We got screwed at least twice with Dieselgate and EA...

It will get better. The 1st VCR was as big as a suitcase and cost $1200, the last VCR was bearly bigger thant he tape and cost $29.95. This is just a starting and testing point.

Camper locations have electricity. And there are other charge providers, tesla also opening up.

@ferkeap I get that, but 100 miles isn't even enough to get to me to any proper camp spot, forget about having sufficient charge left to power the camp for a night. This needs to be at least ~300miles range to be a practical camper van.

We need Amazon to let Rivian sell RDV chassis for RV upfitting.

@@ALRinaldi THis. +1 ^

THAT WAS 38 MINS OF CLUELESSNESS, WRAPED IN MEDIOCER WINEBAGO CRAP, WHAT A SAD JOKE, BUT A GOOD VIEW OF JUST HOW LAME SOME PEOPLE WERE IN THIS EARLY ERA OF THE EV REVOLUTION....WHAT JOKE ON SO MANY LEVELS.......OH MY GOD........

@@ALRinaldi didn’t Amazon already approve that?

Not necessary a problem. It is a logicall result from the fact they need to power different "devices" However, it should be possible to transfer power from one to the other. From house battery to drive battery can be done by an 110/220 volt inverter and then plug the car's charger into that. The other direction can be done using a dc-dc between ford's 12 volt battery and the housebattery. Yes all EV's have a 12 volt battery that is charged from the high voltage drive battery

Could you imagine how many days it took to drive that thing from Minnesota to Detroit. Oof, just oof.

It should be so easy to make 110 v from these house battery;s and use that to charge the drive-battery..........

You be lucky to get 1 mile per hour

Yeah, it's a shame, these things spend most of their lives parked. That took if from an A to a C-. If you're staying somewhere for a week you could pull in 50.4 kWh, given 900W for 8 hours a day.

@@amateurwizard that's far too optimistic...

@@tazeat Then I don't know how but you've missed the point. The point. Even with half of that input capacity, given the use case for this vehicle you can make a good amount of the energy you drive around it for free*

There is a new Ford e-Transit out now or very soon with up to 2 to 3 times the current range but not sure if the USA going to get them - also look at the new Mercedes Sprinter electric van they refitted it with a lot more batteries and hence a lot better range - looks like the range is 250 miles now but further models set to arrive in 2024 (in the year 2024) - so that means more range and larger vans to me

@QALibrary The e-Transit 2023 model in the UK is listed as having over 200 miles of range. If it wasn't clear in my last message....this latest model..... is the one I drove and its range is way way below the range stated. It's is also (as expected) inefficient, as it is a brick of a vehicle. Only having a real world range of 100 miles is pathetic. As is £60,000 for an empty tin box.

This is one of my favorite videos on this channel so far. "Hey boys and girls! Here's what happens to you when you are unable to vertically integrate: your designs are little more than lipstick on a pig!" Making an RV with around a hundred miles of actual range and then talking about how they want to ease our "range anxiety", as if the anxiety is irrational? How many different voltages are in this thing? Three? Four? And they have to pack in a separate house battery? This thing is a disaster, and they're all, "We put a magnet on the table so you don't have to see a fastener!" I have to imagine this is why Tesla started on the high-end. They funded their future selling toys to the rich, and are busily setting about driving down the price of EVs for everyone. Take a page, Winnebago. Make some ungodly megabus that can actually haul some batteries and sell it to gazzilonaires, learn some lessons, and drive the tech down to us. Looks to me like if you start here, you go nowhere.

All the space under the floor in RVs is currently used by storage tanks . Fresh water , gray water , black water , and two types of fuel. Also, storage space for equipment is at a premium. I see the fuel tanks eliminated, but those are the smaller of the units under the floor. Additional space for batteries will negatively impact the remaining RV functionality. We are still extremely limited with batter compacity at this time. People don't realize that the pushers clas A units use the compact power units in the back expressly to save space under the floor. It is the same reason as in long haul busses. In busses, the space is used to haul luggage and freight.

😂😂😂 LA TO LAS VEGAS ....5 months, if public charging is at its best. Only $450,000! 😂😂😂 I'll stick to my $51,000 Silverado and make that trip in 5 hours with bad traffic.

Indeed. 6:38 An engineer that speaks of 15 killowatt of house battery storage capability......... OMG. please Winnabagoo, make sure they have their units right..... Now it should be possible to charge the drivetrainbattery from the housebatter and vice versa....

Yes, of course we knew what he meant, but using the correct verbiage shows one took the time to pay attention to detail. That is the sort of thing I look for when interviewing job candidates or reviewing Request For Proposal responses.

To clarify. I really applaud Winnebago for taking the step towards electric RV's. This is all new to them I guess, so I'm not too harsh on the current level of tech they have.

@@koomaj I’m in agreement. It’s their first try at this, so we’ll see how it goes in a few years.

It's slang, y'all. KWIM?

Parts of me were alive in 1954...

It appeared the hue of at least some of the lighting was selectable. In one scene the under cabinet strip lights appeared white and then later appeared blue (unless it was camera white balance).

I've been meaning to do some rigged fixes of the overhead lights in red in the Tesla for years!

Should be true RGB, make your own choice.

Indeed. No-one is even trying to do this right yet. (Mostly because the manufacturers don't make it easy to connect into the HV system), and you can't buy a 1kW 100V DC PV MPTT to 400/800V DC controller yet (well you probably can, but not as a sensibly-priced option). The only well-designed EV camper so far is the Stella Vita and that was a million-euro build. Pretty sure that's showing the way this should go for actually useful vehicles.

It feels like they just took out all the design and hardware from a previous ICE Ford transit build and pasted it here. The EV has on-board 120V at 2.4KW max power.

That was a limit set on them by Ford so they were hamstrung from the start however they did mention that they were looking for another chassis supplier that would allow them to integrate with the traction battery and streamline things. Right now they have something in opposition to the big void of absolutely nothing. If small third party suppliers have been able to overcome this for several years now with range extending add-on packs then the OEM's should also be able to make the same provision at lower cost without compromising the vehicle warranty. I recall several decades ago (perhaps 50 years) I had seen some prototype crystalline based electric motors that were supposed to be much more efficient than copper based units. If I remember correctly some were installed in a GE tractor style electric lawn mower/garden tractor that was being real world tested down the street from me and they worked out quite well despite the flooded lead acid batteries powering it. Have wondered where that effort has gone over the decades since those alone had the potential to increase range, etc without the need for ever larger battery packs. Best!

You have your range anxiety beating me by a quarter. I never let it go under half

To make a real difference for range you’d need much more solar power . 1000 watts of solar installed get you around one miles pay day on a big vehicle like this. (without living consumption) you’d need about 50 square foot for that 1000watts… where to put it on a vehicle like that. Even with bout 4000 watts (biggest I’ve seen on Evs that’s size so far) it would be around 4 miles of range on. Sunny day 🤷‍♂️

Nice idea!

even , IF you had 1000w Solar , it will only add 10 miles per day. the Whole vehicle is Ineffecient , DELETE, start from Scratch.

I'd have a rigid awning awning over the roof, with more solar underneath.

@@MattOGormanSmith Think about you beeing restricted by weight. Look at the route del sol Projekt from solar rollar, while technically basic and lots of room for efficiency improvement, it shows how massiv a solar system for a few miles had to be

yep, agreed! I think the future of "RV'ing" lies in those battery powered trailers that "push" so you don't loose range. Those designs seem to have a ton of potential and utility!

You're welcome!

Give. Winnebago credit in that they are thinking about how they will adapt to a future which has Electronic vehicles. Ford has resources which a much smaller company like Winnebago will never have- Winnebago will never build a complete vehicle- they need chassis manufacturers. While not very credible today, this conversion represents a step towards a future when EV vans are more credible for this application.

What other options are out there? I'll wait.

@@jamesengland7461 me too. wait for CyberTruck and Rivian Van as the base. probably going to be a few years.

Duh,lol

They are not going make too many of these... Price/value ratio will be absurd...

Great. Maybe this will sell there.

in the UK i would rather have a wildeX

Ceiling mounted heat pumps for RV’s are now made and supposedly are quiet, consume a lot less energy. Wish they had existed when I replaced my RV A/C! You do not want a split system, as I have in my house. Routing the lines from ceiling to under floor would be a problem!

😂😂 I can't wait til new tech, v8 COMES INTO MARKET.

Brilliant idea!

FUD motors , probably uses a Supplier, and Does NOT make their own HEAT pump , like Tesla does.

No Winibegoo just buys whatever is on the market and the market is still reliant on propane or high-draw electricity through a generator or shoar hookup. Here is the video you want. He is an overlander (offroad/Etream RVing) and is an electrical engineer from Canada traveling through Mexico. It's not a heat pump but he has a big solar system and a Desile truck as a base so he can be a little inefficient. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iq19jZqTspOvn6s.html

@@wrenbird8352 Thanks. Great info!

Love Bjorn, but EV towing needs work.

@@TamagoHead Bjorn wasn't towing, he was ladening down a Kia Soul EV to its maximum weight limit. Fully agreed that EV towing needs work, but I think that's may be more due to aerodynamics than weight?

@@ScrapKing73 👍Ah, I’ll look that vid you mentioned. thx!

@@TamagoHead In addition to Bjorn's testing, another KZfaqr put solar cells on his leaf and a huge bank of batteries for the solar cells to charge (and then he recharges the high-voltage battery from the solar batteries), which added a tonne of weight but didn't change the aerodynamics much. He also found almost no net difference to efficiency. Like Bjorn, he found less efficiency during acceleration, little difference to cruising, and better efficiency during regen, and it was mostly a wash.

@@ScrapKing73 ah, so it’s the aero? Not a lot of the population tows anyway. I read that supercharger 4 is out in the Netherlands (longer cables + magic dock). 👍

I have a surplus military roll-up solar array made by Power Film, so it definitely possible. Military, so cost was not an issue. Civilian?..

@@wtmayhew Costs of solar materials have been plummeting for the last decade.

Or Arrival, which have a lot more body flexibility.

There is a 300 mile e-transit announced? I missed that (and have been following this closely for 7 years now because I want an EV camper). I didn't see a 250mile sprinter you could actually buy yet either. SFAIK the buzz is the longest range van you can actually buy - at about 225 miles.

@@xxwookey The issue is not all of them are available in all markets and when they are some variants are never made available /sold - for more deatals look up "FORD MEDIA CENTER" dated 14 Mar 2022 (I trying to find a more up to date version) and it talks about only the Europen area - the new version going to be built in Poland and the smaller Custom Transit (same size as the ID Buzz smaller version (I would say) range of 380 km (236 miles)

“they should just design their own chassis”. There’s a reason nobody in the RV business does that: it would be prohibitively expensive.

Tesla can’t even make the vehicles they promise now; very much doubt there would be much profit in them selling chassis off the other people to customize.

Yeah you'd be "boondocking" within eyesight of the charging station with that range lol.

Probably easier doing a body on frame like the Lighting or Rivian

A 30A TT does work with an adapter with the Ford plug-in cords, but charges at the 15 amp (really 12 amp) rate. A different connector cable that would actually know that a TT plug is in use would work. We did charge one of these prototypes with a 15 amp into the house and a 30 amp with adapter into the chassis and topped off both overnight.

Yeah, I was wondering why they couldn’t use the TT-30 with an adapter (if needed). Though it seems like that should be something they could actually add value around. It needs to work with existing RV campground outlets seamlessly.

Yes it is a lot slower, but you can obviously still cover a few hundred miles a day.

First of all, 100 miles is between charges, so you can cover 500 miles a day easily having it charge while you eat. Second, if you only travel 100 miles a day and charge at your camp site, you will spend ZERO on fuel =) Question for you, how much did you spend on fuel getting to Florida from Arizona?