This did not even cross my mind but you're 100% right.

A key difference being the pirate in TotBF didn't kill his crew to make the bodies to make the raft, but sure.

@@WisecrackEDU 17:30 why do you omitted certain historical facts? This is not the first time you white wash crimes against humanity to proof your point... en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

​@@mirosawirzyk5247 Could you elaborate on how the video "white-washes" crimes against humanity? Not just a wikipedia link.

@@mirosawirzyk5247 Explaining the concept of interpreting history based on prior events and not giving a full analysis on the events brought forth does not "white wash... crimes against humanity". This video isn't about analyzing those events. That just served as an EXAMPLE to better explain the CONCEPT to viewers of this video and use that concept in their analysis of Watchmen. The topic of the video titled "The Philosophy of Watchmen (HBO)". Not "Analysis of Generalplan OST"

It was very curios that his wife suffered the same treatment. In the early episodes she appears as a darling kind sweetheart of a woman, but in the final episodes her mask slips and we see her true ugly bigoted face. In the last episode even her voice changes to a deeper tone. That was a very nice touch which i just realized after reading your comment. Man i have to watch it again!

Aw man i didn't know einstein was just a watchmen character

@@enternalking8527 He's the one watching the Watchmen.

Honestly I think we would've invented nuclear weapons without him eventually.

@@Anonymous-zd1ow he knows that, thats why he said that he rather becoma a watchmaker, to free him from the burden

This was the moment Albert Einstein became watchmen.

Let's hope this time he will not white wash the crimes od Stalin or Mao...

17:36 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

What a lovely day

I like him a lot more than the guy in the baseball cap, who always looks like he’s laughing at his own ‘jokes.’

Seriously how perfect?

Incredible commentary right here, mate, very weird indeed to see a man who wears clothes wear clothes

@@Weeb1367he doesn’t wear clothes lmao, that’s why it’s weird.

DOWNGRADE of the Watchmen

I sometimes wonder if the writers of the show gave Angela the last name abar just to have that punchline in an episode title.

Breaking Bad's Ozymandias and BoJack Horseman's The View From Halfway Down are the most critically- acclaimed episodes of TV but I understand the sentiment, that was a great episode.

TheWatcher328 I’m glad the critics have favourites too.

1983horizons1 I rewatched that episode last month and it gets better after each viewing. The writing for that episode was phenomenal

1983horizons1 I’ve honestly watched this same episode at least 4-5 times

Brought me to tears

Even though I really don't like her character I agree with that statement. She was channelling her pain through a mask buy never healed from it.

The most memorable point of this show.

You need air.

It took him that long to figure that out. 🤷🏾‍♂️

Or at least it would be, if it weren't only one season

@@ECL28E I like how the fact that its only 1 season long subverts the "Nothing ever ends" tag line.

I haven't been impressed with Irons in anything I've seen him in before but he is CRUSHING IT as Veidt!

javvieh I’m just saying is that he looks good in the role

@@javvieh you haven't been impressed by Jeremy irons in the past?? You do know he was the voice of Scar in the original Lion King.. Right?

Jeremy is an absolute BALLER. We should relish every role we get to see him in. He was especially great here because he fits not only the look of Adrian from the comic book, but also his style and personality. What better man to play a megalomaniacal, self-righteous "raging narcissist" as he puts it. The man commends a spectacular presence on screen and one cannot help but just sit and listen to him.

I knew I couldn't have been the only one who was bopping to the themes

"How America was really won" gave me goosebumps.

I love that the episode in an almost religious awe where we found at the end that Dr Manhattan is Angelas husband. The piano portion of david bowies Is there life on mars plays.

🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼

Check out the score to VIETNAM By Ken Burns .. Trent and Co. Are just amazing..he has exploded with talent one wouldn't think was from NIN. Unless you're a deep fan, such as I.lol

Hi, well I'm not in the same place actually. I'm a 22 years old Armenian who live in Turkey. For my part, First, I see that the governement uses this sort of historical information as some kind of political power element. The governement compose it's own character by acknowledging it or teaching/spreading it in controll. Or not even mentioning sometimes. Second, it's the people who passed this incident, usually don't talk about it. I heard about Armenian "mass deplacement/genocide"(whatever is the name..) when I was 14/15 years old. And I even now I don't know what exactly happened objectively speaking... Armenians who live in Turkey usually have more tendency to adapt in this area. In this case it's hard to dig a wound and live with pain. I see that in this place peole have tendency to forget it time to time to continue to live. I'm sure that kind of subject always need time to reveal still, I suppose it's something at least good even starting to talk about it..you know. I have no connetions to black culture frankly. But it made me feel connected to see this kind of moments can also have connecting value in it. I hope you to may have valeuble journey about it man :)

It sounds like knowledge of it was actively suppressed, at least in public. That's why you have to tell your kids about everything you've experienced. You can't trust strangers to tell your story.

I only learned about it recently too. No accident that history books seem to forget it.

If you consider yourself a history nut, then do your own research outside of what you learn in school, especially high school. School is full of bias to paint the US beautiful colors, hiding it's dark secrets to the youths in school. That is why they don't teach these kinds of events in the school system because it shows the US' true colors in a way that the people will begin to oppose its policies.

Adrian Trujillo oh no I do it’s just so hard to find good information on that stuff

Petey was Lubeguy! :) He got busted

Since the beginning I thought it was him, it was kinda obvious, but I didn't remember him being busted 🤔

@@maximuscesar It's in Peteypedia

Here’s a shitty guess: It was Nite-Owl.

@@SleepyBoi_9000 Who was petey?

Elon musk*

But all we've seen is man's inhumanity to man; a grim reality rarely enclosed within the pages of a comic book or blockbuster movie.

sconnor8469 the attempt and subsequent failure to unite man under a common fear applies

....he’s evil and genius enough to create a plague that bypasses his universe and jumps into ours. I see it

King Mob To stop Trump and Kim Jon un launching us into nuclear Armageddon. Genius! 🤣

This is literally what Roshack believed and told Dr Manhattan at the end of the movie, always tell the truth never compromise It's kind of weird how he became the bad guy in the series

Gavin Wentworth it's because it's a horrible cycle of focused disenfranchisement to generate a profit off of people and maintain an air of superiority over said people's. I've come to grips with the fact that nothing is ever Truly solved just fixed for a time and a Price because there's no money in solving problems.

C V Rorschach isn’t portrayed as the bad guy in the series 💀

@@madnizz1511 yeah I feel like a lot of people misinterpret him. He was flawed for sure but so is everyone in the show. Hes not so much a bad guy as he is a for lack of a better term a useful idiot as he believed in inherent righteousness that people just didn't have and he ended up creating the very things we wanted to destroy in his death

@@cv4809 but he didn't become the bad guy of the show, though. Rorscharch was in no way involved with the Kavalry, they stole his identity (the mask) and twisted his legacy to justify their own agenda.

Dauda András Crybaby

Dauda András Okay

Same!

There was the issue of it being locked behind a paywall. Also, everyone was yelling *"ESJAYDUBBLEYOO PROPAGANDA!!!1!"* for the first few months, so waiting for that to calm down was a good idea.

Hawkatana Anti-sjw's are pretty much just as bad as Sjw's now. They literally act in the same exact way lol.

Did you really wonder why? Its because they either can't or dont want to discuss black topics. Its the same reason most people will say Killmonger was too extreme in black panther but allow the Avengers to do the exact same thing for the exact same reason in Endgame.

@@kingjoeblack5 Maybe it's because they're also a fan of the graphic novel, and this took that and completely twisted it. Novel was political, sure. Not about race. Rorschach has been murdered as a character because the bulk of people will go off of what they saw in this show and associate him with racism. He was probably the least biased character in the novel. And also the most beloved.

@ShaddowSabbath Nice straw man. I bet that'll get you some good social morality currency.

😬

@@neurotic_nerd3808 its not that bad but def not "one of the greatest shows ever made"

Jep people really can't stand feeling uncomfortable AT ALL..so much so that we humans can't empathise on the most basic things

A sad truth I realised after watching the finale and happily bounding towards KZfaq expecting unilateral praise. This show was a masterpiece and highly adept at discussing such uncomfortable views. If only more shows existed like this, it would lead to an enlightened society. Alas, not many can put their feelings and prejudices aside to embrace truth.

Oh boy do I relate with this in some deep ways. That being said, appreciating that race is important to them (those who have really experienced it) is still super important even if it isn't the main factor in your own empathy.

@T S Depends on your meaning. With how brief your question is and your use of the word your (did you mean you're?) there are certainly explanations that could include changing fundamental aspects of who you are when you accept you're more than just a "victim of past trauma" (that is, a "Mask" in HBO's opinion) even though those around you still focus on that aspect. It's not easy to do that, to see yourself in a manner society at large doesn't, but nothing in HBO's story is about making easy choices.

ScuzoidMelee Yeah that’s what I dislike about western media and education system. Anytime a reference is made to black history, all we’re ever shown is slave ships and the civil rights movement. Black history is deeper and more illustrious than just that.

Zalintis So sad we’re not getting a season 2. So many fans hated it the main conclusion I come to as to why saddens me further.

@@iwantgoals1566 while I'd say I dont want a second season as first one was so self contained, I also felt that way about the novel! Haha

@@iwantgoals1566 The creator has stated that it was always going to be a 1 season show. I think he said that before the show even aired. It's just a contained story that was never meant to be continued.

@@V.elociraptor which is a good thing, as it meant the team was focused on telling a complete story in one go.

The word is CANON. A cannon is a weapon.

@@kuhpunkt Yeah, you're right. But I'm not stupid, I just don't write english sentences that often.

Future video, Cypher?

Tory Spring I remember how disgusted I felt when I’d only just found out that the Tulsa race riots were real after watching Watchmen. A lot of our history, good or bad has been suppressed by western education systems. I only found out about the Tuskigi air men when I was a teenager and my parents have spent their whole lives reminding me that Nigeria, the land that I hail from, has a rich history of a political innovation and wonderful natural resources. The point Wisecrack made during the vid was spot on, the current state of the media/propaganda machine does feel like political or psychological warfare on people of ethnic backgrounds.

As a German it feels kinda ironic how the US put the "culprit history" in every germans head but deny their own culprit.

@Bobby Slater Yeah the US mainstream thinking is probably what gives them their power: "we are the good guys". If somebody else makes the same thing as we do, it is bad! But if we do it, it is good, because we are the good guys!

@@k3daevin seriously, let's talk how the German media omitted the responsibility for WW2... How still people who Dr Mengele experimented on must fight in court for compensation for there lost health? The SHIT what YOUR nation has done during WW2 does not compare the the White Supremist crimes... Just one example Sosnowiec (South of Poland) in a orphanage the SS had a game "poping the skulls" of children (age 1 - 6) they jumped on the head of a kid if the head popped they won. After WW2 53 bodies were digged out with smashed heads.

Mirosław Irzyk German soldiers during WW2 were straight savages same as those lynch mobs, corrupt officials, jealous neighbors, and white supremacist.

Poop...pure poop.

ORRIBLE SHOW. Stoped watching at the second episode.

Bleach. Nuff said.

It wasn't entertainment; it was propaganda.

It wasn't Watchmen, like at all. It was straight up political propaganda with a side of white guilt wrapped up in a Watchmen skin suit.

Me too.

Totally! Those Podcasts are boring.

This cannot be said enough.

Absolutely fantastic. Thank you for putting this into words.

The movie is almost a line-to-line reproduction of the graphic novel, a very faithful adaptation, so what you are describing isn't because of Snyder's presentation. The characters in the movie and book are the same. It is simply because Moore wrote a good antihero, maybe one that was too good for his own liking - to the point where he would go on to criticize his own readers for liking Rorschach despite his flaws. And how could people not? The things supposedly making him unlikable is dressing like a dirty hobo, being lonesome, looking down on other people because of his strict moral standards and being sadistically violent, but those things only make him unpleasant, in comparison to the objectively evil people he is getting rid of and his faithfulness to truth. I think that is the only reason Watchmen is such a good read, the opposition between genocidal Ozymandias acting like a self-appointed messiah in comparison to the angry maniac Rorschach who, despite not measuring up to any image of an ideal and balanced "good person" is actually doing the right thing. Had he written it as a black-and-white, good vs. evil type story, it would have been total trash, so perhaps he accidentally wrote something a lot more thoughtful than his personal political ideology.

The movie on its own isn’t too bad. Sure it misunderstands it’s source material at some points but considering how unfilmable the original story was, we should be glad that we got the movie at all. Besides, visually it acts as a good supplement to the comics by bringing certain scenes to life in spectacular fashion

Regarding the HBO show, I had already made up my mind after watching a few videos on KZfaq. It seemed like The Last of Us 2: a dumpster fire where the criticism was constantly being deflected into a woke vs anti woke internet war. I’m very glad that I actually watched it anyway to make up my own mind about it.. it does an excellent job at preserving some critical themes from the original, but adapting it to tell a story about race. If only they didn’t get Dr Manhattan so horribly wrong in the show

I think your philosophical vocabulary is just fine. Don't let people tell you otherwise. And yes I agree. The jump from cynicism to optimism not only reflects snyder's version, but also Moore's. I like how the show ends with well, a black woman becoming God. Too on the nose??? I think not. Every kind of racial prejudice influences history, politics, society etc so the animal of 17th century becomes a literal God in 21st. But the social very intelligent I might also underlines the racial divide right now. It's interesting to think how the supposedly suppressed white man of this century is reflected in our art. Well with films like the green book you can actually see it happening.

Can someone break this down for me better cause I feel what is being said but I'm not grasping the content

AFRO_NiNjA25 Perhaps helping you understand can help me articulate it better. Do you mind letting me know which part you don’t understand?

"slides into storm drain"

Ready to enter.

Too bad the show starts to dip in quality right after that episode

Superheroes and Philosophy, by Matt Morris and Tom Morris, Carus Publishing Company

issue was less the wokeness, issue is the writing was trash. Comic plot was a multi layered story about ethics, is it ok to kill one million to save billions, a super powered being questing what is the point of life when your the most over powered thing in the world. The show's plot was a mary sue character has to stop a racist whit person gang because racism is bad.

@@dmcoub78 Mary Sue implies Angela had no flaws when she was engaging in police brutality throughout the show, something she learned from being an officer in Vietnam where people are executed for terrorist crimes. Goes back to police abusing their power, like racist cops who ACTUALLY JOINED THE KKK IRL. And that's not multi-layered to you? Just cause it deals with black people problems? Did you watch this video? The show's plot was about the cruelty of men in masks and how lingering trauma from that can grow through generations, which is explored through Adrian's story, through the Vietnam subplot with Manhattan being used to enforce American idealism, through Angela's story, through Will's story, and through Looking Glass's story. There's literally all of that and all you can focus on is the group that didn't even end up being the real bad guys in the end and killed themselves through their own stupidity.

@@GoliathWarfare My toughts exactly.

@@GoliathWarfare bingo. dmcoub78 that was a tool ass comment

@@dmcoub78 offended white boy. Minorities are taking my white heroes away. I knew there was at least going to be one in the comments

this seams like some sort of math problem " at what point will 50% have experienced it ?"

I thought it was the white power symbol used irl

So its like saying "butthead"? XD

@@mancamiatipoola Um... yes.

Hair loss?

Bernardo Heusi - The sponsor pitch portion claimed the product eased the symptoms of hair loss _as well_ as stimulating new hair growth. So, if the symptoms of hair loss aren’t the same as growing hair, what the heck are they?

Justice requires power though. Untethered, we have little to no motivation to think twice about frivolous act of violence and/or greed we'd otherwise perhaps easily get away with. And even with a justice system there exists a continuous criminal element. Nothing ever ends.

@@FredEdeXIII these things come from capitalism tho. so we need to abolish it, anf power respectively

Power, justice, and crime exists outside of any economic system. We just have to keep pushing towards progress.

@@FredEdeXIII Justice and crime may be relative depending on context, but the thing that determines them is absolute. Power is absolute. Power shapes the paradigms of justice and crime we have. So, in my opinion, the question then becomes, who has that power?

Also it requires power to move. Your body is electrical goo, that’s all our nervous system is, powered by other electrical goo. Ultimately it’s up to the individual to stay out of harms way and to not contribute harm, because if one were to think power is the problem, well you’re simply better off dead, because once again, you literally couldn’t circulate your blood without power. All other forms of power are simply abstractions. There is no power that “THEY” have, because “THEY” are just a bunch of “YOUs”. You don’t have to take on a “they” because “they” is an abstraction. All power is, is energy. You are energy. If you look after yourself and conduct yourself in a harmonious way with your immediate surroundings at all times, that’s what living a good life is about. Not thinking about some fictitious “they” somewhere over the horizon, when all of the individuals that make up the “they” have their own fears/anxieties/hopes/dreams/etc. This whole “power” thing in the way people mostly think about it have been completely had by propaganda, which is completely conceptual. You’ve basically let an idea, or ghost, control your entire reality. Good luck with that.

17:36 the proof the show is sometime dumb as f!!ck en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

@Mors Gelida it is simply shitting on dozen of European countries and on few milion people that died during WW2...

Nah. I like that it was a contained story

@@mirosawirzyk5247 I see this comment all over the comment section, what do you mean?! Do you want them to mention Generalplan Ost as well as discussing the Holocaust?

im honestly glad it's not getting a season 2

@@Chris-rg6nm those people get nervous when two or more non white men are on screen.

@@Chris-rg6nm dude 2 words blue dildo. I onestly do not care about politics but this show was bad cmn.

@@francescosanson7148 What do you have against blue dildos?

more like "communism does not exist" or "communism is about benefical equality"

And calling themselves Antifa as if everyone will think they aren't

@@jandemars580 nazis wore the symbol maga wear maga hats and chant for one man. Antifa don't chant for one person they are opportunists. You only say antifa to deflect from truth you know if any crowd is like the nazis is the maga crowd who wear nazi attires and carry the nazi flag and storm government buildings.

Which evil

The reason it thrives: It's not because of those who commit the evil acts. It's because of those who turn a blind eye and pretend like the evil acts are not happening in the first place. Being silent is being complicit.

@Michael Freed On the other hand lobbying needs to exist because the public is pretty stupid in general and need to be tricked into doing the right choices. It all depends on the people in charge.

@Michael Freed Lobbying refers to a politician or public official seeking to influence an issue. These people are voted in by the public because they are usually more intelligent and display leadership qualities. Im saying lobbying is needed to persuade people to address an issue. Whether its for good or for bad depends on the politician or public official they elected.

@Michael Freed I think our opinions on the intelligence of the people compared to our public officials and politicians is different. I also believe persuading people without money is considered lobbying. This why I think lobbying is necessary.

lol it is about a very different theme than the original

The point of the show, as with any work of art, is that it had many points and each person is free to see whatever they want to see in it. When you try to single out "the point" to whatever it is in YOUR vision, you not only limit yourself, but you stare down at other people from a preverbial tall horse, resting comfortably in the illusion that only you are right and others are wrong. Do not fall into the trappings of Adrian Voidt and become as cynical and self righteous as he was. It's not a good place to be, my friend...

My favorite part of this watchmen series was Meta... It triggered all of the 'Right' people ❄️

@@arcarsenal1380 facts

Yeah Jared one more time shits on few dozen countries and few milion people killed on WW2 17:36 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

I'm sorry, but what you just said is just extremely absurd. Especially when you actually consider how stupid the ending to the show is. Simply because of the many plot-holes in Manhattan's plan and what Angela does, starting with: 1. WHY THE HECK WOULD MANHATTAN GIVE HIS POWERS TO ANGELA? The show just established Manhattan didn't sacrifice himself because HE WAS A DANGER to the world, he did so because HIS POWER BEING IN THE WORLD at all resulted in other parties trying to attain it. So by passing his powers off to Angela, all Manhattan has done is put the woman he supposedly loves in extreme danger. What happens if someone finds out that Angela had been given Manhattan's powers and finds a way to take them? What if Lady Trieu's daughter/mother grows up with a chip on her shoulder and comes for vengeance? Also, even though the Millennium Clock was destroyed, the capability of taking Manhattan's powers still exists. 2. Something that was never explained in the show is to what extent are Manhattan's powers being adopted. So in terms of Keene, Trieu, and Angela gaining Manhattan's powers, I'm sure they would take his teleportation powers, his ability to mold matter, but would that also include his PERCEPTION OF TIME. The whole point of Manhattan being such an all-powerful superhuman was that his perception of time made him so apathetic that he didn't even bother to use his powers for while nothing bad, nor for any real good on Earth. So wouldn't the same happened to Keene, Trieu or Angela? Again, it's very much glossed over in the show, but it make's Keene and Trieu's plan pretty stupid. Because are they really just gonna assume that they won't turn to complete and utter apathy due to their warped perception of time? And if they think not, WHY? Same for Angela too. 3. If you're argument the fact that, "But the ending is ambiguous, so we don't actually know if Angela got the power.", here's why that's even more stupid. Ambiguous endings only work, WHEN THEY HAVE A POINT. When the answer to a particular question would detract from the theme of the story. Some of my favorite films like 12 Angry Men, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Taxi Driver, The Thing, Blade Runner, Total Recall, American Psycho, Doubt, Inception, an A Separation have ambiguous endings. But that's because the focus of what we were seeking an answer to wasn't to point of the movies. In the graphic novel of Watchmen, the ambiguous ending as to what will happen when Rorschach's journal is revealed to the world has a point. Because Alan Moore never intended for an answer to be given. Whereas in the show, the ambiguous ending really has no purpose and doesn't make any sort of point. If Angela has been given Manhattan's powers, then we are faced with the problems I've already discussed. But if Angela hasn't been given Manhattan's powers and she just face-plants into the pool.... well okay. But either way, whether she got the powers or not, not showing the audience the outcome doesn't do anything. It doesn't offer a prompt discussion there are no thematic elements to dissect and talk about. They just don't show us the ending. And instead of coming off as deep or insightful, it comes off as pretentious and condescending as crap. So yeah, I have never seen a show where the writers didn't seem to care at all what choices they made to run the story ending up as a total disaster. No amount of awards will ever make a show like this a masterpiece.