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No one ever mentions that Shane was willing to sacrifice himself first and let Otis go on ahead. But Otis refused to leave Shane behind so he took matters in his own hands and left Otis behind instead.

The decision to keep Shane around during the farm arc was one of the best of the entire show

Shane wanted to raise Rick's kid, but rick ended up raising Shane's

Shane killing the walkers in the barn was the reality check everyone needed. And if he didn't do that they would've been looking for Sophia forever and more people would've died. He was right about almost everything, but he was so unstable and eratic that Rick had no choice.

Crazy, how characters that ended Years ago, are still heavily debeated, shows you how good the writing was!

Lori goes under the radar as a villain, she is a narcissist that manipulated and emotionally abused Shane countless times

Rick adapted to the apocalypse, Shane succumbed to it because he wasn't able to live with himself. Shane is just like The Governor, grief took his humanity and in the end he was too far gone.

A big part of him deciding on killing Rick was Lori saying Sorry and Thanks which he misinterprets as wanting him back. Both Sarah Wayne Callies and Jon Bernthal agreed on that part in the behind the scenes. This was an excellent video from an excellent content creator. His guilt tears him apart and distorts his world view even more than he already had. I love Jon Bernthal, He's my favorite actor and I was introduced to him from his portrayal of Shane Walsh.

shane was the best parts of both seasons if you pay attention to everything he does , it makes sense and he was put in bad situations to help the group

I liked Shane because he was the tank of the group. The one who got shit done and could throw a punch. It's a shame that he was only arround 2 seasons.

Shanes' worst downfall is that he didn't know or practice the balance between knowing that you can't use others as any reason to exist and not to be totally selfish either. Being too selfish or selfless, can both be bad extremes.

Completely perfect explanation. I couldn’t have said it any better, Lori fed the fire just as Shane had seemed to have come to accepting that he had to let go of her/Carl. It’s like he was ALMOST out and she pulled him back in and ultimately led to him just succumbing to his feelings.

I think one of the main things that opened Shane’s eyes to this new world was seeing the hospital staff being gunned down in the hospital in the very beginning, when he was trying to wake Rick up. He saw that they were killing Live people. I think that had a bigger effect on him than he or anyone realized.

Shane saw Sophia and Dale die under Rick’s leadership and Carl get shot and almost die. Shane wasn’t insane for thinking Rick couldn’t protect Lori and Carl because of that due to Rick being indirectly responsible for both Sophia and Dale’s deaths and Shane saw Rick as weak for not wanting to kill Randall who was a direct threat to the group and who tried to kill Carl.

Andrew Lincoln and John Bernthal are 2 of the best actors alive today, and it's a shame Andrew doesn't do more acting.

I don't know if this was done on purpose, but the fact that whenever someone directly confronts Shane, he can barely bring himself to look at them does a nice job of accentuating his shade and inner conflict.

No one mentions Shane saying “lemme tell you somethin’ “ and “lemme ask u sum”

The constant back-and-forth that she shows him between venom and regret it enough to drive anyone over the edge Especially when there’s nothing else to focus on

Rick waking up 30 to 60 days in to the Apocalypse made all the difference.

I've never considered shane a villain. He was always an antagonist. I never labeled him an antihero, he was just a dude who got fucking traumatized by life. More a cautionary tale

The Dying Light music goes crazy

I wish Shane was in at least three or four seasons. Two felt like we didn't get enough of him.

Never really thought about how Shane could’ve probably been saved had they let him father Judith. Very good point.

people forget that Shane assaulted Lori at the cdc. And he didn’t seem to care. Shane was a villain. His obsession with her was his worst trait

"I know what kind of man you are."

I always thought in Shanes earlier conversations with Lori that he did make a lot of sense, just wanting to talk and being told to go away and leave the whole family alone is just harsh and doesnt alllow anyone to heal, its childish from lori and very mature from shane until he just snaps basically

I really wish Shane was sent away rather than killed. It would've been one of the greatest story arcs if he came back seasons later as a villain. Like the leader of A group similar to the claimers Darrell ended up with.

Lori was the real villain of those seasons

Shane wasnt a bad guy at heart he just wanted to do what he thought he had to do. My favorite explanation was that he adapted too quickly to the new world. I feel like the only difference between shane and what rick would become is that shane had anger issues and was to extreme about everything and toward the end he went insane, namely in his last episode where you can see it as hes losing his shit with randall and that is when shane turned into "the bad guy" and even then he wasnt really bad he was just so mentally ill.

A scene most people don't bring up is from season 2, after the barn had been dealt with, Shane found Carol wandering around and calmly took her and sat her down and began to wash her muddy hands. "I want you to know that I'm real sorry for your daughter....I was just trying to keep everybody safe." Carol responds with "thank you". Shane cared about the entire group. He defended carol against Ed multiple times, he took Andrea under his wing, he trained everyone to shoot etc. Yes, Shane did some messed up stuff, but it was clear it never acted with ill intent.

Shane would've made a model savior.

Am i the only one who thinks that Shane didn't wanna kill Rick at the end? He provoked Rick multiples times and had enough time to kill him but he didn't. I think he realised that he couldn't lead the group anymore and trusted Rick to be the one to do it. Therefore killing his best friend in order for Rick to change and be the good leader and protecter of the group and his family.

I noticed while rewatching the first two season of the show I noticed that in the second to last episode of season two where Lori apologizes and realizes Shane’s feelings were valid and so were hers there was a glimmer of hope for Shane. He was willing to let everything go since he got the closure that he needed from Lori, he later went out of his way to tell Rick he should really check in on HIS son but by this point Shane had drove in his philosophy and message so damn far into Rick’s head that Rick was already to untrusting of Shane and was already becoming like Shane that he started being argumentative over his family. This lead to Shane no longer being able to love peacefully with Rick anymore. I firmly believe Shane was right to act the way he did, Considering the circumstances but in the end it was his fault for being so ahead of the curve that it ruined every friendship he had

I don't understand how no one talks about the cdc scene with Shane and Lori 🤦

This is a great video and thank you for making it. There’s more than meets the eye to Shane who is often written off as a deranged villan or the apex chad of survival that played 5d meta chess. He was a clever, pragmatic survivor and capable leader that meant well when it came to protecting the group but could and often was an obsessive hot head when people refused to listen. He was his own worst enemy under stress as Rick mentioned to Herschel and Andrea. For better or worse I saw a lot of myself in this character and think if people take an honest look at themselves they may find more similarities to Shane than they’d care to admit. If I can make an analogy: Rick is classic Spider-Man , Shane after Rick returns and the majority of season 1 is like black suit Spider-Man with the Symbiote, not worlds apart from being a classic protagonist but clearly more aggressive with a no nonsense attitude in his judgments. He teeters back an fourth a bit in season 2 - struggling with his inner demons much like Spider-Man did but he ultimately gave in to becoming venom, a dark mirror foil of his former best friend in his last couple of episodes

One thing you didn't touch on is the argument than Shane would have been a good leader. Shane didn't care about the group, he only cared about Lori and Carl. In S2E5 he said to Lori "The only thing I care about now in this world is you and Carl. So I apologize if I appear to be insensitive to the needs of others, but you see I'll do whatever it takes to keep the two of you safe." Shane wouldn't take risks for others in the group, he wouldn't even attempt to help the 6 members of his group stuck at the department store in S1, he wanted to give up looking for Sophia, he sacrificed Otis, he didn't put any value on other members of the group..... Rick did, he went after Glenn when he was captured by G in the retirement home, he went in to rescue Glenn and Maggie at Woodbury, he went to find Herschel after the barn scene (which Shane was against doing) Rick valued the group as a whole.... in S3E15 Rick says to the group "I couldn't sacrifice one of us for the greater good because WE ARE the greater good... We're the reason we're still here, not me." Rick realized that while he was the leader it was the entire group's efforts that helped them stay alive. Shane didn't get that, so in my opinion Shane would NOT have made a good leader because of his lack of value he put on the group as a whole. Rick helped create loyalty among the group where they took risks to defended each other and that is what made them strong.

Shane didint get as much plot armor for the seasons honest he and rick should have been in seasons more together

Love how despite Shane completely losing his mind,willing to do whatever it takes to protect Lori and Carl, he still couldn’t bring himself to kill Rick, he could’ve just shot him straight away,but he kept delaying the moment,asking for Rick’s gun even tho he didn’t need it at all,gave Rick multiple chances to do something.I still believe that if Rick didn’t stab him Shane would’ve lowered his gun

I finished rewatching season 2 a few days ago and I was thinking about a vid made by you about Shane, amazing. Love your TWD content

People always forget that Shane’s gun wasn’t even loaded. He went into that fight wanting to die.

Dying Light and Far Cry 5 music??? Bro was cooking 🔥🔥

Awesome video. Shane is certainly one of the best written characters in, not just the TV series, but the franchise as a whole. Question, how would you have handled the Randall situation? Personally, I would've gone with Maggie's suggestion to keep him prisoner because I think his group would've found the farm regardless, and it would be better to have some sort of bargaining chip. Daryl's critique of this suggestion was that Randall would just be another mouth to feed, but my counterargument would be to just starve Randall rather than give him the same amount of food everyone else gets (Lori's idea to rashen better should also help this suggestion alot).

Man that frycry5 music played at the end puts me in my feels every time. Great a analysis, shane propelled the group to where they need to be in terms of combat, levels of trust, finding a strong hold to call home, and then pushed rick to be the leader he needed to be to survive.

the dying light theme was icing on the cake well done

Please keep doing these walking dead videos, they’re so good

I love Shane heck he is one of my favorite characters and this is how I have always thought but I wasn’t sure if I was right. I feel Lori led him on too much. Also he tried to get Otis to sacrifice him but Otis wouldn’t so it was either 3 people dead(Carl too) or one person dead and Shane chose correct even if it was wrong to do. Sometimes the correct thing isn’t always the right thing to do. Shane is one of the most complex characters and deserves more love. Top three in my book. Lemme tell you sumthin they in the woooooooods man.

Man!! This was a great video, I truly enjoyed this.

Tv Shane is one of my favorite characters ever from anything. So happy they fleshed him out in the show as he was barely in the comics

Thats why he keeps telling people "Let me tell you somethin"😂

Keep up the great work! I knew the actor who played shane was gonna do more great things, he really sold the character more than any other from season one besides Daryls brother, i forget his name at the moment, he also played his chatacter very well!

Once he tried forcing himself on Lori after she repeatedly said no at the CDC center he was irredeemable to me. I don't care if she "led him on", she didn't deserve to have him grab her and push himself against her like that when she didn't want that.

You earned a subscription from me. Always found Bernthal's portrayal to be Incredible. Every step along his narrative path, I UNDERSTOOD where Shane was coming from. It was logical. In that insane world with unknowable pressures, he reacted like a human would, at every step.

Great Video! You should probably make a video on why Lori was so disliked by fans. She is indirectly responsible for how he reacted. How she used his unborn child to keep her family together was terrible!!

That’s a way I never really looked at it. Shane KNEW what it took to survive more so than Rick but he didn’t HAVE what it took to survive and he let selfish desires drive him off the deep end. I gotta say I been binging your twd vids and they’re really good! Great video man

Shane was the Boromir of TWDU.

Props to you this is the best shane analysis ive ever seen. You hit the nail on its head.

Shane was everything he was supposed to be in the new world but he was way ahead of his time. Ppl still had their morals and souls and hadn’t adjusted yet to the world but Shane adjusted immediately. He’s definitely a villain but I believe he would’ve survived if it wasn’t for Lori. I stick by that till this day.

I’d really like to see more walking dead character deep dives like this one, I feel like I understand Shane’s character way more now & this was a different perspective than what most say about Shane.

I think a lot of people forget the emotional turmoil Shane goes through, literally most logical people would assume Rick was dead, he was comatose in a hospital filling with the dead, there was no reason to believe Rick would recieve the care required to survive let alone not be shot or eaten Not only that but he steps up for Ricks family and does keep them safe, so from his perespective he's being emotionally tortured for thinking his best friend was dead and trying to take care of his family (yes getting with lori could be considered a bit weird or cold but this sort of thing isnt abnormal for people who survive great traumatic events together)

Shane we only got 2 seasons of Shame.

I disagree that he wasn't made for the new world. If he had the right support system around him, he could've easily have survived to the later seasons. Like Morgan early on, they both face tremendous trauma. Morgan being the one who caused his son death and his wife being a walker. Shane witnessing the bombing of ATL, seeing people getting shot in the hospital, and being forced to kill Otis. All which they both had to internalize for a long while. Morgan was able to heal with Eastman while Shane had essentially no one. The group saw him as an outcast because he was on another level. He had the tools to be built for the new world, but he needed it in a timely manner to process it. Like every other character. I get what you and Robert were saying but there's a nuance. Someone like Dale wasn't built for the new world no matter how long they had to process it. Due to who they are as a person. Everything else though, spot on. I'd love a video where you show the parallels between Rick and Shane.

I really really think everyone forgets what he did to Lori in the cdc. And how early that is in the show. "If shane had lived to meet negan-" but he didnt. Shane was an adult man who consciously and consistently made decisions that would only benefit him or would intentionally harm others. Shane was willing to kill rick, even early on. He was willing to hurt people, even early on. His reaction to Rick returning and Lori changing her mind about him (BY THE WAY. AS SHE SHOULD? Her 'dead' husband just showed up out of nowhere, after his best friend told her he was dead for certain.) was to be an asshole to Carl? And to try to socially shoulder check Rick? Everyone praises him for being strong enough to open the barn, but Rick is the one who put Sophia down.

Shane compromised his position of leadership when he decided not to assist the group on a trip into Atlanta. On a surface level, Shane was right that it wasn't worth risking all their lives for Merle and some guns, but it was the moment everyone shifted their allegiance towards Rick. Rick was willing to risk his life to save Merle, and it was that act of selflessness that built trust and loyalty. Rick continued acting this way consistently throughout both seasons. So, it seemed like no matter what Shane would say or do, or how right he was, which was often, he just came off as a total prick that couldn't win the loyalty of the group. Every time he was given a chance to help someone, he would have the mentality of leaving them behind. He made an exception to help Carl, but he botched that by murdering Otis. I sympathize with Shane, but I also see how Rick was ultimately the right choice to lead moving forward. If nothing else, Shane was used as the tool in helping harden Rick into the person he needs to become in order to survive. Shane was the first bump in the road in what would eventually turn a whole lot worse as time progresses.

I was prepared to type up a whole diatribe if this was going to engage in a bunch of "well actually Shane was 100% the good guy" nonsense. Glad to see a much more nuanced and measured take. I'm so annoyed by people who can't accept complex characterization; or deconstructive themes, both of which Shane's arc contains. Watching a compelling, relatable character come undone and make decisions that make you uncomfortable is one of my favorite things in media and I'm genuinely saddened so many people just can't accept it for some reason. Love the Dying Light soundtrack btw.

" Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don't believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes." -Quark. Even hundreds of years into the future humanity never changes

dying light music in the background was unbelievably smooth

This is a fantastic character breakdown. I felt Shane's struggle. JB was phenomenal in his portrayal.

Shane was never an antagonist until his last episode.

Lori made Shane a villain, if she didn't bounce back and forth and just set it straight they were done but they could co parent Judith, he wouldnt have hated Rick so much and they would probably have been unstoppable.

Ngl Lori is one of the biggest reasons why Shane is the way he is, they both were at fault and she blamed him for it and continuously gaslighted him. how was he supposed to know Rick would survive that shi(regardless that doesn’t justify the actions to sleep with your bros wife bc he’s “dead”)

Great video as always. Maybe next vid about " what if Glenn never died " or sth. Anyway, love your conctent bro, keep it up < 3

The Lori situation is a perfect example of tragic irony. Shane thought that he was the guy to protect her. Lori ends up dying during childbirth, the birth of Shane’s child. Shane inadvertently killed Lori because of his obsession with her. If he never impregnated Lori, she may have survived far further into the series.

Even in the end I feel like Shane was trying to show Rick how the new world is. Shane understood the complexity of the situation, him and Lori being together, Rick unexpectedly comes back in the picture, Lori ends up pregnant with Shane's baby. Rick becomes the leader of the group. Now Shane was glad to have his friend back and didn't mind following Rick's lead however Rick and the group had yet to adapt in the Apocalyptic world they we're in. Throughout most of the second season you see Shane constantly trying to convince Rick the reality of it all. In the end, he was pretty far gone but his final mindset was "Rick if you're not going to step up to the plate for the group and your family/my family then I will."

I noticed you used the far cry 5 sound track. As beautiful as the far cry 5 soundtrack is I always found is a bit creepy almost like a cult trying to lure you in with some heart warning and welcoming music which is perfect for the games plot. So even in the home screen when that song played it always gave me a feeling of unease

The use of the 28 weeks later and far cry 5 music is very nice

Laurie was extremely flippant with the way she treated Shane She could’ve shown compassion, but chose not to He asked her if she meant it when she asked him to stay? She probably didn’t even even remember saying it

randomly came across this video, and I think you did a great job with it. you hear a lot of people say that Shane was built for the apocalypse, but you addressed an interesting angle in saying that in reality he couldn’t cope with it. I remember hearing about an original script, where, when Rick kills Shane, he tries to use Shane’s gun to put him down when he reanimates, but it was empty - meaning that Shane never really meant to kill Rick, and just wanted to trick Rick into killing him because he couldn’t do it himself

He was made for the new world he was alone against all odds and still made a huge huge impact on the main character and the setting of the show

Love the addition of the 28 weeks later soundtrack

Shane tried to assault lori

I love how you used dying light soundtrack

this video was very well done and had a good structure with clear points and examples of those points

The Dying Light soundtrack in the beginning was a chef’s kiss

Lori acted like a yoyo towards Shane. She tells him to leave her family alone, then gets pissed at Shane for snuffing Coral. One minute she thanks him then the next she's blaming him for something. Tells him to stay, tells him to go. She contributed to what Shane became.

Sloppy seconds will get you killed.... two farmers daughters and he's whipped over USED

I think Shane was accepting things until Lori felt the need to alleviate her own guilt for how she treated him and had him come off the ladder to talk to him. He wanted her and fatherhood more than ever after that so-called vulnerability she displayed. Soon after he attempted to kill Rick

love the dying light and farcry music, fits so well surprisingly

You are the second person I've heard share this take with me, the first being my dad. When the series was airing, the two of us both agreed that Shane's downfall was MOSTLY Lori's fault. The second Rick came back into the picture, she wanted to ghost Shane: No talking to her, no talking to Carl, thanks for everything you did for us now fuck off. Fast forward, there's the matter with Judith. It's yours, Shane, but if you think you get to raise her? Tough shit -- she's going to be Rick's daughter. Then she goes back and forth on being nice to him, to being a bitch, and like you said Shane didn't trust Rick to have what it took to keep her safe, and while it doesn't excuse how he turned out, it does help paint a picture of WHY he turned out like that. I am 100% confident that Shane would have let Rick step back into the picture, so long as Lori didn't forbid him from interacting with Carol, accepted that he was Judith's dad and let him play that role, and didn't just outright tell him to fuck off whenever it came to Rick. He may have ended up butting heads with Rick, but I don't think he would have tried to shoot him, and by the time the Prison came around, I think Shane would have started seeing Rick as more able -- at least for a while -- of keeping Carl safe. Don't know how he would have reacted to Lori's death, honestly, but if he didn't lose his shit there I think Judith would have kept him going.

Lori was the problem, not Shane. Lori drove him insane.

I actually feel bad for him. Shane had to adapt quickly, he had two people who depended on him. In a way their lives mattered more than his. Shane lives in a morally grey area. While he is driven by self interest and desires, those choice saved lives. I know people see him as the first real victim we meet and get to know but he wasn’t wrong but he wasn’t right either.

I love the dying light music in the background

thinking of it like that is actually horrible.. they killed Judith's dad and she doesnt even know he existed, all because the mother she never knew didnt want to grant her real father his fatherhood. Damn, i'm really feeling sorry for Judith and Shane now, Judith could have basically had 2 dad's and maybe 2 mum's but they literally drove her father insane then put him down like a dog.

Lori drove that man insane

You summed him up well.Always loved shane! He was so often right and knew what had to be done but he was not able to shoulder that burden. Especially when both Lorrie and Rick try to remove him from Judith. I raged at Rick to just acknowledge Shane had some claim to Judith who knows maybe that would have been enough. Poor Shane. He likely would have been a 'great' dad in an apocalypse but everything was taken from him and he was right that rick was too weak then. There is a reason he suicided by cop. Fantastically done character who buckles under the weight and superbly acted by Jon Bernthal!

Rick was even willing to give Shane a chance to just leave Carl and Lori to him, despite all he had already done. He understood that Shane thought he was dead and so did Lori. The fact that he was able to not only keep himself composed knowing that, but also give Shane another chance because he loved him as his best friend, shows that he was a better leader than Shane. However I do have to say this one thing, Shane was 100% right about Randal. Killing him would have ensured their safety. If Rick had wanted to give Randal a chance to prove himself an ally, that's one thing...let him live in the barn until he can prove he was trustworthy and useful. But he wanted to let him go...that's just the worst possible thing you could do.

Shane was just ahead of the curve. Dale said it, he was made for this world. Shane filled possibly one of the most satisfying moments I've seen in TV when he beat down Carol's abusive husband. Too bad he let Lori's sugar walls get to him. He would've been great if he had lasted longer on the series

I always blamed Lori for Shanes break. She was so hot and cold with him. He pretty much lost his girlfriend and his son and his new baby

him wanting to keep Lori and carl safe wasn't really selfish. i don't think he's a villain and although he did desire her, carl probably had more to do with it than she did. he needed something to protect to keep going. idk if that's selfish, maybe something else. he did accept rick as a leader even though he had no real reason to be leader over that group. every decision rick made early put the group at jeopardy. he literally watched the sinking ship. he betrayed rick in the end but not from lack of trying to support him.

I'm in the middle of rewatching Season 2 right now and Shane really steals the show. I'm not diminishing the other characters or actors though, they all had great moments as well.