DOUBLE DECEPTION How many takes did I go through? Trick montages also won't reveal this. I did one warm-up set to determine my gap. The shots done in the first half were done in a single take. The shots done at the end were done in a single take, but after one failed attempt in which 3 arrows went off the gold, and two off-centre shots at the end were also removed. Again, it's easy to make yourself look good with the right editing.

"And whatever bullseyes you're getting are flukes" Lol I've never felt more attacked.

The most credible archery source on the internet. Nice one.

I actually hate when I hit my own arrow, it's one less arrow that day, an arrow I have to replace. If I wanted to waste my ammo I'd be shooting guns lol

This is also why archers tend to remain unimpressed by trick shooters. It looks impressive to an outsider but to us we know how easy it is. This is why you'll see the "archery community" seem to slam certain performers because they DO deliberately mislead people into thinking that they have superhuman skills when realistically I can have a total novice hitting those shots in a couple of hours.

Well said!... I teach archery at a local High school and I have had students who become very frustrated after two or three classes (1 hr. class, two times a week,) because they feel as though they “Just can’t get it”. They watch a lot of KZfaq videos…. Or television and they see either the deliberate deception or don’t understand that “Camera Angle and Angular Perspective” can be very deceptive! Today's kids live in an “Instant World” … and if they don’t obtain accuracy immediately… they are convinced that there is something wrong with them… and often times want to give up! Thankfully… None of my students have given up… and have now achieved a “certain “level of proficiency! I will be showing them this KZfaq video in class this next week! Donnie

I'll be honest I know nothing about archery I just like hearing you talk

This hits home for me. My range has 20m, 30, 50, 60 and 70. Going from 20 to 30 was quite a drastic change. At 20m I can get a decent grouping by just adjusting the arrow tip. I was doing a million other things inconsistently, but never noticed. But at 30, I felt you need to be much more aware of draw length/anchoring, finger release, bow tension, trajectory. I even adjust for arrow weight and air resistances as I sometimes switch to shoot wooden flu-flu's.

Camera angle can't disguise arrow flight time. That's what I look for when trying to get an estimation of range. And if the archer walks to target to extract arrow, count steps. There are many who like to embellish the truth.

I've been shooting for a few months now and the distance is really what makes your arrows miss. At ten metres, all in the gold, no problem. But twenty or thirty metres? I just can't wait for my own bow to arrive. Shooting with matching arrows and revealing, step by step, the faults in my technique...it is already thrilling now. The emotional reward for hitting a good shot is priceless.

Lars Andersen is impressive. He shoots accurately and quickly while moving, both hands, several techniques, no anchor, no nock point, no arrow rest, arrow from the right side etc.

Thank you Nu! I have the hardest time explaining to people that it isn't hard, and I am not even very awesome. The place I live is SO dominated by compound archers though that people literally get scared off by not having a scope on a trad bow. This should really help.

Very helpful. Have been watching for a while and have learned so much

Excellent reality check for those of us who watch archers on film! Remember the old Hollywood shorts from the 30's and 40's. Lots of takes and retakes and tricks of the camera angle, no doubt...

A great video. One other Archer I enjoy following is Gary Chynne. He breaks down hitting the target in a very similar manner. He describes the gap method as well. The two of you, do a great job making it understandable for an old guy like me. I shoot rifles and pistols. In order to hit effectively, you have to understand the ballistics of what it is you are shooting. You can't simply put the "cross hair" on the center of you target and expect to hit the target. Thanks again Justin

Thank you for all the advice in these videos. I recently started back up instinctive shooting with my Great Grandpas old recurve. I wish there was some one in my area who could help and give me some pointers.

I could never afford a bow but I love watching your stuff and you're entertaining to watch.

Coming from a firearm target shooting background, I had a leg up on many of the other beginner archers in my class in understanding the need for consistency, POA, POI and the whatnot, so I started getting pretty tight groups at short range fairly quick and some saw this as being a greater feat that I would consider it. Not that it isn't fun to occasionally just drill the gold at short range, I generally go for a much smaller MOA at that range and, while my misses may be close to each other, I am aware that my small misses would be much larger at longer range. Now, it doesn't hurt that while I shoot a recurve there's a guy that's pinpoint accurate at that range with a hunting compound bow, so we both tend to shoot for multiple small bullseyes vs the single target like the rest of the class.

i just started yesterday, im practicing the gap method. been watching videos on forms, i hope my journey will be fruitful.

"At shorter distances, the arrow doesn't have time to deviate" Same principle applies in billiards. At shorter distances, the cue ball usually hits the object ball before it goes off line.

Ok so what bow would you choose the bear takedown or the black wolf (rcx-17). Love your videos btw they are really educational but at the same time very interesting.

I love the honesty on this 🖤

You're so right I was shooting a 1 inch wide stick in the center of my target easily but stepping back just 8 yards and moving it over was way harder.

Ok, so, I think that you have touched upon a subject that, in my opinion, is neglected by far too many of us (as in people in general), and that is "responsibility", which implies, that you perceive yourself accountable, at least to yourself, for what you teach. I realize, this may seem an odd post to people reading this. I just felt the need to do so. Keep up the good job

I learned this when starting out and having so much confidence at 10-15 yards in my backyard, then being humbled very fast at 30 yards. 20 yards is not twice as difficult as 10 yards, it is like 4x as difficult.

Hey mate been watching few of your vids good tips picking up a lot teaching myself obviously lol. Had a question have a cheapy recurve bow currently (no sight) my groupings are getting a lot better at 10 meters but I noticed in the video how you talk about aiming down lining your arrow tip lower which I was doing to start with but there is a place on my bow that steps out which I have been using to gauge my height which is working more consistently was wandering if it’s a bad habit to get into and I should focus more on the arrow head for height

What is the backstop made of? Your instructionals are spot on mate and thank you so very much for taking the time to teach. I know personally I have learned a ton from you already and am looking forward to getting my back healed enough to launch a few long slender pointy things toward a target.

I'm currently shooting at 40m, and yeah, small mistakes and everything would be a mess 😂😢

Great video and good information

I really like your videos, and, as a beginner, I'm learning a lot from you. I find it hard to understand how recurve archers shoot outdoors from seventy meters, and compound archers shoot from fifty meters (at a smaller target). I would have thought the more powerful compound bow would shoot at targets further away than the recurve archers. Keep up the great work. Trevor.

yeah, the camera that is filming on big sports even are using a long focal lenght lens with meaning, so the public can see the target better while seeing the archer att the same time. The same reason the moon looks so small on your phone (a smaller focal length/wide angle lens) , when you use like a 600-800mm lens the picture get so compressed (objects far away gets bigger in relative to objects closer to the camera).

I like the barebow you are using. May i know which model? Btw, great info as always.

I watched a couple matches shooting at 70 meters (76.55 yards) in Antalya (Turkey) with the best archers in the world (via YT). Open air. Coastal area. Changing wind force and direction frequently because of that. One archer shot 10s with a couple Xs, missed the clue from the flag indicating wind force and direction changing and shot an 8. As Sensei says, 70 meters is a big distance and the awareness only sinks in when the camera zooms out to the angle of view of an archer, looking out from where the archers have to shoot.

Couldn't help but notice that arrow "jump" in slow motion. I've had this problem often, even with feathers. Is that due to bad release?

Using the point of aim is a very good way to teach beginners starting out. If a new beginner is given a site it is not easy to do the form and focus on the site. Once the shooter has a good form, and achieving a good group using the point of aim/gap shooting - then introduce the site. When at a certain distance with point of aim and the pin for that designated distance match, then don't use the point of aim, use the site pin for that distance. If a shooter tries to set the pin without point of aim first, the shooter will be fiddling and diddling with the site pin each and every shot. As long as the arrows are the same weight and length a nice group can be had using the point of aim and then match the site pin. Then you can go for the 3 spot targets so the shooter won't Robin Hood an expensive arrow.

That is like a lot of people say I'm a great shot or whatnot, with my rifles; but I get first time shooters shooting the same targets as consistently in no time. The key is having the sights set properly for that distance, the technique isn't as critical as most think, for the type of shooting I do. Of course, those that flinch need a bit of extra help.

this is awesome

Could you make a comparison of your precision at this distance using a sight vs gap shooting vs instinctive?

Wow stand back badass!

What material do you use for your target backing Nu?

Yep, for many other KZfaq channels, when they offer a review of anything, what we get is just a review of their ego. For a beginner, is it better to start at short range until you make perfect grouping and then take the next step, or would it be better to start at medium range? Which method would make a beginner to improve faster?

A couple things: For some reason, as a new archer, I was pleased to see in this video that you didn't shoot your bow with it perfectly vertical. I don't know why I was pleased to see this, but I seem to shoot better when I tilt the bow to the right a fair amount. The other thing is, that with gap shooting, the eye basically is the rear sight, and the arrow tip is the front sight, if I'm not mistaken. Assuming that one's eye is not capable of moving outside one's head, then arrow length would have a very substantial effect on where the arrow strikes the target. Presumably, in gap shooting using the same aiming point, a longer arrow would cause the arrow to strike relatively lower on a target than a shorter arrow, and therefore it would be best to absolutely standardize on one arrow length, n'est-ce pas? Many thanks. Oh, and one more thing, and I've noticed this in Survival Lilly's vids, you can really see in your slow-mo shot how the arrow jumps off your shelf after release and actually flies for awhile tilted downwards. Maybe someone has done a careful vid on how arrows fly off the bowshelf immediately after release as a function of nocking point, etc. I'd like to see that.

Great Job!

Very good video !

I was shooting from 50m-ish today with a barebow, I had a 40cm hanging target cube and could only guess if I overshoot or undershoot from that distance. At that distance milimeters of string walking made the difference between hit or miss, but even misses were close groupings and it was much more fun than shooting from 20m or something

I have a question. Exercises like push up, chin up helps to build shoulder muscles. Do they help in archery for moving up in draw weight?

Thank You for Your Video.

What is the material you use for the target?

thanx sensei!

Spot on!

Nusensei merch? Nice shirt btw

What about catching the arrow from the yumi bow like Miyagi in The Next Karate Kid?

Can you please tell me about your target backboard? Might be a silly question. What exactly have you stacked up there? And lifetime? I'm currently shooting hay bales.

There was nothing basically proficient about that loose. 🤣

Longtime fan

I never shoot a bow but a Crossbow once and I always wondered why she is so much flipping out when she hits the close target 3 times in a row. Even with a crossbow I had problems when not even doubling the distance.

Even cheap bows placed in a mechanical machine will get shot for shot consistency better than most everybody who shoots archery.

All of the same points about close versus far apply to firearms as well, with different numbers.

Hi, what is the grey material used for the target?

Where does that target come from. Thanks

I was hoping in the latter half you would show how small an olympic target looks at 70m WITHOUT a misleading camera angle / close up shot - i.e taken with a lense with no zoom at eye level, looking the same as it would to the naked eye. Otherwise, nice video as always :)

What was the bow you used in this ?

When I see randomers that come to the club and look at me shoot and are excited by shoots that I consider terrible I realize how it looks from the outside, but it doesn't make me the best archer in the world unlike what they may thing at the time. The problem is the archers that think that "Well someone that doesn't understand anything about it said I'm good so I must be amazing!"

Hi have you done a video on your target setup , I'm about to start making my own and trying to get as many ideas as possible , is that cardboard or carpet Thanks

Using gap aiming I was getting most of my shots in his yellow ring at 10m my second day out. The problem you’re talking about though is distances look so so much farther on screen.

see this is why i shoot 20 to 40 meters on my youtube channel and no less with no sights on a long bow and horse bow (Except for trick shots). at least 20 plus because i agree with video, i was about to make a video on this, but u beat me to the punch, good job.

So whats the cost of a robin hood shot? (i.e how much does 1 arrow cost to replace?) I hear good carbon arrows are not cheap?

Which bow failed the test? Is there a video of that?

Totally agree ! If I did that when I was in practice I would hit my own arrows a great deal! at 29 each, so I shoot a target that has 5 bulls and put one in each. at 10 yards, It's not impressive! but it is fun, for a fundamental warm up!

What is your target backing made from? Robin Hooding is annoying, not impressive (to me). I've only done it once so far and it usually wrecks the bottom arrow.

Survival Lilly announces her distances.

As a traditional asiatic horse bow user, I just get excited when I can hit a target 60 meters away. My bow doesn't go much farther without high drawing haha!

A 30 meter group will be 3 times as big as a 10 meter group. I feel like nice solid numbers are useful, instead of vaguely saying longer distances will have bigger groups. The math here is that simple.

Every credible archer on youtube should say the distance they are shooting at

I shoot instinctive and can't even imagine shooting and hitting a target at 60 meters. Yes, that the camera does not show the distance very well. Much respect due to long distance shooters.

I want to buy/build a target like this one. Any advice??

What bow are you using in this video?

What is your target made of? And how can one make it?

Hmm my eyes...or youtube... may decieve me but it looks like all of your arrows are getting a kick to the nock by your shelf. Nocking point too low? Just my 2ct. :D

Offtopic question: at 5:53 the mans arm doesn't "throw back" at release. He just releases the string, and the arm doesn't move. Is this "wrong" or "bad"? I'm still pretty new to archery, and a couple of people have commented on my stringarm not going back. When I focus on that movement it feels like I tense up more (even though those people told me the pint of it is to relax in my arm), and my shots/groupings gets worse. My question is: is it bad form and I should do everything to change it, or is it one of those "if it works for you, then don't sweat it"-things?

Why do you use the largest possible target on that close distance? That group on a 40cm target wouldn’t look much of anything.

What is that crazy wall target?

Knock right looks like you need to add a little weight to the arrow tip

Woah, stand back... Bad ass! 🤣🤣🤣😂

No better source of real-world archery information on the Interwebsnet.

Wide angle lens (like in cel phone & action cams) EXPAND space. Things LOOKS farther

The sad thing is that some some of us we are stuck shooting short distances especially when the range is closed. (How big are most garages or backyards?) I often wonder if shooting at close distance at home is doing more harm than good in terms of learning to aim because it does not translate to real shooting at the range, but I keep at it because it at least keeps my back and shoulders used to pulling the bow.

And that's how you learn to shoot an apple of somebody's head 🤣

I really would love to watch u hunt lol

is it just me not knowing things, or does the arrow release looks bad, tail end going way up

Deceived like cutting out the gold of an 80cm target face to make it appear like a smaller target and more impressive grouping?

BUT IT STILL HITS THE SPOT

When you can knock a quarter off the top of the target at 30 yards with a traditional long bow or recurve every time let me know...I used to do it all the time as a kid when I was shooting almost every day

Nu-Sensei Hitting all arrow: "This is not even that good!" Meanwhile me, 2 hit out of 10 arrow (not even at the center of the target: "What can I say... I have natural talent" Increase my range time, I guess T_T

@nusensei I think a great follow up video would be to explain why KZfaqrs make the target seem far away. They are not being dishonest, they just don't have a dedicated photographer. Most KZfaqrs who are filming themselves keep the camera conveniently close to where they are standing. They use a wide angle lens that would also be suitable for arms-length vlogging on a camera that is perhaps one meter away. So, in this example the camera is 1 meter away from the archer and 11 meters away from the target, causing the target to take up a relatively small portion of the image. A torso sized target seems to take up 1/11th (~9%) the size of the KZfaqr's torso. Olympic events on the other hand have professional photography staff. The targets are 80 meters from the archers, the TV cameras are 30 meters behind the archers and the sports photographers are even further behind them. This means that the sports photographer's camera might be 50 meters away from the archer and 130 meters from the target. In this example a torso sized target takes up 50/130th (~38%) of the size of the Olympian. images.nbcolympics.com/www.nbcolympics.com/field_image/04March2016/160222_history.jpg For a video that explains how photographers use these effects see kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lbqEi7xiuMuUlZs.html

You didn't explain why you aim low. Is it recoil, arrow angle on the bow, the type of arrow rest, the bow draw weight?

Tried archery yesterday for an hour hit half of em in the bulls. I feels that pros would hit like 15m with good grouping at ease. So those clips that hitting lotta bulls at 10m don't feel impressive at all. I mean I've never touch a bow in my life and like nearly half landed in that circle. I also think that 10m is just right for the circle(like increase the distance and the circle will be (super) smaller and harder to aim). I dont think that I can even hit the 6 ring if its 20m but it's a fun sport gonna watch more vids and learn about it some more.

YOur release is in two stages....

Agreed.

Good video, agree, if people want to impress at 10 meters, do it fast shooting against a moving target, especially hunters, if you cant hit a tennis ball at 10 meters, please practice more before you start throwing arrows at animals.