Wdym so they should not debut with support?

@@lachainedestrucsnulle1211 no its that most group, half or even almost all of the members lack basic support, thats why people have been hyping up Aespa & Nmixx for their vocals

Only lily and haewon have a solid base the rest are shallow

@@BAZISSINO94 isn't sullyoon consistent too?

@@the.madu. she's shallow = her breathing is more superficial (way less diaphragmatic and more just normal breathing we use to speak which result in deficit tone production and you have that less full support ) all thr shallow support users are not consistent

Ikr I’m so proud of her

@@thek-nerd3143 I can't even believe that nmixx exists, how can a 4th gen group be so damn talented

@@luizizn165 the hope is never gone 😂🙏

@@luizizn165 💀 most of the 4th generation groups have lowered the standard so much (in terms of vocals ofcourse) that we can't believe a group like nmixx exists

@@cupcakkehighspeedrail4934 and also classy (not sure the spelling) also good at vocal! But the thing is they has lots of underage members

Jyp: hah u better wish

@@Jack-ep7yj naurrr 💀✋🏿 but my hope does come from the fact that Stray Kids are still allowed to actively take vocal lesson even after 4 years into their debut.

@@zhejiwooinkwangya oh btw.. does any of skz has support?

@@Jack-ep7yj only seungmin

@@Jack-ep7yj Seungmin and Chan. Jeongin can but it's inconsistent and he has nasality issues and tension with his tongue and jaw. Lee Know maybe as well but he tends to push but he has had moments of good engagement.

For me it's Lily and Sullyoon alongside all of Aespa. :)

The eb5 wasn’t supported as mentioned by the uploader. The mic isn’t also helping. Soon, she’ll reach there.

@@annacoronel18 its support but kinda.. close throats

@@akio1489 somewhat tight?

@@youtubeisntallowingmetocom9062 yes

@@annacoronel18 she wasn't feel well that's why

Step Back by GOT The Beat come from a known vocal agency (SM Entertainment). It would be on fire if they perform it!

@@underloveryz2731 and kwangya stans will be triggered once again if they covered it

@@ninetine3052 KWANGNYA STANS 💀✋

Because it is too early , easpa lack materials same with nmixx

People are “hesitant” because there’s no reason? There’s nothing to get out of that except creating egos and unnecessary arguments

Someones mad

Shut up

@@liftedb9591 haewon and ningning are equal

Same

Imagine if Lily hits the whistle🥶

End of aespa's career

@@jype3567 why you inserting aespa here?? obsessed much??

Imagine if they sing When you believe 👌🤩

@@namphuongvictoria27 Yeah Lily as Mariah and Haewon as Whitney

They were supported. A bit shy and less full than Lily's (Haewon might also have been affected by her bright mode which she has less impressive handle on) but there's support nonetheless.

I agree

@@vintasahi yeah! She sounds like what I call an ‘Aunty’ voice ( a more traditional+rough voice )

@@nothing45678 aunty wtf 💀😭

@@vintasahi BAE was the one who's have the same vocal range as jeongyeon

Yeah, Jinni is actually better than Sullyoon in terms of vocals. My bias Kyujin is catching up though!

None of those idols are forced to sing that way except Momo and sana

@@thek-nerd3143 but they're all pretty stylistic vocalist tho.

@@hanniezy9125 yes but that is because they choose to

@@thek-nerd3143 most sub vocals of kpop, for female it's falsetto+nasal+airy or for male it's chest voice+nasal+ airy. they do it to produce a very poor sound quality but it sounds weird to cover up their lack of vocal technique. I'm once so I know where the vocals are. I'm sorry that the group's vocal line is showing signs of regress. while the style of singing half airy, half sound will make the singer underdeveloped low vocal range, underdeveloped technique due to too much air passing through the vocal cords will blur their breath support. Unfortunately, due to the overload due to the company, the group did not have time to rest. But for a group like TWICE, it's difficult to improve their vocal technique, but the company doesn't even allow them to have time to practice vocals or study and practice with a good vocal teacher.

They sing by diaphragm that's why they don't lack in breathing not chesty

no we’ll be hoping they’ll still peak 😭

@ i hope they are, don’t want losing another amazing vocalist especially as group like them 😭

@@vity9534 Naur bestie, they just debuted like 3 months ago😭💀🛐

No, i hope they will get more improve. They are still so young, Lily and Haewon have so many chances to improve themselves more!!

fax

me too!

Feel like she hits the notes easier than Lia

@@LizzieHa Were they singing on the original key? cuz it seems like(At least to me) Sullyoon is singing that chorus with ease. That I thought maybe they lowered it?

@@idgaf72 no, Sullyoon made it easy! She has that ability!

@@LizzieHa Yes she's a better vocalist than Lia overall

Ni un poquito xd

@Czennen not melody, weekly lmao melody is her name, I guess.

@@edu.8552 not melody, monday lmao

haewon dips G#3 that weren’t exactly impressive nor well supported, the phrasing Bb3 is fine. sully sings C#4, mostly, the brief dipping A3 i would say carry some support but it’s on the softer than solid side. lily is just fine throughout, her chest~head transition is the most notable quirk i can pin point lol i still find bae to be shallow and messy in placement personally.

I saw a comment and it said all notes are supported except the eb5 from haewon(which is opaque)

yes but i wouldn’t call it solid lol

She did, but they only have two members with solid support, lily and haewon. Kyujin, Sullyoon, Jinni and Jiwoo are still mostly shallow, but well, the former 3 can have some solid moments so it's arguably 5

Bae could also carry some support up to A4

Maybe shinee too but I don’t know if Minho supports

Snsd also has 6 members who could support

@@kaushikidhupar2954 7

@@kaushikidhupar2954 7

@@thek-nerd3143 for sooyoung yuri are they average or their support is weak? And which between the two do you think is stronger?

@@Brybeery agree

I think I got confused reading the above two replies😭. Help me, who's correct?

@@hveamvilov9403 lmfao, same💀🖐️

i don't know shit about vocal but is bae really last? i thought she's in the vocal line no?

@@jm14409 yup😭🖐️

Sullyoon not yet, her support is still light Bae hasn't showed support yet due to throathiness Lily hasn't been able to resonate and lets hope it will happen

@@patfloren1766 thank you so much for your response!

@@patfloren1766 Bae has a degree of support

​ @Pat Floren but i saw someone said that sullyoon have shown a C5 support in their move your body performance. can someone check coz i'm not really familiar with support thingy. here's the link. about 2:30 in minutes kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Zqthh7OFyNXFhHU.html

@@patfloren1766 kzfaq.infoDVX1mHsxtyk?feature=share bae's support 😮

Wait, Wendy can support Eb5 now? I only heard that Wendy can support up to D5 in mixed

@@youtubeisntallowingmetocom9062 Wendy has been supporting Eb5 eversince (not pre debut) and it's impressive as well imo

@@thischristmas00 in my defense, the analysises aren't even updated but as far as I've heard, her E5s are tight, anyways, glad she's still improving, can't wait for her to reach the Good tier :D

No one call Lily that

@@ssamu756 a lot of people are, actually

I don't think bae is better than Mina and chaeyoung

I think it’s a clear Chaeyoung > Mina now lol.

@@KittyTsundere chayoung has better grasp of support but consistency wise mina is better than chaeyoung soo yeaa

@@davidakbar4876 maybe but chaeyoung has enough grasp for shallow support, mina really doesn’t

I think nayeon is better than jin-kyu-yoon, her chords are def stronger and she has showed more stablished support even when she's not focused. Nayeon is full overall up to A4, and has showed some full Bb4, while the other girls are mostly shallow and with some inconsitencies. I'd say the 3 are more around low to mid w-a for now, more comparable to rose and haeyoon rather than jeongyeon or karina

no, don’t expect shallow girls to support C5s or above out of nothing. don’t let people fool you either ahah it’s cleaner than we generally hear from WA tier but she doesn’t hold enough development to support that high

I'd say it's way too early to rush into that, personally want to hear her do more vowels and try sustaining a few D5s first.

i wouldn’t personally, it’s C#5/D5 and G#3 is more of a estimation really

Fair enough, we really do need more material and also give them more time lol

@@oceanwave_ June, NMIXX will comeback. We need to wait for several time.

I'd rather wait to see her Eb5s first. Lily has supported all of them so far, if I recall correctly. If she continues some consistency with it, then it might be D5/Eb5, if not, then D5 only is fine unless she messed some up later on. It's too early to set on the details.

So basically the whole group have at least a shallow support? Isn't it the biggest group where it's the case?

@@horus7416 Aespa has it too!

yeah jiwoo and bae are weak, jiwoo is fairly high in the weak imo though. i’m not arguing about those three anymore, i’ve heard better from each of them at different acts lol kyujin’s carrying support upto B4 in like ooh-ahh but sullyoon seems to have a more consistent grasp of support, jinni had the best Bbs on her mama cover but been quite messy on the latest material... let’s wait a bit more for a cleaner ranking uh?

@ of course 😅 it is so good that they have 3 solid lead vocalists though! I hope more groups have vocal lines like this in the future because I was getting concerned for 4th gen vocals (and still am to an extent)

Jinni being above the others was always just an estimation cuz she never sang after the pre-debut stuff, and Sullyoon and Kyujin also showed better stuff after debut so, it's normal for expectations to change with more material. At this point, all 3 are around the same level anyway.

Ahhhh nice to hear some more Jinni singing content and more exposure of her vibrato. Very grounded singing, she went nasal when she sustained that "more" line.

@@liftedb9591 that true but old. Now Lily M is a low AA to D

@@liftedb9591 Lily M's supported range A3 - C#5/D5 - F#5/G5 Thanks to supported headvoice F#5/G5, she can get a boost. Wendy is a Decent vocalist, Her weakness is that she rarely creates resonance. Even when she was making resonance, it is not stable. Lily M is the same as Wendy. But we can say that Lily M surpasses rank by week/month. At first, she was only ranked A to AA. Not long after that, she was at rank AA again. and now, she's definitely in AA to D. We might think that Lily M is hiding her profession, she's actually a very good singer. Ah one more thing, if Lily M often makes resonance (C5,C#5), she will be a Decent vocalist for sure.

@@liftedb9591 yes, Bae really has the potential to have supported. But she still has the problem high larynx. So we just wait for her improve. I don't know much about Jiwoo.

@@Twice_forever9 jiwoo is B3-G#4(A4) i think !

@@aeyoona Bae and Jiwoo have the potential to have supported range. If Jiwoo's supported range B3-G#4/A4, she will be ranked Weak (A4 support quality has to be good) But I think A3-A4 is safe for her rank Sullyoon, Jinni, Kyujin need more materials. They can be Average vocalist in the future

She hit a G5 😵

She seems to have completely gotten rid of her shallowness and is now bolder. If it continues, she will be guaranteed a place in the average tier

​@@desckfulpieceofsht Bb5*

Jinni isn't C-

As far as i know Jinni, Sullyoon and Kyujin would all be in mid-high D+ tier Jiwoo and Bae would be in D tier (Jiwoo in higher part, Bae in lower part)

dunno how it works but i wouldn’t have sully, kyujin, jinni in different tiers. also if they’re D jiwoo and bae should be E at least…

@@Lu-.- ok, so what is it?

@Baylon Nikko thanks!

But* not birth 😂

Personally for me based on what I heard from Bora, she's exactly in the weak tier lol. I remember her being shallow, quite thin, and nasal lol.

@@KittyTsundere yeah I’m not trusting kpop stans again after swearing she’s the best in the generation 🙈at least she has some support though

@@user-tw1zv8ki9q Bora (literally) screams out high notes, and kids call her the best vocalist. 😅 Yea there is support but her coordination is mehhhhh tbh lol.

@@vintasahi Lmaoooo; did they mention her high notes lol? Hell, I wouldn’t even put her above Chaewon, Yuqi, or Lia lmao. Hell even my girls Sihyeon and Moonbyul can put up a fight against her lmao. For someone with a quite light approach, she does strain a lot which should tell you about her overall coordination (not good lmao).

@@vintasahi thx

@@vintasahi wow this has definitely aged

como em um vídeo? não, não posso. mas se você quer saber eu ouvi um pouco delas no passado e no geral não acho que tenha nada notável para destacar. algumas tem um pouco de apoio mas nada bem estabelecido, ainda bem intuitivo.

Haewon stronger midrange than Lily as well

@꧁ᴍᴏɪsᴛᴜʀɪᴢᴇ꧂ Maybe Sana, but idk I like Sullyoon's voice wayyyyyyyy better than Sana lol. Sullyoon's voice is cute but also has a mature-ish edge to it I guess (Sana's voice is like 100% cute lol).

I would say maybe dahyun but hmm idk maybe one of michaeng

but in terms of vocal support 1.lily 2.haewon 3.jinni 4.sullyoon 5.kyujin 6.jiwoo 7.bae

@@wompwomp8272 what the heck is this

They're slightly underdeveloped but Sullyoon and Kyujin are

I think she can. I saw a video saying she was E tier

Both Jiwoo and bae can support now. they both have B3-G4/G#4, I’m not too sure about their lower register.

nop, that Eb5 is not supported. only upto C#5

@ It does carry some support. A bit more pushing in general but it's not bad. Considering the chestiness and how she's moving around, I'd say she's someone to watch out for cuz she can have some pretty decent handle A4 - Eb5 wise.

@@zekerh8936 i agree it carried some support but was it enough to be given a pass? thought it had more pushing there than she could handle, even if just slightly

@ I mean, I wouldn't say it's a well supported Eb5 but it's not unsupported either. There's pushing due to the coordination (it's heavier than both Lily's and NN's in this case) and the whole dancing around, but mostly the support isn't what's lacking specifically.

Lily : A3-C#5/D5-F#5/G5 Haewon : G#3/A3-C5/C#5-D5/Eb5 Sullyoon : Bb3-Bb4 (maybe B4?) Jinni/Kyujin : A3/Bb3-A4/Bb4 Bae/Jiwoo : probably B3/Bb3-G4/G#4 at least

@@Sylvaincks i thought jinni better than sullyoon? is sullyoon better now?

@@hynjj234 it's debatable, but i just put Sullyoon above Jinni because Kyujin and Jinni have the same supported range

Still early but my estimations: Lily: G#3/A3 - C#5/D5 - F#5/G5 Haewon: G#3/A3 - C5/C#5 - Eb5/E5 Sullyoon: A3/Bb3 - A4/Bb4 Jinni: A3/Bb3 - A4/Bb4 Kyujin: A3/Bb3 - A4/Bb4 Jiwoo: Bb3 - G#4/A4

@@woodzyoungerbrother1214 I thought haewon had C#5?

@@woodzyoungerbrother1214 haewon G#3 too in lower

@@woodzyoungerbrother1214 i would give jinni, kyujin A3/Bb3 ~ A4/Bb4 and A4s for jiwoo

@ Damn so the dance line ain't playing. Same with the Haewon being a great dancer with technique to back her skills.

@@Seulgi_bff wow that means 3rd best in the group?

No

Sullyoon is

no it doesn't mean if kyujin has a highest supported range than sullyoon it doesn't mean she's greater than sullyoon ☺️

@@jarrellauz9768 but if she has a wider supported range then it would make her a stronger vocalist. there just isn’t enough material to prove that she’s consistent on B4, but she hit it w ease so i think it is possible that kyujin could be stronger than sullyoon, and she alr has a stronger lower register.

Haewon mix was sounds chestier jn move your body

Yes, more than idols usually do.

Haewon would sound very shouty if it was pure chest voice

@Nuggies Is nayul is better than Raina?

@@leeavj9435 Yeah I would say so

@@bigmamafan1773 Why?

@@leeavj9435 Her mix is better, its really really good, in the 4th octave its a bit lacking (near Raina too), but on the 5th its way more advanced on C5-E5, than some proficents too.

@@bigmamafan1773 How about lows, resonance and head voice?

yess

@@cutiieeepatootieee2002 crazy for a rookie group and from jype

What is somo?

@@breats4703 *some 😅

@@no-lb4bs ooh at first I thought so lol, but I saw the keyboard that the e and the o is little bit far haha.

Here's the order from the highest to the lowest: 1. Excellent 2. Great to Excellent 3. Great 4. Good to Great 5. Good 6. Competent(Proficient) to Good 7. Competent(Proficient) = P 8. Above Average to Competent(Proficient) = AA-P 9. Above Average = AA 10. Average to Above Average = A-AA 11. Average = A 12. Weak to Average = W-A 13. Weak

@@breats4703 which of this levels is Lily's??

@@mywordsfact.6000 AA

@@breats4703 can you give me an example of excellent singer

@@little_N_mixx so hyang

Both are better than Lia…

the only one who seems to be below lia yet is bae

what is lia's supported range anyway

@@ninetine3052 sootzubae has an analysis of her in their channel. looking back, their gap is minimal and bae can probably outdo her with more materials

@@byeonggon Lia is consistent w A4?? I really thought she was…

@Baylon Nikko wtf? This girl is monster😲

@Baylon Nikko I’d say C5/C#5 is fair

@Baylon Nikko More like G#3/A3 ~ C#5 ~ Eb5/E5 imo

@@Seulgi_bff so that means her supported range more wider then winter and ningning??

@@Brybeery if we count as octave, how wide ningning's is?

I think it's better to avoid asking these kind of questions for now.(Questions like: NingNing vs Lily,Haewon vs NingNing,Æspa vs Nmixx etc). The group just debuted few months ago,and there's still a lot to be confirmed regarding their skills/level set.(Same goes to Æspa,their skills *might* be more than what we have heard now). Not to mention that there's already a lot of this thing being asked in every single video that featured Nmixx or Æspa and some even in non-related contents. Well that's just my opinion though. ^^

I just can rank this 1. Lily 2. Haewon/Ningning. Haewon mix dan upper reg. Is better than Ningning, but Ningning low reg. Is better than Haewon. 3. Winter

It’s still the same as it’s always been unless you want to rank the non sullhaely nmixx members

yes sure, everything highlighted was supported in my perspective. (except the opaque notes)

@ WAAAAA, so Kyujin and Sullyon supported Bb4 and B4? :O

@Jacob Thank you!:D

@Jacob Haewon supported that D5?

@ do you mean opaque as in haewon's Eb5? i didnt realize her notes were different in opacity till i double check

Kyujin is probably stronger

Lia's vocal is about voice color she's very unique but this video is about in term of support range

@@Seulgi_bff bae is D-