Whoa! This is a crazy crossover. As an exMormon, Britt was pivotal in my deconstruction and reconstruction process. And I've been listening to you and Angelo Dilullo for a long time now. I would love to hear a conversation between Britt and Angelo. Thank you so much for everything Britt

“Find that space that’s big enough to hold it all….having the tools without having to believe the unbelievable…” Thank you Britt and Dr Z. Looking forward to the next chat. ❤

I’m so blown away by this conversation, in such a good way!! I left seventh-day adventism a long time ago and found spirituality but nothing has ever lasted…I’ve always noticed a deep knowing that just living is where it’s at!!! I’m also a hospice nurse and liaison ~ as if I’ve been just meant to be in the raw experience of death, literally. Thank you so much for this beautiful expression!!❤️

Dude, what an amazing conversation! As someone with a similar background to you in terms of religion -> atheism, and then a slow lurch back to just realizing that we have no idea what is going on (thus I just label myself as agnostic in the ultimate sense), Britt's stuff resonates so well, even if I've never gone through truly nihilistic episodes (or super religious ones). Thanks so much for introducing her to those of us old fogies who refuse to use TikTok or Instagram! I am definitely going to pick up her book!

This is so beautiful. Thank you. I’ve left Christianity in the last couple of years and my dad is still ultra religious. It’s so painful. This is so helpful ❤

Dog, dude, I never comment. This is the best conversation I have heard in years! Truth bombs everywhere, so intelligent, thank you both!

Wow!! Z, Britt is the best guest you’ve had since introducing us to Angelo. Thank you so much for having her join you! ❤

This is beautifull! Thank you Zdog for intorducing us to her. It's a very dense conversation that could have spun off into many different directions and still would have been so this. The love and compasion is overwhelming. 🥰 Way to not screw up interviewing such a high frequency guest! 😜

ZDogg, I can always count on you to introduce me to the right people - and you’ve done it again! Thank you!!!

I can relate. I’ve found 2 women that I have been following. It’s what my soul has been yearning for. Thanks Britt for bringing this to the forefront.

As an exmormon, I've found a lot of her content to be helpful. I'm excited to learn more from this conversation, that isn't based on a common religious upbringing.

Wow, guys this gives me all the feels!! Like church without the yuck factors! And condolences, Dr for the loss of your father. I lost my mama a year ago and it was terrible. You just don't know what it's like to lose a parent until you experience it. Love love this convo, thank you!!

Awesome more stuff like this . Best stuff you produced in awhile. Great show🎉

Britt's journey is such a close reflection of my own. This was so so helpful. Made me feel all the things. Thanks for this amazing interview.

This conversation was exactly what I needed at just the right time. As a mom of a 4 yr old and a 6 month old, trying to be an effective parent while also failing much of the time, I appreciate the empathy and camaraderie with other parents on this path. Thank you for the connection!

This is by far my favorite video you’ve done. Didn’t know anything about Britt before this, but this video is just such a wonderful example of integration and “chop wood, carry water” that y’all really start to get into in the second half of the video. There’s this unease I’ve felt for a very long time in this non-duality space where most “awakened” people seem to be disregarding the human messiness of life that seems to even follow after deep insights. The trauma and conditioning still come up (and can actually be more direct and close than before), and they have to be worked through while juggling the chaos that is life. I think there are a lot of vestiges from the past and the influence of various traditions that give a flavor to enlightenment suggesting that this is something special that turns people into flawless beings. That being said, I’m also noticing a movement that seemed to start in the past couple years where people with “insights” are being more transparent and honest about life that appears to continue in conventional reality. I think people understandably have an assumption that something special is needed to overcome the deeply personal intense suffering, but actually it seems like the emergence/realization of natural, ordinary, simple “this-ness” is what allows life to miraculously heal itself over time, not some special “personal” attainment. Anyway, just wanted to say that it’s just so refreshing to finally hear something expressed that’s always felt “off” about how people often speak about non-duality and so forth ❤

I love this crossover so much! It’s the mash up I didn’t know I needed. And never expected! When I saw the thumbnail I knew I needed to click. I follow both of you. As a disenfranchised medical provider and an ex Mormon listening to you two break it all down with honest talk is giving life. Thank you ZDogg and Brit ❤

Go Britt! I hope you do more shows. You are so good at communicating the nuances in a poetic way.

Seeing this a month later - thank you so much!!! Helps with my spiritual journey as an older (69) person. Enjoyed this a lot!!!

I'm on chapter 4 of Britt's book and I'm really enjoying it.

I apologize In advance for the lack of conciseness, but this conversation sparked a lot of contemplation of my beliefs or understanding of what “God” is in contrast to religion. I was (in my mind blessed to be) raised not in a specific religion but with awareness of an exposure to many different religions. Both parents were raised with Christian backgrounds but evolved to more of an agnostic bent and a recognition of the value of structure and sense of purpose. So thanks to my environment, even as a kid, I could never understand why or how there could be only one right religion or one right way. But at the same time, I would not claim atheism, because I felt and feel like all or most of the major religions are fundamentally the same. It’s just in the interpretation of the language. What is “god?” Is that the picture painted for children of the judge in the sky? Or the fiber that connects the universe? Reading the “bibles” of many religions with a different vision of what is meant by the “god” term, and a non-literal interpretation of original scripture leads to a completely different appreciation of what is being pointed at. It seems that “atheism” is often used interchangeably with rejection of the man-made constructs of religion; but most “atheists” are more “agnostic,” recognizing the impossibility of knowing everything, but maintaining a sense of connection or community. Without that, we are left on an island of suffering, aka”hell.” And no matter what, bringing it all back to personal experience is key. Anyway, thanks for putting this out into the universe!❤

Thank you Britt for defining spirituality without a definition! So often I’ve been asked to put words to it and all I can do is feel and be. I am a kind, loving individual who is lonely in trying to explain and prove who I am. I have finally found my comfort in me being me when I embraced creating with my hands, whatever it may be. I have never felt so connected to myself.

Thank you both for sharing. Dr. Z: I appreciate you advocating for nurses from your platform. Britt: Appreciate you giving a shout out to the nurses. Have been a hospital nurse 40 years. Many of my most spiritual moments have come while caring for others, close to death. It is a privilege not taken lightly.

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="87">1:27</a>:08 yes please do another one on parenting ❤

Long time listener, first time commenting. Incredible conversation that resonated on so many levels- embodied feminine spirituality especially! As a mom of three, preschool teacher and musician, I have long felt this way and seen this as my life’s work. Thank you both for the respect and grounding I needed last week ❤️❤️

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="67">1:07</a>:21 Yes! Resonates here so fully

Thank you for sharing. I agree that spirituality can have a therapeutic effect on depression.

As a junior / elementary school teacher for 30 years, I have found that being surrounded by the craziness of the classroom but needing to remain calm and compassionate has been the greatest teacher.

That was so nourishing!!! Thanks to both of you!

Thank you both! Truth. Wisdom. Grounded. Beauty. That just might be the best interview I’ve ever heard. And I’ve heard a lot of them! Z, you are on fire. Keep it up.

People become hypnotised or enchanted by the vanity of the crusade!

Love this conversation! Ex-mo here, a friend recently introduced to Britt, and I've sooo related to her journey thru nihilism, and come to some very similar perspectives. Just bought her book, too, can't wait to read it 😊

Wow! Purchased Brit's book after this talk. Really looking forward to reading it & checking out her content. Excellent colab ZDoggMD!!

OMG, this is EXACTLY what I've been going through the last 10 years! I've been wanting to become a Humanist Chaplain in hospitals to do this kind of thing....explore the space of spirituality without blind faith in a religious ideology. I'm so happy to see this kind of message going out! It was even shared in a FB Deconstruction group.

So much resonance here. ❤ I just saw Angelo’s interview with her and traced back here. Thanks for this interview. ❤

Down to one woo .. from woo woo .. just "woo" now!

This woman is a Spiritual Samurai!

So glad to see this!! Can’t wait to watch the whole thing……..

Thank you!!!

My late mom was the religious education director of my local UU church, she was also a teacher(sub for many grades but mostly was elementary or preschool b4 the church). For me it's being a UU, I'm not always active, dont go every Sunday or anything like that. I sure did as a kid though and it did make a big impression I guess in my adult life. I chose hospice healthcare for my career and I do believe me being so strong in my knowledge of many faiths/UU stuffs it's absolutely the right path I chose. Allowed me to respectfully and compassionately do my job. My people needed me to pray w them, sure no problem bc im here for their comfort and care and not mine. My workplace is their home.

Excellent conversation. Thanks for this.

Thanks!

Thank you

This is real conversation. Opening the space to accept all points of your experience because it all belongs.

Wow that was great! Such interesting perspectives and insights. I have to rewatch this, probably more than once Thanks!❤🙏💯🤯

Have been feeling this for so long and couldn’t explain it. I thought I was alone

Wow!

This is so incredibly valuable, it’s insane. And yes, please have another talk centred around parenting. And any other topics. All the topics. You’re doin’ God’s work :P

To me, maturity looks like capacity. Can you hold both realities and go between them in a responsible way.🙏❤️☯️

Only just started watching this. But man It really bothers me that apparently so many Christians apparently habe been told not to question. I have been a Christian all my adult life and I regularly ask questions of my own faith. I believe you have to. In order for any system of belief to have any value I think thefe must be enough, not absolute, but enouh e idence and support to say ok it os resonable to believe this is most likely true. It very much falls into the same vein as scientific laws. They are only laws because we have not obsered phenomenonon where they dont work yet. When we do we analyze the previous law in light of the new evidence. The same is true of faith wrather that is in religion, science, or anything else. If I come across reaearch or a philisophical idea that discounts my faith then I have to anyze why, does thos make sense, is there any quantifiable, or qualitative data in suppory of it. If this is true how does it really line up or not with my faith. I have come across many such things that make me question my faith and have followed this. Some may consider my faith week because of my questioning, at times its myself, but it is nothing but honest. When a pastor or leader of your faith or group or what have you, starts condeming you're questioning then you know it is time to move on. If theu are honest about what they know and what they don't and invite you to investigate then they arecat leadt seeking the truth as much as you are. As far as Christianity goes it invites questioning, it invites investigation. (The people who say they are Christians may not sadly) Does this mean every thing will be explained all at once, no. Will you understand all there is to God no. But you will continually learn more and more. You should always persue truth to the best of your ability. What you believe is only valuable to the extent that it points to the truth.

Was thrilled to see this on my news feed, its like two giants colliding!!! Love yiu hoth Listen to her Mormon Story Podcast interview with John Dehlin, also incredible and life changing. I'm on ch 3 of her book,. it's so meaty I have to digest it in small bites!

The Everything Bagel 😂

Wow ❤

Hmm yeah.. spirituality is like a way to improve the queality of your dreams. It's like you're dreaming of being in the ocean with your board ,but there aren't any waves. Sp spirituality may provide the waves.. but what you really want to do is wake up from the dream and see reality :)

OK Z why I stop locals was because of many different reasons but dude I am coming back 😂👏👏👏 I am a JW in recovery cults are breaking apart

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I also think irony is part of the psychological development. We have to be comfortable with the ironic life we live in as an adult otherwise we won't have the capacity to live.

During this interview they briefly referenced a TED talk regarding life being a simulation / virtual reality. I cannot remember the name they mentioned. Can someone give me that name or link to the TED talk?

People die before or after date of his or her birthday and thier is a sign of permission ( PA NGITAIN ) before death.Who knows nobody know but possible might be could be..Life is mysterious

You've got to speak to John Vervaeke the cognitive scientist

This is omnism. Omnism what is common between ALL religions. The basis of all religions without the ONE aspect that separates each religion from each other. This is inclusion. The foundation.

Interesting conversation, but, I'll take Jesus instead.

Z I love your pauses and reactions like you just ate the best thing ever, mmm...., delicious, so unique

There is no true spirituality without a grain of naughtiness...

No one needs the various cults that humans invent to have purpose and meaning to their lives. Us humans give that to ourselves and each other. No evidence for the supernatural so it seems rather pointless to claim that.

So much talk about NOTHING!😄

Why did it take so long for these two …. “IDEAS” to merge? FFS…

Arrogant word salad.

Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Time is getting late. One Holy Bible, its a relationship not religion.