Sadly, most teachers are afraid to confront the reality that their way was not the best, nor did it make sense. They also do not like to be challenged on these things and claim anyone not on their level does not have a claim to legitimacy. You did the right thing by going explore elsewhere. I kinda did the same but came back to Karate for more kata study. Once I am very comfortable with them, i will have to test them and try them in a self defence/Krav Maga class. karate group does not test self defense in drills or real scenario. Only Karate vs Karate for the sake of practice... Sensei Morris is speaking my language with everything he said in this video; I hear myself and what i got shut down by talking about in various Karate schools. It is a very taboo subject that what they practice doesn't work in actual combat. Not saying Karate doesn't, simply how they learned it and and choose to teach it is flawed. It is sad that people seeking practical Karate (the real deal) are a minority in the bunch.

Has anyone lately seen the work of Michael Nguyen? How about Patrick McCarty or Iain Abernathy? Once you do and compare it with other styles like Muay Thai and judo/ju-jutsu it all comes into focus....

Generally speaking, the older Japanese JKA instructors came from a culture that despised Westerners and western culture - mainly because of Japan’s defeat in WW2 and the destruction of Nagasaki and Hiroshima - and who could blame them? I’d be pissed off too! They simply did not WANT to teach us these things

THEN YOU UNDERSTAND THE REAL POWER- the speed and power that people couldn't comprehend, that snapping literally BLINDING speed. from a STAND, A FRONT KICK INTO A HEAVY BAG THAT'S BEING HELD BY A BLACK-BELT GIVEN BY THAT INSTRUCTOR, AND THAT BAG, YOUR SITTING WATCHING THE MASTER FROM THE SIDE- BLASTS THAT BAG IN ALMOST A 90 ° DEGREE L SHAPE, THE CORNER OF THE "L" IS THE GUT LEVEL- IT SQUISHED CRUSHED THE MAN INTO THE BRICK WALL BEHIND HIM THAT BAG WAS FIXED IN, HE HIT THE FLOOR, WIND BLOWN OUT IN A HURTFUL SOUNDING RELEASE AS HE IMMEDIATELY DROPPED, AND LAID THERE, HURT, FOR A COUPLE SECONDS THEN SLOWLY STRUGGLING TO GET UP AS THE MASTER WALKED OVER ASKING HIM IF HE WAS OK, AND OF COURSE HE SAYS YES ( AS IN ANYTHING BROKEN ? ) - - EVERYONE WAS IN SILENT SHOCK. I'VE NEVER IN MY ENTIRE LIFE SEEN SUCH FORCE. AND AGAIN- FROM A STANDING POSITION AND HONESTLY I THINK THE MASTER COULD HAVE KICKED THAT BAG IN HALF WITH MORE FORCE, BUT HE DIDN'T AS NOT TO REALLY HURT THE MAN THROUGH THE BAG EVEN WORSE. - - WE WERE IN SILENT ABSOLUTE SHOCK. HE WALKS BACK TO WHERE HE STOOD, TALKING ABOUT THE FRONT KICK, THEN SHOWED US, AND SAYS : " WELL WHAT ARE YOU ALL WAITING FOR ! " - EVERYONE SCRAMBLED UP FROM SITTING TO START TRAINING WHAT HE SAID TO AFTER HE WOULD EXECUTE THE OKINAWAN SHORIN RYU FRONT KICK - I TELL YOU, MATTER OF FACT; IF THAT MASTER WENT INTO THAT AMATEUR SKILLS VENUE " UFC " : He would lay everyone out in 1 stroke, that would have to be filmed with a high speed camera. - HE, AT 4th DAN, IN OKINAWA, UPSET THE "HIERARCHY" WHEN SHUGURO NAGAZATO told him to fight against a 6th DAN AND HE DEFEATED THAT GUY INSTANTLY !!! - - LET THAT SINK IN... - INSTANTLY, KNOCKING HIM DOWN AND UP AND BACK DOWN ETC ETC ACROSS THE FLOOR ! ( BUT HE USED A MUCH DIFFERENT CIRCULAR STYLE THAT HIS DAD HAD CREATED TO DEFEAT THE SHORIN RYU ! OBVIOUSLY IT WORKED, AND PERFECTLY- FOR HIM AT 4th DAN to wipe the stage with a 6th DAN !!!!!!! ) - - NAGAZATO saying nothing, so FRANK HARGROVE 8th DAN Said " Well... your not using SHORIN RYU ! Some "____ style " !!! STICK TO THE KARATE!" ( because they were also going over an exhibition to promote the karate when my master tested his own style!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 SO- MY MASTER FACED HIM AGAIN, BUT ONLY USED THE KARATE SYSTEM, AND STILL HE DEFEATED A 6th DAN ( I forgot the 6th DAN's NAME ! but if you can acquire the handbook from 1989 her is in that as 6th ) THE GUY SAYS HE WOULD NEVER AGAIN IN HIS LIFE SPAR AGAINST MY MASTER. - so I guess he got hurt a "little bit" - - I WON'T SAY MY MASTERS NAME. BUT ANOTHER ARTIST THAT DOES POSSESS SOME OF THE SNAPPING POWER I'M SPEAKING ABOUT, HIS NAME IS JAMES COFFMAN- AND IF YOU FIND THE VIDEO WHERE THE MASTER IS DOING A SEMINAR WITH COFFMAN AND OTHER DAN's HE SHOWS A BIT, THEN COFFMAN HE ASKED TO DO THE MOVES THEN SHOW SOME OF WHAT THE MOVES ARE AND COFFMAN EXHIBITS THAT POWER BUT WITH THE RELATIVE CONTROL AS NOT TO SNAP PEOPLE'S LEGS IN HALF, AND ETC ETC. - - I'M NOT SAYING HE IS EQUAL TO MY MASTER BECAUSE HE IS NOT. NOT AT ALL AND I SAY THAT NOT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING OTHER THAN IT'S STRAIGHT FACTS !!!! I'VE NEVER IN MY LIFE SEEN POWER EVEN CLOSE TO MY MASTERS, BUT JAMES COFFMAN IS THE ONLY OTHER KARATE SENSEI THAT I SEE IS HALFWAY ON THAT SNAPPING SPEED WITH THAT UNBELIEVABLE POWER. - I'VE NOT SEEN A VIDEO WITH THIS MAN ILLUSTRATING HIS SKILL... SO I CAN'T COMMENT ON THAT ASPECT FOR HIM, BUT I'VE SEEN HIM DEMONSTRATE WHAT THE KATA IS, AND I CAN SEE THAT HE HAS MASTERFUL , INDEED, KNOWLEDGE AND I CAN ALSO TELL HE'S POSSESSING GREAT POWER... I'D WAGER HE'S LIKELY IN THAT CATEGORY. - - 1 LAST THING, WHEN YOU CAN STOP WALKING IN, SAY A SHOPPING MALL AND BREAK A HOLE IN THE CINDER-BLOCK WALL WITH A SIDE-CHOP ( SO THE TWO IDIOTS WALKING TOWARDS YOU OBVIOUSLY FLEXING FOR TROUBLE AS THEY'RE BULLIES AND STUPID ) AND THOSE TWO IDIOTS WENT FROM BULLY I'LL CRUSH YOU EXPRESSIONS TO BEING TO BE TAUGHT, THAT'S SNAPPING SPEED AND POWER THAT I'M SPEAKING ABOUT- AND JAMES COFFMAN DID THAT WALKING WITH MY UNCLE ( WHO WAS A STUDENT OF HIS ) - - IF YOU'VE ANY LINKS TO THIS GUY SHOWING HIS REAL SKILL, PLEASE REPLY WITH IT. THANK YOU. * >> PS- I'VE SHARED WITH YOU COMPLETE TRUTH. I HOPE YOU ENJOYED THIS ACCOUNT OF A MASTER THAT I AM TO THIS DAY STILL NOT SEEN EVEN A CLOSE IN SKILL, AND THEN THE ACCOUNT OF JAMES COFFMAN, WHO IS IN THE LOWER LEVELS OF WHERE MY MASTER CAME WAY AHEAD OF AND 35 YEARS AGO. - ( THAT KICK INTO THAT BAG ! ... I WALKED UP TO IT AFTER CLASS AS I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT DIDN'T RIP ALMOST IN HALF WHEN HE KICKED IT INTO THE SHAPE OF AN L !!! ) 🙏🔥😇🙏

He's my teacher, and his seminars are great. Before joining his association, I learned a lot from his DVDs. 🙂

@user-im9bt1wy8j 0 seconds ago I hope you have seen his "One strike: One kill" video. That was incredible!!😲

Where??

Tadashi Yamashita is as real as they come .

@@nesking3115 oss👊🏻

Damn,Tadashi Yamashita. Now you're talking

Just look around at the distortion of martial arts by the common man to see why things were kept under cover, to protect the practitioners if no one else

I personally believe that all karate-ka should learn and practice all other methods of striking. Given the current situation with most karate schools today, karate-kas should train in muay thai, but also savate, TKD, and boxing. Even as far as going to train in obscure Chinese kung-fu styles. It would fill in all those parts that currently are missing from karate. It's not so much the styles themselves, but the modality in which they are practice. For example muay thai trains the way most karate schools should train, and basically the style is a simplified method of karate. That's why I enjoy the work that Michael Nguyen has done towards understanding karate.

Not only Higaonna but many others who have been lost to history, went to Fujian province to learn the different methods of Crane boxing. In the end karate is the original MMA.

Tadashi Yamashita is also the truth

More names, I love it. I knew of only Noah Legel and his group. A few here in Canada with Karate Unity but far from where I reside.

Russel Stutely 😂

Teruo Sano?

I have always asked the question: if a knife is nothing more than an extension of the arm/hand, and we learn to defend against kicks and punches. Why does it become so difficult and complicated to defend against a knife? Just like a punch or kick a knife in a hand can only attack in so many angles. Maybe the problem doesn't lays so much on how to defend against a knife, but on not knowing how to just in any other situation take someone out quickly and effectively.... How many people are taught and trained to knock out anyone in 3 seconds?

The original ideas of Funakoshi and Kano were not so bad, it was after extreme sportification of these arts that they became useless and nothing more than just a game. Same thing happened with European martial arts due to the progress of technology and civility. The need for personal self-defence became less needed. The arts of swordsmanship and grappling became sports in the form of fencing, wrestling and modern boxing. Today there has been a revival on those subjects, going back to the original treatises and finding the real applications. Just like European historical martial arts, karate and other Asian martial arts need to do a review and go back to the original sources. What I personally see most is not the application itself, but the methodology in which it is practiced. Too much rigid formality and not enough individual training. We should all take a page from muay thai and the way they train...

@teikarate Good on you for being interested enough and open minded enough to do this

That was one of many compounding reason why karate was watered down; to make sure karate was less violent for teaching school kids, but there was also pressure from various japanese governing bodies to uniformise and narrow karate. Throwing was dropped from the syllabus because the Japanese already had judo and wanted something different from karate. And of course as Vince labour here much of it was dropped for sporting reasons. Putting all that aside how relevant is verifying a persons character today? How many "bad" or "irresponsible" people are training that we should hide the effective karate from until they prove themselves to be worthy? You should not teach some stuff to kids but for adults this idea of vetting is a bit of joke after all how many adult students have you had to remove from your club for being "bad" or "irresponsible"? BUT here is the big, big problem - people say we don't teach the effective stuff until people show they are worthy, but actually they never teach the effective stuff at all to anybody even long, long after they have proven they are beyond a shadow of a doubt worthy - at very least they never teach the good stuff in context driven drills that build reflexive responses to real life situations. The problem with karate is that the children's version of "non-violent" karate is all that is left and all that is taught in most schools.

Even though Okinawan karate is closer to reality, they're still missing parts or understanding of the original applications.

His website is here; kissakikarate.com

That's why some people are calling sport karate today as ballet with violence!

Those are honorary titles given by the organization in recognition of their contributions to the art. All you need is up to second degree, that's when you have become proficient enough. The rest is experience and acquired understanding of the art, which in a large organization are given in recognition of your work.

But still, the heian katas have pretty lethal stuff when U learn the bunkai

But the basics are the foundation of everything, and in all reality that is all that you really need the rest is just all practice. Fear the man who has practice a technique a thousand times, than the man who has practice a thousand techniques one time.

@tatumergo3931 yes but you don't "fight" using expanded basic movements as in kata or line drills. Everything contracts to a fighting stance.

@@bilbobaggins4403. Glad you responded so I can elaborate. The problem lies in what and how it is taught. So often the confusion is with what the movements in katas are and how they are applied. Take blocks for example; most people believe that they are parries against attacks, they couldn't be more wrong. Another one is the directions in kata's movements; often confused with the direction in which you face an attack. Nothing could be further from the truth, those movements are the direction in which you lead or take your opponent. Basics or kihon practice is to perfect your natural instinctive ability to strike at someone or something, nothing more, nothing less. That practice will become instinctive under the stress of actual execution. Practicing in deep stances strengthen the body to more easily execute the technique in a natural posture. A video can more easily explain this, that's why I suggest watching some of the work of Michael Nguyen and others like Iain Abernathy for example. From my experience I knew of someone who was only taught one single technique and became quite proficient in its employment. As a streetfighter nonetheless.

@@tatumergo3931 obviously.

@@bilbobaggins4403 . Glad you agree...

I believe Vince is referring to: A French diplomatic scholar, George Soulié de Morant brought acupuncture to Europe in the early 1900 s after serving in China [5]. He coined the terms meridian and energy. (Source Journal of Acupuncture and Meridian Studies Volume 3, Issue 2, June 2010, Pages 67-74). I am pretty certain that this is a generally accepted explanation by now. I've even read sources that state that 'qi' was a term originally used to describe the vapour rising from food.

@@jondsloan Thank you. Will do the research. However, what does not make sense to me is that the concept did not exist prior to him coining the term. The idea that there are energy channels, and that energy runs in a very specific direction through those channels, has to be older than Morant if he coined terms to refer to these point. The points have numbers which indicate the direction of the flow of energy. The concept, although expressed through completely different channels is in aruyveda, and called nadis.

Skyler I’ve read other sources over the years that claim that the practice is rooted in Ancient Greece and was more to do with mapping astronomical patterns into the body. It’s not that far removed with medieval ‘doctors’ thinking that blood, bile and phlegm were the key balances in the human body, in my opinion.

@@jondsloan The astronomical mappings make sense, as metaphysics in both the East and the West operate on the principle of "As above, so below." While the people of the ancient world came to a lot of erroneous conclusions about the body and the natural world, that principle has lead to the atomic theory, the atomic model, and is the basis for quantum physics. There is value in some of the old; however it is necessary to view all information with a critical mind. Like I said, this is good information, but I need to do more research before I draw any conclusions.

I'm with you on this point👌

I seen the video and the reality of that was that all those involved really didn't know how to deal with it. Much less understood the mechanics or how it works. It begs to ask the question: if people are taught to defend against a punch or a kick, and a knife is nothing more than an extension of the arm or hand. Then why does it become so difficult to deal with it? Maybe the problem is with, people are not taught to knock out someone in 3 seconds...

@tatumergo3931 wrong. You're getting stabbed in a person knows what they're doing.

@@bilbobaggins4403 . That's a possibility that exists in a fight against a knife, that's why you have to avoid and eliminate all the variables beforehand. A knife attack is most dangerous when it's an ambush, then it becomes a matter of where you get stab or cut.

A Japanese aikido instructor was once asked " How do you defend yourself against a knife?". Instructor: "Irimi" Student "Irimi and then what? Instructor "Irimi whatever you like" I would take from this that if the irimi is correct you are in business, if it is wrong then it is probably curtains.

@williamweb9782 in other words...run..cause it doesn't work.

I did shotokan at a tough club for 8 years ( Enoeda sensei graded ) We used elbows and shin kicks all the time ( not full power elbows ,) but full power shin kicks We did spinning ushiro geri / stepping in ushiro geri .In fact I once had to spar with a taekwondo guy and he was shocked when I hard kicked him in the shins.

@@John-ob7dh You trained with Enoeda? Impressive! I trained with Shingo Ohgami who was a direct student of the founder of wado ryu. Enoeda is a legend. Really cool you trained with him.

@@THEMARTIALARTSCHANNEL-bb4fx I was graded by him and attended 2 separate 5 day courses in London under Enoeda.Kawasoe.kanazawa.and 2 0r 3 others i cannot remember ( this was in the 70s ) Also our club had sensei Pauline Fuller ( said to have been the best female karateka in the world ) I sparred many times with her .Did you know Enoeda was directly descended from Samurai in his family . He was nick named the Shotokan Tiger .Regards.

Have you read the medical implications of karate blows .

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