Notorious Child Abduction Leads to "America's Most Wanted" | Adam Walsh Case Analysis

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Dr. Todd Grande

Dr. Todd Grande

Жыл бұрын

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@maureeningleston1501
@maureeningleston1501 Жыл бұрын
This case is worse than any horror movie. Your child being abducted, murdered and only his head being found 😱 I honestly don't know how any parent survives that. I respect John Walsh for channeling his need for justice to drive him into playing a part in so many criminals being caught. It must be agonising that Adams killer never faced justice.
@TiffWaffles
@TiffWaffles Жыл бұрын
I remember watching a documentary about the Adam Walsh case. I knew the history of John Walsh from watching America's Most Wanted but I never knew the specifics until I watched that documentary. I remember being utterly heartbroken for Adam's parents. Can't imagine the heartache and pain that both Renee and John felt when they realised that their son wasn't just missing but was murdered and all they found was his head. When John Walsh got to the part where he was describing how he felt when he realised that all that was ever going to be found was his son's head, it shattered my heart into thousands of pieces. You can tell that he's still in a lot of pain. My mother was born in the same year that Adam was. Sad to think that little Adam never got a chance to live his life because he crossed paths with a monster. He would be turning 48 years old this November if none of this happened.
@tankthearc9875
@tankthearc9875 Жыл бұрын
if he wasnt taken, john would never have the career he had. always a weird thing to think about.
@BeesWaxMinder
@BeesWaxMinder Жыл бұрын
Were the “group of older boys“ who got kicked out of the store ever identified? Could THEY not’ve shed some light on the matter…?
@annedenman3312
@annedenman3312 Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the Michael Donahee case from BC. While playing in a park across the street from his home and was abducted. Poof, no trace, no reckoning nor closure for his parents. He is still in my prayers every night.
@CowToes
@CowToes Жыл бұрын
Boomer parents....
@Charlotte66666
@Charlotte66666 Жыл бұрын
Poor Adam, it's every parents nightmare.
@andriaknobel5241
@andriaknobel5241 Жыл бұрын
The 80’s were extremely different. We were allowed to stay outside all day with hardly anyone checking in on us. We came home when the street lights came on.
@victoriawilliams2786
@victoriawilliams2786 Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@blatantanarchist
@blatantanarchist Жыл бұрын
I remember growing up in the 70s and 80s and the kids knew who the weirdos were. We also watched videos about stranger danger in school.
@ciararyan9370
@ciararyan9370 Жыл бұрын
I was allowed to ride my bike all over town in the 80’s, but lots of people still let their kids do that now. My mom always kept us with her in stores; we were never left anywhere. We were also warned about strangers when I was a little kid in the 70’s, though I did walk through the neighborhood from school on my own most days (it was not on a main road and we didn’t have many odd people roaming around). I think the internet has made us more aware of danger, and there are more people in this country now on top of that, but it’s not like the 70’s and 80’s were so innocent. There was a little kid murdered in the park up the road from our house by a stranger when I was around 15.
@Nylak-Otter
@Nylak-Otter Жыл бұрын
This was still true in the 90's. I was born in the later 80's, and in the early to mid 90's my friends and I could walk to elementary school, a local park, and reach a massive forest/reserve on foot that my house backed into, where we built treehouses and forts and made deer trails into cleared paths and mapped them. We got lost all the time and ended up in neighborhoods miles away that also backed into the forest, and we'd just find a house with a phone sometime in the evening or night when we finally got out. We wouldn't go home until we collected everyone who was out playing, so no one kid would be left behind and "get in trouble."
@MrOctober44
@MrOctober44 Жыл бұрын
I think Adam's murder changed that...
@julieblair168
@julieblair168 Жыл бұрын
So many parents would leave their kids in the toy department while shopping for something else. I have done this myself, certainly not for 90 minutes, but I have done it in the 1980s. Now in big enclosed malls if a child is reported missing, all doors leading outside are automatically locked so no one can leave until the child is found. A really good idea if the parent reports this immediately.
@MrsRitchieBlackmore
@MrsRitchieBlackmore Жыл бұрын
When I worked at TJ Maxx in the late '00s, parents would do the same thing! 😕 And didn't IKEA have a play area where you could leave your kids while you shopped? My brother and I LOVED that!
@normacook8325
@normacook8325 Жыл бұрын
@@MrsRitchieBlackmore and our local bookstore had a train table in the children's area that would occupy little ones while you shopped or got a coffee!
@stormyskyz4251
@stormyskyz4251 Жыл бұрын
A lot of stores participate in what’s called Code Adam, which is named after Adam Walsh. Home Depot and Walmart do. We were trained to lock doors and check children for disguises, we would get on the intercoms and state we have a “Code Adam.”
@TiffWaffles
@TiffWaffles Жыл бұрын
Yeah, some parents today think that the toy sections of bookshops, malls, and big name box stores (like Walmart) are great places to leave their children while they do their shopping for other things. It's like, if you can't handle your children shopping with you because they're going to misbehave or cause trouble, don't bring them when you're doing shopping. Find a baby sitter or something. I remember being at a Chapters to look for a birthday present for my sister and some mother was getting yelled at for leaving her three children (all under the age of five and included a child under the age of 1) unattended in the children's section for TWO HOURS while she browsed the shelves and went to the store's Starbucks to enjoy some time alone with her friends. Not sure what happened with her- but I hope that the store called police and got a child protection group involved. The store was even calling for her on the intercom because her very young children were there for hours wrecking havoc on the bookstore and the eldest child was expected to feed the youngest when they got hungry, too...
@rucianapollard7098
@rucianapollard7098 Жыл бұрын
My brother and I grew up during this time and it was just a given, if we went to Walmart, my brother and I automatically went to the toy isle while my mom shopped. After Adam Walsh, that came to an end.
@melindaduncan3073
@melindaduncan3073 Жыл бұрын
I remember being a child at sears with my family I was walking down an isle that I thought my dad was on and someone grabbed my hand and I thought it was my dad. It ended up being an older white male and I started crying really loud as screaming for my dad. He let go and left and an employee came and got me. They took me to the candy section and called for my parents on the intercom. My mom and dad came running. I remember the employee gave me an ice cream cone. That’s back when sears used to have a big ice cream, candy section. I will never forget that and after that I make sure my kids or grandkids are in my site or in my cart or holding my hand or something but I don’t let them go off even if they’re together. That was so scary
@eadweard.
@eadweard. Жыл бұрын
What was more frightening: almost being abducted - or learning that it was a white male?
@blackbartthepoet3820
@blackbartthepoet3820 Жыл бұрын
So glad everything ended up ok! When I was like 8 I went with my mom to a doctors in Philly. While we were waiting I asked if I could run out to the hot dog stand to get some chips and a young foreign couple kept asking me to go with them and they’d buy me something to eat. even after I already said no and my mom was inside. The woman tried to go for my hand and I took off.
@PrimericanIdol
@PrimericanIdol Жыл бұрын
@@eadweard. love the obscure racism..🤣
@bigbilly2052
@bigbilly2052 Жыл бұрын
Admittedly it is strange but isn't it more likely that the man wasn't an abuser than that it was? I would imagine so. I would imagine that a fraction of people are weirdos and then a fraction of those with malicious intent. Maybe he was socially inept and wanted companionship. But it's understandable you got scared i would too.
@rosagaldamez6730
@rosagaldamez6730 Жыл бұрын
@@eadweard. what kind of question is this mam??? Of course is about someone you dont know taking you. 🙄🙄🙄show empathy its freee.
@nathanmay1070
@nathanmay1070 Жыл бұрын
Otis Toole has always looked like something out of the movie 'The Hills Have Eyes'. He was Evil personified.
@caucasoidape8838
@caucasoidape8838 Жыл бұрын
Both him, and Henry Lee Lucas look like they came out EC comics.
@elfeo2534
@elfeo2534 Жыл бұрын
Herny is the guy from Texas chainsaw massacre the dad
@nathanmay1070
@nathanmay1070 Жыл бұрын
@@elfeo2534 The Original. He certainly does look like it. They were sick and twisted.
@sharolddelilahkelly8005
@sharolddelilahkelly8005 Жыл бұрын
@@caucasoidape8838 Both Were Casual Lovers, Off/On For Years Until Lucas Hooked Up W Toole's Niece: (Frieda "Becky" Powell, Underaged @ The Time),That He'd Recruited As A Co-Conspiritor...And Then He'd Eventually Permanently Expended Her, To The Grave.
@Angie_bae
@Angie_bae 3 ай бұрын
@@caucasoidape8838they look inbred
@lt7378
@lt7378 Жыл бұрын
My mother-in-law told me all the mothers used to leave their babies outside the grocery stores to go inside to shop! She said it was very common where you’d see a bunch of baby buggies all together outside the store entrance. I watched an older movie that did have that scenario so she wasn’t making it up. But wow!
@kiiltochii1607
@kiiltochii1607 2 ай бұрын
We leave babies (and toddlers) to sleep outside in Finland. Even in winter
@razzking
@razzking Жыл бұрын
It was very common prior to the 1960's in the USA, even in big cities, to let children take the bus unattended, across town to Grandma's or wherever, with a note pinned to his jacket with his name, address, and phone # if applicable. Having all those adults around, on the street, on the bus, or on the subway was considered a safety feature. Who's going to harm a small child with all those people around? And my father was a policeman in Philadelphia in those days.
@SY-ok2dq
@SY-ok2dq Жыл бұрын
Kids in Japan, even quite young kids, still do that today, without any notes pinned on them or anything like that. Parents are busy there, with the Japanese working notoriously long hours. Kids learn to get themselves to school, and their after school academies and so on by themselves, on public transport and on foot. Of course, there's a far greater confidence in public safety, on the streets, in Japan. This is aided by a very homogeneous society with a shared culture that emphasizes strict behavioral codes. Back in the 1960s, there was a notorious case of 3 young siblings who disappeared in Adelaide, Australia. It created shockwaves there, and the mystery of the missing Beaumont children remains well remembered today. The Beaumont children were very young, and they set off together to the beach on their own, which was just a short bus ride away. Their mother gave them just enough change for their fare - a fact which became very significant in the case after it wad revealed that the children had gone into a pie shop there and bought pies for all the kids, and ordered another for some other person. And paid for it with pound notes - far more than the coins and change their mother gave them. It was extremely common back then, and the norm really, for young kids to take the bus, go down to the beach or shops etc., unaccompanied by a parent or adult guardian. Nobody gave it a second thought. Until the Beaumont children vanished without a trace. It's a mystery that was never solved, although there were details of witnesses who saw thw children with a man (whom they presumed to be the kids' father).
@ericsierra-franco7802
@ericsierra-franco7802 Жыл бұрын
I'm from the suburbs of Philadelphia and as a young kid in the 70's my parents let my brother and I wander and roam all over the place without supervision.
@Sweetmotion23
@Sweetmotion23 Жыл бұрын
@@SY-ok2dq the show on Netflix, Old Enough!, is literally about kids running errands around Japan. It’s cute but definitely shows that they expect kids to walk around by themselves
@kenya1067
@kenya1067 Жыл бұрын
@@Sweetmotion23 I think I've seen clips about that. I wonder why they chose that title. I hope it doesn't lure in creepy people. The clips are adorable. But there have been too many stories on just about every continent. I don't think I'd trust letting kids roam alone. (I guess they have a camera crew, but otherwise nope)
@kakashi101able
@kakashi101able Жыл бұрын
Kids still went missing back then but it was not blown up in the media back then. My aunt during the 70s was almost abducted. I highly recommend watching a movie from 1930 called M. It is based on a kidnapper serial killer.
@pou618
@pou618 Жыл бұрын
Say what you want about John Walsh but what happened to his sweet, innocent little boy was a gut wrenching and almost unspeakable horror. Non of us can fully feel what he or his wife went through or how we would react under the same circumstances. He had every right to be mad as hell and he channelled it into a t.v. show about capturing criminals no one else could find. I for one was sad to see America's Most Wanted go off the air. And let's not be too hasty to judge him.
@skycloud4802
@skycloud4802 Жыл бұрын
Well said
@lisadabbs2181
@lisadabbs2181 Жыл бұрын
I remember him saying once that "He'd be forever the father of a murdered child". I can't imagine a worse fate. I would be so consumed with anger and bitterness if something so horrible happened to me.
@Melinamiu007
@Melinamiu007 Жыл бұрын
Dr Grande is saying that no crime should negate the ability to reason. You totally missed the point. Even « channeling your anger » should be done with reason. He also committed a crime but didn’t do the time, yet he thought everyone else should at the same level of harshness.
@Decgyrrl
@Decgyrrl Жыл бұрын
Damn right👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@lf9341
@lf9341 Жыл бұрын
@@lisadabbs2181 I would kill myself.
@mikehuff9793
@mikehuff9793 Жыл бұрын
I grew up in the 80’s and remember all this. My mom swore if I were ever kidnapped I would be brought back before sundown. Her faith in my ability to annoy the hell out of my abductor trumped any fear of stranger danger 🤣
@FavoretFox
@FavoretFox Жыл бұрын
When I worked at Toys R Us we trained on the Code Adam situation where we had to monitor exit doors and had nearly all our workers actively search for the missing child. I always took them super seriously knowing the story of Adam back when I was only 17. It’s heartbreaking stuff
@tq999
@tq999 Жыл бұрын
We miss Toys R Us
@billie6814
@billie6814 Жыл бұрын
Woah
@toriamari649
@toriamari649 Жыл бұрын
Just started working at toys r us and they still teach us this !
@AFBudgets
@AFBudgets Жыл бұрын
@@tq999 they are in macys now
@473kittycat
@473kittycat Жыл бұрын
Walmart has a code adam too
@kayzbluegenes
@kayzbluegenes Жыл бұрын
One of the worst scares of my life was experienced due to this 'stranger danger' panic. My son was born in 1981, so the Adam Walsh story was well known and horrifically implanted in my psyche. When my son was about 4 yrs old, he, his 13 yr old sister and I were mall shopping (small children's clothing store). My son was right there with us... then he wasn't. We repeatedly called his name, searched the store, then immediate area outside the store; he was nowhere to be found. I cannot begin to describe the absolute panic and sense of helplessness that overtook me.. I could not think of what the proper thing to do might be (there was no cell phone, no 911, at that time); frozen with fear, I could not think at all. Long story short (too late) the little $h1t was hiding inside a circular rack of clothes, laughing at our panic! One of those times that you don't know whether to hug your child 😓🤗 or kill him! 😠😤
@rock8465
@rock8465 Жыл бұрын
Darn kid.... he got a kick am sure.... but in your shoes, my soul would have said goodbye to my body!
@barbn
@barbn Жыл бұрын
Wow, I cannot imagine!
@purewonka
@purewonka Жыл бұрын
I did that as a kid, too. The circular racks were a lot of fun for a kid.
@SmilusMusic
@SmilusMusic Жыл бұрын
LMAO
@beatricelicon5349
@beatricelicon5349 Жыл бұрын
My son, born in 1982, did the same thing! He was only 2 1/2 & disappeared in a Sears store. Store employees, my mother & myself were frantic. We found him laughing under one of those circular racks. I went straight over to the children’s department & purchased a harness with a leash. I made him wear it in crowded areas until he started to school. I used to get some of the dirtiest looks & comments from people, but after experiencing even a few minutes of that kind of terror I didn’t care what anyone else thought.
@Lostcamp
@Lostcamp Жыл бұрын
Gotta say...if what happened to the Walsh family happened to me, I would be using cocaine and marijuana as well
@trotter7679
@trotter7679 Жыл бұрын
There are more constructive ways to cope with trauma
@MarcusFenix50
@MarcusFenix50 Жыл бұрын
@@trotter7679 No kidding, but not everyone has the tools or guidance to cope in healthy ways, at least at the start.
@Chaim2
@Chaim2 Жыл бұрын
I wanted to give you more support for your comment but it’s only aloud one 👍🏽
@Lostcamp
@Lostcamp Жыл бұрын
@@trotter7679 blah, blah, blah
@trotter7679
@trotter7679 Жыл бұрын
@@Lostcamp that's not one of them
@michellecrocker2485
@michellecrocker2485 Жыл бұрын
I think John Walsh Is a great person to advocate. This man lost his son because the child was placed in a vulnerable position with no one to protect him. This mission to make sure that no parent has to go through this and I hope he succeeds in helping to prosecute anyone who would abduct and harm a child
@PrimericanIdol
@PrimericanIdol Жыл бұрын
John Walsh needs to Collab with Chris Hansen.
@normacook8325
@normacook8325 Жыл бұрын
I admire John Walsh too. I also imagine John's wife's parents knew his age and allowed her to date him....
@PrimericanIdol
@PrimericanIdol Жыл бұрын
@@normacook8325 At the time, that was relatively more acceptable. A young John Walsh today wouldn't be able to go near a 16 year old girl.
@arwenhardy1995
@arwenhardy1995 Жыл бұрын
@@jennysehr926 For really real...not all is as it seems...
@Lostcamp
@Lostcamp Жыл бұрын
He saved lives
@teamcougars
@teamcougars Жыл бұрын
I admire how John took his feelings of helplessness, anger and rage and turned it into a positive action 😢
@nora398
@nora398 Жыл бұрын
John Walsh is someone I look up to.
@irenephillips1523
@irenephillips1523 11 ай бұрын
Yeah I seriously consider him to be a real life batman
@rachelhalo6063
@rachelhalo6063 Жыл бұрын
It's crazy to think that two violent criminals of this level were at that mall at the same time. I always try to be aware of my surroundings but this is definitely something to think about when going through every day life. Not to live in fear but to be alert that it's a roll of the dice of who you may brush shoulders with that day.
@jbrown8601
@jbrown8601 Жыл бұрын
Very very disturbing
@kingcosworth2643
@kingcosworth2643 11 ай бұрын
I think you would be petrified if you knew the dark secrets and alternate lives of even just the people you work with.
@TeaCup1940
@TeaCup1940 10 ай бұрын
Specially if you live in the US where there are 50 active serial killers at any time as the FBI has predicted. In other countries this issue is practically non existant.
@shaybe7462
@shaybe7462 Жыл бұрын
How does a whole police department lose a whole car??
@cleoldbagtraallsorts3380
@cleoldbagtraallsorts3380 Жыл бұрын
I think it was the carpet taken from the car because of the blood stain, they didn't keep the car.
@caucasoidape8838
@caucasoidape8838 Жыл бұрын
My grandpa told me to make sure I scream if someone grabs me at the arcade. He was direct about why too.. "they do sick things to you, and then cut you into pieces". Much more effective than most stranger danger PSAs.
@stephaniebaker1542
@stephaniebaker1542 Жыл бұрын
Adam was 3 years younger than I am, so a fellow member of Generation X. Back in those days, we were feral in a sense, and left on our own and were expected to recognize and see our way out of situations. This all changed after Adam disappeared.
@dawnbonner6497
@dawnbonner6497 Жыл бұрын
Very few of us would hold up under a extreme spotlight. As for times being taken into account, a 23 year old dating a 16 year old wasn't that unusual in the late 60's or early 70's. What happened to these parents were something no one who hasn't had their child murdered could possibly understand. I believe that most criminals can become better if they choose and help is provided. I also believe that murderers, rapist and child molesters should be held accountable no matter how they've lived or when the crime happened. I seriously doubt anyone thinks we should just give up looking for John List or Joseph DeAngelo because they moved on and lived what appears to be a trouble free life for many years. I also have many doubts that serial child molesters and rapist can be trusted to turn over a new leaf.
@BeesWaxMinder
@BeesWaxMinder Жыл бұрын
Couldn’t agree more
@MelbaToast7117
@MelbaToast7117 Жыл бұрын
Agree 1000%!
@Sweetmotion23
@Sweetmotion23 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. Once you take someone’s innocent life on purpose you are on the bottom level of scum and that is that. I can never forgive a criminal for murdering, especially children.
@jumpinjohnnyruss
@jumpinjohnnyruss Жыл бұрын
I'm not so sure pedophilia is something that cultural relativism can make right. For that matter, neither is leaving your child alone in public for more than a few seconds. The reasonableness of the position that you shouldn't leave your child alone is not based on the growing panic of society. The danger existed then to about the same extent that it does now. What changed is the peer pressure surrounding it, not the reasonableness of it.
@jumpinjohnnyruss
@jumpinjohnnyruss Жыл бұрын
A lot of people think that the 98 year old Nazi should just be overlooked because of the passage of time.
@chigal0926
@chigal0926 Жыл бұрын
The murder of Adam Walsh defined my childhood. Saturday morning cartoons always showed his picture about any info on his murder. John Walsh always said the police screwed up royally. They did not know how to handle missing children. In fact there was no apparatus in the nation in dealing with missing children. John Walsh changed law enforcement. I was just talking with my Mom about Adam. She said she was terrified. Adam was three years older than me.
@thelocalmaladroit8873
@thelocalmaladroit8873 Жыл бұрын
When my daughter was 3, my husband took her with him to the mall. They went in a store together and he squatted down to look at something and she wandered off. When he stood up he didn’t see her. She had left the store and gone out into the mall looking for him. A couple noticed her alone and stayed with her. When they got home he told me what happened. I will never forget the panic I felt for what could have happened that day!
@nerdynellie4729
@nerdynellie4729 Жыл бұрын
You're a content machine these days. Thank you for your hard work!
@billie6814
@billie6814 Жыл бұрын
Does everyone remember being little and grabbing the wrong persons leg or hand in the store cos that stranger was also wearing jeans like your mom and you were only like a meter tall? That was terrifying as a kid
@nickh.4917
@nickh.4917 Жыл бұрын
Yes I absolutely remember doing that. I grabbed a woman’s hand who had a coat on that looked like my mom’s. The very nice woman held on to my hand until we found my mom, but boy things could have turned out differently.
@albrunelle2010
@albrunelle2010 Жыл бұрын
I am close in age to Adam and I grew up in south Fla in the 80s and this case greatly impacted by childhood. My childhood home was on a busy-ish street and we used to play outside all the time before this, then after all the press and made for TV movies, I remember being paranoid to be out there by myself and especially scared if a van drove by. It wasn't healthy.
@PrimericanIdol
@PrimericanIdol Жыл бұрын
Today's children are FAR more sheltered than you probably were, even after the incident. The Stranger Danger irrational fear never went away.
@lisamac8503
@lisamac8503 Жыл бұрын
Maybe but it was realistic
@albrunelle2010
@albrunelle2010 Жыл бұрын
@@lisamac8503 Not sure if this is what you meant, but I don't think my fear was rational as I was more likely to be abducted or abused by someone I knew rather than some strange dude in a rusted old panel van LOL
@andrewcross8244
@andrewcross8244 Жыл бұрын
Still makes me wonder if it was actually Ottis Toole. I can’t believe that a security guard threw out a bunch of children from a Sears store without their parents. That was so irresponsible. There are so many screwups in this horrific story
@kenya1067
@kenya1067 Жыл бұрын
And the security was a kid too. They were probably kids from his highschool who he didn't like. Just sad.
@irenephillips1523
@irenephillips1523 11 ай бұрын
No one cared about that stuff in the 80s I was little maybe 6 I had to go to the bathroom at the airport my dad showed me where it was and went to the car to wait for me I had to figure out how to get out of the building and find the right car he didn't think anything about it people who saw me didn't think anything about it. It totally wasn't the same as today. Also the security guard probably thought Adam was with the older boys his big brother or something
@Preservestlandry
@Preservestlandry 10 ай бұрын
It wasn't Otis.. He would confess to literally every murder the cops asked him about. His only known crime was arson murder and this didn't fit the M.O. of his known crimes. It would be like saying it was you, there's equal reason to think it's you - absolutely no reason to think so.
@mshockey73
@mshockey73 Жыл бұрын
In John Walsh's book about Adam there's a full chapter written by his wife describing every detail she remembered from that day. It starts from the time she woke up that morning. It's bone chilling. You almost step into her shoes reading that chapter. I believe John Walsh has stated publicly he believes beyond a shadow of a doubt that Otis Toole was the man that murdered his son.
@Cinder_311
@Cinder_311 Жыл бұрын
I agree. I don't think Jeffrey Dahmer did this.
@mariawhite7337
@mariawhite7337 Жыл бұрын
@Crime_scoper-X Kids like plenty of 'scary' people and things. Look no further than Bikers against Child Abuse. Dhamer had a different MO, he wouldn't have dumped the body as he did.
@SY-ok2dq
@SY-ok2dq Жыл бұрын
@Crime_scoper-X Dahmer was not into young children, like Adam Walsh's age. Dahmer's victims were young men - MEN - whom Dahmer considered to be attractive and with fit, slim bodies. They were men who were much like the attractive young men whom Dahmer had previously tried to pick up, with some success, in gay clubs and bathhouses for sexual encounters. They were all MEN, not little kids. There was one young teenaged boy who became Dahmer's victim, but he was around 15 yrs old and did not look like a child. He looked like he could be passed off as an older teen, like 18, and in fact, Dahmer was easily able to convince two policemen that this teen was 18 and was Dahmer's drunken boyfriend. He was neither, but the policemen bought it. Another thing, Dahmer never used brute force to grab any of his victims off the street. That was not at all in his M.O. Instead, Dahmer often used his own looks to attract his (usually gay) victims - Dahmer was tall, looked young and in shape (he was in his early to late 20s for most of the murders) and had blond, WASPy, middle class/clean cut looks, which some gay men found attractive. These men were mostly young gay men who cruised bars and often picked up other gay men whom they'd only met that night. They all went willingly with Dahmer, generally going back to his place. A few of his victims, Dahmer had offered payment to pose for photos in his apartment. Dahmer's very first murder victim was not gay, and Dahmer didn't meet him in a gay hangout. The young man, Hicks was his last name I believe, was a male hitchhiker, around Dahmer's age (around 18 at that time). He gladly hopped into Dahmer's car and went back to Dahmer's home. Dahmer never had to force anyone into his car, or into his apartment. Dahmer used his powers of persuasion. Just because there have been lots of sightings of Elvis Presley alive (after his death), or of Hitler after his death, or of UFOs - doesn't mean that those sightings actually happened.
@SY-ok2dq
@SY-ok2dq Жыл бұрын
@@mariawhite7337 You're right that this case has absolutely nothing in common with Dahmer's M.O. Dahmer never went after little kids. He never abducted anyone off a street. Dahmer didn't use force to get his victims into his apartment. And almost all of them were young, gay MEN, who hung out in gay clubs etc. and were interested in gay hookups. Adam Walsh was nothing like Dahmer's victims. And lastly, Dahmer kept the heads, body parts, and skeletons of his victims in his apartment. That was his fetish.
@mariawhite7337
@mariawhite7337 Жыл бұрын
@Crime_scoper-X if you know what Dhamer wanted then you'd know that this was nowhere near his MO. like not even close.
@utubefreshie
@utubefreshie Жыл бұрын
John Walsh is a good man and what he did on his show "America's Most Wanted" is a true piblic service. Years ago, I worked for his program because my then-husband was a production assistant. His job was setting up the set for the shoots. We shot the hotline scenes in a studio in the DC area. It was shot there because we had real law enforcement folks from the FBI and US Marshals come to set to take and analyze the tips we would get from the hotline. The show helped solve more than a few crimes and cold cases. I never met John Walsh but my ex did and he's a very nice man. Always treated his employees nicely. Treated fans nicely as well. He truly believes that his mission in life is help people find justice for crimes committed against them and their family. And sure, he took up this mission because his son Adam was abducted and murdered but the world became a better place for it. The show ran for years and I remember Fox (the network that owns the show) had wanted to cancel it because ratings were going down. It was the law enforcement guys that kept advocating to keep it because it helped them with their jobs. Anyway, my ex and I only worked there for 2 more years. I left and got a full-time job but it's one of the most interesting and fulfilling jobs I've had! So yeah, more power to Mr. John Walsh! Incidentally, they finally did close Adam's case. They never officially caught and prosecuted the guy that was responsible. They had a person of interest that they knew must've been the perpetrator but they didn't have enough evidence to take that guy to court. Instead, the guy went down for some other crime wch is what often happens w serial criminals. And he went to prison for life for that. And that is when John finally decided to close Adam's case. I'm glad he got his justice and closure in the end.
@kimberlybaldridge5767
@kimberlybaldridge5767 Жыл бұрын
I was a kid in the 80s. I was terrified of being kidnapped. The Stranger Danger days were intense indeed. My dad got freaked out and in turn, so did I.
@robinscirica3871
@robinscirica3871 Жыл бұрын
This story greatly influenced how I parented my children. I’m disappointed that at the end you focused on John Walsh’s shortcomings. He has done tremendous good.
@normacook8325
@normacook8325 Жыл бұрын
I was very disappointed by his remarks too. Sometimes his youth skews his remarks ....
@susivarga7303
@susivarga7303 Жыл бұрын
Endlessly glamourising people, giving the impression that good people are somehow superhuman, does more harm than good.
@robinscirica3871
@robinscirica3871 Жыл бұрын
@@susivarga7303 what are you talking about?
@susivarga7303
@susivarga7303 Жыл бұрын
@@robinscirica3871 can't read?
@robinscirica3871
@robinscirica3871 Жыл бұрын
@@susivarga7303 endlessly? I made one comment. Glamorizing? I stated a fact. Superhuman? Doing good things does not make one superhuman. Why the rude sarcasm?
@stormyskyz4251
@stormyskyz4251 Жыл бұрын
Code Adam was initiated due to this case, hence the name Adam. Store employees are trained to get on the intercom and state “We have a Code Adam”, to lock doors, and check if a child may have a disguise.
@theodoredavidmooney5703
@theodoredavidmooney5703 Жыл бұрын
The sickness that would come over you when you realize your little child is missing... Wow!
@cleoldbagtraallsorts3380
@cleoldbagtraallsorts3380 Жыл бұрын
It's bad enough when you lose your keys or purse, I can't imagine how a person feels losing their child!
@chesterwilberforce9832
@chesterwilberforce9832 Жыл бұрын
My mother once forgot my brother at a store. As an indication of how much public perception of this sort of danger has changed, women would routinely leave their babies in prams outside stores to do their shopping. Mom walked about half way home before remembering that she'd taken him with her. This would have been about 1942. Excellent coverage of this, Dr. Grande. That photo of Ottis Toole is just the face of evil.
@purewonka
@purewonka Жыл бұрын
Parents still leave their babies in prams outside of stores in some parts of Europe. There was a big stink in NYC a handful of years ago about a couple from Denmark (or the Netherlands) visiting NYC who left their kid outside a store in a stroller. Someone called the police. It was on local and national news to raise awareness that this is not a good thing to do when visitors are coming to the USA from other countries.
@elizabethniemczyk3814
@elizabethniemczyk3814 Жыл бұрын
My mother accidentally left me in a Sears for over an hour when I was about 9 years old, which would have been in the mid-80s, to head off to my brother's baseball game. I had been left in the arcade located at the front of the store, but I guess she forgot that she had brought me with her. I wandered around in a growing panic, and the service desk did make a couple of announcements over the loudspeaker, but to no avail. I wonder if in this day and age they would have eventually contacted the police. It was a pretty traumatic experience.
@mildredpierce4506
@mildredpierce4506 Жыл бұрын
Chester Wilberforce. I’ve never heard of this happening in America
@isabellaleifsdottir
@isabellaleifsdottir Жыл бұрын
We leave kids outside sleeping in prams in Iceland. But we’re also only 370.000 and have never had a random abduction. Also, we’re an island, would be hard to go anywhere with a child.
@Bloom2Grow
@Bloom2Grow Жыл бұрын
@@purewonka what’s a pram?
@mikebell2112
@mikebell2112 Жыл бұрын
This is also why Walmart has that Code Adam sticker on the door. They and other stores are trained to call Code Adam on the intercom as shorthand for a missing child in the store.
@royjudson4380
@royjudson4380 Жыл бұрын
In the UK in the early 70s we had public information films on tv about not talking to strangers, our parents also told us the same thing when we went to play out.
@cellogirl11rw55
@cellogirl11rw55 Жыл бұрын
I once had a man try to grab me and put me in an unmarked delivery van while I was walking to my bus stop. I screamed and ran away, and he pursued me, but my neighbor saved me and took me to school, and I told my resource officer at school what happened. He put out a BOLO, and the guy was arrested by lunch time.
@slsilver481
@slsilver481 Жыл бұрын
Glad u got away 🌼
@Rasputin443556
@Rasputin443556 Жыл бұрын
"Don't talk to strangers" was something that was drilled our heads even before this incident. The Walsh kidnapping didn't introduce this concept; it was normal for middle-class kids in America to hear this.
@kristenjustkristen9462
@kristenjustkristen9462 Жыл бұрын
At least Adam did not die in vain. His death subsequently was responsible for thousands and thousands of killers being captured by America's Most Wanted. Parents please watch your children like hawks! There's always predators lurking, and waiting for the time to strike. Great coverage Doc!
@hightimecrime
@hightimecrime Жыл бұрын
Thank you Dr. G for putting out videos almost daily if not daily, really appreciate the hard-work and effort you put into making us happy! Means a lot and this case is so sad.
@dissidentfairy4264
@dissidentfairy4264 Жыл бұрын
My theory would be that the teenage boys lured him away and killed him.They had the opportunity, and there was an altercation inside the store. They could have been bad to the bone teens and birds of a feather often hang together. It could have been a thrill kill. Parents have to be so careful at malls. A few years ago I was in a mall with my niece. She was around six at the time. She's very beautiful. Many people have said she looks just like Drew Barrymore in Firestarter. I was holding her hand in the mall when she tripped. As I was helping her up a man rushed over and reached for her. At first, I thought he was just being kind but then he grabbed her other hand and it became a tug of war between him and me. He was very brazen and it seemed to last for a long time. In reality I'm sure it was only seconds but it felt like an eternity. I suddenly realized that he was trying to kidnap her. I finally won the arm wrestle and he took off almost in a run. I would guess him to be in his 50s or 60s at the time. My niece and I were both very shaken by the ordeal. I feel so bad for the Walsh family. It would be just too much to bear.
@lisanelke9726
@lisanelke9726 Жыл бұрын
😧
@fringe9068
@fringe9068 Жыл бұрын
I don’t think the teen boys would’ve been able to dispose of his body without trace
@dissidentfairy4264
@dissidentfairy4264 Жыл бұрын
@@sharonmorine5407 Good point, you may be right, although, if they were older teens one or more may have had a car so it's still possible. I'm the first to admit I don't know all the particulars in this case.
@ohdear2275
@ohdear2275 Жыл бұрын
@@fringe9068 and 130 miles away, too, which is where the child's head was found
@MrsRitchieBlackmore
@MrsRitchieBlackmore Жыл бұрын
Agreed so much re. judging yesterday's naiveté by today's standards. Before everyone had the internet, people were far more trusting. Even as a child in the mid-late '90s, I remember accepting rides from strangers to school (I walked 2 miles and some drivers saw me along the way). I never got hurt, but the thought is absolutely chilling now. At the time, though, I had no fear. Zero!! My friends and I would also just roam around after school, no cell phones. As long as we were home for dinner, all was well. Amazing how much society changed in just 5-10 years.
@eadweard.
@eadweard. Жыл бұрын
People back then weren't more naive: they'd just had different things highlighted to them by the media.
@MrsRitchieBlackmore
@MrsRitchieBlackmore Жыл бұрын
@@eadweard. Definitely true! To be fair, my mom would have FREAKED if she'd known I was doing that. Even I knew deep down it wasn't the best idea. But it didn't scare me at all. Now, the thought of getting in a stranger's car gives me full body chills. Doubly for children.
@bwilliams4u
@bwilliams4u Жыл бұрын
Ironically, this generation may judge us for our naïveté regarding strangers back then but they're practically doing the same every time they take an uber, share their location to "followers" on the internet, stay in an AirBnB, or hook up with someone they met on a dating app. At least in the 70s to the 90s we were raised to be streetsmart and fend for ourselves. I wonder how this generation will be judged in 20 to 30 years.
@annebalderston2520
@annebalderston2520 Жыл бұрын
Young people often feel they are, in their thinking, immortal-that nothing can harm them. You acted this out and are very fortunate you weren’t harmed.
@BuddhaBeanie
@BuddhaBeanie Жыл бұрын
I hate to tell you, but the mid nineties was nearly 20 years ago.
@BucketHeadianHagg
@BucketHeadianHagg Жыл бұрын
You’re right doctor. Things were so very different in the late 70’s and early 80’s. It was that era that taught us to be so much more aware of stranger danger today, even for 10 mins (or 90) I didn’t even realize how much I wanted you to do this one until I saw that you did! He deserves your respect. Thank you for that. God bless you, Dr Grande. 😊
@andreawanless9574
@andreawanless9574 Жыл бұрын
How scary that 2 notable serial killers were in the same area at once.. makes you wonder how close others are
@detectivefiction3701
@detectivefiction3701 Жыл бұрын
I was born in 1977 and, when I was a child and adolescent, losing track of a kid in a store seemed to be most parents' #1 fear. That was surely because of the Adam Walsh case.
@student1621
@student1621 Жыл бұрын
Otis Toole supposedly murdered Stefanie Watson in Laurel, MD in 1982. This is my home town. I will never forget her missing posters plastered all around. I, too, was a young woman at that time. You should look into doing a story about her murder.
@floratink
@floratink Жыл бұрын
America’s Most Wanted scared the crap out of me as a kid. I can’t believe I used to watch that program, as young as I was.
@Coffeedrinker291
@Coffeedrinker291 Жыл бұрын
From what I heard, the ‘security guard’ made Adam leave even though he didn’t say he was with the other kids or anyone. This person sent a child out onto the street, out of the store alone.
@eviegirlfl
@eviegirlfl Жыл бұрын
I used to walk to school by myself at the age 5.. My parents were neglectful. Thank to my God that no one kidnapped me. It was 1971. I never send my kids alone to school or stores. No Bueno.☹️
@MrsRitchieBlackmore
@MrsRitchieBlackmore Жыл бұрын
I sometimes accepted rides from strangers to and from school in the mid-late '90s! 😬 An absolutely chilling thought now, but I honestly had zero fear then. Before everyone had the internet, we were just so much more trusting in general.
@stt5v2002
@stt5v2002 Жыл бұрын
This is a terrible story, but the chance that you child will have something like this happen is incredibly low. The risk is about the same as the risk that your child will choke to death while eating. Education about situational awareness is appropriate, but you should not stress out over it or treat your child like a prisoner.
@amandanegrete1306
@amandanegrete1306 Жыл бұрын
Glad you’re ok! My “mother” did the same. I had to walk through several “seedy” areas as we didn’t live in a great part of town. I always had to go to “camp” or a “summer program” bc my “mother” couldn’t be bothered to raise her kids. I was so ASHAMED when my camp counselors got upset I was walking home alone and intervened. I was ALWAYS so embarrassed growing up that my parents had ZERO concern for me. I was also always the “outsider” and “odd man out”. As I got older, especially high school I was SO uncomfortable in my “home”. When I left “home” at 17 years old I didn’t look anyone in the eye. Hell, I wasn’t able to look people in the face until I had been through Army basic training. I have NO IDEA why my “parents” had children. I don’t consider myself a victim of neglect or abuse bc I know true victims have endured much worse. I agree with you though. I would NEVER let any child in my care walk to school alone. I wouldn’t even put them on the school bus. I know that’s a bit extreme but I’ve always worried about things like “what if the bus driver is a drinker and hungover?!?”. I just don’t people I don’t know well with my kids and animals.
@SJ-007
@SJ-007 Жыл бұрын
@@amandanegrete1306 You were still a victim, I can tell by the way you put inverted commas around certain words and the looking in the face thing .... because I did and do all of those things too. I am really happy that you were able to move on from this and grow .... i also did, but will always feel a little emotionally stunted and missing out. Some people definitely should not have children, I absolutely agree 💕
@majorpwner241
@majorpwner241 Жыл бұрын
@@MrsRitchieBlackmore We all rode bikes or walked to school many days when I was in elementary school in the 90s. It was perfectly safe. The most danger we got into was riding our bicycles on a small dirt track with some ramps. I wouldn't trade my childhood for anything in the world, but then, I actually got to LIVE as a child, unlike kids today. People like you should take a hint from Dr. Grande's conclusions in this video and stop living in fear.
@touche2584
@touche2584 Жыл бұрын
The fact that Otis Toole and Jeffrey Dahmer were in this same mall area the day Adam disappeared is an amazing coincidence.
@AstarionWifey
@AstarionWifey Жыл бұрын
I often wonder what serial killers think of when they hear others doing the same as them but different M.Os
@ktdo2435
@ktdo2435 Жыл бұрын
I lost my father to a horrible, violent crime where the perpetrator was never identified. I appreciate the call for rational, but I cannot fault Adam Walsh, who’s suffered such a loss, for sharing his experience and perspective. I am (perhaps over) vigilant with my children, but I prefer it to having anyone endure a similar fate. So terribly mournful for the Walsh family, even after all these years.
@barbn
@barbn Жыл бұрын
What a good analogy to help us realize that what happened to Adam was completely out of the realm of what was thought possible at the time. . This was one year before I had my son. How different my life with my child would’ve been if it hadn’t happened, well we’ll never know.
@jaelzion
@jaelzion Жыл бұрын
I'm old enough to remember Etan Patz who was snatched before Adam Walsh while walking to school.
@GlitterFlame89
@GlitterFlame89 Жыл бұрын
I can't imagine. The few Code Adams we had go off when I was working retail were terrifying. Usually they were resolved in under a minute. But one just went on and on, and there was just a gut-sinking realization of "oh my God, these kids aren't in the store anymore..." Thankfully turned out alright, her husband took the kid out to wait in the car and somehow there was a miscommunication, but it got to the point of the police getting there before it was resolved. I guess she was so distraught that she didn't connect no kid and no husband meant they were probably together, idk. That was at Barnes & Noble. Another time some people dropped their like 5 and 6 year old and left to go grocery shopping, which is already a HUGE problem to begin with, but than we had an early snow closure, and here are two parentless kids at the end of the night. Police got there before the parents came back, they were gone for a couple hours.
@sharonhoyt2133
@sharonhoyt2133 Жыл бұрын
I was a librarian and people would drop off their children at the library and go shopping etc. No, libraries are not safe places to leave young children.
@Preservestlandry
@Preservestlandry 10 ай бұрын
It's not like Adam was the 1st stranger abduction. People were just being stupid. It existed, people knew it was possible.
@johnlamphier3515
@johnlamphier3515 Жыл бұрын
In the 70s we were shown a "stranger danger" film at school and a form was sent home telling parents to teach kids "tricks" abductors use to lure kids.
@bthomson
@bthomson Жыл бұрын
Common sense and rational thinking are the hallmarks of Dr. Grande's channel! We need both desperately!
@PrimericanIdol
@PrimericanIdol Жыл бұрын
He needs to speak at the UN general assembly, and call out both Biden and Putin.
@christinegarrett7257
@christinegarrett7257 Жыл бұрын
I grew up in Vero, where his head was found, in the 80s. I always wondered why my dad kept such a tight grip on my hand whenever we were out. I have a feeling that this case likely played a big part in that.
@mikeballard8404
@mikeballard8404 Жыл бұрын
When my son was 4 I lost him at a Sears/J C Penny mall. It was shortly after this crime. I was out of my mind, mall security manned the entrances. 15 minutes later, there he was playing at some toy display!
@brigidspencer5123
@brigidspencer5123 Жыл бұрын
The Sears Store could also be lying to protect themselves against any possible lawsuits. Also in 1981 there was a child killer loose in British Columbia named Clifford Robert Olson.
@rosagaldamez6730
@rosagaldamez6730 Жыл бұрын
Cant believe People talking sh... about this man,he lost his only son Who was only 6 in the hands of a criminal in such waful way. Of course he thinks that way. I really admire him and feel sorry for the loss of his baby boy😪
@tamarrapetrie9345
@tamarrapetrie9345 Жыл бұрын
I remember the impact of this case. I was a very young mom in 1990 and I taught my son all about stranger danger to the point that we were both a little traumatized. One day I was a little late getting off work and the neighbor saw my son walking up the long drive way and offered him a ride and he ran screaming. I think you are correct John Walsh did attribute to panic, but it’s better then getting kidnapped. Thank you Dr Grande, I really appreciate your content and consistency!
@victoriawilliams2786
@victoriawilliams2786 Жыл бұрын
All this time I thought that none of Adam had been found. I don't know why I've thought that. In the 70' & 80's I was a latchkey kid. And started babysitting at 12 years old. Things were much different back then.
@reachingcoldmountainbeforeyou
@reachingcoldmountainbeforeyou Жыл бұрын
I remember the 1984 airing. My parents argued about whether I should watch it. My father said I should and learn stranger danger. My mother said no, I shouldn't because it would just scare me. I really think that about 1980 is when our society started to Tear...the 80's were awesome, but, the Monsters started to come out as well. Right after this was Stephen Stayner, 'I Know My Name is Stephen'.
@eadweard.
@eadweard. Жыл бұрын
Nothing changed, besides what the media decided to show you.
@reachingcoldmountainbeforeyou
@reachingcoldmountainbeforeyou Жыл бұрын
@@eadweard. More so possibly that Media hasn't been INSTANTANEOUS like it is now. News stories used to take MONTHS to circulate...
@evelynwaugh4053
@evelynwaugh4053 Жыл бұрын
There have always been horrible crimes. If you ever get a chance to see it, check out the series A Crime To Remember, which features vintage footage, recreation, and discussion of crimes of the past.
@kam2162
@kam2162 Жыл бұрын
"I Know My Name is Stephen," what a gut-wrenching story. After all that trauma, you get your boy back, but things are still NOT the way it is supposed to be. 😭
@lolamurder1882
@lolamurder1882 Жыл бұрын
I remember this so well. I am a week to the day younger than Adam was at the time, and I remember how much this freaked my parents out. We had a code word so if anyone said my parents told them to pick me up, they had to give the code word. Things were so different, this was something no one would ever expect to happen.
@LDiamondz
@LDiamondz Жыл бұрын
This was a horrible crime. It reminds me of the Etan Patz abduction/murder in NY in 1979. Both boys were 6 years old, in a somewhat, safe environment. Etan was the first missing child to be featured on a milk carton. I think you might have done this case, also, Dr. G. So much for the good old days of the 70's and 80's being safe. Thanks for doing this case, Dr.Grande. Very well done.
@XanderShiller
@XanderShiller Жыл бұрын
Dad: I'm just going to the store to get some cigarettes Mom: I'm just going to Sears to buy a lamp
@jillmorgan7309
@jillmorgan7309 Жыл бұрын
I was a kid in the 1970's and I was always told not to get in a car with someone I didn't know. So, to say that nobody thought of stranger danger before the Adam case is not true.
@TomikaKelly
@TomikaKelly Жыл бұрын
This is a big story down here in South Florida. SO MANY adults failed him, from the mom leaving him alone, to the security guard kicking an unattended toddler out of a store, to the parent and grandparent not calling the police immediately, to the policy's sloppy investigation, to the POS that hurt him. 💔
@theresabromar5415
@theresabromar5415 Жыл бұрын
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@stt5v2002
@stt5v2002 Жыл бұрын
As Dr Grande points out later in the video, this was not unusual at the time. I was a child in the 1980s and I can personally attest that my own parents and all of my friends' parents would allow young children some reasonable leeway in stores and malls. It was normal, and it is not reasonable to use your after the fact knowledge to fault the mother or the store. This type of thing was extremely rare. It may be hard to believe, but back then people were not constantly in fear of anyone they didn't know.
@mrt1957
@mrt1957 Жыл бұрын
​@@stt5v2002 Now we just have factual details but back then it was stories of monsters when the reality is those monsters are mankind. I had an Aunt murdered by a serial monster in 1980. the world is full of monsters.
@unowen9668
@unowen9668 Жыл бұрын
Six year olds aren't toddlers.
@Jay-hp6pu
@Jay-hp6pu Жыл бұрын
@@stt5v2002 I don’t know man. My mom would have never let me out of sight at a mall. I was born in ‘82 and I can remember things not being as crazy back then and parents were definitely less uptight about leaving their children alone. Still there’s zero chance that my parents would’ve let me just hang out with a group of older kids while they shopped.
@ciararyan9370
@ciararyan9370 Жыл бұрын
I was a little kid in the 70’s and my parents never left me alone. Also, I clearly remember my parents telling me not to talk with strangers or go off with them. I was a teenager in the 1980’s and can also say that it was much less innocent time than some make it out to be. The danger didn’t start in the late 80’s.
@lisamac8503
@lisamac8503 Жыл бұрын
I agree Not sure what planet others are talking about But it was not safe in the 70's or 80's
@kam2162
@kam2162 Жыл бұрын
It depends a lot on where you lived.
@ciararyan9370
@ciararyan9370 Жыл бұрын
@@kam2162 you could say the same even now. There was plenty of crime back then, we just didn’t have the internet to broadcast everything. I lived in MA in the suburbs and we were very aware that there were bad people out there. I think sometimes the nostalgia gets to people; I lived it and it wasn’t that different from now, aside from that we’re more aware and we have things like cell phones to keep in touch with our kids. We also have a larger population.
@ciararyan9370
@ciararyan9370 Жыл бұрын
A graph from the New York Times actually shows higher murder rates in the 70’s and 80’s than in the 2000’s.
@SY-ok2dq
@SY-ok2dq Жыл бұрын
@@ciararyan9370 Newspapers and TV existed back then, you know. And their power and reach were far greater back then, when there was no Internet. Everyone watched the news on TV, and people read the newspapers. In fact, in major cities in some countries, like the U.K., there used to be TWO editions of major newspapers that came out every day. There was the morning edition, and the evening edition. Lots of people got newspapers delivered to their homes and offices daily. And people paid attention to the news in a way that's different to now. News stories often ran for a lot longer, with a lot of coverage, for weeks - and the public would still be interested. News stories had a much longer shelf life then. Nowadays, the cycle is super short, and the audience is very fragmented, and they pick and choose what to read or watch. Stories don't have the same reach that they did back in the days of only TV and print. It's not like the days of only terrestrial TV broadcasts, with only a few channels to choose from, in most places. As for plenty of crime - well actually, there WAS less crime in a lot of places than there is now - or at least, certain types of crime. Many cities have grown, and populations increased. And that raises crime rates. In the U.K. for example, knife attacks are now alarmingly common. But they weren't at all, in the early 80s. Nobody back then would've believed how common and how much of a public threat that knife crime has become. And we're not talking about it all being gangs, and only gang members and street criminals/drug dealers etc. getting knifed. It's ordinary citizens, young men just out on a Saturday night for drinks at the pub, or out at clubs. In the Walsh case, they were in a major store, in a nice area, not some rundown neighborhood. A mall with security staff, and what's more, a police station nearby. I'm pretty sure most people don't expect that a child could get snatched from such a public place with people everywhere and security staff about. That's the shocking thing. Malls were the big thing of the 80s, and they were perceived to be safe, secure and desirable places to spend your day at. Also, whilst there has always been crime and so on, certain crimes became more common and well publicized. A good example would be school, and mass, shootings, in the U.S., but also in other countries where it came as a complete surprise and shock e.g. the Port Arthur shootings in Australia and the Lindt cafe hostage crisis and shootings in Sydney, Australia. Public gun crime had been practically unheard of in cities like Sydney before that. Nobody really owned guns. Only farmers and people living in country areas owned guns and regularly used them - to shoot kangaroos, dingos, foxes etc. Not shoot at people. There were also no gang turf wars or shootings back in the 80s in Sydney, but now American-style drive-by shootings on suburban streets have been hitting the news of late. I should add that the population has increased greatly since the 80s, as has development. There are now lots of large apartment towers - built within the last 10 or 20, or 30 years. The "nicer" and quieter suburbs of Sydney remained very insulated from street type crime, or very violent crime, for decades. And even now. It's the busy hubs with concentrated populations, apartment blocks etc..,where such crimes have increased noticeably.
@davidmenke7552
@davidmenke7552 Жыл бұрын
Jeez. I grew up in the 80s and it was normal to roam around the mall alone while the adults in my life shopped in the boring department stores. Granted, I was probably no younger than 9. But still, that's pretty young. I remember at about age 10, I was in Walden Books. I was way in the back and there was a guy there looking through a big photography book. The guy suddenly comes over to me and says in a kinda gross tone, "heh heh, I didn't know they could put stuff like this in books". He then proceeds to show me what he's looking at, and its a black and white photo of a naked man with his penis all out in the open. I think it may have been a Robert Mapplethorpe book. Then the guy says, "Jeez, he has a big enough one!" I think I kinda murmured, "Umm, yeah, heh" and walked away. I sometimes wonder what would have happened had I not walked away.
@sharonroyal1410
@sharonroyal1410 Жыл бұрын
That gave me chills. I'll bet it terrifies you now to think what might have happened..
@kenya1067
@kenya1067 Жыл бұрын
The amount of disturbing people just lurking around. Your comment reminded me of when my church went to the zoo for Christmas light displays I was maybe 11 or 12 and I did the photos with Santa and he was in my ear like "you're not bashful are you" it wouldn't have been creepy if he hadn't whispered it into my ear. It was very weird. And I was with a group just taking my turn at pictures smh.
@chrisw6164
@chrisw6164 Жыл бұрын
90 minutes makes no sense to me. Who spends 90 minutes in Sears and still “didn’t have time” to fill out a form for a back ordered item? Has anyone other than an employee ever spent 90+ minutes in Sears?
@majorpwner241
@majorpwner241 Жыл бұрын
My guess is the parents plotted it all out, so the mom had an alibi, while John Walsh himself took care of their unwanted child. Why else would she lie about how long she abandoned her child, and the wait to call the police fits with this theory. Idk if John had an alibi as well but I'd sure like to know if anyone checked that out.
@eadweard.
@eadweard. Жыл бұрын
This was back along though.
@aliciagriggs8531
@aliciagriggs8531 Жыл бұрын
I grew up in Miami in the 60s. People tried to abduct us kids on a regular basis while walking to and from school and even once while sitting on my front porch. Later, in the 70s there were drugs everywhere and kids as young as nine years old were selling drugs. It seems like everyone had a gun in their car. A friend of mine used to carry around a 357 Magnum. As teenagers we would go shooting in the Everglades with a 357 Magnum, a 44 Magnum and rifles. This was at age 16! South Florida is a very transient area. I remember when the Adam Walsh abduction occurred. I used to go to the Hollywood Mall. Very sad and heartbreaking situation. I used to watch America's Most Wanted and I'm happy that John Walsh made an impact. I also know a lot of people who were together since they were teenagers and are now in their 60s 70s and '80s.
@Zerkzeez
@Zerkzeez Жыл бұрын
Back in the 80's, I'd often hang out near the arcade machines while my mother shopped at the supermarket.
@ldolan4051
@ldolan4051 Жыл бұрын
So so sad that little boy. How John kept that strength is beyond me til this day, but so much good work. I don't know where you muster your strength.
@SuperSara924
@SuperSara924 Жыл бұрын
When I was 3/4 I wandered away from my mom in a store and they did a Code Adam. Luckily I was found safely and quickly. As heart wrenching as Adam’s case is, some good come out of it with that protocol and children like myself were potentially saved from harms way
@coreyledin-bristol7068
@coreyledin-bristol7068 Жыл бұрын
My mother left my brother and I in the toy isle at the store all the time. She also would leave us in the car in the parking lot. This was completely normal for the time.
@beckiehubley5798
@beckiehubley5798 Жыл бұрын
My parents were convinced stranger abduction was a way bigger issue than it was. I was short for my age and looked younger. My parents always wanted me within sight in stores even at 13/14. It was annoying. If I begged for more freedom I got a lecture about how I'd get abducted and wish I'd listened.
@SusannaPowers
@SusannaPowers Жыл бұрын
I am devastated for Adam and his family. His life was cut short in a terrible, unexpected way at such a young age. Stranger danger is definitely real, but I want to remind any first-time parents out there that a child is much, MUCH more likely to be kidnapped by someone they know than a complete stranger. Teaching your kids about the basics of stranger danger early, along with your address and phone number is the most important thing
@susanohnhaus611
@susanohnhaus611 Жыл бұрын
This has always happened and thanks to John Walsh we now know and understand this. People used to leave their kids all the time in stores like this. In the mid 90s I was a manager at a fast food restaurant. One day a child of no more than three/four came to the counter saying he couldn't find his mother. We looked everywhere. The senior manager gave him a meal and started looking outside. I mean that kids family was nowhere to be found. We were adjacent to a huge mall but not part of it. The manager went up to see if the child had been reported lost up there although most of us wanted to call the police she wouldn't let us. She found the mother by having the mall page her. She was shopping for clothes in a large department store and thought he was asleep in the stroller she had been pushing around. He had been at the restaurant for about 45 minutes at that point. The worst part is somebody had to have let him out of the store into the parking lot because he couldn't do the doors. Then, since he had apparently been wandering the store looking for his mother he came to where he thought he would find her or be safe. To get to us he had to walk thru a parking lot with no sidewalks, across two two lane streets that bordered the huge mall parking lot, and wait by the door for somebody to let him in. There were a lot of shaky people around even then, he was really a lucky child.
@deeliciousgrapes
@deeliciousgrapes Жыл бұрын
The entire story seems real flaky. I grew up watching "America's Most Wanted" and when I found out that the host of the show had a son who was murdered, I quit watching it. Watching this video, I'm just now finding out the circumstances around his son's abduction and death. It really bothers me to hear that this happened to his little boy and my heart goes out to him and his wife. It's really touching that he used what happened to his son to help others. I really admired him for that.
@suzanneflowers2230
@suzanneflowers2230 Жыл бұрын
I'm not going to ridicule John Walsh. He's accomplished a lot of good through America's Most Wanted, channeling his grief in a good direction.
@maxoblivion
@maxoblivion Жыл бұрын
As a 5 year old clown in 1960, I walked alone two blocks to kindergarten every day. Oh my!
@misslady582
@misslady582 Жыл бұрын
Now I used to walk to the bus or school alone in the mornings. My parents would have no idea if I made it to school until the afternoon for drop off if I did not come home by a certain time. This is so scary to think. I could never allow my 6 year old to make it to school on his own. I don't know how anyone was ok with this. Much less common with the smaller kids these days from my kids school.
@cptjockitch
@cptjockitch Жыл бұрын
I like Adam Walsh attitude towards criminals. People may think hes too harsh on crime but its better than what we have now. Criminals in america have a huge advantage over the common citizen. They can commit crimes and get great lawyers and an infinite amount of appeals. 200 years ago you could get away with crime but if you were caught you would pay harshly. Now you can commit a crime and get caught on video and blame it on mental health. If youre lucky you release a netflix special and someone starts a gofundme for you. You might even get a cute crazy girl who likes to marry serial killers. Nothing in the american justice system scares criminals not even the death penalty. More Death row inmates are killed by colon cancer than the electric chair and gas chamber every year. you would think with video evidence and dna its would be less attractive for criminals to commit crimes but this isnt true. They just dont care. The punishments are nothing. most criminals see jail as a better option.
@JinJinDoe
@JinJinDoe Жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more and not just America, many, many other countries too.
@BeccaL2016
@BeccaL2016 Жыл бұрын
Now days if a mother leave their under age kids alone anywhere, she can go to jail. In the 80s while I was a kid, I remembered my mom once put me in a corner of a library, told me not to move and wait for her to come back and she went to buy something, but I think she went for a while and the library almost closed out. I started crying, there were people asked me where my parents were. I was so afraid she won’t come back, and I always stayed where I were, never moved an inch of it 😂 and few times she left me in a waiting room at the train station while she went buy tickets, I now think I was lucky didn’t get adducted!😮
@krystanoelll
@krystanoelll Жыл бұрын
Being a parent has to be the scariest job in the world. Especially during that era. I remember being terrified when my mom and dad told me all of the things that would happen to me if I were kidnapped at such a young age. I get why they did this, but the fear I felt after was a lot to deal with as a child.
@robd1329
@robd1329 Жыл бұрын
Today is scarier! Id shoot on site someone trying to pick up my kid!
@coolcat8b
@coolcat8b Жыл бұрын
I'm from the 60s. I can attest to the fact it was NOT normal for a security guard to kick a 6-year-old kid out of a Sears store (or any kind of large surface). He would have been brought back to his mother, or more realistically to customer service, and a store-wide call on speaker would have called his mother to the customer service desk. And if he had misbehaved (at the video games or with the guard), he would have been spoken to sternly in front of her.
@eadweard.
@eadweard. Жыл бұрын
How does being from the sixties furnish you with a general knowledge of how Sear's security guards behaved?
@Dwightstjohn-fo8ki
@Dwightstjohn-fo8ki Жыл бұрын
@@eadweard. Sears would have had procedures to follow; many Sears' employees were part time and not "contracted out' like today's retail (especially security).
@ap70621
@ap70621 Жыл бұрын
Says she was looking in the store for 10-15 minutes, actually gone 90 minutes. Sounds like every mom in a store ever.
@ariadneschild8460
@ariadneschild8460 Жыл бұрын
Thats why my kids stayed with me until I was done and then it was their turn to make me wait if they wanted to do something like the video game.
@dabizniz5276
@dabizniz5276 Жыл бұрын
This is a great, nuanced look at the "stranger danger" issue. The dramatization of this case in film, along with other movies like "I Know My First Name Is Stephen", really impacted kids who grew up in the 1980s.
@jennam.2944
@jennam.2944 Жыл бұрын
A parent's worst nightmare in every way, from the first twinge of panic his mother felt when he wasn't where he should be, to the horror that must have come over them upon learning of his gruesome death. 💔 Well done once again, Dr Grande.
@tiffanyeyoung1800
@tiffanyeyoung1800 Жыл бұрын
I remember this case and it was so sad. This is an example of why you never, ever leave your children alone with strangers. I am at a loss as to why she felt that he would be safe around older boys he wasn't related. Definitely shame on the security guard for not helping Adam find his mother
@SY-ok2dq
@SY-ok2dq Жыл бұрын
Well as it turns out, people known to the children not "strangers", from parents and relatives to neighbors to teachers, sports coaches, Scout leaders, and local priests or church leaders etc. - are statistically more responsible for some form of harm or abuse being done to children. That's the weakness of only telling kids to be wary of strangers. Any adult can impersonate a policeman or the store manager, or claim to be sent by the child's parents - this was how, in one abduction/murder case, a child older than Adam was abducted by a man, who'd been watching the family with the intention to ransom the boy for money.
@TheBOG3
@TheBOG3 Жыл бұрын
Well, it was totally normal back then, even by overprotective parents. They just never thought their kid who would be in the same store as them but in a different section would be kidnapped. There were other kids around Adam, she thought he would be okay, they were older.
@chrisw6164
@chrisw6164 Жыл бұрын
I’d like a little more context on what kinds of criminals Walsh thinks should be hunted for life. Was he talking about killers, violent offenders, etc? Or was he talking about someone who ripped off a few cars as a kid and now it’s 30 years later? I doubt Walsh is a totally merciless and unforgiving figure opposed to ALL crime, like he’s Judge Dredd or something.
@responder3435
@responder3435 Жыл бұрын
I read an article about the Adam Walsh abduction and it said the security guard assumed that Adam was a younger brother of one of the older boys. Due to Adam only being 6 at the time he was scared and didn’t think of telling the security guard his mom was in the store. One a side note when I was about 5 my grandmother almost got me and my older brother abducted in Chicago. Two guys drove up to us when we were walking back to my grandmas house from the store and offered us money. My grandmother was telling us to go get the money. This was around 1985/1986.
@natlenan6743
@natlenan6743 Жыл бұрын
Nowadays most retail workers are trained on a coat Adam. But I was in a Walmart a few years ago and I heard them call a code Adam and nobody in the store did anything. I couldn't believe that the workers didn't know what that meant and they didn't train their workers for what that meant and this was a massive Walmart Supercenter. I went up front to the store since none of the workers were doing anything. But it was so busy and there were so many families with children there that I didn't feel I could do anything about this. It still haunts Me
@nicholkola9975
@nicholkola9975 Жыл бұрын
Poor little Adam Walsh. I don’t think his parents have any real ‘dirt’ on them, comparatively. Clearly finding your small child’s severed head is awfully traumatizing. I think he’s done more good then bad. As far as fear mongering, I’m glad for John Walsh. I can just think of dozens of kids murdered by strangers, Adam Walsh, Polly Klass (her murderer just got his execution commuted by CA governor) Jessica Lunsford, and famous Amber Hagerman… there was a viral video last year of the guy in the red car who kidnapped a little girl.
@royalmichaels1289
@royalmichaels1289 Жыл бұрын
I think the analysis was excellent. I do have a problem with Sears because their extreme account doesn't sit well with me. I don't see a reason for them to bash mom other than to cover up for some perceived inadequacy. I was born in 1975. We didn't often go into stores with our mother although the mall would be an exception. We sat in the car at the grovery store and we waved and signaled kids in other cars (all the kids stayed in the car). We would NEVER leave the car barring some serious emergency. Kids ran around or stayed alone in play areas at the mall or at home. Saturdays was cleaning day and we HAD to play outside. There was the expectation older kids and any adults in the area would intervene only if absolutely necessary and even discipline children that weren't theirs. This is the "latch key" generation. Moms were still trying to learn how to balance work and family or even learning to be single moms. Times were dramatically different back then. Regardless of what anyone thinks of the family or the situation, this case changed many laws and caught many criminals. Tho I bet they would trade it all to change poor Adams fate. As always great video!
@alittlebindi25
@alittlebindi25 8 ай бұрын
I remember reading about Adam Walsh in a Reader's Digest magazine when I was young. That boy's grin and baseball bat are etched on my brain forever. I hope he rests in peace and knows that his family will always love and miss him.
@nerdsworthpoindexter6661
@nerdsworthpoindexter6661 Жыл бұрын
I remember when this happened. I was a little older than Adam, and lived in Miami. This was all over the local news.
@gazels11
@gazels11 Жыл бұрын
The police lost the car, the carpet and machete? What in the world?? I was born and raised in Miami and I remember this so well. It totally freaked everyone out. But now as a mother and grandmother, it breaks my heart even more. Poor baby and poor parents. They must have been tortured by all of this. So so sad. I love your analysis. Always spot on. 1981 was a different time. No judgement here. Bless their hearts.
@megatherion2695
@megatherion2695 Жыл бұрын
Good to see you're covering this. Interested to hear your thoughts. Thanks, Doc!
@purewonka
@purewonka Жыл бұрын
When I was a kid in the summer I would leave the house in the morning, and my mother would tell me to be home by lunchtime. This is when I was 8 years old. She would have no clue where I was going and whom I would be with. She knew my favored spots, but had no idea where I was going. It was a different time. I'd meet my friends on bike and we would go on adventures, sometimes to the lake, sometimes to the woods, sometimes to town. The worst that ever happened was a kid fell out of a tree and broke an arm. Many times I didn't make it home by lunch, and no one panicked. Sometimes I would be gone all day and would eventually call home from a friend's house, at the prompting of the friend's parents, to ask if it was okay for me to stay at he friend's house for dinner. This is the way it was for most boys. The girls didn't wander far from home typically.
@purewonka
@purewonka Жыл бұрын
Pretty much all the kids took swimming lessons at the lake when we were old enough, which if I remember correctly was 5 years old, and we learned the buddy system in these classes, so we always had a designated buddy when at the lake, and we carried it over to other activities as well. I remember there was a creepy guy at the lake who would always offer to buy us ice cream or candy from the concession stand, and sometimes we took him up on it. If he was criminally minded he would have had a tough time getting any of us alone because we practiced the buddy system diligently and always traveled in a pack.
@julietrudgill9887
@julietrudgill9887 Жыл бұрын
When I was a kid in London during the 1960s both boys and girls were let out for the day, there were some great parks, the park keepers used to tell us off for misbehaving.
@deborah5973
@deborah5973 Жыл бұрын
I was 5 in 58. We all walked to school. Stayed out from morning till lunch, from lunch till you heard your mom calling.
@janeward722
@janeward722 Жыл бұрын
I grew up in Las Vegas in the 70's and we would ride bikes, go to the mall, the 7eleven, play outside all day and never think twice about being abducted. Las Vegas was alot safer back then, now I would not feel safe there at any time or anywhere.
@anniegaffney8378
@anniegaffney8378 Жыл бұрын
Thanks to an observant police officer, I escaped a stranger abduction in 1966 on a country road. I was 12 and walking home from school. These things DID happen then. It is just that people did not talk about it... Much like sexual abuse was swept under the carpet.
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