I fine it hilarious that Nintendo acknowledged the timeline problem fixed the timeline problem only to then a few years later make the exact same mistake they just fixed!

So basically, Zelda turning into a dragon is a CANON EVENT

I think it's important to remember that everything up to the point of Zelda going to the past in the first place is when everything suddenly changed before the Hyrulian's eyes. The game begins with Zelda and LInk from BoTW trying to learn more about the Zonai which were mostly unheard of, but when they find Ganondorf who seems to know about LInk and Zelda, just at that point just before Ganondorf awakens, Zelda picks up the secret stone, sealing her fate to going back in time. at that very moment is likely when a massive time rift came, because Rauru wouldn't have known at all about Link and Zelda originally had Zelda not gone back in time to tell him about Link. So literally at the beginning of the game, just as Zelda grabs the secret stone, that's when the time line shifts from everything we knew up to that point, to a new timeline where Zonai ruins were activated and falling all over and thus many events would've happened slightly differently (just very slightly, as most of the blights are based on the Gloom). Link wakes up in the Sky temple having been saved presumably by Rauru and Mineru in some way. Other things of note is how the Sheikah wouldn've have needed to develop advanced technology because the Zonai technology was revealed to them so they spent thier life studying that instead in the new timeline. That's why almost all Sheikah tech was mostly abandoned or destroyed despite BoTW having happened mere years ago and no one seems to recall the 4 Guardians because again, the Sheikah tech wasn't necessary since the Zonai tech existed. As for why the Zonai tech didn't exist before but does now. It's all thanks to Mineru's promise to Zelda at the very last moment of her life. Up to the final moment, Mineru says to Zelda "What should we do?" and Zelda convinces her to have faith in Link. Given Mineru in modern day constantly says "I must atone for my sins" she seems extremely remorseful about allowing Zonai tech to get in the hands of evil and in the original timeline, likely "destroyed" all evidence of Zonai life she could. burned all books and destroyed all constructs so that only mere hints remained as ruins. It's only because of Zelda's promise that she decided to keep the constructs alive and reveal the Zonai tech until LInk would one day find them and she could pass on her soul and message to him as she ultimately did. Rauru also comments on how much the world has changed and alarm that the constructs are still serving to this day, but because he died before Mineru could really tell him her plan, he might not have been aware of Mineru's promise to Zelda. At the end she does say "I will return to my brother and Sonia" satisfied that she can face them again after doing her part in making the world peaceful and knowing Zonai tech is in good hands. However....all this kind of means that the Zelda dragon theory would be kind of false because that time split happened just before Zelda awakened Ganondorf. The robot wouldn't have has an impact on the Zelda dragon at all, but then, the Robot may not have existed at all because the new Zonai technology means the Sheikah wouldn't have had a need to build the tools to fend off the Calamity, they would instead rely on the Ancient hero to hold it back. So in a sense, Age of Calamity is "Canon" but exists in a continuity that technically no longer exists anymore because of Mineru allowing the Zonai technology to remain in anticipation of Link stopping Ganondorf once and for all. and as for why at that particular moment that Link is the chosen one.... well he would be the one who found Rauru's arm so Rauru could give it to him and thus the power of light. Through Rauru's hand, Mineru's construct could be sure that the correct Link indeed is there and she could guide him through the purah pad to the constuct factory to build a suit and help aid LInk in defeating Ganondorf. It seems it's really just sheer luck that Rauru sealed Ganondorf hoping his lock would hold him forever, or that "one day, a hero in the future will destroy what remains of his corpse" Only knowing LInk by name because Zelda told him but he could buy the descendents of Hyrule time.

So I'm currently 4mins into the video and very much hoping this is going where I think it is. I've stated to a lot a friends that a sequel to AoC is very much possible because Calamity Ganon was never the real threat. Ganondorf himself is still sealed deep beneath Hyrule Castle, regardless of Terrako's intervention. He could still break free of the seal given enough time and shatter the Master Sword, and Zelda would need to be sent back, become the Light Dragon, and finally make her way to the present-day after the events of AoC. Really hope this is on point with what I had in mind. EDIT: IT VERY MUCH WAS ON POINT WITH WHAT I HAD IN MIND

No matter what, one thing is for sure: Koei Tecmo made a more coherent follow-up story to BotW than Nintendo did with TotK.

I've noticed the warrior games have more grandeur than what Nintendo were able to provide in Tears of the Kingdom. The only reason why I don't like the fact we get Zelda back in the end is because I don't feel like we did enough to warrant a full reversal of a draconification. If Zelda had kept some horns and maybe the tail it would've been better, ngl Zelda becoming basically a dragon princess would be dope, OR there is no cure and she's stuck as the light dragon.

If Zelda stayed as the light dragon then the bloodline of the royal family and hylia would end for good + the princess of destiny couldn’t reincarnate again

Yeah Zelda becoming the Light Dragon was pretty much already destined even before the underground event. In a world of time-traveling and God-like power certain events like that were naturally decided And you’re right, ANYTHING can still happen after Point B once it follows up on Point A, and I very much doubt the Light Dragon and the Sword would just vanish if the AOC Zelda never had the same events as Main Zelda

Time travel is always super confusing I think it has to do with there being nothing to compare it to

The thing about meeting Ganon Earlier cannot even happen Because the reason Ganondorf reawakened is that the Castle is damaged and not fixed while being guarded for 100 Years by Godlike War-Machines and keeping not a single soul near the Castle (you can find the inscription in the cave leading to Hyrule Castle which confirms this statement), Hyrule Castle not being fixed then causes the seal to weaken over the one century. Meaning his Awakening must be delayes far in the Future and Ganondorf's Miasma/Gloom would never leak

Interestingly enough, in Botw's timeline, Link got the Master Sword _before_ he became Zelda's appointed knight. Meanwhile in AoC's timeline he doesn't get the Master Sword until they all go to the Korok Forest to find it. In addition, in AoC Calamity Ganon actually returns _early_ because of the extra malice that formed Harbinger Ganon. So it would not be too farfetched for Ganondorf to awaken way earlier in the AoC timeline (since in Botw there's a full 100 year gap when Link was in the shrine of resurrection).

I really never thought of this problem, and at some point while watching this video I was thinking of a another alternate point like the Zelda of age of calamity would have to die and sometime soon if age of calamity, master sword is entirely destroyed. Then maybe age of calamity link could get tears of the kingdom master sword, and Zelda through a similar process, at the very end of tears of the kingdom

I think in this alternative timeline where Ganondorf awakens 100 years early, only Daruk and Mipha would become sages, as they're the ones related to Sidon and Yunobo, the descendants of the original sages. The other two new sages would have to be the parents or grandparents of Riju and Teba

I’m so glad you made this video. I was thinking “What If TotK Started Early (via AoC)?” and you just created this vision. Also, the whole paradox with two Zeldas existing in the same time reminded me of Skyward Sword.

Time travel is so messy. I wish Nintendo never messed with it.

I have been BEGGING for a sequel to Age of Calamity with respect to Tears of the Kingdom, literally couldn't stop thinking about "okay, but they didn't beat Ganondorf in this timeline, so we need closure." I really like your video, I hope Nintendo and Koei Tecmo deliver, because it is far too great a story opportunity not to!

Awesome Video Bro! Happy Easter!

But what about the Tarako robot, wouldn't that be a paradox on its own unless things are allowed to come back from multiple possible futures? Like what if someone travels back in time from the Fallen timeline back to the time of Ocarina? Are we to say that's impossible, simply because that person doesn't exist in the other timelines, in the future?

I covered this on my Facebook page; there’s quite-a-bit of butterfly effect shite that happens with the Legend of Zelda series.

it'd be really cool if the last scenario was a choose your own adventure type story, where, depending on the choices you made, paths would either become available or locked until your next playthrough. (which would mean a manual saving system would have to be in place with multiple save slots so you don't actually have to play the whole game again, you just choose the save with the choice in it.)

The idea of some divine fate or timeline inevitability made me think that Zelda becoming the light dragon could explain why the three timelines would ever merge back together. If Zelda underwent draconification before the timeline split in OoT (which I'm not 100% sold on, but its a possibility) then the light dragon would exist in all 3 branches of the timeline. In order to prevent a paradox each timeline would need to end up with a BOTW/TOTK series of events to explain Dragon-Zelda's presence.

It's stated that Ganondorf breaking free happened mostly as a result of the seal weakening due to the state the castle was in. AOC prevents all of that, so it's possible he could remain sealed for a LOT longer.

That title art is dope low key

possibility 3 idea- If they went with possibility 3, the could possibly do something with time shifting where you switch between eras in a common battle site opening new paths in the present and new collectibles or wepons

I have a theory about how terriko got the ability to timetravel. We know that Zelda has time and light powers which explains how she didn't age over the 100 years in BOTW. But what we also see is that she can somehow inpart some of her power in to people. Link is given her recall ability in TOTK by zelda's will. Terriko was built by zelda and maby she unintentionally imparted some of her power in to him. But like hers the time powers lied dormant till she activated her powers at fort Hatano, which explains the sudden flash of light in the tower when Terriko is activated. Terriko utilizes the time powers to travel back in time in a similar way to what zelda does and travel back in time to somewhere safe. But unlike zelda Terriko dose not create a time loop because he ultimately succeeds at stopping the calamity.

I would love to see a Zelda game where you actually time travel way back to skyward swords time and defeat demise and prevent his curse, which would change all the Zelda timelines completely. That would be pretty cool to be actually able to do something like that like for example, and enemy figures time, travel out and goes all the way back to the time where they kill the originalhero murdering the entire hero and princess timeline for good but you go back in time to stop that person will also taking care of demise’s curse

oh you're gonna get me on the Zelda Timescope again

the fun thing about time travel is how it's not possible to ever resolve paradoxes without either a. not being able to interact with the past b. creating a multiverse whenever you do interact with the past such that your new timeline can never rejoin the original one you went back in time from. any other option is not going to mesh with logic and you might as well be arguing about magic. i think Zelda games take a less realistic approach and so gloss over certain inconsistencies to tell a video game story that generally is aimed at kids.

The other possibility is that the split timeline flows in both directions, past and future. What if the timelines aren’t splitting off a single past, but bridge between parallel timelines. The parallel timeline could have a paradox free past.

I… LOVE THIS THEORY! If I learned anything from this (apart from well, all the Zelda stuff you talked about) it’s that looking into things deeper doesn’t necessarily need complicate things, it might even solve the problems! We should take a deeper look into stories like these even though we all know very well that Nintendo will just continue to make the story up on the spot when making the next Zelda game

Ok, if you like this kind of paradox in a story, done very well, play Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward.

The thought of two Zeldas made me realize: We've seen that in Adventure of Link with the Zelda of the original game and Princess Zelda I. Then we got two Links in both Twilight Princess (Hero's Shade AKA Hero of Time) and A Link Between Worlds (The old man running the challenge gauntlet is heavily implied to be the Hero of Legend. It would be great to see the past and present Ganondorf to meet up as you propose, but if they didn't, I really do wonder if there will ever be a game where we see two incarnations of Demise's hatred at the same time. Personally I think FSA counts, but most people I've talked to don't think Vaati is related to the curse at all.

Cool possibilities: - Link dual wielding TWO Master Swords - Half dragon, feral Zelda is playable * Or present Zelda using Light Dragon Zelda as a weapon - The new powers being weapons instead of "weak point exploiters" * Link has Ultrahand (think Layle from FFCC The Crystal Bearers but crazier) * Sonia has Recall * Either Mineru has Fuse (to upgrade her mecha midbattle) or Rauru has the Flail from AoC but better (that thing has in-built Fuse already) *... how do you weaponize Ascend lol????

There’s a part in AOC, when Zelda is at the spring of courage, where we get to see, besides Zonai stuff, some Sheikah technology in the same area, and Zelda focusing a lot on them, but not getting into the story so much, but still that same technology not being present in BOTW and TOTK. With no DLC for TOTK, I’ve lost hope os those 3 games being connected, as when you play them you can notice how at the beginning there’s a lot to explain but later on the game, it just get lazy.

yes this sound about right i concur 100% ive only played zelda 3

Hyrule Castle would never be fully destroyed or sit to rot in the AoC timeline and thus Ganondorf would never overwhelm Raurus body and never wake up.

I kinda fixed this a month ago in my mind, with TotK actually happening with a descendant of Zelda and the new hero.

If the branch of time from Age of Calamity continues past that game's end, wouldn't it be feasible that the Yiga would be folded back into the Sheikah rather than remaining its own clan, or at the very least become a branch of the Sheikah? Regardless of circumstance, the fact is that in that branch of time the Yiga betrayed their purpose and found themselves valued by the Hyrulean Royal Family again.

i think that, to have a similar name with the age of calamity, "age of imprisoning" would be a good name (like the imprisoning war) OR "the paradox of light"

thank you

nice logo

It's possible that the timeline splits at Point B rather than Point D. Instead of Zelda from TotK appearing, something different happens. Either Zelda from AoC , a Zelda from farther into the future, or maybe no Zelda appears. This creates a timeline that's similar to BotW/TotK, but it can have a few differences. We actually see some of these differences in AoC. In BotW, Link draws the Master Sword before the Champions are chosen, but the reverse happens in AoC. This can also explain how Master Kohga is alive during AoC. The Point B timeline split caused Kohga to be born 100 years early. I don't really believe that he is somehow didn't age over 100 years.

Except Nintendo has said that AoC was an alternate timeline. not part of the main BotW/TotK timeline. Gloom spreading might have nothing to do with the return of Calamity Ganon in BOTW. Or rather, the Calamity may just be a symptom of Raru's seal failing.

I know I’m late, but this does not work. Ganondorf would never wake up in the age of calamity timeline. The reason he was able to break the bind on his heart is because the calamity destroyed the castle. The castle was helping the seal and making sure no one disturbed the it. as we can see in the final moments of the imprisoning war Raruu was below Ganondorf and his back was only slightly arched. But in the opening of tears Ganondorf is bent almost 90° with Raruus hand above him, if it wasn’t for the calamity, destroying the castle 100 years before he could have kept him there forever and maybe even won

can link be able to send items to zelda timeline besides the broken master sword that time altar looks spacious for a sword.

remember, each calamity is 10,000 years apart, and many calamitys happened, so maby a bilion years ago?

So I'm thinking here with the master Sword shattering doesnt that mean Demise's Consciousness is free?

If this holds true, I’ll be glad we’ll getting a new AoC game.

TWO SWORDS

1 thing, I'm pretty sure you said that Sonia would go to the future. Would she not have died to Ganondorf?

Too much for my brain timeline splits hurt

After the unification of the timelines destroyed their hyrules in the process Making the hyrule seen in the memories more wilder.

The idea of ganondorf interacting with his future/past self to change his outcome is like pretty much what Sephiroth is doing in ff7remake trilogy right now lol

Not a paradox: as I see it the HW:AoC timeline would have a point where that Zelda would go down to the “basement” as it were. Just where, and when, who knows.

There's only one problem. You created the paradox. The paradox didn't exist otherwise. If there's another Hyrule Warriors, it wouldn't relate at all to what you're insinuating. 1) First, the events of the future would be required to occur for Zelda to go back to time. 2) If the events of the future do not occur, and Zelda does not go back in time, at this point where it's decided a "Timeline" split would occur -- This is the whole "Schrödinger's cat" situation. This assumed sequel to Hyrule Warriors would exist in an entire alternate timeline, much as they already do now. 3) In order for your entirely irrational theory to exist (you should learn more about space time), Age of Calamity would be the Prequel to Tears of The Kingdom, not Breath of The Wild (Which doesn't exist in this Universe). 4) You essentially took fixed points in a timeline, and assumed they all would exist, despite the fixed points generating entirely new timelines. But good try. I stuck around till the end at least.

Huh neat

I love this , but two swords?

9:56 It wouldn't be the first time they did that #team2zeldas

When Zelda forfeited her right to exist.

time works like a and gate that will happen even if you remove point a

Second timeline just dupes the first timeline's Light Dragon. Cause it's a split, not an overwrite.

imagine link dual wielding master swords

More zelda warriors games would be perfect

So... i accidently played TOTK first, then played BOTW. to me, the timeline makes perfect sense; in that order.

In this situation i point to homestuck which deals with time loops and time travel that prevents thsoe loops beginning. Those timelines can exist due to free will but they become doomed timelines. AoC becomes a doomed timeline

Zelda the light dragon, Onox the dark dragon. Zelda is a human that became a dragon then a human again. Onox is a dragon that became a human then a dragon again.

Age of calamity timeline would of still experienced totk the only difference is it would of happened 100 years earlier and with the original champions

So, this Zelda existed be for she was born?

I love Hyrule warriors

what if Hyrule Warriors Zelda goes back in time but instead of going to the time of Rauru & Sonia, she’s the Zelda who helped defeat calamity Gannon 10,000 years in the past with the ancient hero??? because since Hyrule Warriors Zelda and tears of the kingdom Zelda share the same distant past. If they both time traveled back to the time of Rauru and Sonia there would be two Zelda’s there. if Hyrule warriors Zelda time travels to the time of the calamity 10,000 years in the past, that would still be a canon event to both timelines since it is shared. there may be secrets in the tears of the kingdom timeline they never knew to look for but link from the Hyrule Warriors timeline may know what to look for in terms of clues left behind from Zelda, who traveled to the great calamity 10k years ago and she found a way to defeat Ganon in her Hyrule warriors future.

If there are 2 light dragons what if they revive the wrong one, and discover the other timeline, then they would have the wrong zelda who knows nothing of their timeline.

?????????

I liked the video but I just hate the age of calamity story so much :'' in my mind it never happened just BotW and TotK

Please, not more pseudo-sequel Hyrule Warriors, want a proper Hyrule Warriors 2 instead xD

No a portal opens up in the sky and Ms Marvel saves the day.😂😂Lol - I mean Mario 😂😂😂😂

(attention: original text in Spanish) SkywardSword splits into 2 branches The temporal branch of the triforce (minish cap) And the temporary branch of the Zonan, (where Hylian Rauru is never born): 1-ANCIENT CALAMITY (Zonan hero without blood of gods or royalty vs "malice" of unknown name and war of the fallen of the underground, after this battle the Zonan hero places a sacred sword in a stone and sends it to the future so that has more strength when it must be used again, the inhabitants of those lands begin to call the group of different towns: Hyrule) 2-AGE OF FORGOTTEN -> Ganon-Dorf [Powerful-Man in Gerudo?] is born, capable of channeling magic and is sealed in the war of banishment, the white dragon hides, the underground is closed, the story of the founders and the Zonan is popularly erased to the Hylians, carried secretly by the wise men and the younger brother of Princess Sonnia against the Yiga saboteurs who had some Zonan knowledge, that is why the bearers of the stones decided to raise the ruins. They zone higher than normal... (A big-hearted Hylian "Voe" appears and helps the 7 gerudo against a threat, preventing their extinction... yet it is unknown history falls hidden buried and anti shiok policies they remained forever in their culture) 3-NEW CALAMITY (during the next 10,000 years of a supposed peace, the sheikah continually manufactured advanced technology and the master sword magically appears in the kolog forest, becoming 2 at the same time... The sheikah discover that the name of that ancient Malice of the cataclysm is called Ganon, adding him to the mural of the premonitory legend, together with the poorly drawn hero Zonan and blindly trusting the manipulable guardians... "Finally, according to Aonuma, the most distant era of the saga arrives"... A boy named Link is born and after 17 years Princess Zelda cites a ritual of prophecies about possible parallel pasts that never occurred referring to time, twilight and ocean... then a disaster would happen that would put Link to sleep in a lethargy of about 100 years. ) 4-GANON BOTW (ganon is quickly defeated along with the potential of the 4 beasts and the master sword... the crimson moons disappear and the yiga hide digging underground... after the unexpected arrest of Vah Ruta, in the next 5 years, the modern sheikah decided to destroy the knowledge of the shrines, destroy the guardians and replace the towers, to prevent them from turning against them again) 5-GANONDORF AWAKENS -> the surface weapons deteriorate, the white dragon is released from below or above and some drawings appear on the ground... the underground opens along with some ruins and the celestial islands fall to a height normal and some strange rocks will be generated on the ground "the sanctuaries zone" that will open a portal to the past to the era of the founding of Hyrule, including second floor sanctuaries, which do not have roots... false Zelda appear, being the yiga women who met Zelda dressed as a Hylian and Ganondorf's elemental heralds who met Zelda dressed as a zonan... 5 minutes later the first crimson moon in years would occur) 6-A NEW CRIMSON MOON (the corrupted golem of the castle abyss, created by Ganondorf, generates the ancient warrior golems, capable of appearing in celestial structures, sacred structures and also capable of destroying any organism, including the evil one... the royal griok of evil aura, spreads its power beyond, the now yes, open underground and is capable of generating real dragons and dragons of different elements that will travel to the surface and to the sky... some monsters excavate caves on the surface releasing the likelike and horroblin, breaking the calm by satoly... the temple of thunder emerges from the invisible thick earth and the visible fine sand, it generates a power around it allowing the gibdo to stop being fossilized and emerge from below the surrounding sand if not there are hives... Days later Link wakes up on some islands in the sky)

Zelda being dragon was cannon and barring fan theory I thought Hyrule warriors isn't cannon. I don't know because I know Nintendo doesn't always explain stuff. But also Nintendo not that hard to follow timeline without games, granted I just want filler cuz like more lore

Being involved in the story means nothing canonically. Just means they probably gave them a notebook with drawings and story notes. Maybe coding for their models so they didnt have to start from scratch. Aoc is so easily noncanon. Teriko went into the past and link doesnt have the mastersword. The the present he cane from, Link got the mastersword at a very young age and known as the choosen hero long before when teriko would have arrived. Its just a fun zelda themed hack n slash game. Just like hyrule warrior 1

Bro age of calamity is not a canon game

the thing is that nintendo oficially said that HW AoC wasnt a canon to the story... wich i dont beleave... i think your theories makes sense in some way, but in regards of my opinions, i wanna dissagree with nintendo... i say that HW AoC WAS a canon story for TLoZ BoW and ToK.... great video, i did like it...

None of the Hyrule Warriors are canon and will never be canon, making a new one showing Ganondorf and the imprisoning war is an awful idea the story is already bad as it is please don't try to make it worse,let Nintendo get over it and make a new game.