Yeah, thats pretty amazing isn’t is?

Totally agree with you! His teachings are amazing and so easy to understand.

Matthew Oliver I agree with you on that but that is not what I meant

@@thecupoftruth3508 my apologies.

Matthew Oliver no apologies needed I will pray today all who are God created including Calvary Church, God bless you sir

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@djfg1938 Good Morning, my name is Pastor Antonio. Thank you for your question. As to why God was angry at David, in those times, a man only had the right to count or number what belonged to him. Israel did not belong to David; Israel belonged to God. In Exodus 30:12 God told Moses, “When you take a census of the Israelites to count them, each one must pay the LORD a ransom for his life at the time he is counted. Then no plague will come on them when you number them.” It was up to God to command a census, and if David counted he should only do it at God’s command, receiving a ransom to “atone” for the counting. This is why God was angry again with Israel and is also why David was “conscience-stricken” after he counted Israel. David knew it was wrong and begged God to take away the guilt of his sin (2 Samuel 24:10). Second Samuel 24:1 says, “Again the anger of the Lord burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, ‘Go and take a census of Israel and Judah.’” The parallel account of the incident surrounding the census, however, reveals it was Satan who incited David to take the census: “Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel” (1 Chronicles 21:1). This discrepancy is often explained by the understanding that, in order to achieve His purposes, sometimes God sovereignly permits Satan to act. God can use Satan in various ways, with the result being the refining, disciplining, and purification of disobedient believers (Luke 22:31-32; 1 Corinthians 5:1-5; 2 Corinthians 12:7-10). Such might have been the case with David. God allowed Satan to tempt him, and David sinned, revealing his pride, and God then dealt with David accordingly. There other considerations concerning the passages relating David’s sinful census. Here is 2 Samuel 24:1 in four translations: “Again the anger of the Lord burned against Israel, and he incited David against them . . .” (NIV). “Again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he incited David against them . . .” (ESV). “And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them . . .” (KJV). “Now again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and it incited David against them . . .” (NASB). Note that the New American Standard Bible says “it” (the anger of the Lord) is what caused David to take the census. The other translations say “he” (the Lord) did the inciting. The reason for the differences in translation is that, in the original language, there is no subject for the verb incited. The fact is we aren’t told who exactly moved David to take the census. To translate the verse literally, we would say, “There was who moved David against them” or “For one moved David against them.” The translations above have taken this to mean it was either God or His anger that caused David to take the census. But there are other options: - The unstated thing that moved David to conduct the census could have been David’s own evil imagination. - The “one” who moved David could be Satan, as 1 Chronicles 21:1 says. - The “adversary” (the meaning of the word Satan) mentioned in 1 Chronicles could be someone other than the devil; it could have been an unnamed counsellor to David who prompted him into a foolish (or sinful) action. God gave David a choice of three punishments for his sin-three years of famine, three months of fleeing before his enemies, or three days of plague. David chose the third, and the Lord then punished Israel with a plague that killed 70,000 men from Dan in the north to Beersheba in the south. As for why God punished the whole nation for the sin of the king, that is exactly the question David asks in 2 Samuel 24:17. Why, when he was the one who had sinned, did the people have to suffer? He even requested that God’s hand be against him and his family only, and that God would spare the people. But, as with the account of Job, God chose not to give a reason for His actions. Perhaps it was because of Israel’s multiplied sins and rebellion against God throughout the centuries. Perhaps it was a lesson to the people (and to us as well) that the people suffer when their leaders go astray. The reality is that God didn’t justify His actions with a reason, nor does He have to. Of the three choices presented to David, the first two would have involved some level of dependency upon the mercy of man: the warfare, of course, would be as severe as the enemy wanted it to be; the famine would require Israel to seek food from other nations, relying on the pity of their neighbors. Instead of relying on the mercy of any human, David chose to rely on the mercy of God-the pestilence was, after all, the most direct form of punishment from God, and in the plague they could only look to God for relief. The psalmist tells us, “As for God, His way is perfect” (Psalm 18:30). If God’s ways are “perfect,” then we can trust that whatever He does-and whatever He allows-is also perfect. Our responsibility to God is to obey Him, to trust Him, and to submit to His will, whether we understand it or not. As we see in 2 Samuel 24:16, God was grieved because of the things that were happening to His people, and He called off the punishment. Even in His rebuke God still shows His love and mercy. We pray that this answers your question. We pray that The Lord leads you into all truth through His Word. Very Respectfully, Pastor Antonio Aragón

Thank you so much. I am 80 years old, but looks like I still have much to learn. You answered my question completely.

Calvary Church with Skip Heitzig This is amazing. From reading your response, your reference to 1 Chronicles 21:1 “ when Satan rose up against Israel, wasn’t he going against God Almighty and not David?

@@CalvaryABQ Thanks.