i’m so obsessed with alleria asking for literally zero details. she’s like aight i’ll figure this out all based on a single name. what an idiot i love her

bro that thumbnail is wild

Really enjoying seeing you have so much energy for this new plot line

I like how awkward Khadgars small talk skills are, really relatable!

I feel like such a boomer, WC2 Beyond the Dark Portal was one of the first games i played, so i feel strangely good about Khadgar and Alleria and Turalyon playing significant roles... I thought for years that Alleria and Turalyon will return no sooner than Half life 3 releases

I feel like the conversations improved so much. Feels like they are actual people now.

All im sayin is the last time someone like Khadgar got a model update, Gul'dan turned him into a pile of ash in front of the Tomb of Sargeras. Either he's gonna pop off or die defending Dalaran

I see that windrunner pragmatism hasn't faded. I found it interesting that she tensed up when Khadgar referenced Xal'atath. Yet she keeps secrets from him. I love how Jaina referenced Lord Stormsong as well. Because ever since BFA, I don't think they even mentioned the void having a presence within their lands until now.

Khadgar seems so... tired, and sad, in this cinematic. Which, is fair given he's around sixty years old I think, and all the current stress he's under, but still... Sad to see. Unlike the faction leaders or the flash in the pan expansion characters, he's been our in game guide since the Dark Portal opened. He's a MAJOR pillar of the setting. There's a reason we call him Dadgar, after all. Really, REALLY hope they do him justice if it does wind up his time to go... Though I just can't see that really happening without Atiesh first finding a new owner, a Guardian named, and Medivh returned.

I never understood the controversy regarding what Turalyon and Alleria did in Shadows Rising. Warcraft's Hitler is on the run, you send 2 generals of a 1)thousand year old 2)guerrilla war against 3)demons. Did we expect these two care about the Azerothian Geneva Convention?!

Thank you for your reaction video! Can't wait for the next live stream and future videos! ☺

I love how the dialog flows

thanks for your great content Nobbel! would be lost lore wise without you

about the Xalatath=Harbringer bit - while we the players were the only ones who saw her freed and take a body, even if our characters told the important people of the world about it, there is no connection between her name and the title of Harbringer in the game. The title is used in forbidden rach in the naga camp, they have the book talking about Azshara and The Harbringer 'gathering the children of the first flesh' (first flesh being the Aqir) and then Iridikron uses it when talking to Vyranoth. Us players knew its was Xal the moment we saw an elf siluette behind a void portal in the Dawn of the Infinite cutscene and then we got confirmation from Holly on the Blizzcon stage. So ingame there is actualy no coreletion between the two and it kinda makes (again) the weird 'it was agatha all along' meme relevant again :D Wouldnt be the first time when the story is presented in a way that players know more than their characters - even our characters have no confirmation that Xalatath is the Harbringer, its all our (players) knowledge. The Magni part of why nobody is going to him is for sure a weird one, considering its similar with the Xalatath=Harbringer part. mby they tried but he is nowhere to be found (and only the players can access the Heart Chamber?) or maybe they found him and he told them to F off in dwarven accent since he is in his emo era. This one we gotta wait and see i guess

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That thumbnail is crazy

Nobbel bringing it back to wc2 and I am here for it! Core memory unlocked of me as a child crying as I finished beyond the dark portal for the first time.

A Hilarious possible player reaction that could be implemented ingame could possibly reveal the player's interactions that released Xalath 😅 Khadgar: How in the world did Xalath get her own void elf body?! Player dialgue options: (Keep quiet and shuffle away)/ "Oh... Yeah about that uuuhhhhh... So you remember a couple years ago when the blade went missing originally? Yeeaaahh... That was uuhh... So there was this thing that She... TRICKED Yes, Tricked me into doing which involved... getting her a body... And well... I'm gonna shut up now and go kill things like always..."

I don't regularly tune in, but it's nice to see the WC2 Characters getting some love.

It really says something about the Windrunner sisters that the void-infused one is the nicest one xD 4:05 "I believe Khadgar is around 60 to 65ish." Close. Khadgar was 17 when sent to Medivh, and it's been 40-41 years since the Dark Portal was opened. So he would be 57-58 at most, depending on how long after opening the Dark Portal did Khadgar arrive at Karazhan. I think the books (The Last Guardian, Tides of Darkness, Beyond the Dark Portal) mention his specific age (I recall him arguing with Alleria about his appearance and age in Beyond the Dark Portal), I only remember him being 17 in the Last Guardian off the top of my head. 10:19 "So while Turalyon definitely has the potential to cause a big ol' war [...] he hasn't." People's belief that he would start a war is really baffling to me, as the only way I could see it happen would be if Blizzard drastically changed his character (which to be fair I wouldn't put past them). This is the guy who hesitated before destroing black dragon eggs because they were innocent, who knelt before an undead and asked for a blessing, who worked with Illidan despite him killing the being that he had followed for thousands of years into battle., and who warns Anduing that the Light can guide them but never control them. I think it's safe to assume he's not going to go evil (and certainly not ally with Yrel in Light crusade or whatever the main theory is now, I'll admit I stopped paying attention ;p)

I've been following Nobbel from basically day 1, and fuck... Is he a vampire? The guy hasn't changed at all.

Am I the only one that sees that the harbinger is alleria and she feels treathened when he says the harbinger. And she uses a lot of game of words with him telling us she is the Harbinger Khadgar: in the hands of the harbinger search for him Alleria : could use the distraction … u will see me with it in hands

One of the most confusing things with modern lore is the interaction with the light and the void. Somebody at Blizzard has got to explain how it apparently hurts for Alleria and Turalyon to touch but Discipline Priests exist. Not to mention Lightbound Draenei Shadow Priests and Void Elf Holy Priests. To clarify, I don't have a problem that these things exist but it flies directly in the face of the lore. I'm fully on board for any race/class combo. It's just the way that Blizzard is explaining how the void and the light work are making things tricky.

Will we finally figure out what was under Tirisfal Glades that drove some of the early High Elves to insanity which forced them to find a new place to settle? Maybe thats something we'll see in Midnight if not this expansion.

That thumbnail is craaazzzy dawg lmao

alleria giving khadgar backshots

I think it's weird that so many people on forums and such have a headcanon that Alleria and Tyralion cannot touch- i guess because of an event in the radio drama while she was in her full void form. But we see them touching and it's strongly implied that since they are married, they are still of course physically intimate. Like, Lightforged Draenei can be shadow priests, and they don't explode. Void Elves, who are a whole elf about the void- can use holy magic. They don't explode. Anyway, i think it's weird to see people act as if this mistaken idea is canon in order to argue against things like void elves being paladins, when priests are RIGHT THERE lol

In game cinematics have come a long way since Legion.

Wild to see characters talk like normal people in WoW

I feel like Alleria knows more about the Harbinger than she letting out. It would explain why she asked very little details during her interaction with Khadgar.

The Voice that Mangi could hear in BFA that may or may not have been Azeroth was something that only he could hear. Khadgar willfully took no part in the War during BFA but certainly he knows about Magni being able to hear the world soul. He also knows that Magni can commune with the world soul because of his unique situation. It would be very odd for the entirety of Azeroth to suddenly be hearing it too. I would also imagine Jaina who took a much more active part in BFA is well aware of this fact and is likely going to speak to Magni when she takes that portal. We know from data mining that Magni is in some form present in the War Within, but his model is far less... radiant than what we've seen since BFA. Maybe his connection to the world soul is changed or severed? That would be even stranger that everyone can hear this voice if it is the world soul.

I would love a video about Alleria - I know next to nothing about her and I feel she's gonna be important in the future.

Not the slightest bit convinced that anybody is hearing any voice from Azeroth the world soul. Voices from underground, yes, but many other kinds of voices that we are already familiar with from past expansions can be underground. The highest possible culprit on the list in my opinion is a Light or Void Naaru... maybe even the same entity flipping back and forth from Light to void.

It is very strange that we were told outright in 10.0 in the vow eternal that Alleria and Turalyon were happy once again and now they say she has distanced herself from (though it probably means it is something recent due to the new whispers). And in shadowrising it was also said that they can touch each other again and it is made quite clear they love each other very much. I don’t think you were on the right track there

I fear what is to come in TWW. Not ready to let go of a certain character. But I fear due to some mentions in vids, and footage of opening area; that my fears will be confirmed. Alot of people i've seen always cast Turalyon as almost a warmonger, almost wanted him to start Civil War within the Alliance. But they forget he was one of the first 5 Paladins. Paladins were created to defend the Alliance, not be their elite troopers. Paladins were created to combat Guldan's DeathKnights, and once they had awakened their holy abilities they did that very well. Since then the Paladins that have followed, with the Blood Knights, and Scarlet Crusade being the exceptions. Paladins at least to me have been more like the Jedi to the Alliance Like the Jedi were to the Republic. Guardians, warriors at times, but most meant to be Guardians of the Peace. I hope they never take Turalyon to the path of a warmonger. It would ruin the character for me, and I feel would be against his character. Yes he has spent a long time in the Twisting Neather fighting for the Army of the Light, but again that was ever to defend people. So when Nobble says he has lead the Alliance through one of its more peaceful times, it is not a surprise to me.

And what if Xal'atath dump her current body to take over Aleria's as she find the Dark Heart or something like this ?

Probably 1 of 2 things is gonna happen. Xal'atath attacks Dalaran on her own volition cuz she knows how important it was in aiding us in defeating the Legion. Or.... Alleria is successful is retrieving the Dark Heart and brings it to Dalaran and thats what leads Xal'atath to attack Dalaran because she wants it back. Also a possibility Xal'atath "gives" Alleria the Dark Heart by being "stupid" making her think she won and took it by force.

Also i think aleria is the true harbinger. "At the hour of her third death she ushers in our coming" She has dialog the specificly points out that shes already felt like shes died twice. What if khadgar dying/her child dying that begins it all?

They are all already aware of the world soul in Azeroth, have been since legion im pretty sure, in the pre expac event questlines. So I dont know how they havent realized it, or at least speculated, it may be the soul of Azeroth.

Khadgar has massive death flags on him either age or well something else is gonna get him

At the end of the video when you sed "she's completley difrent" a thought enterd my mind. What if that is not aleria, what if thats xalatath or one of the void lords. Btw have you gone to the dark caves underneth Ogrimar? I found a suprise there with some "horde" members guarding the suprise. Meaning the device that kept the shadowlands and the realm of the living seperate is no longer active. And its no longer needed and tbh its now that the dragon isls expansion is over its now completley irelevant.

Would love to know your thoughts on Christie Golden being fired as a writer

Hey Nobbel! I know its pretty far ahead, but do you think it's possible to go against Odyn probably in the Last Titan expansion? I think it could be cool to see given that he quite dislikes the mortal races.. Maybe he would be the one that brings back the Titans to Azeroth?

Small question... that skybox above dalaran in the older war within cutscene. Does it look similar to our first new zone?

This is cool !🔥

The voice acting in this cinematic is so good. Really well done.

10 year timeskip would be super cool.

Oh yeah " the something of ravens will turn the key"

Oh shoot i knew I forgot something today

I'm surprised the video speculation didn't go toward this Alleria that comes before Khadgar being an impostor and actually Xal'atath herself based on the thumbnail. Alleria's voice in the cinematic is overlayed with another's. Some might say that's just the void influence however we don't hear the same overlap in the War Within feature trailer and it may be an oversight be considering how much thought and effort they're putting into the world soul saga I sincerely doubt that's the case. Also I've seen people complaining that this model of Alleria is the old one and not the one expected to be seen based on her War Within keyart. It could just be that she hasn't changed clothes yet or maybe Xal's intel is behind in the times. Very interesting stuff.

ngl Legion khadgar model was peak. idk what they did exactly but they somehow made all the models "less rough and edgy" and more "babyfaced and cutesy".

Asking why the people don't immediately think it's Azeroth, This is the first time She has actually spoken though correct? Seem to remember Magni describing it as feelings and sensations and such right? So I guess that could be why they don't assume it's Her. Also, not asking Magni might have something to do with his new darkened model?

The music gets spooky when he says the void😬

have you ever made a lore video especially concerning the sons of lothar?

It'd be interesting to see xalatath taunt alleria or get into her head once she gets the dark heart from her(?) By telling alleria she is the real harbinger and she just don't know it yet

"See you soon khadgar with the dark heart in hand" prolly will take her 2 years to come back with it🤣😍

Wait, does this mean Alleria has been back on Azeroth for like 5-6 years and this is the first time the two have re-met?

What are your thoughts about Vereesa? Will we see her and her twin sons in whatever happens in the fall of Dalaran?

so if it is stated that void and light coming into contact is not the most plesant thing how are disc priests doing that? is there whole shtick not that holy is the light side shadow is the void side and they are light and void interwoven?

Their is no Azeroth spirit amnesia, you just can't trust random whispers in WoW 😆

And also also also WE know its Xalatath and so on BUT the ingame world dont know that yet. Assuming its xalatath.

0:53 i would like to point out in regards to their uncanny valley esc faces: this is exactly what the game would look like if you tried to upscale it to HD like "everyone" seems to want. some things don't work upscaled.

Not gonna lie but I'd kinda love it if Alleria gets side-tracked by a little bit of evil, her causing a devastation and then regretting it etc. It runs in the family, doesn't it :D Would be a great way to reconnect to Sylvanas - and Vereesa! who helped Jaina purge Dalaran - which BTW we may see happening again in Remix?? --- So if you're right and Alleria actually destroyed Dalaran and killed Khadgar... Then all three Windrunner sisters have comitted atrocities/genocide....

Khadgar in the thumbnail 😂

That aleria with kadgard isent aleria thats Xalatath. When Nzoth freed xalatath she walked of in a specific way with a certin gesture with her left hand, exactly the same way the aleria with kadgard did in the new video. Also she might not be a void god. Xalatath could be one of Sire Denathrius peopel sins she's just as good at manipulating as Sire Denathrius and his dread lords is. And on the test servers you say the real Aleria wants to hunt down xalatath, she whould want to do that if xalatath inpersonated aleria and took out dalaran and kadgar. Also the voice actor for kadgar is really old at this point so it also makes sense to kill kadgar at this point. And killing kadgar and taking out dalaran will also force ppl to do stuff and that forces peopel to "hunt down" xalatath and others and so on and so on. She's basicly forcing the story to happen, forcing peopel to act on XALATATH's terms as she wants. So right now she's controling everything and we are just along for the ride like a little puppy or kitten.

So the void changed the void windrunner sister. And im guessing the void reacted to the dark heart void amulet and thats what she reacted to.

Kadghar looks phenomenal. Jaina looks derpy. Woah. That very last portion of the video. They're gonna fuckin have aleria be responsible for arator and kadghars deaths. Maybe turelyian too. Heavy. We need some heavy.

khadgar getting a model update is pretty suspicious, he's looking skinnier than before and he seems to allude to not being in the best of health. plus when varian got a model update, he died immediately lol

2:03 just like old times

Considering Khadgar doesn't know who the Harbinger is so I'd say we never revealed her secrets. We serve her afterall

Wow posted 30 sec ago nice!

Khadgar previously had these blue balls hanging on Ateish?

"Khadgha"

I found this cinematic both good and silly at the same time and I don't know if I like it or not.

So is xalatath inhabiting alleria's body?

PLOT TWIST ITS the elfs fault we get midnight

Are they changed the Khadgar voice acting ? his voice and the voice acting is feels odd

People are acting like we didn't hear the whole voice of azeroth with magni...

Xal'atath is the most interesting character in this story. I hope she doesn't get wasted on some generic corruption plot.

instant cast portal. so unfair.

I wonder who it is she walks in with? :)

If no one remembers about what happened in bfa, does this mean that a whole expansion was retconned?

There were little touches to the voice acting that seemed different to me. Like... more realistic in some way. Less like they're reading off a script.

Wait, Khadgar died? I knew you said there'd be spoilers, but I thought you'd explain em, lol...

Has her voice always had that effect on it?

Can someone explain me why no one seems to understand the radiant song is Azeroth ? Like who the f*ck else could that be ? Aren't they supposed to know Azeroth is a titan ?

Alleria and Khadgar conversation felt so unnatural to me idk

is khadgar neutral between horde and alliance

The stories have gotten so complex that we desperately need addons either from the Dev team or the community so that we can walk through the stories of each character separately. I am sure that with some characters like thrall or jaina you would be able to level some good 20-30 levels just exploring their stories (no boar-killing bullshit).

I can't tell if this really is a meeting of two old friends who've traveled between worlds and invaded a place called the "hellfire peninsula together and witnessed a dark ritual that destroyed the very planet they invaded. Or just two Disney schmucks just bumbling around each other's words. Where is the gravitas?

why they make a story like she's infected or something like that, Void priests be like yeah yeah she's a threat WE ARE VOID i mean We are not threat !!

Alleria and Khadgar gonna bang rule 34!!!!! wwwwwooooooo

Dialogue has gotten better than ever before.

Khad looks a lot younger and something seems off. -_-

alleria Voice is wierd it is the only Voice that sound ecoing distant sounds like she is not alleria maybe she is Xalatave?

Absolute whiplash from heir voice acting compared to Alexstrasza.

So we went from Arthas the Lich King, Illidan the Betrayer, Segaras the Mad Titan, Queen Azshara to "The Jailer" and "The Harbinger?

so technically its all the the void priest mains' fault for unearthing Xal;atth. Could have used a different artifact smh

When the world goes to crap we can blame the void priests for releasing the harbinger

Khadgar aged like milk?