Nouns: A Case of Case
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6 жыл бұрынHow to yield the mighty power of noun cases.
(Apologies for the lengthy end vlog...there was a lot I wanted to say.)
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@bluepapaya77 6 жыл бұрын
"I would rather decline two drinks than one German adjective." - Mark Twain
@ghenulo 9 ай бұрын
The funny part is that German adjective declension is dead easy.
@daniellagos8584 5 ай бұрын
@@ghenulo It's not that easy. It may have few cases, but german declination depends a lot if an adjective has a type of article before it or not, which often leads to confusion
@leo9463065 6 жыл бұрын
This reminds me that from somewhere I saw a joke about making a conlang with the noun inflicted with Pokemon type and verb conjugated with effectiveness.
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
Haha!
@DTux5249 6 жыл бұрын
If you find it I want a link
@leo9463065 6 жыл бұрын
And also, that really makes me thinking about making a conlang based on Pokemon world. Maybe there are still suffixes for types and effectiveness, but not mandatory in most of the situation.
@theperpetualprocrastinator9776 6 жыл бұрын
So it's basically kay(f)bop
@joycelinlgbtq 6 жыл бұрын
I just looked it up. That's hilarious i genuinely lol'd.
@srjskam 6 жыл бұрын
You had the chance to make your dative of dog _doge,_ and you blew it! Also, as a Finn, I am happy about our 15 cases, but sometimes mourn for the lost ones that didn't make it into standard Finnish: the prolative (through or by something) that died and left only a bunch of fossil words, and the exessive [sic] (out of being something) that would have completed the "general locative" trinity with essive and translative.
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
SHIT! Golden opportunity missed. :( :(
@peabody1976 6 жыл бұрын
Not just prolative that is everywhere in Finnish, but cases that only attach to adverbs (!) and "full" cases that aren't used much (abessive, which tends to be substituted with "ilman + genitive"). I would argue that if Finnish gets the full 15 (even as abessive, comitative, and instructive are limited), Hungarian gets closer to 25 than 18.
@thesuomi8550 5 жыл бұрын
@@peabody1976 abessive can be substituted with "ilman + partitive", not with genitive. And what are those 7 missing cases then...
@devonoknabo2582 4 жыл бұрын
So what if for dative case It would be +i However dog is irregular so it uses Doge
@alejandrite9 4 жыл бұрын
bonein tho
@NathanTAK 6 жыл бұрын
_Technically,_ the genitive just marks that one noun modifies another; possession is just one application of this.
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
Fair.
@filipdragojlovic5428 6 жыл бұрын
Yep, my language(Serbo-croatian/Serbian/Croatian/Bosnian... Just avoid ever naming it) has 16 subtypes of genitive...
@NathanTAK 6 жыл бұрын
+Filip Dragojlović serbo-croatian-croatian-serbian-bosnian?
@filipdragojlovic5428 6 жыл бұрын
Naþan Ø The elegant solution is BHS (Bosnian-Croatian-Serbian), but no one really uses it... We call our language "our language" most of the time when we aren't sure how the other person calls it.
@Gunth0r 6 жыл бұрын
Fascinating!
@tearlach47 6 жыл бұрын
1:44 "Like, in Finnish, ..." Oh god don't bring up the infinite list of cases in Finnish...
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
I managed to contain myself. :P
@dhhq7154 6 жыл бұрын
Minä olen oppiva Suomi ja se on potkiva tässä minun takapuoli!
@gunjfur8633 6 жыл бұрын
DHHQ Mitä sian saksaa sinä höpiset?
@dhhq7154 6 жыл бұрын
Gunja Fury sorry, still learning
@gunjfur8633 6 жыл бұрын
DHHQ Aaaah, understood. I was just a bit confused.
@MalachiCo0 6 жыл бұрын
I've been having such a hard time understanding the differences between the case systems, and you just explained them in a way I can easily understand. Thank you so much.
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
No probs. Glad you enjoyed.
@aidanburke8316 6 жыл бұрын
declensions are kinda my favorite and least favorite thing. i love the freedom of word order (especially for like poetry) but it also makes things so much more complicated. so much of my time when studying latin was spent going over the subtleties of declensions and what they mean in so many different contexts
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
Great summary.
@SimonClarkstone 6 жыл бұрын
I don't really speak any languages with declensions in them, but even in English I occasionally notice they'd be useful. E.g. this neat stuff you didn't touch on here: "The man gave the bone to the dog. And then the cat." - One can decline "the cat" to set the meaning of the second sentence by saying which noun from the first one it replaces. "The man gave the bone to the dog. The small one." - Here "The small one" would be declined to say which of the things you were clarifying to be small. "The man gave the bone to the dog." "Which?" - And this time declension would specify which noun the second speaker was asking "Which?" about.
@henryambrose8607 6 жыл бұрын
This is my favourite thing about studying Latin.
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
People either love or hate Latin for it's cases.
@isaacthedestroyerofstuped7676 6 жыл бұрын
What's funny about me and noun cases is that I started usinɡ them before I had even heard of them. I am currently learninɡ Latin, so the idea of declininɡ nouns has been kind of drilled into my head! Because of this, and my ɡeneral fascination with noun cases and verb conjuɡations, my conlanɡs tend to have a lot of cases.
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
Coool!
@isaacthedestroyerofstuped7676 6 жыл бұрын
Artifexian I've even added a system where the ɡenitive case alters the nouns main case to show both when a noun owns another noun but also when a noun *is owned by* anothe noun.
@TaiFerret 6 жыл бұрын
That actually exists in some natural languages. It seems to be called the "possessed case". There are also languages with possessive affixes (i.e. affixes that mean things like "my", "your", etc. attached to the word instead of a separate word.)
@isaacthedestroyerofstuped7676 6 жыл бұрын
TaiFerret Just another reasom why I hate my native lanɡuaɡe, Enɡlish! It's so stupid and borinɡ! That's also why I love linɡuistics and conlanɡinɡ!
@languagelover9170 6 жыл бұрын
be safe love yuy
@TomorrowWeLive 6 жыл бұрын
*German 101 flashbacks*
@cooleslaw 6 жыл бұрын
*der, den, das, die, dem, des, der, den*
@TomorrowWeLive 6 жыл бұрын
Rajan *shudder*
@essennagerry 6 жыл бұрын
*der die das die* *den die das die* *dem der dem den* *des der des der*
@angelojoshuavictoria1275 6 жыл бұрын
The basics of German is especially difficult for beginners but once you get past these, it's actually very logical! *sideyes English*
@merrittanimation7721 6 жыл бұрын
Well this sounds horrifying
@iammegan6626 6 жыл бұрын
I love you. I am a native english speaker, and the only other language I have any knowledge in is spanish, so noun cases are completely foreign to me. Thank you so much.
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
No problem, pal. Glad you enjoyed.
@thesuomi8550 5 жыл бұрын
English has a few noun cases too
@suddenlystanning8307 5 жыл бұрын
TheSuomi It does?! How haven’t I noticed?! What are they???
@thesuomi8550 5 жыл бұрын
@@suddenlystanning8307 the genitive case 's, accusative case for person pronouns (me, him etc)
@seraphina985 5 жыл бұрын
@@thesuomi8550 Course English also does other weird things to get around the lack of them and still allow subject/object displacement commonly indicated by changes in the verb instead. Compare "You bought which book?" in the canonical SVO order with the equally valid "Which book did you buy?" with the grammatical object moved to the start of the sentence and the verb somehow managed to take on it's present tense form despite asking about the past action of having bought a book the word "did" ends up being needed to place the action in the past in this new sentence structure. I guess that's the thing though while on the one hand you don't have to learn all the cases on the other hand you now have to deal with the cumbersome workarounds that evolve to deal with the absence of them.
@Radonatorr 6 жыл бұрын
In my conlang, Aydinirian Language, there is 6 cases - nominative, genitive, dative, accusative, ablative and allative. But it's not a whole story, there are also 4 numbers (singular, dual, plural and absolute) and the declination of nouns is divided into 3 different categories where each one except the first one is further divided into subcategories based on the stem, in this case last vowel. Oh, and there are litteraly 11 grammatical persons (I, you singular, he, she, it, we inclusive, we exclusive, we dual, you plural, they and obviative) xD Dévanaur̄ cazhifyanôro aivôn bali yana darādrava eńara han érakhni o dhiryani cabhar Éxań Khshāyarvanaz Aydīnirań! Fean Khshāyarvanat! Aťeaji Ahûrani Khshāyar raheti! Rahetarti! In English: May all the powerfull gods have mercy for you, for this is the noble and beautiful tongue of the Great Aydinirian Empire! Glory to the Empire! Long live the Divine Emperor! Long may He live!
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
Gonna be touching on a bit of this in the next video.
@ghenulo 9 ай бұрын
LOL! And to think that some people complain that Esperanto has an accusative and noun/adjective agreement.
@kaengurus.sind.genossen 9 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure your "11 persons" are 1st person singular 2nd persond singular 3x 3rd person singular 2x 1st person plural 1st person dual 2nd person dual 3rd person plural 3rd person with obviative marker. In my opinion, you can at most claim to have 4 persons, if your obviative works as it's own thing clearly distinct in form and function from the 3rd person, but not eleven, these are all numbers, genders and the inclusive/exclusive distinction. Edit: Added Imo.
@RyanDB 6 жыл бұрын
Cases and tenses are probably my favourite part of world building, so I';m really glad to see this video included. I also think that you did a really good job of explaining everything pretty clearly :)
@jcon5698 6 жыл бұрын
My conlang has 20 cases and I might be adding more soon!
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
List?
@YaboiFoon 6 жыл бұрын
Good god, how would anyone learn something like that?!
@jcon5698 6 жыл бұрын
Dat Lit Wick the same way anyone learns prepositions in English
@Gunth0r 6 жыл бұрын
> Be Artifexian. > Extensively work on conlang and publish videos on conlang. > Make it an art to respond to nearly all comments with one monosyllabic word.
@nelsonnicholson6175 6 жыл бұрын
He's efficient.
@toasty1727 6 жыл бұрын
You deserve all those patreon supporters! Keep up the amazing videos!
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
Definitely! Thanks for the support. :)
@lubenicmackavic2780 3 жыл бұрын
If I had a favourite case, it would be the locative. It is just so nice.
@F-Man 6 жыл бұрын
My old conlang only had 6 - I feel desperately inferior now. :P
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
It's not about how many. 0 is a perfectly acceptable amount.
@wesleypickles945 6 жыл бұрын
Lol I did something weird with one of my conlangs, I decided to make my locative case handle possession, similarity, and family relation. Also the allative shows motion towards something, but I also said "why not show increasing similarity, change in possession, or allowance?" Idk I like merging junk
@kayseek1248 6 жыл бұрын
Ferrariman601 less is more
@lukasu8525 6 жыл бұрын
lol you do need 1
@generic8891 6 жыл бұрын
Don't worry, there's plenty of complexity to be had with just 6, if that's what you want! After all, all of those 92 functions that Ithkuil had a case for also need a case in your language, even if it's shared. For instance, Latin has an Ablative of Instrument (AoI) and Ablative of Agent (AoA), instead of giving them their own cases. Chuck a bunch of them in, add some unique exceptions to them (say, AoI makes the noun take neuter endings, whatever its gender, while AoA has an 'e' prefix on the normal ablative endings).
@lukario_cz 6 жыл бұрын
In czech we have 7. I will use word rabbit or Králík in czech 1. Rabbit/Králík (the word) 2. Rabbita/Králíka (without him) 3. Rabbitovi/Králíkovi (to whom) 4. Rabbita/Králíka (i see what, in some words its the same as 2) 5. Rabbite!/Králíku (How you call him as a name, have more types as you can see) 6. Rabbitovi/Králíkovi (about him, in some cases can be the same as 3) 7. Rabbitem/Králíkem (with him)
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@lukario_cz 6 жыл бұрын
Artifexian thx
@PtrkHrnk 6 жыл бұрын
Lucari... How can I address you in Vocative case?
@lukario_cz 6 жыл бұрын
Ptrk Hrnk lucario
@ivah.814 6 жыл бұрын
Lucariův Skromný kanál Yay! Another Czech :)
@lucillefrancois150 6 жыл бұрын
This channel and the links it has has always been so helpful when I’m making conlangs. The first one that I’m actually fully fleshing out into a full fledged speakable language exists in no small part because of this great series.
@allypiesik1102 6 жыл бұрын
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@matthewschad6649 6 жыл бұрын
"The mana gave the woman's dogi a boneo," atleast you put an 'o' instead of an 'r'.
@oz_jones 6 жыл бұрын
The R is implied ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@yoironfistbro8128 6 жыл бұрын
He should have put a "go" instead of "i"
@mrpellagra2730 5 жыл бұрын
Or an e
@_yellow 4 жыл бұрын
The mana gave the woman's doge a boner
@wvauclain 6 жыл бұрын
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@Alanzice 6 жыл бұрын
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@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
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@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
Glad to be of service. :)
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@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
Me too. :)
@ossi_2429 6 жыл бұрын
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@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
No probs, pal. Thank you for watching.
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@nellasharman3752 6 жыл бұрын
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@JazzyWaffles 6 жыл бұрын
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@ccaw5785 6 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad for this channel. It was really hard for me to wrap my head around a lot of these concepts from just reading the wikipedia pages lol
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
Tell me about it. I'm lucky to have a couple of linguistically inclined friends I can bounce questions off.
@dhooth 6 жыл бұрын
Great explanation! Makes the topic very easy to understand.
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
That's the goal.
@TheDustyForest 6 жыл бұрын
I voted for this video topic but I didn't realise how interesting the topic would be! Every time my inspiration is starting to wane, I watch a new Artifexian video and all my inspiration comes right back :D
@dijek5511 6 жыл бұрын
In Japanese, the distinction between case markers and postpositions is somewhat ambiguous and depends mostly on sound rather than syntax. Also, it has no exceptions whatsoever to the use of the case suffixes (there are no declensions) so the suffixes act more like separate words from their nouns than in many languages.
@DrPonner 5 жыл бұрын
You can even use cases alongside adpositions to create more complex meanings. My conlang would use the allative with “in” to mean “into” and with “between” to meant “through” I also use the allative and ablative case to indicate tense on “is X” statements since my conlang has no “be” verb.
@RainbowFishSaysHello 6 жыл бұрын
Nice video :) I didn’t know anything about this topic, and you presented it in a way that was interesting and easy to understand.
@greenwater8096 6 жыл бұрын
language is the greatest work of humans. JK it's memes.
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
You're not wrong.
@greenwater8096 6 жыл бұрын
That's good to know! ;3
@angeldude101 6 жыл бұрын
Languages themselves satisfy the technical criteria for a meme, they're just not designed to be extremely infectious.
@greenwater8096 6 жыл бұрын
yea, and the constant creation of "new" words (like Spaget and Wae) can alter the way we type or or write in order to look funny, so yea, language is memes and memes are language.
@Gunth0r 6 жыл бұрын
viral (meme) versus durable (language)?
@erikhuhtiniemi87 6 жыл бұрын
Finnish actually has an ablative too and something that resembles instrumental
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
It does but I wanted to feature a couple of different languages. I could have demonstrated most of this through Finnish alone.
@erikhuhtiniemi87 6 жыл бұрын
Artifexian Omg you answered! Yeah, I completely understand that it'd get a bit boring if it was just finnish
@bvthebalkananarchistmapper5642 6 жыл бұрын
+Artifexian While I did need some of the explanations of cases, I didn't need all, since my native language has 7 of them: nominative, genitive, dative, accusative, vocative, instrumental and locative.c
@finnsalsa9304 6 жыл бұрын
Hmm... A Slavic language? Polska?
@bvthebalkananarchistmapper5642 6 жыл бұрын
+かたつむり You can guess my country and my language by my channel's name, you not-nerdy-enough-type-of-person.
@jackmellen 6 жыл бұрын
Hey! my dude! great videos, for real. I would love to see more world building stuff and maybe not toooo much on conlangs. Specifics on how to conlangs are made is dope, but I would like more broad topics. Maps, histories, constructing social classes and cultures, etc.
@oliverturner1649 6 жыл бұрын
Woohoo! Sounds like this could be the first of many more incredible Atifexian videos! Thank you for kindling the growing flame in me that is becoming a fully-fledged love of linguistics! (i already loved worldbuilding, so, sorry. you can't have credit for that one!)
@captainconlang9367 5 жыл бұрын
My current conlang titled "Greg" has noun cases. The language only has one syllable, pronounced "Greg", but with several different tones & lengths. The case is marked with the first syllable, and is determined by length.
@leo9463065 6 жыл бұрын
Also, Ithkuil have 96 cases, not 92. There are 72 main cases and 24 Comparison cases. The main cases contains the following: 11 Transrelative cases 7 Possessive cases 32 Associative cases 15 Temporal cases 6 Spatial cases 1 Vocative case (reference: www.ithkuil.net/04_case.html ) There are also bunch of inflictions and affixations for various stuffs. Take the root *Pʰ* "Tree" for example: Is there only one tree, two trees, a group of tree that looks the same, a group of tree that looks different, or a group of same-looking tree that form a larger concept (forest for example)? [Configuration] What is the purpose of the tree? [Affiliation] Are we talking about this specific tree, trees in general, or some abstract concept about trees? [Perspective] What part of the tree is it, all of it, part of it, or the end of it? [Extention] Is this tree a existing one or a imagined one? [Essence] (reference: www.ithkuil.net/03_morphology.html ) And these 5 are only a part of thing you can (actually in this case, must) do. There are also some other stuff in the word structures and a tons of suffixes. (suffixes: www.ithkuil.net/07_suffixes.html ) Ithkuil is hard.
@leo9463065 6 жыл бұрын
Pretentious I use Reddit and also read from Baidu sometimes. One of the most difficult part for me now is using all these roots, cases, suffixes and such to express the concept I want. Probably it's because that I'm not familiar enough with them. Like, once it took me over half an hour to make a word and end up asking in Reddit. Most of time was spent on root and suffix searching.
@Gunth0r 6 жыл бұрын
Looks like the cases Perspective and Essence have some overlap (abstract - imagined). I'm sure there must be a lot of overlap like this if you have 96 cases. Highly inefficient. Not my thing!
@ichdu0014 6 жыл бұрын
My conlang is even more extreme than English. It doesn't even have a Genitive-s. Declination is not a thing. Thanks for mentioning WorldAnvil. I really enjoy world building but always struggled to write a story on top of the world, which in turn let the world die. So now I can build my worlds first without the lack of story telling stopping me. ^^
@Bxu021 6 жыл бұрын
these videos are the best for my soul
@jimbuddha 6 жыл бұрын
@0.08 "Nouns identify people, places, things and ideas," with 4 star wars references and I already love this video. :)
@maxmccormick3376 6 жыл бұрын
Great video! I like the new animation style!
@incorporealnuance 6 жыл бұрын
NICE I dunno why I didn't see this in my subscription list but I'm pumped for more conlanging content
@jake-jk8rj 6 жыл бұрын
My conlang only had 20, I might have gone overboard on making it easier. hmer Ortepekseyen! (Thanks Artifexian)
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
No probs. Thanks for watching.
@soton4010 6 жыл бұрын
I really injoy your videos, about my conlang cases I'm working on a case system that is optional for vegness.
@trurlCXC 6 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy watching these videos about the simplest grammar tasks for englishmen, like 'oh! It's possible to coniugate a verb, you really shoud try it one time' or 'a short explanation, what is an adjective, becouse it is something different than noun'. Anyway, it was kind of fun, for me.
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed.
@trurlCXC 6 жыл бұрын
Artifexian Glad You make videos
@Gallo4 6 жыл бұрын
Esperanto has also the Nominative and Accusative, so good choice i guess.
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
Perhaps, but it was really just a matter of what fitted nicely on screen and was clear and concise. It's up to you guys to take the info and run with it.
@ChrissieBear 6 жыл бұрын
I LOVE English's case, it makes thelanguafe so easy to learn.
@essennagerry 6 жыл бұрын
Ohhhh I wish you all the best and to be able to do this as your job with lots of pleasure and good earnings! ^^ I'm very happy!
@ModEscharPlays 3 жыл бұрын
My conlang has eleven cases so far. I think I watched this video a while back and it helped me come up with my case scheme. The inflection is placed on the articles and pronouns in mine. So "[Get] away from me!" -> "Emva!" / Em = me/I / va = marker for ablative case (away from).
@dominickvukic8673 6 жыл бұрын
SO PROUD OF YOU!
@jamesthenabignumber 6 жыл бұрын
Great video! 's is actually a contraction of es - the original suffix for the genitive case. So all uses of apostrophes are for contractions!
@cheluca-dj 6 жыл бұрын
Lol i just started doing this yesterday, creating one for a language. Awesome to see you doing it in a video the day after.
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
Glad to be of service, pal.
@AnyaChuri 5 жыл бұрын
Bhagwan!!!!!! Very thorough!!! HAT'S OFF
@ironsfamily6 6 жыл бұрын
Love these videos! Maybe I'll end up actually building that conlang I've wanted to do sometime soon...
@ironsfamily6 6 жыл бұрын
Totally checking out World Anvil by the way! Thanks!
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
Remember tell 'em Edgar sent ya. :)
@alexandermoon6349 6 жыл бұрын
This would of made understanding this way easier had I had this before I understood this Great video
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, pal. :)
@obviativ123 4 жыл бұрын
In German, cases are used to mark subject, direct and indirect object so the wordorder marks • Conditional clauses (sometimes), e.g. Ich gehe "I am going" vs. Gehe ich "If I am going (or will be going)" • Questions, e.g. Gehe ich? "Am I going?" • Focus and topic
@boreasreal5911 6 жыл бұрын
man, your german pronounciation is almost percfect, good job, great video. Hope you will get to your patreon goal soon, so you can make videos without needing to worry about money so much. A few sponsored videos would be nice too. Audible and Brilliant are sponsoring a ton of educational videos and since i consider this educational, maybe there might be some interest in working together.
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
I'm half german, so that helps. I'm pretty sure this channel doesn't get viewed enough for sponsor to be interested in it. :/
@jeffstormer2547 6 жыл бұрын
No tnecessarily, I know of a young YTer that had acquired 2 sponsors having only done 2-3 videos. At the least, contacting them could get you on their radar..."We like what we're seeing, how about calling again when you hit X views/subscribers/fill in the metric?" kind of thing. I appreciate your great work!
@ConlangKrishna 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for including my mother tongue Luxembourgish as an example of an exceptional declension system! Yes, Luxembourgish has two cases: nominative and dative.
@simonastor1437 6 жыл бұрын
Artifexian, I love watching your videos, especially the advice on conlangs. But I am curoius on one thing; how do you construct articulations for a species that doesn't entirely have an anatomy similar to humans? (such as one of my designed species having a scondary toung on the upper pad of the mouth, and another seperate esophagus that follows behind it).
@dhhq7154 6 жыл бұрын
My language has 19 cases with 3 genders and 4 declension schemes each, and almost every one can be added on to nouns that already have cases on them. No numerical limit to the amount of cases one individual noun can have.
@hitzu111 6 жыл бұрын
BTW Russian Instrumental case has a lot more applications than just making the word an instrument. For example, it can mark a profession of somebody "he works /as a teacher/", OR it defines the most used object in a sentence "he rules /the kingdom/", OR it marks the agent in the passive voice "the house is built /by workers/", OR it marks the cause of smth "to be ill /by the flu/", OR to define the time "/The Sunday morning/ he woke up", OR the measure "to load the grain /in barrels/", and many more. For the sake of conlang you can theoretically define a case by the (English) preposition it would replace, but IRL it has a lot more functions, plus cases can work together with prepositions to even more fine tune the meaning.
@idanzamir7540 6 жыл бұрын
Hebrew has a really cool system of noun possession, it can really shorten a sentence elegantly, for example: (kh means voiceless velar fricative) aron = closet aroni = my closet aroneno = our closet aronkha = your closet (male) aronkhem = your closet (male plural) aronekh = your closet (female) aronkhen = your closet (female plural) arono = his closet aronam = their closet (male) arona = her closet aronan = their closet (female) Wanna add prefixes as well? here you go: be'aron = in a closet le'aron = to a closet me'aron = from a closet So if you also use Hebrew verb conjugation you can say "we hid in her closet" in just two words: "hitkhabeno be'arona" pretty cool, ha?
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
Ye, quechua does a similar thing. I believe.
@ijahnnakehlam5919 2 жыл бұрын
At last, I understand! I will watch this a few more times to let it sink in more. I have a question: What resources would you recommend where we can learn about this tooic more in depth?
@jerryberry9658 5 жыл бұрын
Farsi doesn't really have a noun case system, in fact has less than English, the way you tie nouns together is actually pretty straight forward and can probably be fully understood within a week of intensive study (took me much longer cause I started learning it very lazily)
@PureZOOKS 6 жыл бұрын
Finally, cases have been explained to me in a simple way.
@mi8628 4 жыл бұрын
Ever since I discovered noun cases, almost all of my conlangs have included them. Noun cases are amazing, and my current conlang has 7 of them.
@oinkymomo 5 жыл бұрын
latin has the main 4, the ablative, which is everything prepositions basically and a few other miscellaneous uses, and the vocative, which is used in the context "you! do something" or "hey you!" and only changes words in the second declension (out of 5). i think there's also a locative that may or may not just be part of the ablative
@cOmAtOrAn 6 жыл бұрын
I like the idea of making use of something other than suffixes to mark case. Like, maybe all consonants become aspirated in the accusative case.
@jacobscrackers98 5 жыл бұрын
4:30 For the example you've just given there, that effectively just makes the roots all have 'n' at the end.
@kopasz777 6 жыл бұрын
As a Hungarian this system feels logical and really makes expressing subtle things possible without many additional words. On the other hand I'd choose to learn English any day over Hungarian (or Finnish or what have you).
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
Agree.
@bekesiklaudia4841 6 жыл бұрын
Fefinix Hungarian is fine if you were born here but otherwise it's a pain in the ass. I've always hated grammar lessons for this very reason: why do I have to learn all those cases if I can use them? Maybe I just had TERRIBLE grammar teachers (which I had to be honest) or it doesn't even make sense to native Hungarians.
@morwon 6 жыл бұрын
Nyugi, ezzel mindenki így van szerintem. :D
@benw9949 6 жыл бұрын
What about a summary video of Irish Gaelic cases -- or also, how and why Gaelic uses -h or dot lenition with stops/fricatives, or how and why it uses e or I for so many purposes, or some clues into pronunciation of the vowel clusters or consonants. I'd love to understand this, as a real-world example of an Indo-European language, not so far removed from Latin or Germanic, that does something very different by comparison.
@overratedprogrammer 5 жыл бұрын
As far as I know you didn't do a video on verb conjugation. Can you do that?
@AshtonSnapp 6 жыл бұрын
Love that title.
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
Cheers.
@QuotePilgrim 6 жыл бұрын
Latin has 7 cases, though. Vocative, nominative, accusative, genitive, dative, ablative, and locative. It could possibly have had more at one point, but those are the ones I am sure about; I had Latin classes in college last year, and I had to memorize the first three declensions for 5 of those cases because the vocative is almost always identical to the nominative and the locative is pretty rare, but it's still existent, so you should include it for a total of 7. Anyway, I'd really like a video about morphosyntactic alignment (nominative-accusative vs. ergative-absolutive). David Petterson's explanation is just about perfect to me, but I would like to see someone else's perspective. The conlang I've been working on on-and-off for over a decade now (with very little actual progress being ever achieved) has an ergative-absolutive alignment for the most part, and morphosyntactic alignment is one of the most fascinating grammatical concepts I've ever heard of.
@varana 6 жыл бұрын
It depends on how you're teaching it. All Latin teachers and text books I know go with five cases for declension tables, and talk about the other two as defective cases later on.
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
Ergativity is on the list.
@theterranempire2172 6 жыл бұрын
Finaly,Artifexian has returned!
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
Been back for 6ish months now. KZfaq is terrible at notifying you guys. :(
@theterranempire2172 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah!I just saw this video!KZfaq has a problem whit notification sorting,but everything is great now!I can watch meny Artifexian videos! P.S:Can you do worldbuilding videos again,those were the greatest!
@haidenalain8372 6 жыл бұрын
Great channel! My new favourite! In a future video could you talk about verbs please? They seem like one of the most important parts of any given language. Oh, and maybe something about articles (the most useless part of language)...
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, both of those are on the list.
@thesuomi8550 5 жыл бұрын
@@larho9031 a lot of languages don't have any articles
@mitologieantiche3458 6 жыл бұрын
You're th best, as always!
@CreepersNeedHugs Жыл бұрын
I'm making a conlang, which definitely has locative and ablative noun cases. I didn't even know it was an actual thing.
@cristiangabrielploesteanu210 5 жыл бұрын
In my conlang there are 3 cases+ 2 modifications Nominative: M: èrn, èrnëy F: àrn,àrnëy N:uyrn,uyrnëy Accusative M: eyü,eyúz F:aiy,aiyz N:z,dz Genitive M:sûe,suân F:suir,suirēz Definite art. M:è,èz F:à,àz N:eyt,eyts Sub.subj (main noun of a sentense with special verbs) M,F,N: âín,âínts
@alanthehirsch 6 жыл бұрын
First of all I'm German and just so used to it that I never thought about putting it into my conlang. And I wondered in primary school why English has no cases. BTW you German pronunciations are spots on!
@juliangoulette7600 6 жыл бұрын
Proto x (the name is just a temporary place holder) has 9 cases: Nom. Abs. Gen. Dat. Acc. Erg. Loc. Voc. Instr. Nom. and Acc. are used for voluntary actions Erg. and Abs. are used for involuntary actions
@dorianmajerowski7895 6 жыл бұрын
Artifexian is BACK yay
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
Been back for awhile now. Due to youtubes awful notification system there's probably a couple of videos you've missed.
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@atomnous 5 жыл бұрын
Case system can no longer be in free order as the sentence becomes more complicated with subordinate and relative clauses. That's why I prefer solely depending on word order and adpositions to convey noun functions, it's more efficient.
@victorfergn 5 жыл бұрын
Latin has 7 cases, although the locative case is not used all the time.
@brokenursa9986 6 жыл бұрын
This reminded me of my nightmare conlang, which has 8 cases (nominative, vocative, accusative, genitive, dative, ablative, locative, and instrumental), 3 grammatical numbers (singular, dual, and plural), and 4 grammatical genders (masculine, feminine, neuter, and nonbinary). It requires declensions for the case and number, but does not decline for gender. However, adjectives must agree with their noun's gender, and verbs must agree with the subject's gender. Yes, this conlang is specifically designed to be as annoying as possible.
@kerimbabic7535 5 жыл бұрын
We have these cases in Bosnian and we have 7 Nominativ, genitiv, dativ, accusativ, vokativ, lokativ and instrumental
@bobtheduck 5 жыл бұрын
My nouns are pretty naked. There's just plurality and posession. Verbs, on the other hand, are adorned like a Christmas tree. Besides the 12 tenses English has conceptually (if not hardcoded), there are also negation, passivity, permission, ability, desire, and need as potential suffixes. Granted, these things aren't ALWAYS present... Only when needed, so there are still languages that go far beyond this by including these things both when they are active and when they are not, but I think it's a good start...
@allanjohnson8951 6 жыл бұрын
Latin has 7 noun cases-- Nominative, Genitive, Dative, Accusative, Ablative, Vocative, and Locative. I can understand the overlook of their locative, since it only applies to certain (albeit irregular) words. It also technically has 8 declension systems--1, 2, 2n, 3, 3n, 4, 4n, 5. Again, easy to overlook the neuter ones, although they are very common in the language.
@varana 6 жыл бұрын
That's simply a question how you count cases and declensions. Vocative and Locative are defective, so it's quite common to not count them any more. The neuter declensions are usually just counted as part of the 2nd/3rd/4th one - if we're counting them separately, we should also refer to i-stems like _turris_ as a separate category, bringing the count up to 9.
@QuannanHade 6 жыл бұрын
Would a good (if overcomplicated) way to produce the "natural deviation" of a natlang in to conlang be to create other donor-conlangs to pepper your target conlang with -- either as full conlangs, or as pieces of logically ascribed counter-grammar rules?
@august9787 6 жыл бұрын
This reminds me so much of my conlang Alpian.
@jackalope2302 6 жыл бұрын
You are amazing. Your content is unique. You ever mess with Solresol?
@Artifexian 6 жыл бұрын
Don't like it. We talk about it in the last episode of my podcast - linked in the dooblydoo.
@jackalope2302 6 жыл бұрын
Artifexian that podcast was a mile long! I do get what you're saying about tone-deafness being a problem with the language, but I was more interested in your thoughts on the seven phoneme/ morpheme concept. In particular the way that it can be used with symbols hand gestures or colors. With such a limited number of phonemes/morphemes I was wondering if it might be too limited to be used as a form of communication particularly if large number of phonemes in one word is not a problem.
@stat251097 5 жыл бұрын
In bulgarian we don't have cases but the word order is free, we mark the nouns function by using words like in, of, at, to...
@hitzu111 6 жыл бұрын
Also, you can have cases exclusively for a certain group of words. For example, the partitive case that can be applied to the uncountable nouns only.
@kaengurus.sind.genossen 9 ай бұрын
Many languages with a partitive case do apply it to countable nouns, e.g. Finnish
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