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@DikPix
@DikPix 6 жыл бұрын
You don't know shit about Sherlock. Your content is garbage, mine is much better.
@Josh-fh5ox
@Josh-fh5ox 6 жыл бұрын
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@Josh-fh5ox
@Josh-fh5ox 6 жыл бұрын
(;´༎ຶД༎ຶ`) Muh Feeliins.....
@bipoc-alypesproductions198
@bipoc-alypesproductions198 6 жыл бұрын
DikPix i see what you did there...and fuck you
@strangerpanic2139
@strangerpanic2139 6 жыл бұрын
I wonder how many people don't realize that this is his second channel
@jamescarr3983
@jamescarr3983 5 жыл бұрын
Strangerpanic21 I know right it’s fucked up
@Ninchennase
@Ninchennase 7 жыл бұрын
That sister is the worst ever plothole written for TV.
@rangerbs08
@rangerbs08 5 жыл бұрын
Its like Moffat had a really bad fever dream and thought: Might as well go with that, fuck it.
@markmark5269
@markmark5269 4 жыл бұрын
Yup, it's what fucked up the X-Files as well for a long time, i.e. Mulder and his constant dribble about his sister. Exactly the same issue, it got personal instead of the successful formula of interesting monster or alien etc that only Mulder believes in, Mulder saves the world, no evidence, no one believes Mulder. Simple and it worked very well week to week, then they changed it. Dickheads.
@SardaukarNo1
@SardaukarNo1 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know anything about this supposed sister, because this show is boring, and there are interesting shows to watch and books to read
@margplsr3120
@margplsr3120 3 жыл бұрын
what do you thiink - just watch on youtube - All Evidence that S4 is Mind Palace || SUPERCUT
@hothotheat3000
@hothotheat3000 3 жыл бұрын
The super secret old best friend who Sherlock remembers as a fucking dog is worse.
@mrMadHatterreviews
@mrMadHatterreviews 7 жыл бұрын
I think the problem is that series 3 and 4 turned the show into a character drama. Instead of being about mysteries, the show was now about Sherlock and his personal life. It's not bad, but it's not what people wanted to watch.
@maumendoza
@maumendoza 7 жыл бұрын
Spot on
@caboosemcgrief
@caboosemcgrief 7 жыл бұрын
kind of like what happened to chuck
@DuelaDent52
@DuelaDent52 7 жыл бұрын
Mad Hatter "This isn't a detective show, this is a show about a detective."
@jaredjenkins99
@jaredjenkins99 7 жыл бұрын
I wanted to watch it...
@mrMadHatterreviews
@mrMadHatterreviews 7 жыл бұрын
I get that. And I am genuinely interested in Sherlock Holmes as a person. That's why I over all enjoyed series 4, because it contained some amazing character stuff for Sherlock and John. Heck, as much as it's hated, I kind of stand by The Final Problem as a good last episode, as it wraps up Sherlock's character arc. The problem is the plot's. The mysteries. At it's heart, Sherlock Holmes needs to be about Holmes and Watson solving mysteries. Without that, the show became aimless. It lost it's core.
@alexanderforbes1452
@alexanderforbes1452 7 жыл бұрын
It's Moffat, he starts out good and runs out of ideas.
@roach9397
@roach9397 7 жыл бұрын
That pretty much sums up his legacy in Doctor Who for me. He wrote my two favorite Episodes (Midnight and Blink) and came up with some other great stuff like The Empty Child, but now he just doesn't seem to know what he's doing.
@Harvester236
@Harvester236 7 жыл бұрын
Sorry to be pedantic, it was RTD who wrote 'Midnight'. But you're right, he can only write decent material when he's not put in charge of a whole show.
@roach9397
@roach9397 7 жыл бұрын
***** Oh, you're correct. Now that you mention it, the episode does include a lot of the typical Davies tropes. Still, it's my favorite episode of the rebooted series.
@friendlyfix5081
@friendlyfix5081 7 жыл бұрын
+JJ H As if, Heaven Sent, Study in Pink, A Good Man goes to War, Vincent and the Doctor, Listen, Time of the Angels, Big Bang, etc, etc, aren't all fantastic.
@tampabaybuccaneer10
@tampabaybuccaneer10 7 жыл бұрын
He can write a good one off episode or two, but he's bad at writing an entire plot for a series.
@TheCatsrules
@TheCatsrules 7 жыл бұрын
Completely agree. The thing I loved from the first season is that Sherlock was someone that could exist in our world but after all the stuff with Mary being a mercenary, Moriarty being everywhere and the crazy super intelligent sister made the show very (or even more) unrealistic so I just couldn't take it seriously.
@margplsr3120
@margplsr3120 3 жыл бұрын
what do you thiink - just watch on youtube - All Evidence that S4 is Mind Palace || SUPERCUT
@Dousch
@Dousch Жыл бұрын
This. The show kept my interest up until the point it no longer took place in the real world.
@justinnyugen7015
@justinnyugen7015 6 жыл бұрын
The mysteries stopped mattering. The cases that would be more in the spirit of classic Sherlock Holmes are reduced to montages. The clues are not something that the audience would look back on and say "how could I have missed that" because there's no grounded logic behind them (aside from the initial Eurus reveal in episode 2, which was subtle and really got me). The whole redbeard debacle being the worst culprit...
@hayleesci7208
@hayleesci7208 4 жыл бұрын
one of the things that still bugs me is the plot line where john cheats on mary…it’s so incredibly out of character and for all intents and purposes: utterly pointless
@maggiestandage-bowles8254
@maggiestandage-bowles8254 7 жыл бұрын
Sherlock made the mistake that most TV adaptations make - it went off book. For the first couple of series the episodes were updated, expanded and stylised but they kept true to the essence of the original stories they were drawn from. It still felt very much like the ACD Holmes and Watson that the creators of the show claim to love so much. Then we hit series 3 and for whatever reason (TPTB drunk on their own success and determined to put their stamp on the endless parade of Holmes adaptations probably) they stopped re-imagining and started telling their own stories. And that doesn't work. That NEVER works. What no TV writer ever seems to realise is that yes, they've found a winning formula, but that formula is so completely grounded in the source material and if you take that away your robbing your work of the foundation that it was built on. Surprise surprise, once that's done everything soon crumbles (and no, over-stylising your stories to the point where the basic plot is lost amid symbolism and metaphor and flashy cinematography won't actually help with that *coughMOFFATcough*). That being said, even when a show has lost it's way completely you can usually still see the vision that the creators had, it's obvious what their aim was, even if they fell miles short... but here? I would actually pay anyone to give me a plausible theory as to what on Earth Moffat and Gatiss were trying to do with series 4.
@jaredjenkins99
@jaredjenkins99 7 жыл бұрын
What's wrong with going off book?
@animehbkscm
@animehbkscm 7 жыл бұрын
The problem with going off book is that these hack writers couldn't write a story of Sherlock Holmes' original books caliber to save their hides. Also still pretty pissed off they destroyed Irene's character and just turned her into a needy Sherlock fangirl instead of the intelligent, independent woman that she was in the original books. That a book published in 1891 has a better female character than a series from the 2010s is fucking insulting.
@CRaZYLPs2508
@CRaZYLPs2508 7 жыл бұрын
Dark Guardian The hounds of Baskerville?
@maggiestandage-bowles8254
@maggiestandage-bowles8254 7 жыл бұрын
When you start a story from scratch you do a hell of a lot of behind the scenes work to give the world you're writing depth and realism - things like character backstory, character motivations, world building, how established relationships got started, etc.etc. (90% will never make it into the text but the fact that the author knows it will influence all their narrative choices and make the story all the more fleshed out). Now when you come to adapt a pre-existing story all this work has already been done for you by the source material, all you have to do is twist bits and add bits and put you're own spin on it. The background you put in is so much shallower but that's alright because you're building on top of the original author's foundations. If writers were prepared to stick it out like this then there wouldn't be a problem but inevitably people like Moffat and Gatiss get ahead of themselves and decide they don't need to play by the original's rules any more: they move away from the script they've been working off and only take THEIR interpretations with them. And that's when it all collapses. Because they haven't done any of the hard work, they haven't built a solid foundation for their work to stand on, all they have are their surface changes so suddenly the world they're writing is two-dimensional and topples under scrutiny. (It's kind like building a house. You move into something that's already been built and you redecorate and hey, this is actually better than it was before! So you think, hey, what if the house was actually half a mile down the road and buoyed by your previous success you uproot and move the house. But you've never built foundations before, you don't know how, all you know is cosmetic changes. Surprise surprise, your house falls down.)
@maggiestandage-bowles8254
@maggiestandage-bowles8254 7 жыл бұрын
I remember watching an interview with the Sherlock team a few years back and Moffat said that he'd always been confused by SiB because "[Irene] just runs away! That's not a feminist victory!" showing very succinctly that he has zero understanding of feminism (shocker) or indeed that story. People always leap to that episode's defence with "yes but she still won, it was an EMOTIONAL victory" as if that isn't the single most worn out and heteronormative male-female relationship cliche in cinema history.
@ryandavis1941
@ryandavis1941 7 жыл бұрын
They pulled a Dexter and tried to make Sherlock more human for apparently no reason.
@VexVanDart
@VexVanDart 7 жыл бұрын
I had to stop Dexter 3 episodes into season 7, I do know what happens at the very end though. Dexter becomes a lumberjack and stops killing people? nope. Honestly, the show should've ended at season four - maybe with Sherlock too, they should've ended at S3, though i did like season four, some of it was a bit ehh.
@HBONordik
@HBONordik 7 жыл бұрын
Dexter should've ended at season two. Well, with a different finale, of course.
@VexVanDart
@VexVanDart 7 жыл бұрын
coopseee i actually liked s1 >>> s6 of Dexter. S7 i couldn't get through - i didn't like hannah at all. S3 was boring, too - in my opinion, we should've had: s1, s2, s6 (replace that whole season with 3rd) and s4 and make Dexter end of there with Rita dead.
@VexVanDart
@VexVanDart 7 жыл бұрын
Such a good show that had a great potential. Sad that they ruined it with love interests and changing the whole plot of who Dexter actually is
@altantulga8138
@altantulga8138 7 жыл бұрын
The ending was supposed to represent the end of Dexter's character arc, Trough out his whole life he believed he was something he wasn't Harry taught him to keep thinking that hes a monster that can't be repaired, The love interest is representing his human side, It shows he still has human emotions and is capable of becoming "human", The end fully compliments this by giving him solitude and a job, The whole reason he is alone is because he wants to be alone with his thoughts.
@applesmith9137
@applesmith9137 7 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed season 4 episode 2, maybe because I liked the villain. Season 4 episode 3 made me want to pull my hair out. LIKE SERIOUSLY A HIDDEN SISTER WTF THAT IS RIDICULOUS WHAT IS THIS A CHILDREN'S CARTOON ... sorry I should calm down
@assaqwwq
@assaqwwq 7 жыл бұрын
SH had a brother called Sherinford, same name as the prison. also they left clues for us, so no reason to be surprised :-/
@voidface8827
@voidface8827 6 жыл бұрын
Apple Smith the worst part is that they had to make her all over-powered like a terrible deviantart oc. They've been foreshadowing a secret sibling throughout the show so I actually kinda guessed that they'd confirm a secret sibling. And when I heard the word "Sherrinford" I freaked thought they'd reveal a secret brother(which is what I thought they'd confirm). I wish they'd just...not have a secret sibling at all though...
@herlocksholmes-uv5qw
@herlocksholmes-uv5qw 5 жыл бұрын
@@assaqwwq actually sherrinford was going to be sherlock's name, this brother thing became a theory because of that
@zaknelthepony7124
@zaknelthepony7124 4 жыл бұрын
You think that's bad? At around season one (I think) Moffat said publicly that they should not invest in Sherlock's backstory, because that is a bad thing to do. Similar to the doctor, the less we know the better. And then in season four, he really explored Sherlock's backstory.
@DeepikaGinger
@DeepikaGinger 7 жыл бұрын
Sherlock just became really emotional, ridiculous and... giggly. It's fine that he cares about John and would do a lot for him, but that doesn't mean he has to change his entire personality. I feel like their trying to normalize him in some ways. And, while he relies on John, he's not entirely dependant on him either, like they seem to depict him sometimes. They just made all of them extremely overdramatic.
@MoogieSRO
@MoogieSRO 7 жыл бұрын
You're right, they became overblown caricatures of themselves.
@tiaaaron3278
@tiaaaron3278 5 жыл бұрын
We are told Sherlock cares about John and relies on him but we never see him actually relying on John for a case. Sherlock does everything on his own and he doesn't even have the decency to respect John,the man he supposedly cares about. This is why I hate their dynamic in the show.
@margplsr3120
@margplsr3120 3 жыл бұрын
what do you thiink - just watch on youtube - All Evidence that S4 is Mind Palace || SUPERCUT
@glittery_fairy
@glittery_fairy 3 жыл бұрын
*They're
@DeepikaGinger
@DeepikaGinger 3 жыл бұрын
anon3075 Thanks
@isabelletaylor3726
@isabelletaylor3726 7 жыл бұрын
This is so spot on. It covers the points I already knew and the ones I've been really struggling to place. In terms of another season? It would be such a shame to leave it on such rubbish episodes so maybe just one more to leave it on a high.
@BernaAwesomeSauce
@BernaAwesomeSauce 7 жыл бұрын
I agree wholeheartedly with your video with one exception, which is really quite minor. You complained about Sherlock getting a girlfriend to break into Milverton's building, but that is actually what Sherlock does in the Conan Doyle story that the episode was based off of. I hated that episode more than any other episode, because John is right--you can't prove anything without physical evidence--but Sherlock really does go to that length to get into the building. Otherwise, spot on video.
@aidanlam5336
@aidanlam5336 7 жыл бұрын
Very much agree, other than that statement the video is pinpoint accurate and managed to express the doubts I couldn't put to words.
@WobblesandBean
@WobblesandBean 7 жыл бұрын
Since when did they stick to the source material? Just look at Irene Adler!
@AtticusStount
@AtticusStount 6 жыл бұрын
It's worth a mention that A.C.Doyle's later stories (the ones after the waterfall!) were written upon pressure of the fans, and probably for profit alone and became a bit ridiculous. My favourite S.H story doesn't include him much, that's the Valley of Fear of course. For those who haven't read it, certain things are hinted about an almost blatently named secret fraternity.
@d.johnson2772
@d.johnson2772 5 жыл бұрын
But Sherlock had some regret/misgivings about it. It's treated as a joke here.
@ameliespencer97
@ameliespencer97 7 жыл бұрын
I really liked series three (including TAB) and the second episode of series four. But I REALLY didn't enjoy the rest of series four, especially the final problem because I felt the whole Eurus story line was pretty ridiculous and incredibly over the top. It just didn't feel like a Sherlock episode, more like a strange Bond movie.
@nkm-fh6oi
@nkm-fh6oi 7 жыл бұрын
Amelie Spencer I agree about how it did not feel as a Sherlock episode. Though I did love the episode. It was different. I can always use a little bit of different. I do miss the old Sherlock though. I hope they do another series, but I want it to be more like the old. I still love series 4 though
@morganadelacour
@morganadelacour 7 жыл бұрын
Exactly my thoughts and my opinion. I loved Sherlock until tfp, found t6t already odd but thought that after tld would come a grande finale. Instead we got some kind of Bond/Horror movie mixture with plot holes and lame background stories.
@Emilyweasel2023
@Emilyweasel2023 7 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with you! I loved Sherlock before series 4 aired. I felt that the final problem was complete ridiculous and when I finally watched shutter Island it did feel like a bit of a rip of common spy film and horror film tropes. I also thought that the whole storyline (spoilers coming) with the dead childhood friend being replaced as a memory of a dog was ludicrous and if Henry Knights blocked childhood memory of Dr Frankland killing is father was supposed to be foreshadowing fell short. The whole thing in a study in pink where John had a sister instead of a brother as Sherlock believed initially was weak. If that is the pull the rug moment then I think they got it wrong and the ideas were not as good as they could have been and the lack of foreshadowing to make it a "rug pulling" moment spoiled it. I also did not like the characterisation of the characters as they felt off to me; and the lack of concern that Sherlock showed when John was about to drown in the well also felt weird when in the empty hearse he ran across to pull him out of a fire on bonfire night. This is why I'm pretending that series 4 does not exist.
@aubs6262
@aubs6262 7 жыл бұрын
Amelie Spencer SAME
@theimprobableone8635
@theimprobableone8635 7 жыл бұрын
Amelie Spencer amen, brotherman. Season four sucked.
@Silveirias
@Silveirias 7 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more, though I like the humour and it's always been part of the show. As someone who was a fan of the original stories long before Sherlock, I really loved the first two series. It was so clever and felt so close to the books. Then it got all action hero and James Bond, which is exactly why I never cared much for Ritchie's films. I love the fact that they introduced Mary to the stories, because so few adaptations ever do. But of course like everyone else, she had to get a bigger and badder and more sensational backstory... I'm surprised Molly didn't end up getting one, too! Personally, I guess I'll just ignore anything that happened after The Reichenbach Fall, and keep on enjoying the fantastic first two series.
@gremlininblue2601
@gremlininblue2601 5 жыл бұрын
I just pretend that everything post season 2 doesn't exist except for the fact that Sherlock will one day come back (albeit not with John punching him, because that was just a tad off.)
@doloresjohnson3242
@doloresjohnson3242 3 жыл бұрын
@@gremlininblue2601 The use of John's PTSD was just as much a Deus ex machina as Mycroft being the UK government and holding sway over the US CIA. If Sherlock needed some sympathy from the audience, then John's sporadic PTSD would appear. Why didn't John beat up Sherlock when Sherlock drugged him with a hallucinogen (at least Sherlock thought it was HIS drug) then locked him in lab, piping in terrifying sounds? That would have been the point where a true sufferer of PTSD would act out.
@prufrockj.a8532
@prufrockj.a8532 7 жыл бұрын
I don't know what kind of idiocy led the creators to think their direction in series 4 was a good idea but up until then, I really liked the show because to me at least, it felt like it had a purpose - a longer narrative arc they already hinted at in the very first episode. Sherlock to me has always been a story about a detective and not a detective story. The cases were always secondary to me because most of the time, it wasn't the cases that truly mattered. It was how Sherlock was affected by them. Up until through series 1-3 + TAB the story was always about Sherlock figuring out how to not only be a great man, but also a good one. I felt like that arc reached its climax in HLV where Sherlock sacrifices everything - his work, his reputation, his life, his legacy, everything - in order to ensure that John gets happy future. While he did something similar in TRF, he always had a backup plan. He didn't in HLV. He made the ultimate self-sacrifice for the person he loved the most (his words not mine) and that to me was a truly satisfying arc. In addition to that, TAB felt like a man finally learning that he needs to be saved and in order to do that, he needs to let his loved ones help. Sherlock dreams of being rescued by John in the waterfall sequence and that is very telling. He has learnt to be a good man, and now he has learnt what it takes to save himself - he needs to finally let John in. He didn't let John in when formulating a plan in TRF, he didn't inform John that he was going to shoot CAM but in TAB he finally realises that in order to defeat his multitude of inner demons (all personified by Moriarty) he needs John's help. To me, this felt like such a satisfying arc and I thought they'd continue with it in S4. But then when S4 actually came, we get more focus on Mary (a character I really couldn't give a damn about) and a John who physically abuses a highly vulnerable Sherlock. The creators took a beautiful friendship and made it toxic. Does John save Sherlock from his inner demons? I don't know. Has John been the making of Sherlock or has he made Sherlock worse than ever? Again I'm uncertain. I also hate S4 for making Sherlock a victim of abuse. Sherlock gets shot in HLV and instead of Mary having to face the consequences for her actions, she is welcomed into the gang again as if nothing happened. (And no, that self-sacrifice of hers doesn't make things even - none of them would even be in that position if it wasn't for her atrocious past anyway). Sherlock is beaten to pulp by John but John is forgiven by everybody including Sherlock who dismisses it all as merely a flawed but human reaction. The whole Eurus thing happens and Sherlock just forgives her despite the fact that she is worse than most of the criminals he spent so much time catching. But I think the worst of all is that no action had a consequence. They were all there for the sheer shock factor. Sherlock kills CAM - it's brushed aside. Mary nearly murders Sherlock - it's surgery and apparently she has had a complete personality change now and is somehow more useful than John at crime solving. John beats up Sherlock - is forgiven and the whole incident is swept aside. John gets shot by his therapist in a scene that cuts to a blood red backdrop - whoops no that was just a tranquilizer shot. Sherlock and John need to jump out of a building because 221b is exploding - are completely safe without a scratch despite the fact that there was no big inflatable mattress or something to ensure their safety as they fell. Eurus...does whatever the hell she did in TFP - she's in pretty much the same condition as before but now she's mute. Mary keeps sending dvds from the dead - uh who even knows at this point what they intended to do with that? There are so many things that went wrong in S4 but I think the reason I hate it the most is because it alters my perception of the rest of the show. I used to think the show was superb but if this was their plan along - to create a toxic relationship between Holmes and Watson, to give Sherlock a crazy mind-controlling psycho genius sister, to have an assassin whose role was to basically cause a few rug pull moments and then die so the plot can move forward, to give said assassin the last say in the legacy of Holmes and Watson by having her claim that who they are as people doesn't matter and that she knows them best (despite her opinion of them constantly being proven wrong at every point in S4), to reduce a beloved and important villain into a crazy guy who will apparently make reaction GIFs for you if you do a weird dance with him (seriously wtf was that random head bobbing thing between Eurus and Moriarty???) - if this was their intention all along then damn this show really did lose its way.
@nemexisto
@nemexisto 5 жыл бұрын
JellyLovesFaith agreed Basically, season 4 wasn't just bad, it made the entire show so far feel meaningless. I hope I can rewatch the first two seasons some day, but at the moment that would still feel terrible because of s4
@nancys4289
@nancys4289 5 жыл бұрын
You got to the heart of the matter and I completely agree. "The reason I hate it the most is because it alters my perception of the rest of the show." When they made the Holmes/Watson friendship toxic, they ruined one of the most beloved elements in the ACD stories. And the whole 'Mary' thing marginalized Watson in a way that threw everything off.
@GothMermaidGamer
@GothMermaidGamer 3 жыл бұрын
Spot on, my friend. My feelings exactly
@birdAdele
@birdAdele 7 жыл бұрын
I think Moffat got too carried away with "Doctor who" evil secret sister and hallucinations of a passed wife os something that would totally work there, but not in "Sherlock"
@beingspecialsucks
@beingspecialsucks 7 жыл бұрын
to me the whole Mary narrative ruined the show. It was OKAYISH when they revealed she had a double life in the past and blah blah blah but the whole "secret agent" drama from series 4 was EXCRUTIATINGLY BORING AND FAR FETCHED AND UNNECESSARY. it wasn't "sherlock" anymore, it turned into the mary show
@GothMermaidGamer
@GothMermaidGamer 3 жыл бұрын
"It turned into the Mary show" THANK YOU WELL SAID
@margplsr3120
@margplsr3120 3 жыл бұрын
what do you thiink - just watch on youtube - All Evidence that S4 is Mind Palace || SUPERCUT
@arthurdent6256
@arthurdent6256 7 жыл бұрын
Doctor Shlock and the Curse of the Vanishing Detective Show.
@ossertthewozzard
@ossertthewozzard 5 жыл бұрын
Sounds British
@Reirae
@Reirae 7 жыл бұрын
Honestly I think Moffatt is a lazy writer. He just reuses old tropes over and over, and even uses his same stories many times over. He ruined Doctor Who for me by continuously forgetting and dropping plot points, and using cheap cliff hangers. I know Doctor Who is meant to be cheesy, but he reaaaally took it to the extreme. I think they should just give it up, but they'll probably run Sherlock into the ground.
@mjdragonmaster6559
@mjdragonmaster6559 7 жыл бұрын
Rei good news, Moffats leaving Doctor Who! He only has one season left then he's retiring.
@ballybally1
@ballybally1 7 жыл бұрын
Rei what plots points did he drop or forget? I guarentee none. he knows how to write a story arc
@judithcash8670
@judithcash8670 7 жыл бұрын
Rei Moffatt a lazy writer?r u flipping kidding me??!!seriously r u kidding me,honestly?Dr Who is 4 another time,but seriously ur having a go at the past few episodes of English Sherlock!Rei hve u read the books or watched the American version where Dr Watson is a woman?writers hve had 2 take Sherlock in2 our generation&i think they hve done really great😘British Benedict&Martin r amazing BUT also American Robbery Downy jr&(Brit)Jude Law were AMAZING.send me a friend reqst xxxx
@zairagomez5026
@zairagomez5026 7 жыл бұрын
Yep, Moffat is a lazy writer, he copy himself his own plots and ideas! There are several ideas, plots, dialogues, resources and scenes which are practically identical between Sherlock and Dr Who... and this is very frustraing when you watch a tv programme. This shows a lack of originality... Sherlock was brilliant in Series 1 and 2... but Series 4 bothers me a lot. Thanks for this video, it is reassuring that there are fans that love the beginning Sherlock but hates specially series 4.
@Reirae
@Reirae 7 жыл бұрын
Zaira Gómez yeah, like in doctor who, the episode where the doctor goes to France - girl in the fireplace I think its called. Exactly the same as "the girl who waits", with Amy pond. he cannot write women for shit, which is weird cause how is it that different? All his female characters are the same. Spunky "independant" women who, in the end, always need saving.
@TheKidd98
@TheKidd98 7 жыл бұрын
I personally didn't hate s3 but fully was on board with s4 being utter pandering trash. but your video actually make me see some key plothole in s3 as well . great one !
@LadyKataNova
@LadyKataNova 7 жыл бұрын
I had never been so mad over a show I loved. I can´t even rewatch the thing because it feels like a huge slap in the face. i was rooting for you, we were all rooting for you!
@gremlininblue2601
@gremlininblue2601 5 жыл бұрын
I just rewatch season 1 and 2 and pretend the rest don't exist
@sasukeissuperior9369
@sasukeissuperior9369 4 жыл бұрын
@@gremlininblue2601 same 😂😂😂
@finnthefannibal
@finnthefannibal 7 жыл бұрын
As for the show I was a huge fan until The Final Problem made me snap. For me every Sherlock adaptation gave me the comfort of knowing it was grounded in reality. It made me feel like Sherlock was real or even I could practise to become Sherlock. The fourth season especially threw that rule out the window and made it feel like a wierd poorly planned poorly written overemotional over the top fan fiction. With the Holmes family at the centre of the universe. I was mostly just heartbroken that my favourite show could go downhill so spectacularly :(
@HarrysMovingMedia
@HarrysMovingMedia 7 жыл бұрын
Mate, your video just redpilled me on how many problems the later series had that I just overlooked. (This comment might end up being really long but this video was really good man, great job) The fan service, the obsession with keeping Moriarty involved... despite not really being involved? I remember when Sherlock shot Magneson I thought "What on earth did he just do? This is so out of place!" Magneson could have made a brilliant ongoing villain to replace Moriarty, would have been well happy with that. I don't think I entirely agree about your point of misdirection of drama. The show was still thoroughly entertaining to me, (with the exception of season 4's opening, my god if I could hate a sherlock episode, it would be that one) but perhaps that was why I was able to just ignore all these problems you've presented. You made a very convincing argument about over-stylization, the bit with Sherlock's revival is very fan-baity, I mean why would they kill off the titular character? It's too likely he'll survive, it's like it shouldn't have happened and they could have had a stand off of some kind. Nah, let's just shoot him to make this whole thing awkward. And he forgives her pretty quickly too mind you! To answer your question, I'm happy where it ended, no need for season 5. Nobody else could write it as well as the pair did and it's not like Moffat has Doctor who to write as well. That man needs a long long break, get some inspiration and go back to being a guest writer on who again.
@Nitpix
@Nitpix 7 жыл бұрын
Harry's Moving Castle Hey thanks so much for commenting, love your videos and always wanted to hear your opinion on this. Follow me on twitter, would be great to talk!
@assaqwwq
@assaqwwq 7 жыл бұрын
i remember watching the Magneson episode, and before SH took out the gun, i knew Magneson was a dead guy. He was playing chess and he backed up SH into a corner. the only way out seemed obvious for me, and i knew Watson had his trusty revolver, and lets not forget SH is a high functioning sociopath that has seen every murder possible.
@anabanana62787
@anabanana62787 6 жыл бұрын
Nitpix Ha! I can't even remember how S4 E1 opened. I guess that says a lot about it.
@nh3heathen348
@nh3heathen348 6 жыл бұрын
Harry's Moving Castle thanks for writing just what I was thinking. I love the show this redpill was hard to take but it was true.
@1toneboy
@1toneboy 6 жыл бұрын
That Magneson episode was the episode I showed to my dad right after saying how good the show was. I was actually embarrassed.
@b_krasowicz
@b_krasowicz 7 жыл бұрын
Sherlock season 4 is worse than fanfiction on Wattpad
@b_krasowicz
@b_krasowicz 7 жыл бұрын
Also, i don't want another season, 100% the will fuck this up
@meanmeme3915
@meanmeme3915 7 жыл бұрын
Barbara Krasowicz just like your life
@oldmanofoy4286
@oldmanofoy4286 6 жыл бұрын
Gee willickers, Mean Meme! Not only are you rilly rilly *mean*, but you're also cool, and also a little dangerous too, I bet! Do you also smoke cigarettes and carry a comb that looks like a flick-knife?
@randomanimallover3196
@randomanimallover3196 5 жыл бұрын
@@oldmanofoy4286 I bet he wears a leather jacket too!
@margplsr3120
@margplsr3120 3 жыл бұрын
what do you thiink - just watch on youtube - All Evidence that S4 is Mind Palace || SUPERCUT
@artnoveau577
@artnoveau577 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I disliked the last two series and had some idea why, but you just pointed many more things out that I had overlooked before.
@janainabrasil1
@janainabrasil1 7 жыл бұрын
I couldn’t agree more, you have very good points! I loved series one and two and grew suspicious after series 3 (the whole Magnusen plot + Mary shooting Sherlock and afterwards being best friends again). Series 4 left me completely bewildered. As you said, no real detective work anymore, terrible family drama thrown in (a baby, how cuuute!, A secret sister Sherlock forgot about- really?) and no witty dialogues, just cheap jokes on Sherlock’s expense. For me, also the friendship of Sherlock and John was an integral part of this show, but for me that’s over, too. Sherlock preferred working with Mary, because she was a trained assassin and therefore had better skills than John and after that John had to be stopped by a mass murderer not to kick to death his friend helplessly lying on the floor. No detective work, no clever Sherlock, no friendship - I think it’s better to quit!
@macrussell78
@macrussell78 3 жыл бұрын
My gripe with the show is it seems to hate mysteries and just wants to be an action show revolving around Sherlock who just knows everything without using any deductive reasoning with Dr. Moriarty as a recurring borderline Saturday cartoon villain.
@MEGANBOT-ph7fp
@MEGANBOT-ph7fp 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome analysis. Also, that video of Moffat smugly explaining that "of course Moriarty is dead, he shot himself in the face!" just irks me to no end. He has no problem mocking his fan base for theorizing about bait HE PUT IN THE SHOW. What. A. Dick.
@djjohnson8657
@djjohnson8657 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, it was a case of saying: You're idiots for taking our hints that Moriarity is alive. Like having Sherlock obsess over Moriarity after his death, then laugh at people for falling for it.
@jill3n
@jill3n 7 жыл бұрын
I agree with all your comments. I was in love with the show the first two seasons and was unbelievable disappointed and confused in the last one. They made the show a parody and for some reason also just made Sherlock into a druggie. I always know it's a death of a show when they introduce a baby, so after John and Mary's wedding I knew the end was near. I'm quite disappointed. I would be fine if they didn't bring it back because they ruined it.
@sourri1234
@sourri1234 7 жыл бұрын
So true. Almost half a year later and I'm still not over the disappointment that was season 4 :-(
@PoppinRandomBubbles
@PoppinRandomBubbles 6 жыл бұрын
sourri1234 I didn't even watch/look at anything Sherlock related after TFP because of the disappointment. Well, until now, about a year later.
@negativepositiveprimitive5562
@negativepositiveprimitive5562 6 жыл бұрын
Sherlock's mystery evil sister was a trainwreck idea. I'm sick just thinking about the writers coming up with this idea.
@hkc8544
@hkc8544 6 жыл бұрын
Why are there so many dislikes? I honestly believe this is the most reasonable, objective analysis of what exactly caused Sherlock's downfall over the last two seasons.
@SylentVoidkeeper
@SylentVoidkeeper 6 жыл бұрын
HKC Because Sherlock fans are very protective of their show
@hkc8544
@hkc8544 6 жыл бұрын
Cellisperfect Because deep down, they know their show sucks and are in denial.
@annaszydeko3390
@annaszydeko3390 6 жыл бұрын
I believe hbomberguy's analysis "Sherlock Is Garbage, And Here's Why" is even better, but it's also much much longer so I'm glad NitPix made a video short enough to watch for more people and reasonable enough to convince them.
@uncertaindaisy
@uncertaindaisy 5 жыл бұрын
salty sherlock fangirls
@d.johnson2772
@d.johnson2772 5 жыл бұрын
It's called belief perseverance (or persistence). Some people exhibit an irrational clinging to their initial believes when new evidence contradicts their initial belief. Have you read the 10/10 reviews on this season? The 4th series is "the best television of all time!", the "best episode of Sherlock of all time", they were constantly on the edge of their seats (as if the show would kill off Sherlock). Of course some are just committed Cumber-bunnies.
@JupiterMan98
@JupiterMan98 7 жыл бұрын
I had the same problems, I could overlook it in Season 3, but Season 4 had the same problems AND there was so much bullshit going on, that I seriously hate the 4 Season. I dont know, if I want another Season, while back, I wished, that Scrubs would come back. Season 9 came......
@Steveatron1234
@Steveatron1234 7 жыл бұрын
Yea its not coming back. Freeman and Cumberbatch are too big now that this show launched them into stardom and after the disaster that was series 4, I doubt anyone would want to be involved again. Incredibly unfortunate since this has got to be one of the greatest shows of all time disregarding series 4.
@alexturlais8558
@alexturlais8558 7 жыл бұрын
I think there are two major problems: anticipation and doctor who. The first seasons were great, and the fans loved it. this was a problem, because the writers felt forced to top the previous episodes with larger and more complicated plots. The other problem was the writers - they were the same as the doctor who writers, so ended up combining the characters - Sherlock's genius and the doctors emotions and passion. The Magnessan arc could have worked, if he'd been emotionally detached from the story without the Mary involvement. Although I do think the sister plot could have gone somewhere, the stupid mind control idea and anticlimax ruined it for me.
@thescottishanimeguy9946
@thescottishanimeguy9946 5 жыл бұрын
I liked the him as a villain as well he was smart but not like morarity(i may have spleed that wrong but its late)
@Ghoul_Boi
@Ghoul_Boi 7 жыл бұрын
Why do season 3 and 4 suck? One word Mary
@thecryingheart123
@thecryingheart123 7 жыл бұрын
This needs a million thumbs up
@kimberleymorris8052
@kimberleymorris8052 5 жыл бұрын
Yes yes and yes!! Abington can not act and the fact that she and Freeman were splitting up made the acting worse
@meglovelyxoxoxo
@meglovelyxoxoxo 5 жыл бұрын
True I honestly hated her
@maximellow5745
@maximellow5745 5 жыл бұрын
I hate Mary so much, she just seems so thrown in and under developed.
@herlocksholmes-uv5qw
@herlocksholmes-uv5qw 5 жыл бұрын
*y E S*
@OmegaReviews
@OmegaReviews 7 жыл бұрын
Wow I was going to make a video on this topic but you meet me to it! Completely agree, I think Moffat's problem is that he wants to see these fan pleasing set pieces designed to impress play out but hasn't thought about how to work them organically into the story, they don't add anything other than fan service. That's why a lot of his writing feels aimless, structureless and lacking in focus. Plus I hate how there are no consequences for any of the characters, they go through these trials and tribulations but at the end it's happy go lucky, everyone gets a happy ending. Tone is probably his biggest issue as you rightly pointed out. Nice video, well thought out!
@MoogieSRO
@MoogieSRO 7 жыл бұрын
On the subject of no consequences, how about Moffat's comments about how Molly dealt with her treatment in TFP. "She probably went out and shagged someone and got over it." I mean, putting aside how unsatisfying it is for the viewer to not see any kind of fallout from such an emotional scene, that attitude he has is fucking disgusting.
@sell8789
@sell8789 6 жыл бұрын
This has always been a problem since the first season. I think, or they do not want to waste time with 'explanations' (after all, it's only 3 episodes and every two years !!) or it's the English thing, I've heard that the English are not very 'sentimental'. I can not deny that I was relieved that there is no Sherlolly, but even I thought she deserved better.
@djjohnson8657
@djjohnson8657 3 жыл бұрын
Great comment. It's what I've felt but haven't had the words to express. Thanks.
@yesyesyesyesyes686
@yesyesyesyesyes686 7 жыл бұрын
Series 3 wasn't too bad but I hated series 4. It didn't hold characters down and was just horrific in overall episode plots
@3hutp
@3hutp 3 жыл бұрын
I was looking for this kind of analysis after I had watched all seasons. I thought that I couldn't possibly be the only one who saw how much worse the show had gone worse after S2. Although I'd like to point to one reason the video didn't mention: Moriarty. The death of Moriarty to be more precise. The first two seasons were driven by the quest for Moriarty. He was behind everything, he was moving all the threads. Then, in the climax of S2, he kills himself. Which is fine, the same thing happened in Doyle's original works. But the problem is that the next two seasons were all about one-upping Moriarty. They cut off the main villain equal in his skills to Holmes and then tried to replace him over and over again and they failed over and over again. Magnussen was introduced as someone who is super evil and super dangerous. They even took the effort to foreshadow his workings at the end of S3 E1. Then he was killed. Then came that murderer guy whom Sherlock introduced to be the most despicable, evilest enemy they had ever had. Then came Sherlock's sister and she, again was supposed to be THE single most ingenious and cruel and devilish villain that had to be stopped. You can't create a new supervillain mastermind in every episode. It just didn't work after Moriarty had died.
@desmcmahon5570
@desmcmahon5570 5 жыл бұрын
In season 3 and 4 sherlock is just a detective Sheldon Cooper
@ardithcampion3494
@ardithcampion3494 7 жыл бұрын
No Season 5, please. Let it die. It took a strange and mean-spirited turn after the original, one-hour pilot and quickly became a cult vehicle for the two central actors. Just sad, all the way round when it could have been good with different writers who respected Doyle's creation and wanted to honour it. Jonny Lee Miller's Holmes in 'Elementary' may not have Cumberbatch's charisma (so called) but the stories are superior, smart and 21-st century based. Miller's Holmes is eccentric, brilliant and doesn't suffer fools but he's not vicious as we see the BBC version be. We see Miller's Holmes thinking, working it out and sometimes getting it wrong. Over the arc of 'Elementary's' six seasons there has been subtle and believable character growth as well as well-written and delivered deductions and plausible mysteries. If you like Holmes and not just Cumberbatch-as-Holmes, give yourself the treat of seeing the true 21-st century version of Doyle's genius.
@codyw1
@codyw1 7 жыл бұрын
Amen!
@sell8789
@sell8789 6 жыл бұрын
Ho, but now you hit my heart because what kills Elementary for me is just the main duo !!! All right Miller, but Lucy Liu? Nothing against it, Liu is cool, but what can I do if I like more of a Dr. Watson who is a man, blond and small? Hell, I wish Sherlock had the number of episodes and seasons Elementary has.
@JaredGrillo
@JaredGrillo 7 жыл бұрын
".... and Darren Brown" 😂
@BritishBambiWantsTea
@BritishBambiWantsTea 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, been trying to understand exactly what felt wrong with s3&4 and you have summarized it pretty well, made excellent points and analysis.
@kokosnoot100
@kokosnoot100 6 жыл бұрын
British Bambi I was discussing this with my family and couldn't point out what bothered me about the last 2 season so much. I can now show them this video...:)
@anabanana62787
@anabanana62787 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, Season 4 sucked. I think what made the show start heading downhill was #1 KILLING OFF MORIARTY! Biggest mistake on Moffat's behalf. Everyone loved his character so much. And 2) bringing Mary Watson into the picture. I wouldn't have minded her being John's wife but the entirety of S3 and mostly S4 she was the main focus. Her past, her being an ex-mercenary, etc. And it was getting very annoying. Especially her post-mortem videos for Sherlock or John. This completely shifted the focus away from Sherlock.
@KreativeSpinnerin
@KreativeSpinnerin 7 жыл бұрын
I would love to watch NO MORE new Sherlock Episodes, because on Balance every Fanfiction is more convincing than Season 3 and Season 4 of Sherlock is. The Show got just a Queerbaiting, Horror, Bond Adaptation with a lot of Plot Holes. If Sir Arthur Conan Doyle would´nt be dead, he would have died simply by watching the new episodes after season 2. They´ve done enough damage, especially to the LGBTQ Community and the Fanfiction Authors, who spend hours and hours on writing mostly beautiful Artwork of the Series, and keeping the Faith to its Characters, while their Creators "Moftiss" dump it ignorant into a piece of shit. At the End of Season 4 Episode 3, Sherlock an John are more tourn apart as in the first six episodes.
@nickthomas5049
@nickthomas5049 7 жыл бұрын
My favourite Sherlock is Arthur Conan Doyle's. He's utterly perfect and is my favourite character in literature
@MrHEC381991
@MrHEC381991 7 жыл бұрын
Steven Moffat has been watching too many comic book super hero films. C'mon, a young girl incarcerated for years knows how to play the violin perfectly and knows everything about everybody, Sherlock struggling to say "I love you" even though he's always proclaimed that he's a sociopath? I was laughing my ass off when he started smashing a coffin up with his bare hands.
@AMillionMadMusings
@AMillionMadMusings 7 жыл бұрын
I think I have a little bit of a different perspective than most of the people here - but I still do totally agree with your points. The thing is, I would consider myself in the 'fangirl johnlock shipper' part of the Sherlock fandom, and because of this I do enjoy the more human and emotional elements of the show in series 3 and some of series 4. However, and I agree with you, once the real world jeopardy and analytic crime solving are taken away, these scenes have so much less impact and become unsatisfactory because they become unrealistic. In series 1 and 2 the more human and emotional elements were special because they were rare, and something that you would only notice on further watching or through analysis. You had to work harder not only to figure out the crimes but also the characters, and I liked this. However, nowadays a lot of the subtlety is gone and with it that complex characterisation. They pandered to and spoke down to their audience, trying to make it flashy and melodramatic because thats what they thought people wanted. When in reality, people liked the first seasons because it wasn't like that at all. Thanks for your awesome video!
@SylentVoidkeeper
@SylentVoidkeeper 6 жыл бұрын
AMillionMadMusings >You had to work out the crimes Beginning of the Irene Adler episode Irene: Then how did he die? Sherlock: Suddenly, a boomerang came in. *Boomerang is never introduced, or shown at any moment*
@janine1390
@janine1390 6 жыл бұрын
*Watches almost two hour long video of why Sherlock is garbage* - *Spots Sherlock related video of AMillionMadMusings in the recommended video section* - *Becomes obsessed with this newly discovered channel and watches all videos* - *Goes back to watching Sherlock videos* - *spots comment of AMillionMadMusings in the comments section* OH HEY GEMMA! FANCY SEEING YOU HERE!
@lizmoss
@lizmoss 6 жыл бұрын
AMillionMadMusings couldn’t agree more
@alaplaya5
@alaplaya5 6 жыл бұрын
I also am a Johnlock fan but the lost two seasons really had many problems. Only because we are shippers doesn’t mean we will accept everything that happens =P well at least not me... The fangirl episode/scene was way too long.(The actor of) Moriarty as a villain was always boring and cringy (at least for me)... sometimes they tried really hard to show how smart Sherlock is ....although everyone should know this already... and although I liked Mary a looot! They overused her and give her a really stupid way to die. I still haven’t finished the fourth season because of this..
@ijustfelldown
@ijustfelldown 6 жыл бұрын
Since I'm a die hard fan of Conan Doyle's work, season 4 felt the worst for me. For anyone who hasn't read any of the original Holmes material, all seasons will be really good since they don't have the complete idea about Holmes' personality.
@lizamichelleva8375
@lizamichelleva8375 7 жыл бұрын
I really don't like Sherlock's character development either, to be honest. I liked him better in season 1 and 2.
@ashlynx1
@ashlynx1 7 жыл бұрын
I completely agree, I stopped watching after the abysmal last Christmas episode where wattsons wife dies, so I had no idea about Sherlock's sister plotline
@ThePonderer
@ThePonderer 7 жыл бұрын
I liked The Lying Detective and the Sign of Three. The rest of those seasons (and the Abominable Bride) can all screw off. I think the show's biggest mistake was emphasizing season arcs, interpersonal relationships, and Sherlock's personal "mythos" over decent mysteries.
@DuelaDent52
@DuelaDent52 7 жыл бұрын
The Ponderer To be honest, the only episodes I ever really disliked were The Six Thatchers and The Blind Banker. I thought everything else was good to great.
@thescottishanimeguy9946
@thescottishanimeguy9946 5 жыл бұрын
@@DuelaDent52 what happened in the blind banker again i cant remember
@DuelaDent52
@DuelaDent52 5 жыл бұрын
Sherlock and John investigate a pair of mysterious deaths and come head-to-head with a Chinese crime gang.
@thumbsdownbandit
@thumbsdownbandit 5 жыл бұрын
Sherlock's jump-the-shark-moment was Mary's metamorphosis from a nurse into a super-spy in "His Last Vow", the final episode of season three. From this point on Sherlock was just one big clusterfuck.
@DavidLeeTurner1
@DavidLeeTurner1 7 жыл бұрын
I don't think there should be another season. I think to much damage has been done to the series and I would rather it end now and just have the memories of when the show was good.
@pelgervampireduck
@pelgervampireduck 4 жыл бұрын
they turned sherlock into a mix of sheldon cooper and the doctor. it's like the writer wanted a crazy guy running around shouting incoherences with insane plots fulls of twists.
@Strobertat
@Strobertat 7 жыл бұрын
Great video! What bothered me the most about later seasons was that the plots had to get bigger and bigger and it got to the point that the we could have a simple episode with a killer of the week because that would be big enough.
@drawntoicehockey
@drawntoicehockey 7 жыл бұрын
My parents watch Sherlock but I don't really pay much attention to BBC dramas I don't really like Benedict Cumberbatch either (I know that seems almost illegal of me to say as a teenage girl, but I only watch Poldark to look at Poldark so I'm still normal); however my mum was complaining to me about these new episodes of Sherlock and she's mentioned how the confusing nature of the programme is spoiling her enjoyment of it as well as all the honest mistakes Sherlock keeps making in the programme. I've watched some episodes and what I see is that they've realised how big their Tumblr audience is and they want to play up to them with loads of weird stuff like "Look how quirky and artsy we are!" but it's just kind of disturbing. Anyway, sorry for the essay (could have used that time to do some AS Level art homework but there we go). Really enjoyed the video!
@anierrn6935
@anierrn6935 7 жыл бұрын
Hey, great video! You summed it up perfectly. Too much personal drama. I believe if seasons 3 and 4 still had the crime show feeling, with clever yet simple stories and good character development, the personal drama could have really had an impact on the characters and the overall arc. The last seasons where all about big moments and plots that were quickly and anticlimactically resolved. At least Moffat is leaving Doctor Who, where he's been doing the same for the last few years. Again, awesome video, great points you made there. You just earned a subscriber. Keep up the good work!
@cucaulwell1287
@cucaulwell1287 5 жыл бұрын
The things that annoyed me most about Sherlock s3 and s4 were the Bond-esque plots (as brilliantly explained in the video) and the way they constantly added things to get a fan reaction, then criticized the fans for "reading too much into" a _detective story_
@nurulizzati971
@nurulizzati971 7 жыл бұрын
let's just throw the whole 'the art of deductive reasoning' out the window and make it into a witty drama action 90 minute episode and we'll see how that goes....i'm sure sir arthur conan doyle won't mind... :>
@bra24hnt52
@bra24hnt52 3 жыл бұрын
I was on my way to the US in a plane when I saw the episode that Mary turned out to be Sam Fisher from Splinter Cell....and I still walked out.
@Harvester236
@Harvester236 7 жыл бұрын
The problem with Sherlock was some of the idiots who watched it. 'Shipping' characters and making terrible fan-fiction clearly amused Moffat & Gatiss, so to please the idiots, they included way too many references to this in Season 3 & 4. Writers should stick to their own ideas and not cater to what some teenage girls squeal for.
@bernardqblack
@bernardqblack 4 жыл бұрын
S1 brilliant S2 brillianter S3 huh? S4 wTF???
@billhodges7835
@billhodges7835 7 жыл бұрын
Russian Sherlock homes is best Sherlock Homes.
@billhodges7835
@billhodges7835 7 жыл бұрын
Sherlok Homes i Doktor Watson.
@Invisiblelad
@Invisiblelad 6 жыл бұрын
*communist anthem plays*
@DIANAS5657
@DIANAS5657 6 жыл бұрын
You should watch Jeremy Brett as Sherlock Holmes👍
@FrancisXLord
@FrancisXLord 6 жыл бұрын
When I watch a programme or film I don't analyse it I just react emotionally, as I believe I'm supposed to. I loved the first two seasons of Sherlock, then with the third season I wondered why I actually felt less watching each episode than I felt with the earlier seasons. So thanks for doing the work and analysing the difference between the seasons for me, I always hated dissecting texts in college and you saved me the job.
@vinny142
@vinny142 2 жыл бұрын
What killed Sherlock was the same thing that killed DrWho and Jackyll: it's name is Steven Moffat. Moffat write episodes. That is all he does and he does it very very well, we all collectively sh*t our pants when the weeping angels where introduced. But episodes have a beginning and a very definate ending. The story *must* end 45/90 minutes after it started in order for the next episode, written by somebody else, to make any sense. Moffat's episodes where good because he was he had a very clear end to work towards, the plot wa driven forward by the need to get to the end before the episode was over. Then they gave Moffat the entire show and suddenly Moffat had a very new and very strange problem: a show has no end. A show can go on for decades. A series can have a finale but that's usually just a pathetic cliffhanger to keep people interested in the next series. The show.... never actually ends. Suddenly Moffat nolonger had to tie up all the plotlines at the end of an episode because there was allways next week. And if you don;t close al your plotlines this week then you don't have to make up something new for next week either.. or the week after that... If you leave enough plotlines open you can get away with writing just a few lines of new stuff and just let the plot dribble on. Sound familiar? Basically, he was winging it, lacking any actual good ideas he tried to trick the audience into thinking something clever was happening by injecting Shyamalan-Twists(tm) whenever he could. He did this Jackyll with the two personalities, he did it in DrWho with the whole River being the daughter of the wife of the son of the doctor's sisters niece's uncle, and he did it in Sherlock wht the sister and the super secret dog thing. What killed Sherlock is Steven Moffat and Mark Gattis wanting to be clever but not having the talent to do so.
@monc4538
@monc4538 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting thing is... BBC Sherlock's showrunners had ample warning about what would happen if they went off formula because it happened before with another rendition of ACD's detective. Take a look at House, MD. Interestingly, another Sherlock Holmes adaptation. The writers of this particular drama blatantly state that they modeled House from Holmes and Wilson from Watson. They share many of the same personality traits (unemotional, acerbic, misanthropic, witty geniuses), and the show has the same formula. It had two (mayybe three) critically acclaimed seasons in which every week there was a (medical) mystery, House (Holmes) solved it by picking out details that nobody else could notice, and the show primarily focused around the details concerning the patient (client) and the mystery and House's problem-solving process. The character development was driven by small details and small personal scenes thrown out between the main medical mystery plot, and we learned about the characters from the way they interacted with and reacted to the circumstances surrounding the case. Sounds like the first two seasons of BBC sherlock, does it not? Then we got a lot of personal drama. It steadily increased until suddenly season 5 is all about Wilson and House having a fight about Wilson's girlfriend's death. Season 6 about House's drug use and rehab, season 7 about his dysfunctional relationship with Cuddy... and honestly I can't even remember, I think he goes to jail in season 8. Or something. To be honest, I was barely watching at that point. Hardly anyone else was either, and that series was widely panned by critics after season 4. I think the writers, like BBC Sherlock, wanted to do something different and forgot that their formula had been brilliant. It went from a show that was grounded in realism to a horrible daytime soap as the plots just got more emotional and elaborate and unlikely. I remember when I could actually picture a lot of the plot of House, MD happening in a real hospital, not some weird fantasy land where people drive Monster Trucks in hospital parking lots. Both characters (House and Sherlock) go significantly off the rails with their worsening drug use and deteriorating mental health as the series progresses, simply for the purpose of drama, and the show suffers. There are other similarities too, for instance having no consequences for actions for the main character. I just find it incredible that the writers of BBC Sherlock made the exact same mistakes as another creative, brilliant-at-the-start Sherlock Holmes adaptation that had wrapped up just prior to Sherlock going off the rails.
@abandonallhope.1040
@abandonallhope.1040 Жыл бұрын
Why do so many of the shows I love end terribly? First there was this and then Game of Thrones and then Attack on Titan and then Star Wars...there is only so much the heart can take.
@anita_2000
@anita_2000 7 жыл бұрын
I LOVE THIS VIDEO this is literally everything I felt while watching the last two seasons put to first. Thank you so so so much for making this video
@anita_2000
@anita_2000 7 жыл бұрын
Like I felt that something was off and didn't really like the last two seasons for some reason AND YOU PUT EVERYTHING TO WORDS FOR ME THANK YOU
@arveycozza9820
@arveycozza9820 6 жыл бұрын
I always thought something's off with season 3. You explained it very well. I completely hated S4.
@wizleyftw
@wizleyftw 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. Love how Moffat at comic con was like "He shot himself in the face, you don't come back from that" as if he wasn't part of the same team that made a cliffhanger hinting at moriarty's return, fucking dipshit lol.
@ShirDeutch
@ShirDeutch 6 жыл бұрын
Moriarty shooting himself in the head in order to "win" = stupidest plot twist ever. It all went downhill from there.
@theultimategamer4187
@theultimategamer4187 6 жыл бұрын
Shir Deutch no nigga what that was brilliant
@ShirDeutch
@ShirDeutch 6 жыл бұрын
TheUltimate Gamer what is brilliant about it? How exactly do you win if you're fucking dead? It worked in Se7en because a) he didn't kill himself but rather made the detective do it; and b) he was a religious zealot. Moriarty is supposed to be the smartest person alive except maybe Sherlock, and that's his brilliant plan? Killing himself in order to "win"? It's moronic. The person who came up with such a plan (the writer) is a complete idiot.
@theultimategamer4187
@theultimategamer4187 6 жыл бұрын
Shir Deutch becuase no one was expecting that to happen it made everything more tense now that what seemed like the only way to save his friends was sherlock killing him self
@theultimategamer4187
@theultimategamer4187 6 жыл бұрын
Shir Deutch yeah i agree killing him self just to win wasnt smart but it shows how far he would go just to win which suits his character
@ShirDeutch
@ShirDeutch 6 жыл бұрын
TheUltimate Gamer ah... I guess? But it only works for us, the audience, because we get to see Sherlock jump off. Moriarty doesn't, because he's DEAD. So he doesn't even get to gloat about winning, because he dies first. I just think a genius narcissist would have hatched up a plan that doesn't involve him dying. People who think highly of themselves usually don't want to die, you know?
@kaylar.8126
@kaylar.8126 6 жыл бұрын
I really like the theory that season 3 and 4 are actually just sherlock in a coma from the jump. There are a lot of cool meta theories on the matter and it would be unexpected. It fixes every problem on this list and brings it back to it's roots of s1 and s2.
@lewisdarleyillustration
@lewisdarleyillustration 7 жыл бұрын
This is a great new channel. Both episodes are fantastic, keep it up!
@BN-tl9fl
@BN-tl9fl 6 жыл бұрын
It all went to shit when jon and mary got together that's y i was so happy that she died because i thought Sherlock and jon would go back to old times and have the time to investigate and do the cool detective shit and sherlock would go back and show off his skills. But, that didnt happen and it was more of like weird scenes inside sherlock head and drama and drama and drama. I wish they go back to where sherlock goes back and does the cool investigating shit he did
@moggyjohnny3381
@moggyjohnny3381 4 жыл бұрын
Moffat's "how would we even bring Moriarty back" comments frustrate the hell out of me since like,,, they never explained how sherlock actually survived so,,, why not just bring him back and not fully explain? how Sherlock did it seemed o matter so little
@pirateskull1819
@pirateskull1819 7 жыл бұрын
Interesting video and you make some very good points. But I was thinking throughout the video, that 3 years have passed between season 2 and season 3. We don't really know everything that happens in this time frame and so (in context to the story) certain things could've happened that lead to Sherlock behaving differently. I know it seems stupid (and I think so too) but honestly I think that that gap does leave a sense of mystery open to hypothesise about to whether something did or did not happen to cause Sherlock to think differently. That being said, I do agree with many points you made about series 3 and 4, as Sherlock became a more awkward action hero rather than the solving intensive social outcast. But even so I still really enjoyed the two series, despite the hate. Personally I believe the character development and focus on Sherlock and his friends was great, as it forced Sherlock in situations to try and detach himself from his friends in sake of the case or visa versa. I think the series would've been much greater and much more memorable if the writers still did the stories, but still greatly considered the attitude of Sherlock.
@Awesomebaconman123
@Awesomebaconman123 7 жыл бұрын
CaptainRy I'm surprised this comment doesn't have more likes
@emilymacgregor4307
@emilymacgregor4307 7 жыл бұрын
I feel like that time gap theory is just dedicated fans trying to excuse plain bad writing, it doesn't matter how clever Moffat was trying to be, the end product was out of character and just bad, even if off screen character development was something deliberate, what a waste! I'd much rather watch Sherlock undergo an actual development arc than a ten minute sequence of special effects and snazzy editing with no actual purpose
@pirateskull1819
@pirateskull1819 7 жыл бұрын
I, for one, do understand where you're coming from, and I agree: it is just simply bad writing. But many fans of many things will theorise about it to make up for something that's missing. Take the Mass Effect game series for example: the ending to the trilogy was terrible, and thus many fans of the game came up with theories of why it ended in that way. All I'm saying is that yes, it is bad writing, but a fan should always find a way past that and find a logical conclusion; just like Sherlock Holmes.
@user-hg5rw8to1m
@user-hg5rw8to1m 6 жыл бұрын
Here's the bottom line. If Sherlock is going to continue being as bad as it was in Season 4, I don't want them to make anymore seasons. I'd rather wait a decade for them to get their shit together than to have more poorly written Sherlock episodes in the near future.
@wanderinglana8292
@wanderinglana8292 7 жыл бұрын
Nailed it! Excellent, logical, concise explanation. I hadn't considered genre as a reason why the later seasons flopped for me. Love your content!
@tonyschannel1786
@tonyschannel1786 7 жыл бұрын
I like learning about this sorta stuff. Wanting to get into the film industry, knowledge of the many aspects spoken about is very helpful. I do agree with most of what was talked about, and although there was so much I enjoyed of season 3 and 4 of Sherlock. It didn't feel like old times. I do hope for another season, and I do hope it goes to old ways. Bringing some good old characters from the book wouldn't sound so bad either. That was the point of this show, what if Sherlock lived in the 21st century, right? Loved this video, mate. Praising it. :D
@devilskind92
@devilskind92 7 жыл бұрын
It's such a mixed feeling for me when I find a video that explains so well WHY I don't like something. Because it's great to understand what bothers me so much about something. At the same time I feel kinda dumb or lazy for not figuring it out by myself lol Anyway, awesome video. In fact, two awesome videos. This channel is so new, but is already one of my favorites! Keep it up :)
@anneadler8944
@anneadler8944 7 жыл бұрын
Great video, you point out a lot of reasons why I never liked the show. You can add "Main character treats everyone like garbage but it's okay because he is a 'genius'" to the list. Hope you're making a new video soon. Loved your first as well. Oh well, I guess I have to subscribe :P
@deanochannel
@deanochannel 7 жыл бұрын
Definitely agree on the over stylization, remember like a fast forward sound effect or I think it was a sound effect with Windows Movie Maker like transition in series 4, episode 1 and it was really random and was so tacky and pointless, just throwing everything and the kitchen sink I think in terms of more visual... stuff, though I did find the part where Sherlock was shot and his mind was racing admittedly very cool but for instance I found the ghost Mary just forced and cliché in my opinion but anyway, great video by the way
@manipool
@manipool 4 жыл бұрын
Yes. I liked that part too. It wasn't all rubbish.
@TSFboi
@TSFboi 4 жыл бұрын
agree with all but the segment where he gets shot and analyses how to not die (without having seen the episode) sounds like it could be very cool and in character. It's an interesting take. Like instead of his life flashing before his eyes, he's trying to logic his way into staying alive which is unique and very true to character. talking to imaginary characters and stuff seems gratuitous though, but I'm a fan of this idea in theory
@tumtumcosplay2901
@tumtumcosplay2901 7 жыл бұрын
I agree with so much of this. It helps put a finger on exactly what troubled me about s3 and 4. They did explore his drug habit more which I felt was really important and in glad they attempted to include it but they totally ignored any withdrawal and almost glorified his bad habits. on the topic of plot, he didn't need to be James Bond, he needed to be THE Sherlock Holmes. And I wish they hadn't forgotten.
@linkfields9159
@linkfields9159 7 жыл бұрын
GREAT video and even better channel!! im proud to watch this channel grow from the start :)
@GotoMaki4Micah
@GotoMaki4Micah 2 жыл бұрын
that is true, him doing something he should know better then to do, coming at john like that after he made him think he was dead, just for laughs for the audience. i feel like they played dexter like that a lot too when there where many instances even in early seasons where he knew how to show he cared. he went into the swamp on purpose to save that kid in the first season. the ignorance is not believable. if he feels sorry not he knows how tell the kids rita died, because hes around people being comforted all the time at crime scenes, witness, body identification but they made him retarded for laughs with the mickey mouse ears on.
@Pamissssss
@Pamissssss 7 жыл бұрын
holy shit, great video, dude
@laurelleaves
@laurelleaves 5 жыл бұрын
What I hated most about the whole "miss me?" cliffhanger is that Moffat was basically making fun of fans and calling fans stupid for...jumping to a reasonable conclusion to his cliffhanger? I honestly think he thinks everything the Sherlock fandom does is stupid because there isn't a single thing he doesn't make fun of them for or call them stupid to think.
@Darren79
@Darren79 5 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with your comment on series 3 onwards being a reaction to the fans' reaction. It's like they lose confidence in just making a good show and every time they think of an idea, they have a voice that goes, "oh no if we do that then the fans will say this". They want Sherlock to appear clever and wow the audiences but they listen too much to the adoring fan voices and forget the general audience. It's like Gatiss and Moffat's own vanity prevents them from just sticking to their original concept - they worry that it's predictable and want to go to the audience "haha we're actually cleverer than you". Shame.
@jamilabrownie
@jamilabrownie 6 жыл бұрын
I was so bored by season 4, I couldn’t finish the first episode. But I adored Season 3. I find it funny how you perceive season 3 onwards as fan pandering since the reason I didn’t finish season 4 was because I never felt more disconnected from the characters. I think the Mary/baby thing kind of ruined the usual flow.
@raecheljosephine
@raecheljosephine 6 жыл бұрын
I love this! Most people just say we're salty because JohnLock didn't become canon. But this proves all our points when we say it's not. Yes, the relationship would've been nice, but the whole 4th season sucked.
@jvstpeachy8862
@jvstpeachy8862 7 жыл бұрын
I really hope they go back to the earlier style of the show season 1 2 and some of 3 were so good I even used to call it my favorite show over so many good shows I watch but season 4 was a let down...
@joebuchan8258
@joebuchan8258 7 жыл бұрын
Dude great job! You've only done two videos and already you've got 6.1k.... AMAZING
@LadyLaVelleFilms
@LadyLaVelleFilms 7 жыл бұрын
great points, great video. People thought I was crazy for hating season 3 and 4. But I'm not alone!
@sentretsparkle
@sentretsparkle 6 жыл бұрын
... BBC's Sherlock was your favorite? I understand that it was popular, but out of all the iterations, I thought it was common knowledge that the 1984 version was clearly superior. I was personally never a fan of the way Cumberbatch portrayed the character of Holmes.
@ohhellobethany
@ohhellobethany 7 жыл бұрын
Man, this is SO spot-on. I knew the third season was disappointing, and that disappointment only escalated in the fourth season. I couldn't quite put my finger on it, and you explain it beautifully. Good vid!!
@passionoflovers
@passionoflovers 7 жыл бұрын
I liked S3. 4 however was bad through and through. From the first 5 minutes of S4 the tone was COMPLETELY off and Sherlock is an over the top goofball with Mycroft being his older brother going ''Oooh Sherlock. Plz behaaave''.. And then it goes into super human nonsense.. It's exactly what happened to the Pirates of the Caribbean series and the character of Jack Sparrow. The writers and the actors become way too aware of their characters and their quirks and so forth.. Trying too hard to please the fans, and forgetting what made it great from the beginning.
@maybepolly_
@maybepolly_ 6 жыл бұрын
S3 and S4 had a huge problem in that antagonistic characters don't really get any true closure. Magnussen dies, and it's anticlimatic. Mary is treated almost like an omniscient goddess with no moral compass, and Eurus... Ugh, I HATE Eurus. She's like a deranged, villain Mary Sue. (And I know that term gets thrown around all the time, but honestly. John, who until then was a flawed yet moral character, goes against everything we've seen from him (loyal, forgiving of past mistakes (James Sholto) as long as they're fully explained, and with an emotional intuition that works as a great complement for Sherlock's intelligence). But no. He gets flanderized into a man who can't even think beyond his 'perfect' and Sherlock's 'betrayal' and never realizes the pain he inflicts in others even when it's yelling right in front of him. Likewise, they didn't know how to do emotion in Sherlock without absolutely destroying his whole characterization. I like the idea of exploring Sherlock's humanity, but honestly, I've read fanfiction that handled it better. Where both the case *and* the interactions had a balance that helped keep the tension where it should be. This? It was a mess. They tried to pander to a type of audience and completely missed the mark. The pilot episode had better interactions, and it was the *pilot episode*. S4 in particular is atrocious writing hidden behind cool camera tricks. Magic tricks, trying to hide the fact that they lost their own characters. It's just sad, considering how much I loved Sherlock when it first started. Ugh.
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