachel Wood first said something I didnt believe it. Then all these other women came out. Then I just read some sick stuff he said about her son. I won't type it. I take someone like Al Jorgensen anyway.I liked Trent more back in the day.
@kaydgaming
@kaydgaming 2 жыл бұрын
From Head Like a Hole to Old Town Road
@rael2099
@rael2099 2 жыл бұрын
Nah, Reznor keeps pumping out records, but they have been mediocre at best. Sure, sober, married, and mature, but just as dead as the suburban town he grew up in.
@KaplyaNikotina
@KaplyaNikotina 2 жыл бұрын
@@eringursky3503 You are so funny girl
@codytheprick8554
@codytheprick8554 2 жыл бұрын
@@eringursky3503 Yeah although I agree manson Is fucking weird, smart and potentially a good groomer.. evan Rachel wood was an amazing fucked up child actress.. just watch thirteen and you can already tell she was 'gone' before manson got in contact with her. I believe he has done messed up things but let's not neglect to mention how the "me too" "movement" and "black lives matter" "movement" "antifa" "movement" all are excuses to mess up actual real civil rights problems by thwarting it in whoever the person decides is a victim
@roymartin500
@roymartin500 2 жыл бұрын
I just gained a lot of respect for Trent Reznor
@jaymesnin
@jaymesnin 2 жыл бұрын
He just helped produce Halsey's new record too. Which I think is pretty cool.
@rhcpdragon746
@rhcpdragon746 2 жыл бұрын
@@jaymesnin fuck Halsey but that’s pretty cool
@kaydgaming
@kaydgaming 2 жыл бұрын
@@rhcpdragon746 she is kinda mean
@rhcpdragon746
@rhcpdragon746 2 жыл бұрын
@@kaydgaming yea and dumb
@evonnastrange1242
@evonnastrange1242 2 жыл бұрын
@@kaydgaming What makes her mean?
@tracyfrederick5606
@tracyfrederick5606 2 жыл бұрын
Damn I miss that time 😭
@PhillipKnoll
@PhillipKnoll 2 жыл бұрын
great job on this, so well done!
@roxythefoxsayfurismurderan3187
@roxythefoxsayfurismurderan3187 2 жыл бұрын
Witnessed Trent hanging out in the corner of the VIP section at the House of Blues in New Orleans back when they were recording ACS there. It was a 4AD gig with Mojave 3 and Lush that I’d been fortunate enough to get tickets for but it was so crowded that I managed to get seats up in the VIP section because the staff didn’t think a group who had reservations was going to show up. After Mojave 3 finished, out of the corner of my eye, I spotted MM and TR coming over to sit down. After the show, Lush came up and we all hung out even though Trent preferred hanging out in the corner, chatting with the bartender. I remember several girls hanging off members of MM but it didn’t get crazy and everyone was quite friendly, especially Brian.
@hazyhalfmoon
@hazyhalfmoon 2 жыл бұрын
Man i don’t blame Trent sitting in the corner, he probably felt people like you staring at him the whole time
@buzzardbeatniks
@buzzardbeatniks 2 жыл бұрын
@@hazyhalfmoon I was hanging around those guys and was friendly with MM and TRs girlfriends back then, Trent really was aloof, but most of those guys ate it up - Once I was out with the Manson crew and Manson spotted a hefty, kinda outcasty goth girl sitting at the end of the bar nervously staring at him, she was covering a part of her arm with her hand and Manson said "Hey that girl over there has a tattoo of me on her arm she's trying to hide, I'm gonna go talk to her before we leave" He deliberately waited till we were all outside so that she wouldn't feel embarrassed and he went over and introduced himself and asked to see the tattoo he told her he thought it was cool and thanked her for her support. He seemed really cool back then sometimes.
@arribaficationwineho32
@arribaficationwineho32 2 жыл бұрын
Trent had a house in the Garden District. A friend lived next door.
@maninahole
@maninahole 2 жыл бұрын
I met them both back in the 70's. Mansion was working in a McDonald's drive thru and trent was working as a line man for the county. Lovely guys.
@enabler2456
@enabler2456 2 жыл бұрын
Trent Reznor is a human being, Marilyn Manson is a character that never stopped being played...
@TheSaintedOne
@TheSaintedOne 2 жыл бұрын
Trent, I (and I'm sure many others) would pay hard earned cash for a high quality re-release of "Portrait...", "Smells like Children", And "Antichrist Superstar".
@shavedape6679
@shavedape6679 Жыл бұрын
Great content. Thanks for the story.
@AaronWrotkowski
@AaronWrotkowski 2 жыл бұрын
Arch Deluxe was a quality insult
@deansley174
@deansley174 2 жыл бұрын
🤣👍
@youthfulcurmudgeon3627
@youthfulcurmudgeon3627 2 жыл бұрын
I heard it was because they worked together in the recording studio (or at least attempted to), but MM was more interested in doing drugs and fooling around with hookers and wasn't really interested in getting anything done. Trent Reznor has said he was extremely unprofessional in his approach to the music business.
@PapaRikkiBalls
@PapaRikkiBalls 2 жыл бұрын
In Manson's bio he said the second album they made together was the hardest because everyone including Trent was on drugs so they couldn't get anything done, there was a incident where Trent decided to set a mixing board on fire and MMs bassist decided to roast marshmallows on it. It was Manson who decided to get clean so he could finish the album.
@mariogallego5513
@mariogallego5513 2 жыл бұрын
@@PapaRikkiBalls exaaaactly bro. I love Trent but he's so pretentious that he forgets those times.
@r.edward5701
@r.edward5701 2 жыл бұрын
@@mariogallego5513 hypocrisy
@billybats4745
@billybats4745 2 жыл бұрын
Mario Gallego Trent is and always has been a poser
@youthfulcurmudgeon3627
@youthfulcurmudgeon3627 2 жыл бұрын
@@billybats4745 And what does that make MM? "For Real" LOL?
@azulgarrett6305
@azulgarrett6305 2 жыл бұрын
The 1st time I saw NIN was at a bar in Dallas late 80s Pretty Hate Machine tour. A few years later Nirvana played across the street at Trees. Those were the days, Deep Ellum was Awesome!
@jasonrossrealty
@jasonrossrealty 2 жыл бұрын
That was really fun to watch and learn about.
@ura3254
@ura3254 2 жыл бұрын
As a NIN guy, Manson is still my guilty pleasure.
@TheStrayHALOMAN
@TheStrayHALOMAN Ай бұрын
Same, I like him more than Trent for political reasons since he leans right but Trent is a musician and singer. Manson is a great performer and speaker in interviews but his voice is way too nasally to sing lol.
@Chrillin___
@Chrillin___ Ай бұрын
@@TheStrayHALOMANfunny how Manson, the right winger that appeals to you, is also objectively a terrible person
@TheStrayHALOMAN
@TheStrayHALOMAN Ай бұрын
@@Chrillin___ Well how so, tell me about it?
@Chrillin___
@Chrillin___ Ай бұрын
@@TheStrayHALOMAN The various criminal trials and abuse allegations as well as his narcissistic personality not uncommon of a right winger
@TheStrayHALOMAN
@TheStrayHALOMAN Ай бұрын
​@@Chrillin___ I disagree whole heartedly, narcissism is universal no matter what side you're on it's not uncommon for either side. And as far as allegations go there have been alot of women in the past few years making false claims against alot of talented men so they can take their money. Women like Amber Heard, Evan Rachel Wood, Courtney Love, and Stormy Daniels. They lied or had to settle out of court... I'll take Alice Cooper's word about Manson and my own critical thinking with how alot of these gold diggers are coming after men.
@Ryo7_7
@Ryo7_7 2 жыл бұрын
Always been a Reznor and Nin fan. 🤘🏾
@project_Akira
@project_Akira 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information. I have and still am a big fan of Manson And Reznor since I was a young teenager. I will be 40 this year.
@katelamb4073
@katelamb4073 2 жыл бұрын
How come I had no idea about this….🤔🤔 I love both these singers/bands. 🙌🏻🙌🏻💯 Very informative. At the end of the day, they are two different sounding bands yet, still have similarities that would complement one another. They both are still kick’n ass.🙌🏻💯💯⛓💕
@MSHNKTRL
@MSHNKTRL 2 жыл бұрын
8:37 I was there, it was like everybody breathed a sigh of relief before screaming their heads off-- A Perfect Circle opened the show,!
@durdenxero1296
@durdenxero1296 2 жыл бұрын
Guest appearance by Matt Pinfield with some hair.
@teshayazzie3095
@teshayazzie3095 2 жыл бұрын
Ahhh this era of music will always hold a special place in my heart. Nin tool mansion all the sounds of my childhood. Anybody remember nin snuff films! 😱
@faulkal1812
@faulkal1812 2 жыл бұрын
I was at that concert in 2000. I remember It Vividly. It was amazing
@care4557
@care4557 2 жыл бұрын
They both are amazingly talent singers.
@randalstilskin5266
@randalstilskin5266 2 жыл бұрын
Reznor has real talent and did some great electronic rock albums Manson always was just a gimmick even his music, I mean hes alright but Trent is tiers above him.
@ScottShedd123
@ScottShedd123 Жыл бұрын
You are right total gimmick
@joeblack2800
@joeblack2800 9 ай бұрын
All due respect to Reznor but NIN hasn't ad a good song in 20+ years. To this day Manson is cranking out some incredible albums. NIN only ever had about four good albums in the 90s.. Manson's career and body of work far exceeds Reznors short lived success. And don't even bring up the garbage he does now with Atticus Ross for movie soundtracks.. Background noise..
@CPLWeeks
@CPLWeeks Ай бұрын
SO much trivia. Cool stuff!
@Count_Apollyon5
@Count_Apollyon5 3 ай бұрын
His work with Manson and His work on Pantera's TGST ! Goated
@kaydgaming
@kaydgaming 2 жыл бұрын
After that article, Trent went on to write a couple thousand songs over a LOOONG career.
@TheJepps1
@TheJepps1 2 жыл бұрын
For such "dangerous" guys, they both seem to have the personalities of teenage girls.
@Peem_pom
@Peem_pom 2 жыл бұрын
Why insult teenage girls tho
@TheJepps1
@TheJepps1 2 жыл бұрын
@@Peem_pom fair point
@JhonNye96
@JhonNye96 7 ай бұрын
What did Reznor do wrong?
@nharber9837
@nharber9837 24 күн бұрын
lol the whole thing was basically a messy girls fight over a simple misunderstanding in the bathroom at school. Smeared makeup, twisted ankles from heels and all.
@Named9000
@Named9000 2 жыл бұрын
I really like your channel you talk about both sides and don’t seem to only go for one side like rstone or loud wire
@counterfeitmistress7140
@counterfeitmistress7140 2 жыл бұрын
Let's put it this way, I've been a fan of Reznor for 25 years and he never spit in my mouth, making me sick as fuck for 2 weeks. Manson did. Fucking nasty. Who spits at their fans?
@XAnuritaX
@XAnuritaX 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my god
@zeezzuu6481
@zeezzuu6481 2 жыл бұрын
what a weird lie to make up, lmao
@Mel-qs8wx
@Mel-qs8wx 2 жыл бұрын
Damn, but you think that’s bad??… MANY Woman have abuse allegations towards him
@zeezzuu6481
@zeezzuu6481 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mel-qs8wx they're called allegations for a reason
@denimdan908
@denimdan908 2 жыл бұрын
I really loved NIN back in the 90s, but Trent has no room to call anyone a nerd after playing keyboard for that horrific 80s pop band Slam Bamboo.
@PizzaChet
@PizzaChet 2 жыл бұрын
No contest. Trent has a million times more creativity, class and maturity in his pinky.
@bink
@bink 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if he's such a great guy either from some of the (supposedly true) stories I've heard but he's infinitely more talented than Manson in my opinion, one of the greatest artists of our time. That said, I like both of them as artists, I just like Reznor way more.
@thrgg
@thrgg 2 жыл бұрын
The creativity part is subjective, but Trent was the one being immature when bad mouthing Manson while Manson took it in stride.
@michealrosen
@michealrosen 2 жыл бұрын
@@thrgg there's actually alot not covered in this video I remember seeing footage between 2000 and 2010 of Manson talking trash about Trent several times
@thrgg
@thrgg 2 жыл бұрын
@@michealrosen interesting
@floydsemlow8253
@floydsemlow8253 Жыл бұрын
I had the opportunity to meet Trent reznor in Coventry Cleveland heights Ohio back in the early '90s when it was a huge punk scene then🤦"alots changed" but He was very cool. just hung out and chilled like anyone else did then .This is probably 89'/90' ❤️💯
@shazzye5920
@shazzye5920 2 жыл бұрын
Gave Up is probably one of my favorite NIN tracks…the energy is just nuts, drummerJeff Porcaro is unbelievable.
@willking1868
@willking1868 2 жыл бұрын
On youtube "Manson Family Album" has been posted in its entirety. It was a finished album before Manson decided he didn't like it and wanted it re-produced. The album that Trent was asked to re-produce and became "Portrait of an American Family". Manson and the Spooky Kids recorded the entire album before Trent heard it. Its almost exactly the same. Trent didn't like the drumming (rightfully so) and they re-recorded it with a drum machine and raised Manson's vocals up in the mix. I think Trent's production is better but he fundamentally changed absolute nothing about the songs. There are a few songs that are actually much better on the original album "Cyclops" being the most agreed upon example. Listen to the two albums back to back and you will inevitable get confused as to which is which cause they are so similar. Trent gets waaaaaay to much credit for Manson's success. Scott Putesky aka Daisy Berkowitz and Gidget Gein aka Bradley Mark Stewart deserve much more credit for the way that album came out.
@timhalo7898
@timhalo7898 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, he only signed him, gave him a direct opening slot on a huge national tour, produced his albums, co wrote a large chunk of his break through album (Portrait was different because Daisy wrote most of it; Antichrist is basically a nin album with manson's vox and concept). But yeah, Trent had nothing to do with it. EYe roll. Not only that, Mechanical is mostly BillY corrigan. Manson is a hack.
@willking1868
@willking1868 2 жыл бұрын
@@timhalo7898 Yeah sure, funny how Mechanical Animals was even bigger and more critically acclaimed, no Trent and a different producer. Then Holy Wood also a different producer than MA. The Golden age of Grotesque also a different producer from the previous album. So on and so on. If he was a hack he wouldn't have done anything without Trent by your assessment. Like I said before the proof is that Manson Family Album has the exact same songs on it as Portrait with almost no changes to any song structure, lyrics ect. Trent did a better job with the production yes. But do you think Trent put so much stake into Manson if he thought he was a hack? Please, get serious. And for the record Antichrist Superstar had 4 producers. Also I believe 8 out of the 9 Manson albums that Trent had nothing to do with debuted in the Billboard top 10.
@point-xn4tu
@point-xn4tu 2 жыл бұрын
@@timhalo7898 "Antichrist is basically a nin album with manson's vox and concept)" But isn't that what's so great about it?! We will never get that again, since these two are no longer on good terms, thanks to Manson fucking it up. BTW, who remembers the kickass remixes from Antichrist, such as "The Horrible People"? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ntOBiZBy2LOUhZc.html
@christopher.saint.christopher
@christopher.saint.christopher 2 жыл бұрын
I wanna meet Manson someday and call him Arch Deluxe.
@lissacroft919
@lissacroft919 2 жыл бұрын
Great coverage of this story between Manson and Reznor. I read Manson's autobiography and could hardly put it down until I was done. Thanks for covering this. I love both of their music 🎶 🎵
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