Nutation, torque free precession; an intuitive explanation

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Iacopo Simonelli

Iacopo Simonelli

3 жыл бұрын

This is my explanation of the logicality of the motion of nutation/torque free precession in symmetrical rigid bodies spinning about the symmetry axis.
It is mainly a visual analysis, almost without algebra.
A few further readings:
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How to measure/calculate moment of inertia and energy in a spinning top:
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@iacoposimonelli7191
@iacoposimonelli7191 3 жыл бұрын
I started working at this video four years ago, now the video is ready and today I uploaded it. Today is a special day for me.
@rohinbardhan222
@rohinbardhan222 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video sir, we hope to see more videos like these on other physics topics in the future. I think this will be GREAT channel in that regard. Thanks very much !!
@iacoposimonelli7191
@iacoposimonelli7191 2 жыл бұрын
@@rohinbardhan222 , thank you. I like physics so probably I will make other videos like this in the future, but videos like this take much time to be made, and I don't have much free time, so certainly they will be not many...
@kadira418
@kadira418 Жыл бұрын
I am physicist but no one can explain such an intuative way, this is the best explanation, thank you for your beautiful contribution
@iacoposimonelli7191
@iacoposimonelli7191 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, your words mean a lot to me, coming from a physicist.
@iacoposimonelli7191
@iacoposimonelli7191 3 жыл бұрын
I decided to make this video soon after having made the video where I explain precession. I didn't have any problems understanding the basics of precession, so I thought that this new video would have been an easy and fast project because apparently the nutation is a very simple motion. But I was wrong. I read a few papers about nutation but I didn't find an intuitive explanation of it, which is what I was looking for. So I built some disks and cylinders, I filmed them in slow motion while nutating in mid air, and I started to study their movements. I wrote down everything in my notebooks. For about three months I spent many hours thinking, trying to figure out the logicality of the motion. Some reasonings I made were intricate, sometimes contradictory, or silly. I built my theory for the largest part in that period, but this was still too raw at that time, and, above all, there were still some contradictions. Basically, I was not really understanding how nutation works. Frustrated, I gave up, and I didn't make the video. A few months ago someone asked me something about nutation, so I found myself starting to think again about these things. I realized that there was a stupid error in one of the reasonings I made in the past, which was essentially what blocked me. I corrected and cleaned the theory, and in the end I felt that now it works well. At that point it was worth to make a video about it. Even if the most challenging part was to build the theory, the video too has been time and energy demanding. This is my longest video at present, (45 minutes). I am not sure if this is a novel theory, (I didn't find anywhere else something similar), so I felt the need to explain some basic concepts in detail, and this made the video long. I learned how to use Blender, specifically for to make the animations of this video, because I thought that some concepts in this video really need an animation for to be explained with sufficient clarity.
@jayrashamiya2810
@jayrashamiya2810 14 күн бұрын
I am only half way through the video and felt compelled to pause for a minute to congratulate you on this excellent video. It has inspired me to think of rotational dynamics in a new way and break free from the pattern of analyzing the problems mechanically. Thank you very much for your contribution.
@iacoposimonelli7191
@iacoposimonelli7191 14 күн бұрын
You are welcome, glad it inspired you.
@mikhaildomanov345
@mikhaildomanov345 6 ай бұрын
This is a great video, Iacopo! It covers practically all cases that I need. Your terminology and line of reasoning, I guess, is different from college books on Classical mechanics but I expect to digest it. Special thanks for filming the actual gyroscope. I don't have it at hand and can't play with it, so the video is extremely helpful. College books underscore that angular momentum is a vector, so all reasoning goes around it. That is, in all cases of rotation books show this vector and analyze how it changes. This vector is not specifically marked here but I will take it as an exercise. Angular momentum is hard to visualize and in my opinion there is no intuition as to where it is directed and how it changes for complicated rotations. People only see and perceive spins, which is a problem. Again, this video is a huge gift and I am happy to find it. Grazie
@iacoposimonelli7191
@iacoposimonelli7191 6 ай бұрын
Thank you, Mikhail. My terminology is different from that you can find in books essentially because I didn't study physics and I don't know that kind of terminology well. In the video I use the term "nutation" in the physical sense, (torque free wobble), and not in the kinematical sense, (secondary wobble disturbing the main one). I use the term "nutation" for to tell the "torque free precession" too, (for to make evident that the two movements are the same). I have some good intuition for physics, I found the reason that nutation happens in that way, and I really wanted to share it because at my knowledge there aren't any other intuitive explanations about it. I don't use vectors because I find them confusing, I prefer to use the arrows pointing directly in the real direction of the forces and movements, it is more intuitive and it makes the reasoning faster and easier.
@TaoSpin
@TaoSpin 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful animations, beautiful experiments, beautiful explanations and beautiful thinking. Thank you very much for this wonderful gift!
@iacoposimonelli7191
@iacoposimonelli7191 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Jorge !
@miiserli
@miiserli Жыл бұрын
The best intuitive explanation of rotational dynamics that I’ve seen. An understanding of this has eluded me until now.
@iacoposimonelli7191
@iacoposimonelli7191 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. When I started to understand how nutation works, I really wanted to make this video, and share my thoughts, because at my knowledge there were no other intuitive explanations about nutation. I found various intuitive explanations about precession, but no one about nutation, which is more complex. My explanation is not complete; particularly, I could observe that the nutation speed/spin speed ratio decreases at the increasing of the nutation angle, but I don't understand yet why this happens, if not very vaguely.
@gaurangagrawal6251
@gaurangagrawal6251 3 жыл бұрын
why the hell is this video so underrated. I was searching for something exactly like this. Thank you!
@iacoposimonelli7191
@iacoposimonelli7191 3 жыл бұрын
You are welcome, Gaurang agrawal.
@thomasmaier7053
@thomasmaier7053 Ай бұрын
Thank you, really appreciate the insight. Might have been better as a website though as I found myself pausing the video a lot to read.
@soumyadeepsarma6686
@soumyadeepsarma6686 2 жыл бұрын
One of the most beautiful explanations I have seen regarding this topic. Wonderfully made!!
@iacoposimonelli7191
@iacoposimonelli7191 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Soumyadeep.
@aghilesk
@aghilesk 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this work!
@iacoposimonelli7191
@iacoposimonelli7191 3 жыл бұрын
You are welcome, Aghiles.
@rohinbardhan222
@rohinbardhan222 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video sir! I have been reading about gyroscopes under gravitational torques for quite a while from various textbooks, and I have a few questions to which I can't seem to find a good answer anywhere: 1. First of all, all textbooks, while deriving the two roots of the precession frequency at constant theta (i.e. no nutation), assume that the gravitational torque is very small compared to the spin angular momentum of the gyroscope. Why is this assumption true? What if gravity was comparable to the angular momentum? 2. Why is the general motion of a gyroscope a combination of nutation and precession? 3. Why does gyroscopic effect cease to occur if the spin frequency decreases below a certain value? The textbooks explain it by saying that the roots of the precession frequency quadratic equation are no longer real in that case, but what happens physically when the precession frequency dips below a certain frequency? Thanks and cheers from India!
@iacoposimonelli7191
@iacoposimonelli7191 Жыл бұрын
Hi, Rohin. I try to answer. I made a quick drawing for the following explanation, which you can see at the following link: imgur.com/Xb81WDV - Drawing 1: imagine a spinning top made with a cross and four balls attached to their ends, and a tip. Imagine that there is not gravity, and that the top is spinning, clockwise; without gravity, the rotation axis will not tilt by the time, but will stay with a stable and fixed orientation. Let's observe the trajectory of the yellow ball: since the rotation axis is not tilting, as the top spins, at some point the yellow ball will reach the position where now there is the green ball. - Drawing 2: what does it happen if we add gravity ? Gravity will want to make the top to topple down. More precisely, pivoting on the tip, the yellow and the orange balls are pulled in direction of the red arrows. The two directions are not the same, the yellow ball has a component of the force which is directed downwards, the orange ball instead has a component of the force that is directed upwards. I hope this is not confusing, there are forces with two opposite directions. - Drawing 3: This is how gravity modifies the movement of the top: the yellow ball, A, will start to fall, while the top spins. So, the yellow ball cannot go from position A to position B, as if there wasn't gravity, but it will go to a position lower than B. It will go to position C. But, as the top continues to spin, the yellow ball, which now is in position C, will not continue to fall, because, while travelling from position C to position D, will be pushed UPWARDS, not downwards anymore ! So, each ball, as the top spins, is subjected to a rapid sequence of alternate accelerations in two opposite directions, upwards and downwards, which prevent the top from toppling down. This is a very simplified and very poor explanation... and it would be more correct to consider the two red arrows in the drawing 3 parallel to the rotation axis of the top and not to the direction of the force of gravity... so "upwards" and "downwards" are not the most correct terms... (too lazy to make the drawing again, but the concept should be clear enough...) In the drawing 3, because of gravity the position C is lower than the position B. How much lower ? This depends on the spin speed, because, the lower the spin speed, the longer the traveling time from A to C, where the ball is subjected to a force in downwards direction, so the duration of the fall is longer, and the position C will be lower. If the spin speed is very low, the position C can become so low that the top will topple down, with the balls hitting the floor. In the case of the gyroscope, the trajectory can become so much distorted that the gyroscopic effect becomes disrupted. This also depends on the gravitational torque. At parity of the spin speed, the same top, with a greater torque, will increase the speed of the fall. So, a greater torque, like a lower spin speed, has the same effect to increase the distance between the positions B and C. About your question #2: I am not sure what to say: nutation and precession are two completely different kinds of motion, having different causes, and are independent one from the other. A gyroscope can precess without nutation, (pure precession), or nutate without precessing, (pure nutation), or do both the movements at the same time. In the real world, it is difficult to start a gyroscope without having at least a bit of nutation at the start, and if there is an applied torque, it is normal to have both precession and nutation, at the start.
@rohinbardhan222
@rohinbardhan222 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your reply; this definitely cleared things a bit.
@albertrosich2408
@albertrosich2408 3 жыл бұрын
thank you very much for this video!, very good presentation!. You are truly an incredible artist and a perfectionist. Your videos are so beautiful and relaxing. And your tops are beautiful works of art. I would love to own one of your tops. Do you sell them?
@iacoposimonelli7191
@iacoposimonelli7191 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words, Albert. I could make a top for you, but due to the many requests and to my low production the waiting time is very long, maybe three years at present. My tops are largely hand crafted, it takes me 50-150 hours to make just one set, then I make them during my free time, because my real job for earning a living is making moulds of statues, for these reasons my production is low. If you are anyway interested, you can contact me in the ITopSpin forum, the most important forum about spinning tops, (you will have to subscribe to contact me there), or on Instagram, (simonellispinningtops).
@scienceies.vaibhav
@scienceies.vaibhav Жыл бұрын
brother please remove background sound, its like an tripe track
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