Yup...same for VESC options. This isn't unique to jsut Nukular.

I make my own cables for that reason. I don't mind not having included harnesses. The important part is the connectors and pins. I would however double the number of included pins so that people have spares. I'm running 2 of the older ones. They are doing OK. This new design will have superior thermal characteristics and that will probably boost it's power a good bit.

JWPF connectors are from JST. Bafang sometimes would use them, along with other ebike manufacterers.@@de-bodgery

@@azureblues Thanks for the info!

Inhouse and not VESC. Same CPU, but that's it.

REally? This controller is using To-220 not TOLL? I know how to do that, but that's suprising. I guess that would explain why they say "plate method". Vasilly bragged I was so wrong. Not much to brag about IMHO.

I'll have to make a correction video...I had some things wrong in this video.

Wonder if it would beat the Ko Rush Spec controllers

I don't know what the "orange wire 24f" is. I've already done a tear down on the 24F. I'll get around to doing the P24F after a while. In the middle of moving...no time right now!

Torp is stolen VESC and it's locked down so you can't program anything. I did a teardown of the TC500. did you watch them? Before I bought a Torp, Id buy something that is legit (not stolen) VESC. What will happen after a while is court action will be taken against Torp and they will be fined heavily and forced to stop selling controllers. THere is a lot of legit VESC options out there and frankly that's the best thing to get.

I did watch your videos which is why I have changed my mind on torp. I love the aesthetics of the nucular p24f, but I was told that it is antiquated and I should go with something VESC instead. The main two players that are VESC that I had heard of are torp and ebmx. I honestly dislike the aesthetics of the x9000 so I figured the torp should be good enough. After watching your videos on it I have changed my mind. Is there that major of a difference between a VESC controller and something like a p24f? I love the aesthetics but I am also looking for the best overall experience. I am not super technologically proficient and idk how I would get a standard VESC controller to work for my surron while remaining user friendly. What are the main differences between VESC and non-VESC controllers? Are they noticeable differences as well, or would they only be noticeable under watchful eye?

@@selfdiscoveryandtranscendence P24f is a few changes over the P24. It's still TO-220 based, just they are laid flat on the heat sink instead of being screwed to heat spreaders. Heat transfer ought to be a little better, but power should be the same otherwise. It's effectively the P24 in a different shell. VESC isn't just one option. The Russian company Nukular is the only source for their controllers. VESC is a solution that is developed by many companies. As a result you have cheap stuff like Spintend and Flipsky or you have really good stuff like Tronic, SHUL, Trampa and Team Tri Force and some middle of the road stuff like MakerX or CYC. VESC is open source and anyone can develop their own controller for the platform. VESC sees rapid development from all over the world thanks to thousands of people developing for the platform. Other options such as Nukular, kelly, ASI, etc, has 1 or 2 people doing all the work. VESC has gone from 0 to dominating the controller market thanks to being open source and so widely developed faster than anything else. Everything from e-scooters to locomotives now run VESC!

So would you advise against the Nucular in favor of something VESC seeing that there will likely be program updates in the future? If equipping to a surron, what controller would you choose given what is available in this current market? How does a VESC controller interface with the rider? Through a phone app or through a website? Would you be able to make adjustments easily on the fly, or would you end to tune for some time before finding the sweet spot of what’s right? While Nucular is only for the surron/talaria, isn’t that advantageous for those vehicles, or is something with more broad capabilities better by default? I appreciate your help and I value your knowledge and expertise greatly. I really support what you do. The market for ev controllers is super difficult for beginners like me to navigate, and your takedown videos really educate a lot. You are providing great clarity to people like me and it is much appreciated

@@selfdiscoveryandtranscendence Nucular build quality is pretty good. Components used is pretty good...as good as say Tronic, Trampa or Tri Force. It even riuns the STM32F405 just like anything VESC does. I bet with some firmware tweaking to account for how Nukular uses the CPU pinout, that VESC would run on a Nuk. Hardware wise Nukular is pretty solid. It's a little dated, but not a bad design. Probably the single biggest hardware flaw is they have no current sensors on the phases. Nuk senses battery current and then calculates for phase current. Phase current sensors is the better method and that's what VESC does. *** I'm not sure what you are asking about VESC interfacing with the rider? You can use your phone or get a DavegaX LCD. EBMX sells a version of Eggrider that works with VESC. If that's what you mean? *** VESCtool runs on your phone and so you can do whatever tuning you need from there or via the Windows app on your laptop. Tuning on anything FOC is always a case of the wizard getting you close and then you tweak some to get it perfect. *** There is no such thing as a controller "for only surron". Put it on whatever you want. it's just a controller! Despite Torp insisting their controllers are "surron only", it's total BS! It's just a controller and that is all there is to it! *** I will always recommend VESC over everything else. It's the best platform with the most features, the most development and the most controller options by 10X over everything else!

No idea how it is pronounced by Russians. I say it how I say it. No sarcasm or whatever involved.

It's not about how Russians pronounce it. The name Nucular is a reference to how many Americans mispronounce "nuclear". The guy above is correct.@@de-bodgery

@@user-iw4ty3jx9m How do Americans mispronounce nuclear? Are you saying that nook-lear is incorrect?

@@user-iw4ty3jx9m Got it...never run across this other pronunciation except for President Carter and that was the 1970's!

@@de-bodgery New-clear is the correct way, however many people incorrectly say nook-you-ler (aka Nucular). It’s a pretty common mistake and I believe the owner chose it as a playful reference to that, as well as the high power small form factor of these controllers. This spelling also makes for a unique business name, which won’t be confused with real nuclear.

Like anything, early availability is always constrained!

OK...explain!

List what I have said wrong...I'm OK with getting details wrong and correcting. People correct me all the time for things I say in videos...so go for it!

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