No War, No Peace - Trotsky's Gamble I THE GREAT WAR Week 186

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6 жыл бұрын

The negotiations between the Bolsheviks, the German High Command and Austria-Hungary reach a new low this week 100 years ago. Leon Trotsky is playing for time since the revolutions in Berlin and Vienna are only a matter of time in his opinion. At the same time, the Ukrainians are try to get German aid against the Bolsheviks against Ukrainian grain for the starving German population.
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Gilbert, Martin. The First World War. A Complete History, Holt Paperbacks, 2004.
Hart, Peter. The Great War. A Combat History of the First World War, Oxford University Press, 2013.
Hart, Peter. The Great War. 1914-1918, Profile Books, 2013.
Stone, Norman. World War One. A Short History, Penguin, 2008.
Keegan, John. The First World War, Vintage, 2000.
Hastings, Max. Catastrophe 1914. Europe Goes To War, Knopf, 2013.
Hirschfeld, Gerhard. Enzyklopädie Erster Weltkrieg, Schöningh Paderborn, 2004
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@DMeyer1 6 жыл бұрын

At no point in my life have I ever heard World War One be referred to as "the Clown Car of 1918". I am thoroughly pleased.

@IO-jc7hm 4 жыл бұрын

Great metaphor indeed

@deeantoinelewis2213 3 жыл бұрын

It's hilarious, no doubt.

@here_we_go_again2571 2 жыл бұрын

@ David Meyer "European Mass Suicide" is another phrase that seems appropriate. A nineteeth century fiction writer could not have dreamed up such a nightmare plot!

@Nmax Жыл бұрын

Hilarious but accurate description 😂

@MisterBrickFilms 6 жыл бұрын

Indy 2014: "This is modern war" Indy 2018: "But there is noone driving the clown car, and it is totally out of control"

@saprophycs950 6 жыл бұрын

Thid show makes me realize how much of a giant deadly soapopera Europe used to be

@Valdagast 6 жыл бұрын

Not at all as deadly. Compare the post-world war 2 period to practically any other period of comparable length in European history and it is as tranquil as can be.

@amitabhakusari2304 6 жыл бұрын

Except, wars are now settled by toxic Internet comments. Not really as bad as we usually think.

@lilwyvern4 4 жыл бұрын

@@amitabhakusari2304 I'll take toxic comments any day over bloodshed.

@oenkapoen1396 3 жыл бұрын

@@lilwyvern4 nah Lets go to the trenches

@mgoldman60 3 ай бұрын

Writing this in 2024 - it is quite possible we will see a reboot.

@paulmoffat9306 6 жыл бұрын

Very telling that the old regime of Emperors and Nobility was STILL trying to create kingdoms for ruling families.

@lllPlatinumlll 6 жыл бұрын

You imagine they don't still?

@DushanBauer 6 жыл бұрын

well..who would you trust more than your own family?

@loddude5706 6 жыл бұрын

tushigbayar: Ask the Borgias . . .

@Geraduss 6 жыл бұрын

Considering all the big three during WWI were family.. no, I would not trust family. King George, Keiser Willeim and Czar Nikolaj were all cousins.

@brucetucker4847 6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but nobody else in the family liked Willie much. Queen Victoria thought he was awful.

@justinmcclung6030 3 жыл бұрын

"No war, no peace" Proof enough Trotsky wasn't a very brilliant mind..

@GravesRWFiA 6 жыл бұрын

Robertson, the british chief of staff holds the distinction of holding every rank in the british army. A self made man he enlisted as a trooper in the cavalry he worked his way up the ranks in a way never seen before or since. ending his days as a field marshal.

@andrewwmacfadyen6958 6 жыл бұрын

Great info thanks.

@ericcarlson3746 6 жыл бұрын

He and not Haig should have been named a "Lord"

@andrewwmacfadyen6958 6 жыл бұрын

Butcher Haig

@LeCharles07 6 жыл бұрын

That's really awesome. Maybe the guys at TGW will make a bio about him, I know I'd like to see it.

@Dragoth1337 6 жыл бұрын

With how disorganized the government's were and all the in fighting in the government's I'm amazed they were able to even fight a war. When I guess it's the boys that went off to die not the politicians.

@ricklolkema3340 6 жыл бұрын

Indeed but information was much more controllable at that time as the common people didn't had the education and experience that we now have.They all listened and believed in them because they thought they were right.

@ericcarlson3746 6 жыл бұрын

We won't get much coverage of the thousands of bureaucrats who kept the war effort going- organizing supplies, purchasing armaments, telling arms makers what to produce, directing civilian and military food supplies, arranging imports where applicable, borrowing money to pay for this mess, collecting taxes... Not a lot of pictures, few if any wrote books on their 4 years at some government department in Berlin, London, Rome or Vienna.......

@Dragoth1337 6 жыл бұрын

I guess there's a reason most of these governments don't exist a hundred years later

@qasemsoleimani9443 6 жыл бұрын

I like how well the Great War has progressed, featuring equally the British, Caucasus, the Hapsburgs and etc. By the way, I would really appreciate a bio special for the three Pashas (Enver, Talaat, the post office clerk of my hometown, and that old rascal, Djemal) as well as for Mehmed V.

@82dorrin 6 жыл бұрын

Last time I was this early, Franz Ferdinand was still alive!

@SamAronow 6 жыл бұрын

Must've been last week, when they put out a new album.

@MrTohawk 6 жыл бұрын

If I know anything about clown cars it's that there are always a lot of clowns inside.

@kieranh2005 6 жыл бұрын

MrTohawk and they always have eccentric wheels. LONG LIVE THE ECCENTRIC WHEELS!

@eduardogrilo6684 6 жыл бұрын

"Chaos isn't a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some, are given a chance to climb. They refuse, they cling to the realm or the gods or love. Illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is."

@juanflores8797 6 жыл бұрын

Eduardo Grilo game of thrones

@eduardogrilo6684 6 жыл бұрын

yyyes!! in response to the beginning of the video! Total Chaos!!!

@brucetucker4847 6 жыл бұрын

Until a little girl, no one, really, knocks you off the ladder to your death!

@jasondecharleroy4161 6 жыл бұрын

Eduardo Grilo it looks as if you have discovered that it is yourself and not the spoon that bends

@11Kralle 6 жыл бұрын

Caption (for 4:53): "Trotsky learns to write"

@andrewwmacfadyen6958 6 жыл бұрын

He was ordering the ice.

@Autobotmatt428 6 жыл бұрын

I Think Hindenburgs Idea was "to defeat the ally's then strangle Lenin and his friends". But at this moment in time he and everyone else in Germany who supported that plan of having them cause political instability must now behave some regrets.

@peka2478 6 жыл бұрын

by now, I guess it would be hard to find a single human being in Europe not having "some regrets"...

@KS1919_ 6 жыл бұрын

congrats on 800,000!

@user-lf6qm8yn1k 4 жыл бұрын

Favorite number of Konrad.

@lordmustafa3309 3 жыл бұрын

Now they reach 1.2m

@HistoryMarche 6 жыл бұрын

Another great video.

@HistoryMarche 6 жыл бұрын

What can I say, we like the same content :D On my primary account I was always active in the comment section of the many history channels I follow on KZfaq. But since I started my own channel I fully transferred to my channel's account. Switching all the time to my old account so I can watch videos and then back to my channel's account is a hassle, so I grouped together everything KZfaq-related on this account.

@Yoniyut 6 жыл бұрын

Damn it, why isn't this on TV?

@NequeNon 6 жыл бұрын

Yonatan Ben Haim TV? that’s so 20th century! Hehe;)

@IanKath 6 жыл бұрын

Who has a TV these days?

@renejelsma5585 6 жыл бұрын

Q for out of the trenches Was Austria-Hungary involved with the peace negotiation with Russia, or was it only Germany who made demands? If AH did make demands, what did they ask for?

@leontrotsky5338 6 жыл бұрын

Nice video! :)

@GeneralJackRipper 6 жыл бұрын

It seems to me the Kaiser must have had a mental breakdown at this point. He's certainly not the only one to do so.

@jacquesbrodeur5703 6 жыл бұрын

Mr Neidell and his team produce outstanding weekly and special episodes. I fell that I am meeting a friend sharing interesting and often moving stories. I was moved to tears when he read the poem: GAS, GAS, GAS. As a Canadian, I am proud of our contribution during the war. If you meet a Canadia ask him/her to recite: "In Flander's Fields. Most of us can recite it from memory; it is part of our DNA. I humbly provided a few French translations.

@robvoncken2565 6 жыл бұрын

The utter madness of this war is mindblowing. This series does give me an insight into manny conflicts still happening all over Europe and Asia. Guess the clown car is still running

@KUDO1973 6 жыл бұрын

Brilliant, Indy and Team! For now it finally starts to descent upon German High Command, what pigsty did they actually paid for (100 years and counting).

@Blindanddumb 6 жыл бұрын

Worked out well, until it didn't.

@KUDO1973 6 жыл бұрын

Precisely.

@andrewwmacfadyen6958 6 жыл бұрын

Indy your time spent in in Edinburgh was not wasted I love the authentic pronunciation of "Wullie" Roberston :-)

@jonbaxter2254 6 жыл бұрын

These videos get m,e through the week...

@eternalvirgin2227 6 жыл бұрын

It’s bout time for Kaiser/King Karl to have his special!

@oz4087 6 жыл бұрын

Can you do a special on the 16th? It is the 100th year aniversary of lithuanian independence

@Zulikas69 6 жыл бұрын

Well I hope so that they will.

@JDahl-sj5lk 6 жыл бұрын

The last crusader Thats cool! Congratulations for tomorrow then!

@albertofrankdiaz6664 6 жыл бұрын

Pay patreon guys. They need it

@AlanDeAnda1 6 жыл бұрын

The last crusader Congrats!, from a rutheless mexican fruit seller.

@huunamlee8286 6 жыл бұрын

Happy lunar new year in china, korea, japan and Vietnam, grats on 800k :))

@Autobotmatt428 6 жыл бұрын

Happy new year to you.

@arnaraki7514 6 жыл бұрын

Here I was, thinking this series was over, but I suppose war never truly ends. Love these videos, and this channel.

@wingy200 6 жыл бұрын

We still have a bumpy ride all the way to the 11th of November, my friend.

@arnaraki7514 6 жыл бұрын

Wingy Surely, this will be the war to end all wars?

@brucetucker4847 6 жыл бұрын

Wingy at least to Versailles, I hope!

@Gquequeg98 2 жыл бұрын

In my humble opinion this is one of the more significant weeks

@bigbrowntau 6 жыл бұрын

Indy, you put it so well...the clown car analogy is perfect! I knew it was a bit messy in the East post the October Revolution, but I hadn't known just how crazy it was. You've done a magnificent job of giving some insight into just how chaotic it all was in 1918. Thank you all again for an amazing video.

@desroin 6 жыл бұрын

Ah the show becomes even better when watching it while eating super spicey korean instant noodle soup

@gotfreid 6 жыл бұрын

It is not so much about a clown car as it is impossible to please everyone. If something is done for one group another is inflamed. It is that way today.

@nathanieldavis1671 6 жыл бұрын

Love that. Clown car of 1918. Guess in a hundred years were still or back on that out of control clown car

@andrewwmacfadyen6958 6 жыл бұрын

Clown Humvee with two big red horn buttons.

@EvilGNU 6 жыл бұрын

never got out of it, just fell asleep on the backseat for some time maybe....

@brucetucker4847 6 жыл бұрын

Given how much the turmoil in the Middle East is related to the Anglo-French policies following [SPOILER ALERT!] the fall of the Ottoman Empire, I'd say we're still on it.

@Tsumami__ 6 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure the current clown car driver is an orange man in washington

@TurtleDude05 6 жыл бұрын

I love this show. 😊

@steelhammer103 6 жыл бұрын

Man, things just keep getting crazier and crazier every week.

@Autobotmatt428 6 жыл бұрын

When is it not crazy?

@capitanrex5465 6 жыл бұрын

Indi's quotes just get better and better

@samholdsworth3957 6 жыл бұрын

Hi Indy!

@michaelaburns734 6 жыл бұрын

I had no idea of the situation in the eastern europe but makes sense now

@chaseskalon3622 6 жыл бұрын

Greeeeeeat! Video!!! I love the mention of Poles in the Austrian-Hungarian controlled regions (where my ancestors are from)!!!!

@chaseskalon3622 6 жыл бұрын

Research has led me to my ancestors living in Rzeszów and Brzozow which is in Austrian Galicia during this time I do believe.

@Occasionallyclever 6 жыл бұрын

I live for this channel

@jaysonbiggs8979 5 жыл бұрын

This happened, then this and then this, but no why for it all. I always loved history. After watching this I can see why people say they hate history.

@PhillipCowell01 6 жыл бұрын

Love the clown car metaphor at the end "No one is driving the clown car"

@UnintentionalSubmarine 6 жыл бұрын

Wow... so Haig for once ends up being the voice of reason?

@benitomussolini7382 6 жыл бұрын

Haig was actually one of the best commaders of the war but obviously nothing compared to me.

@James--Parker 6 жыл бұрын

He's a pretty reasonable guy when the topic does not involve "big break throughs" or "cavalry."

@wierdalien1 6 жыл бұрын

James Parker which is funny because at that point roberston became the reasonable one.

@melaniefazio823 6 жыл бұрын

"Clown car" Bloody funny! And so true

@1942Johnnyred 6 жыл бұрын

We're in the end game.

@maxkwasny4112 6 жыл бұрын

At this point in the war, every episode confuses me but that's okay. That means i'm learning

@mariosvourliotakis778 6 жыл бұрын

yess

@brokenbridge6316 4 жыл бұрын

A clown car that has no driver. It would be a truly terrifying experience. Great job.

@ButtersTheGreat1 6 жыл бұрын

Damn, its almost like its going to take another Great War for there to be peace.

@othmanzainab 6 жыл бұрын

Hi Indi can you please tell us more about sultan abdalhamid and maybe the Ottoman Empire in general before the war , ps love the show keep up the great work

@elmomoloco42 6 жыл бұрын

So here we are, I've finally caught up, what am I supposed to do now? Oh, wait, I have all the specials to see! I hope they neverrun out :D

@brandonfarris8049 6 жыл бұрын

Trotskys bodyguard's almost had Stalin beaten to death

@axempitea3728 6 жыл бұрын

Brandon Farris that would have been better

@bazzatheblue 6 жыл бұрын

Brandon Farris a missed opportunity.

@brucetucker4847 6 жыл бұрын

Trotsky wasn't much better. Much more of a true believer, but every bit as ruthless and bloody out of devotion to the cause as Stalin was out of paranoia.

@Mentol_ 6 жыл бұрын

Stalin was not sick with paranoia - you were deceived.

@thurin84 6 жыл бұрын

too bad they stopped.

@TheNormanbro 6 жыл бұрын

Hi Andy and Great War team! İ love this channel, and your work. It's awesome. I wonder, do you think make special episode about Abdul Hamid the Second? He's the one of most controvertial person and sultans of "devlet-i aliyye-i osmaniyye" (this is offical name of Ottoman Empire;) ).

@eeikewok2901 6 жыл бұрын

Imagine that. Chaos in a world wide war...

@joaoliduario 6 жыл бұрын

Do you guys plain continuing this show after the end of WWI this year? I'd love to know what happened in the post-war. And I'll be sad if you leave us Indy!

@abyssaljam441 6 жыл бұрын

I want a t-shirt with the clown car of 1918 on it

@abyssaljam441 6 жыл бұрын

Maybe in the style of a puck frount cover with all the major leaders of the war

@honeybadgerstudios21 6 жыл бұрын

Hi Indy I am doing a paper at my university on how propaganda throughout the war influenced men to go and fight, even with the fierce brutality the war brought, I was wondering if you could give me a little info for my paper, thank you and I love the show

@TheGreatWar 6 жыл бұрын

We have already made a special about propaganda in the Great War!

@lousheehan9825 6 жыл бұрын

That was a question for Out Of The Trenches:

@milankolarski8876 6 жыл бұрын

It gets worse and worse every day...

@IanKath 6 жыл бұрын

"Clown Car". What a great analogy!

@ankansharma4897 2 жыл бұрын

Thats how history should be taught

@proffingers 6 жыл бұрын

The British were so confused by the end of the week, they began to fire their soldiers instead of artillery shells.

@glorytotheaprdeathtotheufl7917 6 жыл бұрын

A question for Out of the trenches: What were the Anarchists doing during the war? I only know of the anarchists in Ukraine under Nestor Makno but they were certainly also active somewhere else during the war.

@janrudnicki6111 6 жыл бұрын

On October 7, 1918, the Regency Council of the Kingdom of Poland issued a declaration of independence, and in November of that year, the Kingdom of Poland.

@danielkorladis7869 6 жыл бұрын

You could say this about any week of the war, but damn, what a mess.

@randomlyentertaining8287 4 жыл бұрын

All that talk of Armenia and Anatolia makes me want to conquer the world as Rome again in Rome Total War.

@texasbadger3586 4 жыл бұрын

‘No one driving the clown car’ LOl 😂 that’s how I feel about our US Congress!

@cryptospace3024 6 жыл бұрын

Hey Indy, could you please do episode about Freemasons and WW1 and February/October Russian Revolution? Also if you could do additional episode about main private companies/people that made money on WW1 and were interested in war. I think this is very interesting! Thank you

@bryanmartin438 6 жыл бұрын

The "Clown Car" of 1918. I love it!

@GoT_17k 7 ай бұрын

nobody driving the clown car - LOL

@s1ap396 6 жыл бұрын

My question for Out of the Trenches: Urban warfare was a hallmark of WW2 battles, but were there ever any instances of urban street to street fighting in World War One?

@RavenioTheHatamoto 6 жыл бұрын

I loved the ending

@cfnr5520 6 жыл бұрын

Paraphrase: Clowns here, clowns there, clowns everywhere!

@beaker4311 6 жыл бұрын

i saw that max hoffman wrote "no way out is possible otherwise these brutes will wipe up the ukrainians..." is it possible to share where he wrote it and where you found it? id like to know more about max.

@Casmaniac 6 жыл бұрын

Great ep Indy

@douglasturner6153 2 жыл бұрын

Don't worry about the "Clown Cars". Wilson's coming to "Wage a war to end all wars"!

@JustSomeCanuck 6 жыл бұрын

Now we just need an update about Clownrad von Hötzendorf...

@jeffdallama5431 6 жыл бұрын

7:56 you forgot the enclaves

@johanramirez3023 6 жыл бұрын

I am here just for the great endings you do

@tommykamentz3427 6 жыл бұрын

Trotsky is amazing.

@brucetucker4847 6 жыл бұрын

Yes, I suppose, in the same sense that cholera and nerve gas are amazing.

@DuncanEllis 6 жыл бұрын

I love the clown car analogy.

@nettles89 6 жыл бұрын

Is that anything like 'No Woman, No Cry'?

@timmccarthy872 6 жыл бұрын

My feet is my only carriage So I’ve got to walk on out So tell the Germans No War, No Peace

@m.d.e.845 3 жыл бұрын

I’m surprised Haig didn’t get torpedoed crossing back and forth to RBE from the Allied front during this time. It’s not like he flew with airplane technology still in its infantile state. Risk crashing in flight or torpedoed on a battle ship?

@mikked01 6 жыл бұрын

I kinda see why the war couldn't continue much longer, one way or the other. It feels like all the countries are spiraling out of control.

@OriginalityIsnt 6 жыл бұрын

The plots in the British High Command are almost like a 20th century version of the War of the Roses: so many people fighting over power that it becomes very hard to keep all the relationships straight.

@davehopkin9502 6 жыл бұрын

Same in any Army at any point in history- people trying to climb the greasy pole!!

@MFvanBylandt 6 жыл бұрын

Now the chaos is starting to become real.

@heromaniacz 6 жыл бұрын

Are you planning to talk in depth about the influenza outbreak of 1918 and it's affects on the war, the Powers, the people, and the troops? *is hopeful*

@TheGreatWar 6 жыл бұрын

We will.

@ultraranger1286 6 жыл бұрын

Kaiserschlacht is only around 1 month away. Hard to imagine the nervous feelings of the soldiers waiting in the trenches 100 years ago now. It's like you are guarding your farm, and you know a tiger is about to jump over the fence and start slaughtering both your families and your livestocks, but you just don't know where.