Meanwhile Britain is doing genocide in Gaza

a free dinner cooked by a loving parent is not to be sniffed at! lucky you! ;)

@@atee876 its true and I got two of 'em.

I still haven' got any further though the interview. But an odd thing is, my feminist colleague doing post grad stuff after finishing, went from theory to praxis, and gave a me a pile of her feminists texts to add to my home library between my epistemology and logic sections. They are fairly recent general texts and collections of essays mostly. The thing is, Judith Butler is not even in most of them, and is only a couple of quotes in the one that mentions bodies. I mean I'm all for privileging margins, but really?

So i read all i have of Judith Butler in books in five minutes. Thing is i went full Butlerian for some years from late 2000's though to early 2010s. All the EGS seminars and lectures some I watched several times, and many other lectures too. So right now I thought I'd have a go at performing Butler and then return to this interview and write about it after some praxis and experience. Just don't tell my friends on the right and my conservative colleagues. You can assess this already in comments on a Konstantin Kisin talk at Centre for Independent Study 2 weeks ago. For praxis reasons I choose to omit any reference to Butler, until I've drawn them in.

Not fantastic at all! Butler in the first section of the video is confused. Feminists historically have of course tried to expand the acceptable boundaries of what it was to be a woman: they did so by aiming to expand upon the acceptable forms of behaviour etc that BIOLOGICAL FEMALES were allowed to display. Removing gender stereotypes and saying a biological male can be a woman are not conceptually equivalent, because (a) removing stereotypes society applies to biological females does not remove a necessary condition for someone to be a woman: namely, that they be biologically female, but (b) saying a biological male can be a woman is an attempt to remove, or sweep under the carpet, a necessary condition for a person to be a woman: namely, it is an attempt to say a woman does not have to be a biological female. I think it is far more accurate and reasonable to say that trans women are pushing the acceptable boundaries for what it is to be a man (and good for them!), rather, than, as Butler claims, trans women representing the expanding of acceptable boundaries of what it is to be a woman.

@@nickthepostpunk5766 _trans women are pushing the acceptable boundaries for what it is to be a man (and good for them!)_ What a great thought! I'll be using it, thank you for that.

Means nothing

No, trans activists are bringing lies to a war on the truth.

Well said

I find a purely Marxist approach lacking in intersectionality - As if illustrating it, it has been a recurring problem with revolutionary politics that it often turns into a lot of straight cis white men talking about what liberation looks like for both themselves and everyone else. Class politics alone fails to encapsulate all possible intersections of oppression, likely because certain forms of oppression predate the advent of class politics, and even within otherwise solid class movements you can find misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, racism, etc.

i loved that lol

I'm gonna steal that.

What does it mean?

@@uncoiledfish2561 "are we focused so much on feelings and ideas that we are unequipped to deal with the material consequences of transphobia?"

@alioxinfree I thought they were all obsessed with "passing" and claiming no one notices they are there.... now its visibility. Nothing makes sense with you people 😂

Well put, it turns out that the question 'what is a woman' does actually require some thought - like the question of the meaning of life, or what is a god, for example.

​@@DavidBagshawExcept that philosophers on those questions actually arrived at an answer that it was possible to agree or disagree with.

It's not because it's unscripted or because she's an academic. It's because she isn't trying to be comprehensible or else would too easily see through the shells of nothing that are her ideas.

The problem is that even when we are polite, transphobes will spin it any way they can unless peoppe take the time to watch videos like this, and most right wingers don't watch this channel unfortunately, because it'd pretty leftist

There is no logic to the pro-trans movement, in fact when faced with logic it withers up and dies.

The entire movement is twisted

@@urbansetter1 thats the entire point of the theory. Sometimes also called "sophistry"

The problem here is that some things are quite complicated, you see

To post-modern thinkers, everything -- and I mean EVERYTHING -- is relative.

It's not freedom, it's slavery. The first step, preparation. If you don't see it, I am very sorry.

It's a horrifying pile-on, several commentors admit they did not watch the video.

It is response of the serfs to a criticism of feudalism. They are still beholden to the framework and the means of their own subjugation.

​@@DavidBagshaw I did watch it. I want my 53 minutes back. What absolute drivel.

It's accessible. And everyone needs a jumping off point that is grounded in their reality. I myself appreciated some simple anchors. Given at the end you reflect on it, but the fight isn't for ground zero on social identity. Its about taking ground back from ignorance. You don't teach math with algebra. You start with the numbers.

​@@philsanders9625Then why not start with biological reality rather than the seemingly idosyncratic social norms that have developed over the course of millenia? Then you might learn why those social norms exist in the first place, and thereby learn why it's idiotic to use them as a proxy for becoming the opposite sex.

@@philsanders9625 and when talking about gender and sex stereotypes, you start with the immutable nature of sex. A transwoman is only a transwoman because they are a male sexed person.

It doesn’t, which is fairly obvious. Sounds like you just haven’t thought about this topic very much.

​@@farmpunk_danLol. Produce arguments or get lost, sycophant.

You got it!

A squirrel lives in my garden rent-free.

Making all oppression to be connected eliminates the significance between them.

@@chibu3212 What significance? That our capitalist imperialist or any authoritarian dictatorship depends on oppression as a feature of that system continuing?

But what *is* an animal?

@@incurableromantic4006 A creature that identifies as one is an animal. Oh wait ....

Everyone else stopped being interested in gender stereotypes in about 1950 but Judith's still trying to put us in little boxes

@@ayeright320 That seems like such a strange perspective to me. Do you have a concrete example of Butler’s gender stereotyping?

@@BeeThorough C'mon you only have to go about 5 mins through the interview to get to the first example. That's just being lazy...

@@alst4817 Can you be more specific? Clearly I wasn’t watching closely enough.

I missed the part where Judith wanted to have only one category for...everything? It would make things difficult to discuss.

Thank you Jane, for being considerate :) I think that's a good approach, I think that's what my parents did as well after I came out

Obviously you don’t understand basic biology. Please study what exactly Postmodernism is. Then you will understand what reality bending Butler does.

@@PattisKarriereKarten We're all biology experts here, didn't you know? Elon has now insisted that all Blue Tick Twitter Accounts prove their expertise in biology and pass an ELON MANDATED BIOLOGY TEST and produce an inexpensive CERTIFICATE before being allowed to scream abuse at trans people!

That's an interesting way to characterise feminists objecting to, for example, convicted rapists in women's prisons. They are being hysterical, whereas you are, quite reasonably, outsourcing your politics to your children. And there are only people, by the way. There isn't an "alternative" to that.

Glad you understood something from her explanation of what a woman is, other than “nothing.”

Aging*

however, if we are to ever transition to a society based on allocation to those in need, we certainly have to consider intergenerational population proportionality, regardless of our technological level. this does not necessitate patriarchal fixation with birth rates however-we just need a certain continuity (ie no booms nor busts)

How so? Is gender-nonconforming uncle a stereotype? I've never heard it.

And trans ideology is strengthening those stereotypes.

​@@milascave2What is he not conforming with?

​@@Qq-xs1fzfor sure. Tomboys are now trans. It has taken us back to the 60s

@@milascave2 A gay uncle (an effeminate gay uncle;. not complicated at all; obvious)

I'm a bit disappointed that we didn't get to hear any audience questions 😔 Also, jealous! 😁

@alioxinfree Bit of a shame about the mic feedback in this, huh? I didn't want to moan about it, but come on, it's Judith Butler! Get the tech shit together!

She talks absolute nonsense that would fall apart on the first challenge. No way she is taking questions

@@ayeright320 They did though.

​@@EliasJWhite No one was listening. She should be in jail for the poison she's spread.

Is the debate, then, if transgender people exist? Your opportunity for “educated pushback” was this comment section I guess

And what is 'educated pushback'?

@@kimberleylouiseprance445 a counter point argument.

This is an interview, not a debate. We can listen, then decide for ourselves whether "Butler is correct".

The newest comments also include people whos comments are later deleted because: Unwanted commercial content or spam Pornography or sexually explicit material Child abuse Hate speech or graphic violence Promotes terrorism Harassment or bullying Suicide or self injury Misinformation Legal issue Sure thats public opinion, but also extremist views, neutral people comment less, so get a bias. There is a extension for the browser called "Return KZfaq Dislikes". I may not agree with you on things but i still want a objective and scientific view.

KZfaq should change to suit your preferences, but the meaning of the adjective transgender is a change you can’t make in your mind?

But even if you weren't "told" directly, society tells us the way things are. Most learning is aquired, not instructed, such as language. You need to know that bigots, such as Richard Dawkins, also don't like transgendered and queer people. Religion has a par, but being conservative is more of a factorx and that doesn't necessarily equate religion, especially if you look outside the US. Sorry, I thought I had to add that, just saying are implicit values that we learn or aquire in society without having lessons on it.

Yes, because religion can be an expression not of spirituality but of authority. God the father, is the chief guy in charge and he must be obeyed. Faith constitutes the rules that lay down fundamental rules of being that cannot be contravened.

​@@alvodin6197I bet you use the word 'bigot' a lot. Dawkins is a liberal. He's also a scientist.

@@kevinjohnson9533 religion is only ever an expression of authority. Faith is different thing altogether

@@JohnnyComelately-eb5zv He's also been roundly condemned for anti-semitism, Islamaphobia, and promoting classist eugenic ideology - as well as several pseudo-scientific ideas.

You give that a go and see how it works out for you

They'll never accept that

Does it have a basis in psychology? Is there a history there? We could entertain any number of wild hypotheticals, I’m just not sure it’s helpful or honest

That is because there is a difference between race and gender, for race that is decided by the genetics of your ancestors and parents, for gender, all foetus start as male and it is inside the womb that hormones and androgens affect the foetus and dictate the physical birth sex and psychological birth gender of a child.

​​​​@@kimberleylouiseprance445What nonsense?! Your fathers sperm either carried a Y chromosome or it didn't determining your sex at conception. It is in every cell in your body and can't be changed. There is no proof whatsoever that anyone has a gender identity of any sort. There is a far simpler explanation for sex that the comparatively woolly concept of race.

I think one of the points made in Judith's book, Gender Trouble, is that someone's gender is the result of repeated gendered acts (hair, clothes, speech etc). So in a way it equates what people are and what they do. A bit of a chicken and egg question

No they aren't. Gender nonconformity is always used as a scapegoat when society is a mess, but gender nonconformity has always been a part of human nature, it's nothing new. You're just falling for tired old propaganda.

I think you missed the point where she said that that's the narrative that is being pushed so that you blame other struggling people for low pay and shitty living conditions

lol because society's always been neat and tidy

@@chrisharvey7461 It wasn't neat or tidy but it was never this absurd with so much cultural degeneration.

@@Inquiringmind0 “cultural degeneration”. lmao are you lost

You don't like your pope being challenged?

You need to get out more

but categories are invented as it develops visually.

What if able people start self-id as disable? Not all trans-disabled people would abuse disabled people, but there is a door open.

Yes! There is also a strong link between the historical view of disabled people not being "real humans" and today's argument about trans people not being "real X", based on physical and genetic characteristics. The arguments used against both groups are very similar.

​@@MarinaUganda There's a difference there - nobody is going to self-id as disabled, unless they are hypochondriacs, in which case they do have a real medical issue that could be classed as disabled. I do have a test for you on self-ID. I mean this in good faith, I'm not having a go at you. If you think self-id is a small decision, you can test it. Dress up as the opposite gender and walk out into the street. See how awkward and embarrassed you feel, even before anyone has even spoken to you. Honestly, try it. That's the feeling of not being comfortable in your body. That's the feeling that makes you want to wear clothes that match your life. Give it a go and see what it's like for yourself.

Commonsense?? What is a woman - waffle waffle waffle nonsense.... Still no answer....

thats exactly the point.... what is your reality can I question your status..?!

@@sebbosebbo9794 You can and should question everything. My status is single. Why? You wanna take me out for dinner?

Yes, please! 😂

They don’t dare, it would result in Butler looking even more ridiculous than she is on her own.

No not Joyce. I think Kathleen Stock is a better debater.

Yep

no? we do not debate with fascists.

Everyone wants this for you too.

😅😂

i lasted 10 seconds

@@noklarok Can't handle the free marketplace of ideas?

They have protection wings for vulnerable or at risk inmates, men's prisons aren't safe for many men, do they all get to go to the women's prison too? Funny you NEVER hear of Transmen going into men's prisons. It is the most bizarre thing to have feminists advocating for men over actual women.

She mouths contradictions continually and seems oblivious. No intellectual rigor to her thinking at all.

The risk of having trans women in women's prison is lower for women than the risk for trans men if they are in men's prison, but that's just because of numbers. With transwomen in women's prison, we have a low number of transwomen compared to women while with transmen at men's prison, we would have a high number of men compared to a low number of transmen. Basically, a rabbit is in less danger if there are 100 rabbits and 1 fox in a forest than if there are 1 rabbit and 100 foxes. That does not remove the danger however, it just means it's lower than it could have been.

The difference is that there is statistics for sexual assault against Trans woman in mens prison.

words have different connotations, and in that specific example it wasnt even about the word “woman” but rather the meaning of the entire sentence “what is a woman?”

oh no boohoo u mad bro

the same way a platypus lays eggs

Not everyone mixes it up. It serves the interests of gender ideology.

You are polite. I'm with you.

🤨.. ok

irrelevant

Yes they literally are, definition of sex is purely arbitrary, changing from country to country throughout the history, remember sex has been proven to be a spectrum and diversity with high end peaks on both sides. Trans women were born women, their innate gender identity developed during the 2nd trimester is what defines their sex just as much.

@@Shalanayasex is either female or male. No spectrum. How someone feels is subjective and sex is objective thus sex is observed at birth.

@@Charrison9918they observe genitalia at birth, not sex…

@@sodaaccount​​⁠they are typically related unless intersex .

​@@Shalanaya you realize that every definition is arbitrary right?

Because the human neuropsychology has an extremely difficult time dealing with nuance

In a way I think you've partially answered your own question, we are able to distinguish concepts like "fair/dark/light/brown etc. skinned" from concepts like "white"/"black"/"South Asian"/"Puerto Rican"/"Malay" etc. etc. etc. even though there is obviously some relationship between them, often a fairly strong one, but not at all 1 to 1, and it's obvious that the latter are socially defined categories. Isn't that basically how it is with gender & sex characteristics too?

Actually, having thought about it more, I think my previous comment is a real oversimplification lol. Never mind 🙃

Like the above comment is fine as a first pass, and probably a useful way to outline things and draw distinctions, but actually yeah it falls apart a bit under too much scrutiny. Like sex itself is also to an extent a constructed category not just a clear essential/natural one. And words like "white" and "black" sometimes clearly describe social categories, other times more just describe a phenotype, and other times the distinction isn't made, or clear. Just like with sex vis-a-vis gender. I guess, in conclusion, I don't really know how taxonomizing this stuff really works idk ask someone smarter? Philosophy make brain tired...

​​@@Muzikman127 you can't just say sex is to an extent a constructed category without explaining why. Because, that's kind of the crux of the matter.

She sneers that her opponents haven't done their homework about what they're criticizing but then demonstrates she has no idea about the substance of their criticisms. Unbecoming and sloppy.

When have you ever seen her defend an argument in a situation where her nonsense is actually challenged?

Judith is the epitome of sophistry

@@umamicashflow1809 "She sneers"? Really? You might be projecting.

​@@raincadeify "Sneers" was used metaphorically to indicate the arrogance of the behavior that was the subject of my comment. Funny how you completely ignored its substance to nitpick its vocabulary. Very Butlerian.

Most religions don't agree with trans people.

Transgender people also exist. It’s not “addled” to consider how to respectfully interact with those humans 😰

Transgender people also exist. It isn’t “addled” to consider how to respectfully interact with those humans 😰

Are you having a stroke?

one terf, two terves?

Well by forcing them to go in the bathroom that matches their sex instead of their gender, you are literally forcing woman into men-toilets etc. Wich often leads to sexual violation. One thing for the terfs (not terves): What about trans men? They are now forced to be in womens spaces where they also dont want to be. Yes sexual assault is a lesser problem, but still you will whine. And why? Because its not about that.

@@v_6302 “Well by forcing them to go in the bathroom that matches their sex instead of their gender”. strawman. apparently no one has thought of third gender bathrooms. “What about trans men?” no one talks about trans men because they dont pose sexual-violent threat to men; why does no one realize this?

To post-modernists, everything is relative; there is no stable meaning. It's a free pass to mouth nonsense.

There's not sufficient intellectual honesty or internal consistency in the definitions and reasoning used by the modern transgender movement for her to do that. They know there's no logical defence to limit 'identification' to gender under their ideology, but it's not acceptable to many people that accept their ideology to apply it to race. So they can't offer an internally consistent condemnation of the idea of race identification, without it also applying to gender identification, and they can't accept it as being part of their ideological framework. So when you ask the question you get waffle as an answer.

​@@Narapoia1 Exactly. Well put.

Truth, it's all a transhumanist movement

​@Narapoia1 I can give you a clear answer as a trans woman. Please explain to me what hormones that I can take to become a different race? Humans on a development level have both sexes inside of them to some extent. We all start female. 50 percent of the time it develops onto male. Basically, we all have inside of us gender and sex already and it's there to be used regardless of race. Race doesn't work like that medically and a white person doesn't likely have any capacity inside of them to become Asian as they weren't born with that inside of them. There. Perfectly, scientifically answered. By the way, yes I am the one you are refusing to answer in the LBC. Where I have completely pulled apart your moral panic over us and provided zero backing for any of your wild claims. Most notably comparing our healthcare to lobtamies which I found hilariously inaccurate.

@@calumlambert but there are no hormones you can take to become a woman, only simulate womanhood and that’s not the same thing. Scientifically the entire human race originated in Africa so why can’t a white person say he has ‘African inside of him’. Also what if a white blonde person discovers that he is 13% percent ‘Japanese’ in him, can he then claim to be transracial? Get all the surgeries on his eyes? Dye his hair? Learn Japanese? Live in Japan? Does he become Asian/Japanese? No one is a pure example of any race , to some extent you could argue that we are all inter-related , so why can’t we identify as each other’s races?

It’s fascinating how criticism of Butler so rarely touches on anything they’ve written or said. Here: “Butler is a sophist.” Why? Dunno. Because you said so, I suppose.

@@sasha_something . I find it equally fascinating, that the confirmation bias, and celebration of cognitive dissonance evoked by the words of Butler is rife.. She espouses rhetoric that is at best contradictory, and at worst disingenuous, but she remains the go to figurehead when it comes to all things transgender, so much so she has made a successful career out of it. Her 1990 book, Gender Trouble as one example, introduces the now-mainstreamed (academic) concept that gender, sex, and the “category of woman” are “fluid.” "The main conundrum faced by gender identity ideologues today (and, by proxy, women’s rights advocates), which they have refused to respond to in a cohesive way, is that, 1) If there is no concrete definition of “woman,” what is a “woman’s right”? And 2) If a woman is not a material thing, but just a vague idea, why the concerted, often violent effort to insist “transwomen are [literally] women”? What does that mean? What is a woman? And why is it important we “accept transwomen as women” (particularly if there is no such thing)? What are we accepting them as, and how does it improve a male person’s life to be “accepted as a woman”? Hence my use of Sophist to describe her.

@@rexcarrulers6504 When I clicked on this video, I was prepared to give this perspective a fair hearing. But they (plural, the two of them) lost me with the casual, group-loyalty-signaling use of the derogatory term 'terf'.

​@@ronmackinnon9374terf isn't derogatory it just means trans exclusionary radical feminist

@@marcelusdarcy “terf” is sometkmes used derogatorily

Well said!

It doesn’t even require an open mind. Just common sense.

@@dewilew2137 absolutely

what is “expection”?

​@@expedition346 A typo.

you maybe are an afraid person and you think there's a "truth" as if universal view could be

Who's truth?

@@Kirsty-tb4qp exactly

I'd like to point out that the interviewer didn't ask Butler to answer what a woman is, but rather talk about what do people intend when they make the question "what is a woman"

Surely that's just a problem with underfunded mental health services. Why do trans clinics have to shut down, why can't children's mental health services do better? My autism wasn't caught till I was 20. I had been under CAMHS since I was 15.

So you don’t think the right are utilizing a fear of transness and gender nonconformity as a political tool?

This ain't feminist

@@soulfoodie1 You don't have to hatewatch KZfaq.

Orwellian use of the word 'feminist.' Strange times.

@@JohnnyComelately-eb5zv there's nothing Orwellian (really you meant dystopian) about calling contemporary feminist debate, feminist.

@@moonpixelle No. I meant Orwellian. Look in a dictionary. It's Orwellian to describe a men's rights movement as feminist. Nothing to do with 'dystopia.' Although, if you have your way we may well be in a dystopia.

Ash is probably referring to PMC6830990 and or PMC10756016, which states that on many occasions that incarcerated trans women have it worse in many ways, including resource access and sexual violence inflicted onto trans women. The former also does specifically mention where error and limits can conflict with the result, which can come as an issue with the data collected. Respectfully, I also have had many suspicions with how the data in the Parliament evidence (referring to the 78/129 statistic) referenced is collected. The pool of trans women is quite inconsistent, sometimes exceeding Prison and Probation reports on their own times, and is overly vague across the paper (of which I suspect is due to a strong emphasis on evidence collected by single-issue groups), there is too little data to make any conclusions. That's not to say this article isn't valid in all aspects, it at the very least shows that self ID access shouldn't be entirely unfettered, although it does not mean to abolish it entirely.

Source? Ya made it up.

​@@brentboymebob8754There are protection wings in men's prisons where they can put men scared of other prisoners. Absolutely nothing to do with women whatsoever - not one man should be in a women's prisons don't care if they've had surgery or whatever. Not women's problem.

@ayeright320 You should look at the studies I just linked, they literally mention that protective custody is ineffective for solving the problem in it's entirety, because the prison never works in mental help, counseling, or providing medication. It's even been mentioned that prison staff of the mens prisons often discriminate against the trans women in particular. Not to mention, excluding trans people from prisons provides more problems. Trans men also come into custody, and regardless of your thoughts on their identity, they are still masculine people that get incarcerated, and like anyone else, they can be abusive, violent, and if the law does not care about surgery, still penetrative.

@@brentboymebob8754 Prisons have better things to do than pander to these people. Everyone in prison has mental health problems no one gets fussed over because of their lifestyle choices.

would love to know what your definition of a woman is without resorting to a circular definition, i.e relying on “adult female” to save you

LOL, "adult human female" IS the definition of the word "woman". Nothing circular about it. Read a book - the dictionary.

@@sillyguy951 the words "adult" "human" "female" dont need "woman" to be defined so its not circular

Adult human female is not a circular definition for woman.

@@dakinichick yeah that's a very simple and clear definition. but go read the definition of "female" on dictionary and say farewell to all the simplicity.

This is all waffling and sophistry. Hardly anything logical about her statement.

@@nataliekhanyola5669 Of course you can intellectualize prejudice anyway you like, to claim a persons logical world view doesn't meet your personal cultural bias, so not add up by your logic doesn't mean the other persons thinking is illogical, you just lack empathy or understanding of nuance for their particular points.

​@@sophiepooks2174"you lack empathy" there you go - the ad hominem attack because this person can see what rubbish this women talks and you can't.

We already know quite well the "right wing questions", and their political purpose: to prevent any structured argumentation, to cut the grass under our feet before any real discussion start, to frame the conversation as badly as possible for the minorities and their rights. The same pro-fascists propagandists have been repeating them as loud as possible for years, and too many liberals are intoxicated by the same rhetoric. At least, we have here one hour without the usual right wing pollution. This may sure make some rightwingers and transphobes unhappy, but every one of our trans, intersex, non binary, non gender conforming existence make them unhappy anyway, making cisnormative people happy is out of reach for us.

Yea, that sounds right.

Undeniably true. And BTW, I agree with the quote marks around "right wing" - this is SO not a simple right/left issue.

I agree. This interview was not robust enough and didn’t push back on Butler’s various assertions and opinions.

I don’t think feminism, ie acknowledging women have needs and these should be fought for or protected, is right wing.

if expression it is possible that presentation doesnt effectively communicate identification, then (without any other empirical characteristics), then identification is nonsense

😂😅😂

Words contain meaning and are filled with conotations. If a judge asks you if you like children, he could mean if you are pedophile, but asking the same from parents, is more like smalltalk about family, etc. Transphobes use that, as she clearly describes in the talk, that its used to discredit people that feel unomfortable giving a clear answere, because they dont want to exclude trans people. Others use that to try and better understand a topic. The goal is different, so the answere should be different to.

@@v_6302 the answer is clear, and people avoid giving it because men aren't women so transwomen are men.

Philosophy isn’t about answers it’s about questions

She wasn't really asked that question. The question was, "What do people mean when they ask that question?" So basically, they avoided having to define "woman."

@@mewho6199 Same thing, same answer. Q. What is a woman? A. adult human female Q. "What do people mean when they ask that question?" A. They're asking if you think a woman is an adult human female. Either/or, they end up at the same thing. Her answer should have been 'They're asking if you think a woman is an adult human female."

She doesn’t know.

@@barbarasumrok8321 _______________Of course she does. Everyone knows.