File a bug report whenever an F-15 is shot down

I just love that my 1960s Phantom has to fight 1980s planes now

"You should not be able to kill someone when you're flatspinning" Gaijin: "THERES A BEAST INSIDE YOU. IT WILL NOT DIE. IT WILL FIFHT BACK" *Destroyed tank comes back to life, ramming another tank to its death*

"The instructor saves you from flatspins" Me watching the instructor stop my su 27 from rolling and making to nose bob up and down like a dolphin at low speed causing me to slam into the ground

The F-15 has to be flown like a Flanker meanwhile, the Flanker is flown like an F-15, Gaijin knew exactly what they were doing with this patch, and it's sad to see because on DCS the F-15 vs Flanker is a fun fight on both sides, both having their strengths and weaknesses.

this totally deserves to be at the same br as the mig-29 smt btw

imagine all the people who ground out the 29SMT only to get a plane thats better in every regard added within 4 months

9:16 He is smashing his keyboard right now 😂

there are different laucnhing systems installed under the wings and under the fuselage, the 27ETs and 27Ts cannot be launched from the fuselage pylons because afaik they're work like a catapult, and the IR-seeker missiles couldn't be lauched like that, you can google for more info on it

Guys,is it me or AIM-7M's are getting notched very easily in this patch? I'm having a hard time getting frags with Sparrows.

6:30 that would have been a crazy reversal if your missile hit, I was holding my breath hoping to see the missile connect, what a shame it didn't. Love the work man keep it up!

tbh Im surprised nato still doesnt have improved variants of aim7. They dont fly any differently (starting aim7f they stopped changing the flight characteristics) but the seeker improvements giving datalink and inertial guidance for when lock breaks could still be useful, and it is already modeled ingame for other sarh's

Very satisfying video man, with all those crazy missile kills

if the r73 is complicated and hard to flare imagine the aim9x which is literally a camera guided missile with the same range as the r27et and 60g of pull

What amazes me about R73 is they can pull insane Gs and still barely lose any range, it doesn't matter how little drag you have, when the missile is thrust vectoring its whole side should be dragging, and i don't think it does

Anyone else experienced missles that turn... Then just stop mid air and hover or sit one spot and turn in circles?

Seeing that Lee uploaded yet another great video makes me so happy

Is that a Su-27 in the thumbnail? I can’t tell, please add more arrows.

Fun fact, at 35000 ft those R27ETs can hit a side aspect jet at 18km to 20km. And the ERs can hit someone 70km away.

My beloved flanker.

I agree. The pilot’s first thought would be “I gotta get out now!!”not “mmmm let me wait and see what comes along”

I can’t wait for a faster missile like the pl5b/pl8 with irccm.

R-27ET is super fun ,my personal record was rear aspect kill from 11km

how does it feel firing every missile and every one of those hits every time that is unflareable

HMD in fact does stop to function but once you're counted as "dead"

ets are the ultimate skill checking missile (when you fire from the deck)

Haven't won a single non-mixed game against russia this patch. Working as intended.

Can't wait for the Su-30

When you said the hmd should turn off, from experience with the F4S if you are given the j out prompt the hmd (for radar at least) is disabled.

About the hmd when in that state, the ussr gets to use their hmd when going down but USA doesn’t so it’s unfair especially when they have r73

Funny thing about this that we need to understand It sees the F-104S.ASA on the regular justice for 104s! put the Su-27, Gripen and F-15 at 13.0

R27ET is basically magic 2 with extend range if u use for rear aspect

9:03 I don’t know about the Su-27, but in the MiG-29 when you are severely damaged and in an uncontrollable fall to the ground your HMD does not work. Maybe they forgot to put that restriction on the Su-27.

9:18 that’s funny because the HMD doesn’t work on any other aircraft besides russian ones when you die, doesn’t work on the 16 or gripen once ur wing is gone

Is the flight model off for it? Just feels like it can’t pull or the nose want to go straight down

Time for AIM120A and AIM9X

The Flanker sucks when it comes to trying to turn, I really want it to actually allow you to turn on and off the flight controller, hopefully it gets that ability at some point.

9:20 that's what you get for trying to steal someone kill. Perfect.

Gaijin really pushing the soviet wonderweapon propaganda lately I wonder why...

Best missiles in the game and has 10 of them and Russian mains are still complaining 🙄

adding six 1990's missile on Su-27 while there is only 1985 MSIP upgrade F-15 without any AIM-120A(1991). Just Gaijin as usual. It almost makes me to miss 'Danger Zone' powercreep which was 'touchable' theoretically. Great.

AM I THE ONLY ONE SHOCKED AT HOW MANY ARROWS HE PUT IN THE THUMBNAIL????

5:21 What do all the different IR bands in the game mean?

In this video it's Su-27S but in my game client it's Su-27 without S. I know S = serial production but still wondering why?

Radar has been gimped hard af. The electro optical is trash compared to what it could really do. Everyone Flys low, so ers aren't all that useful. And it loses hard in a low speed rate fight against anything. R73 and hmd are only reason it's competitive.

doesnt really help that the russians didnt even have these missiles until the early 2000s since the ukrainians we're the ones R&D'ing and making them. first time a russian plane went into combat with these that's been confirmed was in 2015 syria

Also two times in this video my point about Players being booted once they are "killed" has been proven. Once you are out of the fight, you should be out of the fight. You shouldn't be able to sling missiles once your Jet is trashed. I'm glad you agree with me on that because I got SO much backlash when I brought it up myself. (Was destroyed in an F-14B and while falling to the ground in a burning wreck was able to fire an Aim-9L straight down which then curved straight up doing a complete 180 and killing the guy that killed me without him ever even knowing) The amount of times, even in props, that I've been taken out by someone who's name is dark and already appeared in the kill feed is way too many. I've only done it that one time, because I try not to be an arsehat and J out as soon as I'm too damaged to fly(or get killed but don't get booted) to avoid "enemy's" kill stealing from each other. Realistic Battles are supposed to be "realistic" and no Pilot is ever going to ride out a plane that can't fly anymore(let alone on fire) to get one more shot. They're gonna bail out immediately. I can imagine this sort of thing in Arcade but not RB/SB

I really don't like how much speed it bleeds when it turns. yeah it can help get behind someone, which is great in sim (and it is amazing in sim). But in air rb there's 15 more players on the enemy team with markers on your head and now you're slow with missiles coming at you. Personally, and i can't believe I'm saying this, I like the f15 more in air rb than the flanker this patch. Also Gripy go brrrr

How many missiles? Enough to put red arrows on the thumbnail.

how do you get the stats for the missles?

gaijin should have added the aim-7mh/p when they added the ERs last year. -_-

1 minute ago. Your timing is great. Waiting to load into a Rust server cause im already bored of WT. 💀

I just want data link for aim 7 like the 7P. Like the 27er is from the. 90s whereas the 7M is from 1977.

We really needed the AIm-120A Early its a 25 mile range missile 35G its just a mix of a Aim-7E-2/Aim-54A thats all the AIm-120A Early is the more higher you go the more further you can kill a target the Early version of the Aim-120A wasnt super good its better than the Aim-7M but it keeps right their with the R-27ER the ER does have a better range but the Aim-120A has that pitbull feature which is what makes it deadly not to mention the Aim-120's are known to be like a Dog fight missile a target can be 1.5km and it will turn and kill the target WE REALLY need the Aim-120A Early

I would only recommend properly playing the full real control with dedicated simulator keybimds to limit the chances of flat spinning. Or atleast just change it from that ugly big circle on your screen to just a empty screen that moves to reletive mouse controls

At 6:26 he started playing Ace Combat.

So the Aim-120 is op than this 10 missiles carrier ?

It might be a situation like apex predators, where they put these up a bit later because lets be honest 11.3s shoukd not see these

Currently... The F15 engines are missing 1/3 of their thrust. The radar is not modeled correctly, it acts like an F4 radar but should be the best in game by far. And they limited the at sea level top speed.... Plus, the R27ER has better flight characteristics than the AIM120, yeah I know the R27 has to keep lock but that's not hard to do.

Thank you for actually putting the HMD kills after death and in flatspins in a negative light. That stuff is so lame. You're basically forced into continuing a dogfight with a dead aircraft until they either hit the ground, get forced out or leave willingly. You're unable to extend and regain energy while potentially other enemies come in and try and kill you.

Now thats some Ace combat sh*t 6:13

Best loadout: 4 R-73, 4 R-27ER and 2 R-27ET

Gijian-Russian bias doesn’t exist! The Russian bias-8:50

It’s unbelievable that countries like Italy are supposed to fight these with f-104s

9:05 you already can't and they already did, the HMD is disabled when you're dead. In this case you're not, so you still have control over the HMD. You can already get shot down by a spinning plane if you cross its guns, this is just that but with missiles.

9:20 I think u should be given a chance to fire or a few but not longer then 15-20 seconds before getting kicked out

R27R(ER) cant re lock any targets if u broke the lock.. (IRL) uf u loose loock - missle goes stupid. also how the heck u firing ER missles without pointing ur radar to ur target?

You miss spelled Powercreep, Its actually spelt,RUSSIAN BAIS.

Should be 13.3

What does powercreep mean ?

For sim players, the meta has not shifted since the 9m dropped. Nato has full control of most matches just due to the "reduced smoke" *ahem* no smoke motors on them. 95% of nato players fly 5m above the ground with their radar turned off slinging them with HMS. As sim has a higher amount of 1v1 merges you end up feeling that speed bleed and lack of low speed control it supposed to have a lot more. You get maybe 2 turns and youre smoked. Jas, 15, and 16's walk all over it.

As long as they miss got me cracking XD The US can't keep a lock on a flanker to save his life xD The F15 doesn't get TWS, or HMD* doesn't keep locks, plus what you said about the unreliable 7Ms, I've found they're only unreliable against Grippens, 27s and Mig29s, if its US on US they always just track xD Surely there's something you can find in the code about this, even when they're higher altitude and I use SRC radar to avoid the notches it still loses the lock for no reason, something is not quite right. Plus Russia gets Mach 5.8-3.5 and US (F15) only have M2.5 and the (F14) Aim54C doesn't even go to M5.0 and is pulling way less Gs than what the public information states. All added up its a very significant power creep, sometimes you can even maintain a lock on a Flanker shoot 4 7Ms at various ranges lock never lost and still they don't connect or just fly in a completely different way out of nowhere EDIT: *

Maybe hmd should be restricted to were the pilot could actually see

I honestly find the mirage 4000 a much better plane. It can dogfight any jet in the game with ease, especially the nerfed grippen. It has 8 of the magic 2’s and over 110 large flares I think the buffed mig29SMT, is better than the su27. And yes i have both. I also have the f15j for reference, and amongst them all the mirage 4000 really stands out

Personally, I think Su-27S Flanker-B would be the best fighter aircraft 12.3 toptier at rank 8 for USSR/Russia tech tree if gaijin add R-77 on MiG-29SMT 9-19 and increase to 12.7 BR in 2024

>RU winrate already insanely high >Still adds most competent plane ever seen in gamemode to RU tree Gaijin aren't even being subtle anymore are they?

people asking why i am bringing missles to hit bases in my f16a with aim9l's as my maximum upgrade. I am not a contender in 12.0

I think when you lose more than 50% of your control surfaces, the plane should be dead.

*AMRAAM has entered the chat*

The f-14 is better than most people think because if it’s ability to carry so manny flare chad because of all the or missiles

tbh real life had powercreep too 😭

"strongest plane" lmao, its like one of the worst jets added in this update

The need of BR decompression is stabbing me in the face. Mig-29smt is 12.3, su-27 is 12.3 while being significantly better in literally every aspect imaginable...

A Russian plane in a Russian game being one of the most if not the most meta plane in game? Who would have thought that being possible???

When you are actually dead your HMD doesn't work, but you are still alive, sooo? I don't think HDM needs a change, skill issue on the F-15s part, he has a radar gun sight. "No sane pilot would sit in the aircraft while they're going down like this", who said I'm a sane pilot?

All Phantoms need to be at 10.7 F5E should be at 10.3 F4C should be 9.3 Due to No flares meaning all missiles are extremely dangerous I feel like all Top tier Countries besides Russia is suffering really BAD RN in my F4S 90% of the time I die before I get to a base and I fly low and watch behind me a LOT its more because my Radar is Bad Missiles are OK but the Speed of the F4 is TRASH the F15 needs Aim-120A Early we should only get 4 and it should only be for F15's F16's no A versions and Grippen should get Aim-120A Early only 2 and the Research cost for Aim-120A Early should be 100k and The Cost per Missile in SL should be 1.5k per missile 3k per missile for jets that can only get 2 for balance The SU-27 Is a Extreme Powercreeper and All these Russian Mains will say one word COPE and no we arent going to Cope because im not going to grind Su27 just to have Fun NO I would rather Just quite and play other games This update was Extremely bias towards the USSR tree

Russian missiles are the bane of my f*cking existence. They're so broken, it's almost offensive. They drop the F-15 with a garbage can for a radar (God forbid they give us Fox 3's) basically neutering it right out the gate, meanwhile Russian MiGs and Flankers can fight from goddamn Raptor ranges. It's frustrating as hell.

Its the best jet this patch but the F-15 is still gr8 in sim

This is why i gave up on WT. I like air RB but props are boring because i need to afk climb for 5 minutes only to end up in a 1 vs 4 because my team dived after the first thing they spotted low. Low to mid tier jets are unplayable due to power creep, its real fun flying a Me-262 against F-86 or be in a F-86 against planes that carry R-60s. Top tier is dominated by Russian missiles and a complete inability to use any tactics because of the brain dead "just fly low and you are untargetable by radars"

su27s?

so why does France mostly get 2 ir that's it..... like wtf

I don't see the reasoning for "not be able to kill someone when you're flatspinning" - why? If your plane can see theirs, and the missile gets a tone, why wouldn't it work? Also what you call a flatspin the russians might call a 'falling leaf'

Break a wing off so the Flanker can have a chance Lose an engine so the flanker can keep up Jettison my aamraams so the flankers survival rate goes up 0.1%

I am not having any problem destroying them with my F-15J (aam3: god)

Somehow they thought 80s su27 which was a direct counter to f15a and designed to be better than f15a would be a perfect match for f15a which was already obsolete since we have f16c xD Idk why they didn't added f15c with the same handicapping threatment as they did with f16c cutting it from it's main a/a armament and electronic warfare stuff. Top tier right now is western planes at 60% power vs soviet planes at 90% power... R77 is not that much of an improvment since we can shot r27er in tws xD

2:58 L in every possible language lmao

Wassup lee?

I have terrible RNG with the Su27.... i normaly try to play it like a 29SMT where i get up close and personal with 6 R73s and the terrible speed decrease while turning makes it easy to get up behind people.... but the Su27 at around mach 1 has really low speed decrease untill u get to around 800 hm/h where u lose heaps super fast like the SMT.... Su27 for me should be in the back, whenever i try going sky high there is always another bozo or two who loves me up there and we end up traiding kills (50/50 being AIM7M or R27ER).... Cant really get past 2 kills a game unless im really lucky and dont have a guy hugging me from the start of the battle where i lose everytime cuz everthing has a better air brake and better menouverabilty around 1000 km/h.... Great missiles although i dont have good luck with the Radar and can never seem to get any ET kills unless i shoot it from behind.... I used to get 4 kill games before i tired flying it as your supposed to for a flanker (high up and radar/IR slammer) now i barely get 1 kill a game.... Should go back to 6 R73s and yoloing like i do in the SMT cuz i just have better luck lobbing them off close range than i do with any of the other missiles.... FYI terrible RWR i cry whenever i die to a AIM54 or ER cuz i cannot see whats locking me or even at what range.... SMT still better that Su27 in my opinion and that comes from someone who grinded everything without GE.... Cool cockpit much better than the Migs, its basically a flying bus and note to self if your trying to flare a head on 2km+ 9M do no try to spin around since it will force you into a cobra or break your wings depending on what speeds.....

The aim 7 is a joke the jets u fire them off the radars not strong enough and once u do hold a lock all u do to dodge them is think about the grownd

Russian bias