Well said

@@falkyraizu3063 saying that also negates the fact that lion turtles existed for thousands upon thousands of years and were hunted to near extinction well before the first comet. Of course people didn't go around saying they learned from the lion turtles, because no one knew they still existed. They knew how people learned to use the elements, but not where they got that ability. Lion turtles were thought to be a legend, mythological beings. Yes, waterbenders learned from the moon, but they had that ability already. By your argument, why doesn't Sokka become a waterbender, if he can just learn the ability from the moon? Why doesn't every non-bender become a waterbender if that's how they can do it?

Precisely.

@@falkyraizu3063 Researching the world you are writing about is important. It's also quite the bold claim to accuse the writers of LOK of not doing any. So looking at the ideas with this video was how the powers were granted by The Lion Turtles and the advanced martial arts, what became know as Bending, was learned by observation the people made of nature. Then the people passed down the art of bending and the story of how they developed it. I think the video did a great job of this, I don't have any points to add. It is a fact of the show that the water manipulation power has a strong connection with the Moon cause of what happens during "Siege of the North". Spirit of the Moon is in trouble and the people of the Northern Watertribe weren't even Water Splashers. This just shows waterbending has a spiritual source for this power it. So what is said about the relationship between the Moon and water benders. Yue says, "The legends says the Moon was the first water bender. Our ancestors saw how it pushed and pulled the tides and learned how to do it themselves." Katara mentioned how she noticed her bending is stonger at night. "Our strength comes from the spirit of the Moon our Life comes from the Spirit of the Ocean. They work together to keep balance." Please note the first two words Yue used, "The Legends..." meaning Yue is stating this information is a story is, perhaps based on some history, but is mainly a story these people use as part of their personal cultural understanding and identity. Which is kinda the point of this video to put forth the idea that the Lion Turtles bestowed the power/ability for manipulate the elements to people and the people left to settle the wilderness. Then over time those people learned to develope the martial art of bending by observing nature and telling those stories and eventually forgetting about the Lion Turtles. Also remember it had been almost 10 thousand years between those events in the story, which is all of human history is about the same length, and while the legends say that Rome was founded by two boys who had where raised by wolves but I'm fairly sure that isn't correct.

I have some things to put to Firstly legends are true if they are achivable, not to magical. It is often said a legend if there are two parties who have diff and opposit thoughts. It is said a legend to resoect others thinking too. This is why moon being a original teachers is a legend because 1: Lion turtle gave power, moon shoed how to harness the power and how to control and use it. 2: some may think moon just gave some power. I believe for 1 because, that also prooves why some are non benders and some are not. Lion turtles gave power to only those who left for the wild, while those who stayed among them didnt get the powers. After lion turtles going away I think people of same origin(element turtle) lived together in a community, thus those who left earlier were benders , while those who stayed non benders. This also tells why there are diff benders in 1 regions, as those who left the turtles might have lived in a diff turtle community in that area they reached, not the one they came from(like bolin and mako’s parents being diff benders, {or they moved due to formation of republic city, idk}). This also tells why moon doesnt make people benders, since it teaches the how(bending) , not the why ( ability to control element). Plus i think ATLA is very accurate genetically. lion turtles were able to mutate a person’s genes, making them benders or non benders instantaneously , and since mutations shows in the offspring, the childrne of benders would be benders too. Plus , the reason of children of people were benders or not might be due to dominance or receciveness of a gene in a family. Since 2 dominant parents will produce recessive chikdran too( talking in terms of genes ,not behaviour). And i thin lions controled genes would be recessive or dominant in a particular person, due to non benders and nonbendres also produced benders( making non bending dominant here) while 2 benders produced non benders ( as in case of bumi)

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@@falkyraizu3063 Yes, it is true waterbenders gained their powers from the moon, but they could loosely be referring to how their bending is amplified by the presence of it, mirroring how the firebenders are to the comet, and their acquisition of the motion of the ocean can resonate to a certain motion/technique to efficiently execute their bending. TLOK clearly lacked the necessary time it needed for a more efficient delivery of both story and writing, and that's a fact, but it does not necessarily mean both the possibilities and hints of its supposed clear connections to ATLA are invalid. It entirely depends upon the fans themselves at this point, if they're willing to either fill up that connection for themselves, wait for the writers to fully clarify things up in a later story, or not at all.

@@falkyraizu3063 Princess Yue explained that the Legend explained how their ancestors learned from the Moon how to push and pull the tides, like the motion of the ocean. She then mentioned how the Moon gave their people "strength" and the ocean gave them their "life". That can mean so many things, since it remains as another of many Legends in the Avatar lore, and its still ripe for further exploration. The Legend never stated that absolutely no one had some connection to manipulate water before the Moon and Ocean Spirits came and sacrificed their immortality to really "integrate" themslves into the mortal world. Until then (or the point that we get clearer and official bits from the writers themselves) then people are free to remain open to the possibilites of the lore or not. Your criticism on how the writers were on LOK is all right since its your opinion (since LOK factually received diminished attention and development due to the issues between Nickelodeon and Bryke), and we all have our own/personal views, but again we really can't blame some fans for thinking/seeing the lore in one way or another.

@@falkyraizu3063 Was that interview pre or post LOK? I can only take what they remarked in that interview with a grain of salt, since they still have to factor in what Princess Yue specifically explained about her people's ancient past. Regardless, the implications of having acquired power from the moon freely remains to be questionnable, unless they exactly specify the process of how that works, whether it involves either ability or technique to bend, but again the Avatar lore is vast and the best everyone can do is stick to what has been given, theorize for themselves, and wait for more content from the writers. I won't settle for only what ATLA presented to us long ago while scrutinizing every detail in LOK just because it idealistically makes sense to either me or the ones urging others what it should be, as it would just take most of not all of the fun out of it anyways. However, the point you're making with how new introductions that "break" the establishments of the originals, is borderline subjective. Whenever the facts are given, and new things are added later down the line, especially in fictional lore, it is definitely your call whether that sounds about right or not, as it remains to be fiction* and its still progressing*. I won't be surprised if some things didn't make sense now then suddenly made sense later on and vice versa. I apologize if we really see differently on these little things in the lore, but expecting everyone should see things how it all should idealistically be in the first place is not practical. You can be open to what is so far** introduced, without having the urge to invalidate what others perceive from the same lore.

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@@AntoineBandele Fandom simplifies things way too much imo

Exactly!!

It’s crazy how you can mention this scene to people who say the lore was ruined and they’ll straight up not accept it.

@@flameheadshero How is this a good explaination when firebenders just shot fire without fancy martial art most of the time that weren't the main chars? It's a weak argument. By your logic, those firebenders are not benders.

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Well, not necessarily. If they came way after Wan, they could’ve just inherited the power like everyone else in the show. (Like how katara or Zuko never met a lion turtle, they just had the ability. )

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Yeah just like dragon teach wan how to firebend

Facts!

It doesn't even conflict with ATLA. Think of it like this- The lion turtles gave them weapons. They can now defend themselves. Does that mean that they are PROFICIENT with that weapon? No! By watching how animals use similar tools and weapons, they became the Benders we know today.

@@matthewwilliams8267 Benders are never classified being less or proficient to be called a bender. Southern Watertribe went after anyone with water bending ability.

@@matthewwilliams8267 actually I still think it’s conflicting with atla. I do understand that having the power of an element is not the same as bending, but where the conflict comes in is with the Oma and Shu story. They’re supposed to be the ‘FIRST’ earthbenders, and they learnt from badgermoles, they never even got it from a lion turtle. According to the beginnings story, there were earthbenders even before avatar wan. Antoine said in this video that Oma and Shu probably lived on the earth lion turtle, but according to their story show that was not the case. The story said they came from two different villages at war, they built a cave to secretly meet and Oma then built the city of Omashu to end the war. The fact that the city of Omashu and the cave are still in existence while lion turtles are gone, that shows clearly that they were never on any lion turtle.

@@chiefcleve1834 unless the story takes place soon after the disappearance of lion turtles, (since we don't know how old Wan was when he died) and probably were from two different Lion Turtle Villages that just so happen to settle next to each other. And given how they never go into detail on EXACTLY how long they'd been Pebble Pushers (just that they are) they could've been given the ability before the story or born with it. The ambiguity of anything outside of the story means this could've taken place 1 week after Vaatu's Sealing, or 30-50 years after.

Yeess

Couldn’t have explained better

i agree with the explanation about how people learned to bend from both lion turtles and the original benders, but theres still a contradiction with the avatar state. avatar roku says that the avatar state and glowing eyes is the power of the past avatars flowing through you, but the beginnings episode says that the avatar state is the power of raava flowing through you. idk i could be wrong.

@@lightningbolt4049 why can’t the avatar state be the combined power of the past avatars and raava? It makes sense as raava essentially is a part of an avatar.

@@pointseventhree makes sense. That way the avatar state would get more powerful as time goes on, because there would be more avatars to power the avatar state.

THANK YOU!!! I always thought them just learning how to bend from the sky bisons, dragons, and bagger moles, and the moon a bit weird. It didn't take me away from the show, but i always questioned that they must of gotten their bending from a power source or something, and then learned the martial arts of it from the original benders. What do you know korra comes around, and that exactly what happens

YES!! Like did this people even watch the Beginning episodes???

For me personally it wasn't the bending that I was most upset about, but the way they made spirits and the spirit world look literally and thematically. This video does clear up a lot of things about the origin of bending though that I was nice.

@@EFlame01 I think people prefer ATLA's spirit world because it was more mysterious.

For me it wasn't something needed, and it took away a lot of the weight from 10,000 year and...A thousand lifetimes probably?...of The Avatars.

They probably already know, they did make it afterall

That would be incredible if the reveal is that he died during that very same conflict.

That's a helluva theory. It may hold weight, as the shape of Omashu's structure is similar to how we see the one Aang travels on.

@@jonathanjohnson6727 So even in death, the Earth Lion Turtle provides the people living on it's back with shelter and protection.

That’s honestly pretty dope.

But the Lion Turtle could be alive. There was one still alive in ATLA because it taught Aang to energy bend. Some think it might have been the Fire Lion Turtle

Cinda creepy to be honest

might...?

Jordan Habibi yes might. Because as much sense as it makes it’s still just a theory, A BENDING THEORY!!

Captain kiwi it’s not even a theory, it’s a fact at this point, in l’ok we even see the difference between a bender that trained with dragons and benders that didn’t, there is no room for other theories because this is the only one that is true and makes sense

I'm still confused by it

@@stephenasunnamedsource2943 Think of bending like a musical instrument. A friend gives you an instrument, that doesn't mean you can actually play it. You need to go out and learn how to do it from a teacher. Same with bending. How is that confusing?

@@supereinstien001 My confusion comes from the fact that Bending then should be considered and explained as a genetic trait then. It isnt passed down to everyone right? Not every person can Bend an element.

@@stephenasunnamedsource2943 i think that its likely that bending is passed down from parents to kids but its not whats going to happen every time. katara can bend even though her parents cant, and its possible to have a nonbender with bender parents.

She also said she is the last waterbender in the whole southern water tribe. Southern raiders went after all waterbenders, and their intel know someone in the village was the last waterbender who was Katara despite being a little child and wasn't a master. Zuko was thought to be a non-bender at first by Ozai when he was born. This entire theory goes against the book and the original's definition.

@@iwannasleepplz That one is a weird case, what would you have had her say explain it to Aang, then? "I am the only person in the southern water tribe that has to potential to become a waterbender?"

@@may83195 I think the dialogue cut the word "master" or Katara was a sithome mom-model for the village, her duties always concerned looking after the village so she never had time to bend to learn and practice, so she only thought she could never be what she was. They wanted to go the north pole to become waterbending masters. Then Katara at the north pole earned the title of "Master", not waterbender as she was already waterbender. Before going to the north, Katara were already refered as waterbender. Aang refered to him and Katara as "two waterbenders" in the pirate episode. Even when only think she knew was pushing and pulling water, she was refered as a waterbender, and what she has done as waterbending.

YES YES GIVE ME THIS!!! That's one of my biggest issues with book 3, and i feel like people don't bring that up enough. We really don't know that much about the red lotus organization as whole. I feel like we should get a story that goes a bit more into that, and Zaheer's group. It could also tie in with more information about the white lotus as well bcz we don't know too much of the white lotus either imo

*writes idea for fanfic down*

The moles, the dragons, the flying bison, and the moon

Yeah think about it how in atla and lok the benders had to rely on masters to teach them. Back then they relied on the actual animals who naturally blended the elements.

@@kemiodunaike yeah that’s why Toph and Iroh are so strong they studied the animals for so long. That’s why the northern water tribe is so strong. They study the ocean and moon spirit

That actually got me thinking about this too.

I was thinking about that too

I believe this is a possibility. Oma might be the 4th Avatar all along

I like this idea

Just think about the avatar after wan. The air bender would freak out when he/she figured out bender multiple elements was possible. A real understanding of the concept of the avatar probably wasnt there for the first avatars. No guidance probably.

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the city on top of the lion turtle IS OMASU

This way oma and su are the first to take earthbending and learn how to use it

I mean… we don’t KNOW that she wasn’t one of the early avatars. Back when people weren’t used to the idea enough for it to have been recorded in history.

it's very much possible, and is a valid theory. If oma and shu weren't around during wan's lifetime, then i would imagine the story would have taken place shortly after; if oma were an avatar, she'd probably be the first earth avatar.

I don't think anyone was saying there was an Omashu contradiction. The contradictions he was refering to are "The first show said (Dragons, badger moles, moon/tides, bisons) were the first benders and taught humans. But now Korra says Lion Turtles gave it to humans. That is just retcnonning and contradiction!" But he, and many others, say that it's possible for both to be true. It's not retconning.

@@GuillermoSmyser Oh you're right for the most part. But there were plenty of people using the Omashu origin as an example as to how the Beginnings origin for bending was a contradiction.

@@GuillermoSmyser Changing what was established is by definition retcon thought. Adding on what is established is retcon as well.

@@Drake00000010 no it isn't

@@scaredofsociety6351 it is saying that originally it was one thing and then changing it later is a retcon

It’s not being blind from nostalgia... ATLA ended in 2008 with a lot of established stuff in the lore. Many things were a bit mysterious, but it made it more intriguing. LoK book 2 comes out in 2013, 5 years later and goes “NOPE! This is the REAL information!” Nostalgia ruined, lots of confusion, etc. Fans wanted a season 4 of ATLA because there were a lot of unanswered questions. Instead, the creators decided to drop Legend of Korra for some reason. Ya, the comic books answered those questions but they were released sometime during each season of Legend of Korra... Legend of Korra might have been better received by fans if they released the comic books earlier

Not only did we see Wan do the Dragon Dance, we see him doing it _while_ that hunter guy is very CONSPICUOUSLY waxing poetic about "WOW the way Wan controls fire is DIFFERENT from us, people with 'The Power Of Fire'(TM)! It is as if it is an _extension of himself_, as opposed to with US, guys who just toss fireballs. It's like an ART that you LEARN or something! What a concept!"

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Hah. Not so much research... just thinking about the same things over and over and discussing things in my private Discord server.

@@AntoineBandele Yeah exactly lol, nice take in your video tho😉

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That would be cool idea

I'm curious. Tell me more.

That'd be pretty stellar.

Think about the avatars after wan. The concept of the avatar wast very much established i gues. So when the earlier avatars would find out they could bend multiple elements they would freak out. Also the earliest avatars wouldnt have much guidance or at all i gues.

Rajat Rao my headcanon is that since the next avatar would be an air nomad they would accidentally bend another element while travelling and the water avatar would discover they are the avatar very late ate 50 years old since nobody knows how to identify the avatar and the water avatar would likely never come into contact with other elements at this point so they would never try bending the.

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People That Says Korra Ruins Avatar Are Shallow. The Lion Turtle Said It Himself. "IN THE ERA BEFORE THE THE AVATAR, WE BEND NOT THE ELEMENTS BUT THE ENERGY WITHIN OURSELVES!" Meaning How They Got The Bending To Protect Themselves Into The Spirit World SORRY FOR BEING SO LONG:)

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The avatar after wan is a air avatar

@@eesaubaydullah4231 Touché

if she was an avatar, most likely the fourth, but still the first earth avatar in the cycle

Being passed on through blood.

Yep. Bending comes later.

Tier videos are resuming now that I've got up with the comics. I'm glad I did stop because there are quite a few characters I would have missed.

Antoine Bandele glad to hear. Look forward to seeing it

I DEFINITELY can see them coming after Wan's era too.

The magic part of being able to control the element is something that is paced down generation to generation. (I think of it like the magical bloodlines in Harry Potter.) That's why most of the new "airbenders" came from the earth kingdom. It's where the surviving nomads would settle and produce offspring. Only in that sense did they "forget." Because they forced themselves too. At least until harmonic convergence

That would have felt much more natural. I was in high school during the time the original Avatar series was airing, and I had two connecting theories about the first avatar. First when I saw the "Cave of Two Lovers" episode my theory was that Oma as the first most powerful earth bender was reincarnated into the next cycled nation and was able to bend earth and fire, the the next life, earth, fire, air, by the third life, earth, fire, air, and water, and either by this time or the next life cycle after this person realized something was up, meditated under the giant mangrove in the swamp, and realized that for whatever unknown reason they became an avatar and sought a higher form of enlightenment. Hell it took the world a while to even fully recognize who and what an avatar was. I think both our ideas would have made better less contradicting stories about the first Avatar than Wan's story did.

@@Zinervawyrm thats interesting too and the way of bending could be a comprehensive thing like i said like for example in real life for school some people are better at some subjects than others just because they understand it that could be how bending is and for those who cant bend either dont have strong connection to earth and the original benders or dont comprehend it

His issues are entirely different from what’s discussed here. He has issues with Raava and Vaatu.

That what antoine tried to explain. you are not a bender by being able to trow a rock or shoot a burst of fire. You are a bender when you can control it. People got the ability from the turtles but learned how to properly BEND from the original benders and becames true benders themselfs.

My bad for saying she created the kingdom by herself, but still that’s a lot of powerful for one person. ALSO her innate desire for peace and order and distaste for war is the MAIN avatar characteristic.