VERY TRUE👍

The brains on the other side are a bit addled.

Yes!

Both are f king feminists and best minds??? Are you kidding me

For me it’s the shirts….

​@@user-tf2rj2jm2n😂

I'm a lesbian and I have a crush on Kathleen😅

I'm a straight man, and I don't, but she is so rational and measured on this that it is no wonder that she is a top voice to listen to about all this nonsense.

she is VERY attractive.

Yes! Me too, I’ve been describing myself as politically homeless for so long. I’m an old early feminist from the 60s (and still hold those views) but in recent years have found myself on the same side as right wing neoliberals whose politics of capitalism and individual freedom over community and society repel me. Kathleen Stock represents sanity, at last. But I’m afraid it still leaves me politically, if not culturally, homeless, I can never vote Conservative and I don’t recognise the Labour Party as fundamentally different any more under the current leader. Where does this leave radical feminists? Well, as I said, I am old so I’m happy to be a spectator now. Except I want a better world for my granddaughters than one in which their womanhood is denied them.

Capitalism got us to where we are now, yes it's gone off the rails but that's because we're slipping into oligarchy markets, not free markets. Big business buys up small competition, unless the owner/creator has the will to say no which few do. Despite this the UK still has a large successful pool of small businesses that employ plenty of people in the grand scheme of things, and pay a substantial portion of the tax pie. The Tories as they stand atm aren't much of conservatives, but those who are actually conservative, low tax, small government, free market capitalists, are also conservative when I comes to community and culture. The latter they're way ahead of labour, who are happy to claim a trans woman is a woman, while also taking the knee for an issue that happened over the Atlantic. While also harbouring many who support open borders, and want Israel to put down their arms and ceasefire, despite the fact Hamas have said they will not put down theirs. These same people want people from Gaza to be given refugee status here despite the risk to the public due to A the ideology within Gaza, it's a very strict islamic nation, ruled by a terrorist group. The schools indoctrinate children as does state TV, so we can't trust the children either unfortunately, especially those between the age of 10-18. Nonetheless the same side that apparently supports community are happy to have them here, despite the clear and present danger to us. At this point we all have to stop the left v right standard idea and drawn lines. Left and right mean nothing anymore when the far left are all but in control, and the far right is starting to rise and gain traction in response. We need to set aside how we run our country, if your centre left or centre right or simply smack bang in the middle, we likely all want the same thing. We differ on how we get there. When it comes to the far left and the eventual far right that will start to be really known soon (you can't have one without the other was the same during ww2) we have to stand together, we have to defend the end point we want, ignoring that we differ on how to get there. Claiming Tories don't care about community doesn't help, just as it would be helpful to say all labour voters support open borders, it simply isn't true, a faction supports it, not the entire left. There are other options to vote for, yes it's harder to get smaller parties in but it's not impossible if people take the chance on someone new. There's the social democratic party, they're like old style labour, and reform who are like old style Tories. Both of which ideologies did more for this country than the nonsense we have now, where the difference between the Tories and Labour is only different when it comes to the issue of trans and immigration. On everything else they're basically the same, net zero there's no difference at all. When it came to COVID there was no difference at all. Taxes no difference at all. Crime no difference at all.

I'm a huge Doc Stock fan and the way she was treated by Sussex Uni was disgusting, especially as she held very moderate views and spoke in a very respectful way on this issue, she's probably the most moderate of all the gender critical feminists.

shes lesbian. shes the beginning of the lgbt+ nightmare acronym. I didn't listen to this leftist terrorism.

They seem to feel that way about detransitioners, too

Also because she’s a woman. Gender critical women & (actual) feminists are the most vilified in this fight. And probably the bravest ones considering they are threatened of rape, torture & crime on a daily basis (along with H. Joyce, Kelly-Jay Keen etc.)

Trans activists hate gay/lesbian people and trans ideology is the most homophobic thing we’ve had to deal with in decades.

At the start of all this madness I assumed that transgender women would automatically become feminists and automatically understand our point of view and act accordingly. How naive of me, they behave like men. If they understood us they wouldn’t demand to use toilets whilst teenage girls in particular are vulnerable. They would behave like us and want to be naturally protective. They are incapable of seeing our perspective and therefore undermine their own arguments of being women.

I hate that "gender identity" is considered more important than the physical and psychological safety of women. I don't know about you, but I don't know a single woman who hasn't been a victim of sexual harassment. We have all experienced it, some of us have had it only mildly, many of us have felt genuinely threatened by a man, and I know too many women who have been a victim of a sexual assault and/or domestic violence. And yet all of that is less important than the feelings of a few men who want to use our bathrooms because they "feel" like a woman.

@@loftyradish6972 Exactly. I agree with everything you have said. Even in nearly every article where a trans-identified male has assaulted a woman, there is no mention of the perp being male. The article just disingenuously reads "woman assaults woman". It's ludicrous.

I would observe there is nothing 'common' about her sense. It is as rare as it is clear

She is a very cever woman indeed.

Yeah, let's convince more than half the women to work low paid jobs instead of staying home and caring for her children and husband. Genius.

​​@markjones1337 More than half the women have well paying jobs.. Furthermore, she might have a low paying job today, but maybe not tomorrow. Things change, with education might become well paid

@wyleecoyotee4252 no they don't you clown. Its 8%, the rest are all fairly low paid jobs like nurses, teachers, shop workers

Considering the absolute s*** she has taken from odious trans "activists", in her book she comes across surprisingly compassionate towards trans people in general, while still holding firm to her own position.

It is a lie, and a fiction.

Well said.

Right on!!! 👍

Nah

"To understand Gender Studies, we must become Gender Studies!"

That was kind of the point of the speech in the first place. It is being made into a course. The first crop of students at U of Austin is matriculating as we speak.

These feminists have already destroyed everything will you stop this already BS

This is really Sand 😓

I mentioned trans-widows in my transgenderism video on my yt.

What do you expect? When Tranz people claim so much Minority Privilege, why expect them to ABUSE It

She's on the wrong side of history. When respecting trans people goes mainstream she'll be remembered as being the right's useful idiot.

@@SuperKripke There is no internal feeling that is exclusive to men or women (or boys/girls), what makes anyone a man or a woman is being either male or female and reaching adulthood. Their sex and stage of physical maturity makes them men or women, not some "feeling" they have. Believing there is some "essence" specific to males or female as far as feelings go, that can manifest "in the wrong body", is akin to a religious belief, having faith in something that is impossible to prove or disprove. The thing is though, that no one on the "trans" side can actually even explain what this "essence" is, they can't even explain it to themselves yet have convinced themselves that the feeling they have means they "are in the wrong body" - without realising that their discomfort simply stems from not realising that they view conforming to sexist stereotypes as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood. That is why every explanation given of WHY a male "can't be a man, but is instead woman" etc. relies upon listing stereotypical stuff, or, in some cases is completely abstract and refuses to actually provide any explanation of what they mean, simply stating they "know" that what they feel means what they say it does, even though they can't actually provide a definition of it. "It's hard to explain but I know I'm right" is an attitude one constantly comes up against - a religious faith in something they can't define. This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side. You lot want a term to reflect aspects of your personality as well, you want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have (you fail to see just how much you have in common with Conservatives). Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues. It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognised as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into. This "woman is a social construct" thing IS the part that validates and perpetuates sexist stereotypes - woman isn't a social construct in that sense, it is a word society has chosen yes, but to describe a PHYSICAL state of being, not anyone's emotional states or where they fall on some spectrum of masculinity or femininity. There is a fundamental misunderstanding here of what the definition of man and woman means. The notion that people need to live up to sexist stereotypes of what "real men" or "real women" are, is complete fantasy. The fact that many people act as if sexist stereotypes were valid ways of measuring "real men" or real women" is a problem with the individual and their sexist bias, not with the terms themselves, as the terms themselves have none of the expectational baggage that people who internalise sexist stereotypes associate with them. A woman, is an adult human female, it is not an "identity" or a feeling, dress, attitude etc., that whole line of thinking is regressive in the extreme. Claiming there is some "essence" to "womanhood" that also males can access, but the reality is that women do not have to look or act any certain way, or act out some ludicrously sexist idea of the “social role of a woman”, all females who reach adulthood are women regardless of how they feel or look, and the one thing they ALL have in common, the one experience they ALL share, is that they are FEMALE, they do not have to "identify" as anything, they physically ARE women because they are female.

I agree with Dr Stock's take on this, men can be a feminist ally but not a feminist, we need men to support girls and women and help change things.

"2nd wave Feminism" is what led to this idiotic nonsense.

Maybe gender ideology isn’t an aberation within liberalism so much as the inevitable end-game of all theories nestling under the ‘individualism’ umbrella. Perhaps all such theories must eventually founder against the rocks of our fundamental nature as social beings?

I agree. This is not liberalism and its not progressive. Identity politics and cancel culture are regressive. We are seeing the inevitable outcome of our floundering educational system. People on the ‘left’ are no longer aware of what being liberal means, just like people on the ‘right’ no longer have an understanding of conservatism. It’s just two tribes.

And Pharmaceutical corporations

I've been into Paglia since the 80s, before you existed if your photo is anything to go by.

Camilla,is not a feminist

@@wyleecoyotee4252 Yeah? Who the hell is then? The concept is so ambiguous as not to mean anything at all.

@@wyleecoyotee4252please clarify why you say that?

isnt camille pro-pedophilia

Butler wouldn't be able to hold her own against Stock, she's a social theorist and not based in reality at all

@datrenarakiel8202 🤣😑

Sad but true!

And conveniently stops data relating to sex being collected - criminal , legal, service providing, on a grand and totally non-inclusive way. Funny, - we said they would come for our titles, jobs, sports, trophies, and really scarily, our kids. Why? We all know why - abuse, exploitation and the rest. They've had our bodies and minds for ever - now we are non-men.😢

- "I currently haven't read much feminist theory." - "I always found it strange that any woman would say they're not a feminist." Well there's your issue. Basically most feminist ideology in practice leads to the belief that males are in some way inherently detrimental, limiting, and a threat to women. Feminism rejects the idea that women are "simply" equal in ultimate value, in the Biblical sense as the main example, and instead claims equal value in all aspects of life with males. The feminist attempt to try and equalize women overall with men overall in all categories has led to women being overprioritized and even over-represented in white coller and academic spaces, while they still obsess over non-existent institutional oppression. This due to overall average payments being different in many areas. These differentiations across society are, in fact, mostly caused by women choosing different career paths and chooses than men across life. This inturn breeds further resentment of men in general, conspiracies, and calls and desires for explicitly women dominated societies as ultimate justice and insurance against men who are seen as inherent threats to women by their "toxic" nature. Therfore toxic femininity can't and doesn't exist. Limits to women are actually only male society's doing, and males and male masculinity can only be viewed as inherently dangerous and something to be essentially castrated. Even in this speech in the video, she hints at the fact that the push for the complete ignoring of the differences, strengths, weaknesses, rolls, etc between men and women leads to an androgeny that comes background to destroy both men and women. Even just in the conceptualization of distinctions and recognition of what is a man or a woman or even to be human in living reality. Very brief summary, I didn't and won't get to everything here. Just because Feminists have retrospectively attempted to claim all of what it means to be a woman and how to view the world doesn't mean their justified or correct. Despite their suffocating dominance in society culture and institutions. More and more men AND women are attempting to Differentiate differentiate feminism from preferred femininity. Despite all its promises, Feminism results in the attempt to make women worse men. While femininity embraces the actual traits of what makes women unique from men and therefore vital to human flourishing and more true fulfillment.

I may be being cynical but I see this movement as a rather convenient way of not doing anything for the plight of women in developing countries. It’s far too coincidental that as soon as women made headway in laws and customs in the developed world that they suddenly shifted their focus to gender ideology.

@@jujutrini8412 Yes I agree with that. I am surprised that the ideology has seeped through so quickly by being embedded into policy and behavioural norms in the past decade or so (incl academia), that it almost seems to have gone unnoticed during that surge and now has come to the fore. You speak of headway into customs, do you mean in faith worshipping too? We know that faith-based approach is quickly being replaced by liberalist attitudes, promoting the surge.

It's almost as if words have meaning.

Do you think the overton window has shifted to the left or the right? I get the feeling you think it has went to the left, I generally believe it has shifted right. I think it may be more nuanced, when it comes to social issues like gay rights for example I believe you could say there has been a shift to the left. I'd include the misguided support of trans ideology in this. However when it comes to economic issues I think we've clearly moved considerably to the right given the way Labour or New Labour basically abandoned socialism and the vitriol poured on Labour under Corbyn when he wrestled brief control of the party from the right of it. The obsession with identity politics by the mainstream left has largely been I believe a waving of the white flag to more class conscious politics that actively tries to reduce inequality in the face of austerity politics and increasing inequality of wealth between the 1% and the rest. The rise in CEO pay ratio between them and the broader workforce.

@@Malky5279 Interesting observation regarding economic issues, and so I will offer something to consider. The Overton window has moved so far to the left economically that the centrist position of a mixed economy is seen as the "right". In the UK, the not inconsiderable taxes and inflation funded government borrowing supports a vast state apparatus of health and education along with pensions and welfare. A great deal of the infrastructure is also provided for from public funds. Then look at the burden put on private property, inheritance tax, fuel tax, road tax, capital gains tax and so on and then observe that anyone with any significant amount of money buggers off to another country to take advantage of their economic positioning, I think there is a great deal of circumstantial evidence to point to the fact that we are deep into left wing economic thinking. The fact that both the main parties, ostensibly left and right, apply broadly Keynesian economic approaches would be another point. As to abandoning socialism and class-conscious politics, I don't think that was a moral choice so much as a pragmatic one, with the bloating of the elite class (just look at how many people goto university these days), there just are not enough of us working class people left to achieve that kind of change. Full disclosure, I left the Labour Party when they got rid of Jeremy. And while I've never voted Tory (I witnessed what Thatcher did to the miners), I won't be voting for Labour now and probably never, since the party has been taken over by a bunch of university "educated" (brainwashed) globalists. So I'm one of those people who are ideologically split, socially conservative but economically centrist. I believe in the NHS, while at the same time, don't believe the NHS should be in the business of mutilating children. Crazy talk right? I call the university education "brainwashing", because, when you engage people who have gone through this system - they can tell you have everything should be, while at the same time possessing very little understanding of how anything works. That is the "danger" the working class present to the elites, we are the people who know how the sausage is made - while the elite class are probably more concerned if it is vegan or not... or what its carbon footprint is? Or any such other fictional neoliberal nonsense used to distract people from the real struggle.

Winston Marshall who also spoke.

There is one more major factor that makes it even more chaotic imo, it's intersectionality of race in feminism or rather it's corrupt application. In trying to be more inclusive we have sidelined ourselves. Ironically feminism has turned into too many cooks in the kitchen.