It's heavily implied that Alexander the Great was, in fact, the Emperor.

Yes but if i remember rightly our moon is actually one of the largest look at the lesser moons of Saturn and Jupiter they're little more than large asteriod been held hostage!

I would say the average would be about 1000km in size, give or take between 800 and 1200km. If you consider a moon being something that is not a captured asteroid and has accumulated it's own mass over time.

It's bigger than a Blackstone fortress in the games and they are also pretty damn big, let's say about half the size of the continental united states.

​@@DeathBYDesign666Yeah, in the 2nd Gathering Storm book, it describes a Blackstone Fortress as having an internal chamber that was over 100 miles in diameter, meaning that the top pyramid of the thing alone was at least somewhat larger than that. And considering that the Phalanx managed to cripple a Blackstone Fortress with just a fraction of its main weapons (due to being invaded by a shitload of daemons) during the Fall of Cadia, it makes sense that it would be of comparable size to have the weaponry and power generation abilities required to accomplish such a feat. It's also stated that the Phalanx has entire isolated climates with unique forms of life existing within its hangar bays, as well as the Imperial Fists symbol at the top spire if the structure alone being described as "larger than most Imperial spacecraft". If you assume that this is anything smaller than grand cruisers or battleships (say an average 5km cruiser), it puts things into perspective real fast. Someone on Reddit did the math and measured the symbol to be about 67.7 times smaller than the Phalanx model as seen in BFGA 2, which gives us a figure of 338.5 km in size if we use a cruiser figure for the symbol. If we use an average battleship figure (roundabout 8km) we get a figure of 541.6 km in size, which I think makes sense as a smaller reasonable range for the "small-moon-sized" description, since 500km across is the minimum size that a celestial object needs to be in order to naturally form into a sphere. I just found it to be a nice parallel. However, of you want to go even further beyond, if we assume the symbol is the size of the higher-end of battleships (plus Crusade and Heresy era ships were generally larger and more advanced) at about 12 km, then you would get a figure of 812.4 km. And, for a little bit of wish fulfillment, if we put a figure of 20km for the symbol (the average size of a standard Gloriana), we would get a figure of 1354 kilometers in size.

@@fadelsukoco3092 I was a little green behind the gills just a few months ago but I have been watching people play the games and aside from some anachronistic battles I believe I have learned more from them than even these types of videos. From what I have gathered the skullgirm mod is more canon than not.

I think maybe the vagueness and lore errors are the general idea. The Heresy was 10,000 years before the current time period. What do we know about life on earth in 8000 BCE? It was probably cold and there was not Internet. Possibly the only way you’d know that there even were Glorianas back in the heresy is because some survive, an actual artifact, but how it came to survive is probably lost to the sands of time and it might not even have its original name. Warships in the 20th century sometimes had 2 or 3 names when they were sold from Navy to navy, The Imperial data from those times is basically so fragmentary as to be in the realms of digital archaeology. Image trying to read a pen drive containing the details of WW2 in 10,000 years time!

This is true. Glorianas were simply the biggest battleship class of their time, hence they were often used as capital ships.

​​@@wewuzkangz2505 thought that was the abyssal class, and tbh, surely ark mechanicus ships count as battleships, remember when the esperanza just deleted an aeldari craftworld??

@@TS-jm7jm abyssal class was introduced during the Horus Heresy. Ark Mechanicus aren't really treated as battleships.

@@wewuzkangz2505 yes they werent treated as battleships true, but, at least by imperial standards, they are basically battleships, absurdly powerful ones too, the impeium just didnt realise it.

That would be considered heresy, the mechanicum is not allowed to invent New technology or deviate from known templates, they consider it blasphemy

@@Batman_the_bad_man They wouldn't be doing either though. It's an existing weapon already being used on ships so I don't see how it even qualifies as tech heresy.

@Oliver-qz4kf that's a good question, but it is important to look at how the mechanicus works and how it sees technology. Because the tech-priests actually don't understand how tech works (it sounds strange, I know). How they actually build stuff is by following a highly ritualised process which includes all the necessary steps to build a machine and a lot of little rituals that they believe to be as important as the actual process of build their ships and weapons and other things. So even if they were to dismantle a weapon, they could not recreate it because from their perspective, the knowledge of how to build/assemble this weapon has been lost. It shows in what state of regression the empire is in, it's like the Greeks sitting next to stone structures and using them after the bronze age collapse, but having lost the knowledge of how to build with stone. The empire has a lot more advanced tech than they have understanding of. It's really quite tragic.

Moreover it is heretical to the cult mechanicus to "dissect" technology, since that would harm (or simply be rude to) the machine spirit

@@Batman_the_bad_man I get you now. So they believe the "ritual" of how to assemble a lot of machinery has been lost. Makes much more sense now.

Indeed also the windows etc would be as big as whole cities

Exactly the ships at the bottom of the list are the same as the ones at the top they just expect us to believe that they make them the exact same just 100x bigger?

I know right!?! It must have had the most shiniest of goldness tho. So thats ok ..

The thing is that even DAoT had weapons that would not be able to be put into Stellaris because of game-play mechanics. For example, a DAoT energy core was collapsing all of reality into itself and if it imploded then all of existence would come to an end. Yeah, I don't even know how you would code that into stellaris, if at all.

@@wewuzkangz2505 What is this thing that you speak of? I never heard about this "engery core" nor the circumstances and conditions surrounding it. Not even when I did search up Dark Age Technology lore indepthly did I hear anything about this. So I don't know what it is nor the context surrounding it's development if it is indeed a real concept and constructed tool or it's utilization and purposes and actual feats. Stellaris does have something similar in function to that already called the Aetherophasic Engine which the consequences are the destruction of the entire galaxy to ascend into the Shroud. In Gigastructures factions become even more powerful from Birch worlds, qaesar weapons, reviving star systems and other insane things.

@@thorshammer7883 Speranza's reactor was some technobable invention that if not used correctly could end all of reality, it's not comparable to Aetherophasic Engine at all. Aetherophasic Engine is a device that breaches into the shroud at the expense of a single galaxy, Speranza's reactor going bonkers is like ending all of existence at all points in time simultaneously. The closest thing in Stellaris would literally be turning off your game.

@@wewuzkangz2505 And where in lore does this Speranza's Reactor appear in? Is it still in operations? Why was it created? What are it's functions and capabilities? What is it's current status? And who controls it at the moment? Is there any indepth passages supporting the claims of it indeed having the full capability of destroying everything in the universe?

@@thorshammer7883 Speranza's reactor is part of an ark mechanicus ship known as Speranza, it appears in a book trilogy starting with Priests of Mars (novel). Speranza I believe is still operational, although its current status is likely unknown. It was created during the dark age of technology, and honestly likely for shits and giggles just as much as for utilitarian purposes. The humanity from that period was for lack of a better word fucking crazy and was inventing some really dark and dangerous shit. The funny thing is that the ship isn't being controlled by anyone, it's likely simply follows directions because of boredom, its machine spirit is quite frankly some galaxy-brain singularity ai that looks at modern 40k humans like they are insects and only helps them so they fuck off and stop bothering it. Yeah, but it would require me to actually search for it, which I honestly don't wanna do. I recommend reading the series anyway, it's a great trilogy and it features some of the best high sci-fi weapons and tolls in all of 40k.

I think an Abyss class battleship would dwarf a Glorianna but not to the point that they dwarf the Phalanx The Phalanx is gigantic, its a planetoid more than a station at this point, mobile at that

@@KalashVodka175 I would too but iirc that's literally how they're described. There are two reasons for this I can see, the first being that the Abyss is smaller but a dedicated warship, while the Phalanx, despite being bigger is also a station filled with command structure, carrier capabilities, a whole Astartes chapter monastery and everything else that wouldn't be as helpful in a one-on-one battle. The second and most likely is just that the authors didn't really know what they were talking about at this early stage in the lore writing.

The Macragge's Honour is described as being 26 km long in any mention I can find, and the Invincible Reason being the largest is from more recent Dark Angels lore, with it being described as the very first Gloriana built and stuffed full of archaeotech by the Emperor since he trusted the Dark Angels to handke thst shit. It is also described as having an uninterrupted internal grand processional hall that is 28 km in length alone, so the ship would be moderately longer than that. There is also a mention in one of the early books by Nathaniel Garro that the Vengeful Spirit had main lance cannons twice the size of Mortarion-s flagship, the Endurance. For context, these cannons are the long needle-like weapons stretching most of the broadside hull of the Pre-heresy Vengeful Spirit in that one image of it surrounded by a circle of smaller ships (it's unmistakable if you just look up "40K Vengeful Spirit"). And that's before the Heresy, by the end of it the ship had been refitted to have a giant additional prow section and rear engine cowling, making it even bigger. Also, in regards to the size of the Iron Blood, it's size is also inconsistent. In Angel Exterminatus, it is described as just being 15 km in length and the smallest of the Glorianas because Perturabo thought it was kind of stupid to put so much resources into such massive singular ships and wanted to be more utilitarian, while the Forge World numbered HH books, it is described as 20km long with the familiar visual of it compared to ships like the Tribune and Contrador.

@@fadelsukoco3092 Yes, that is kind of what I was getting at, the sizes are inconsistent (trying very hard not to make size jokes here) as with most of the lore, especially from such an early point in the franchise. That's why I think it would be nice to have a source or mention in the video something to the effect of "In source A this ship is described as being X size, though it's different in source B, just for clarity" or even better just not mention individual ships at all and just classify the Gloriana class as a single entry. Not to mention certain things, like that just the lance cannons of a ship would be twice the size of another entire ship of the same class are to be honest, a little bit silly of the authors. I am sure you a correct, I don't have my Horus Heresy novels close for reference (only Eisenhorn and he's rudely not helpful in this matter) and don't have the previous Forgeworld books at all, so I am double checking Lexicanum. Unless it's mentioned even earlier, the size of MH is quoted as 26 km in Know No Fear (Great entry btw) which came out in 2012 and then the description that Iron Blood and the others were the biggest is mentioned in The Wolf King, which came out in 2016. So which is "correct"? Because it is so inconsistent, which I do think is stupid to begin with, I feel like it's up to the individual reader to draw their own conclusions of who to trust the most. Not saying these are the objective truth but just for reference these are the pages I was referencing/referring to: wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Iron_Blood wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Macragge%27s_Honour

An orbital ring

What, Mars can move?

Wait where is this mentioned?

not imperial, it was built by the dark mechanicum for the word bearer during the Horus Heresy

If I recall correctly the Raptorus Rex is a Ramilies class star fort

Well, a moon and a Terran continent are roughly equivalent in diameter, so...

​@@muzanjackson8827 It depends much on the full meaning and dimensions of both terms for the mass and total volume of such things.

The ark mechenikus would win. It fires black holes as side arms. Furthermore it has a cronus weapon that destroys targets by shifting the the past deathstar from milisecends ago to the place of the current deathstar. Practicly it deleats you from existince.