yep the speranza could go off and start it own colony at this rate

Super destructor 19km Supremasy 60km Basestarkiller 650km Siths gana.

​@@RobertoGonzalez-vn5jd By that logic an average forgeworld is a star destroyer.

@@RobertoGonzalez-vn5jdthe first two are SUPER star destroyers, not the normal ones and the third is a planet. You should learn to read

​@@TheOneWhoSometimesSaysOktu logica esta mal.

​@@Randomalpharius- son naves y estaciones que se mueven por la galaxia . Aademas ese mundo tambien se mueve por el hiper espacio.

The models and the majority of art depict starships wrong because they are based on BattleFleet Gothic tabletop game in which ship models had huge cannons so you can paint them. In the lore macrocannons fire projectiles the size of super heavy tanks or small buildings and there are hundreds of such cannons on the board of the ship grouped in batteries.

yes. Humanity made them. therefore, bigger gun = better gun

The burj Khalifa is just another spire on a millions of cathedrals in the universe of warhammer 40k. Every ship has a cathedral on it but the macro cannons are even bigger. Their purpose is to level cities, continents and planets, depending on the mission.

For the Speranza, the book it was in specifically states that it was "continent-sized" and that it has the industrial capacity of an average Forge world on its own. It was also so large that when it took off from the Forge world it was embedded in, said world broke apart. Taking these descriptions at face value since there is no evidence that counteracts it in the source material, this would mean that the Speranza is at the very least, as large as Australia.

The Imperator Somnium carried 10(!) Nova Cannons, same as the Speranza. So I guess the IS is either as big or close to the Speranza. The Phalanx is essentially a mobile Star Fort, but it's not continent sized.

@@glennjanot8128 Nova cannons are hardly a consistent size standard, as the Dominator class (a standard imperial cruiser around 5 km in length sans cannon) is armed with one

@@fadelsukoco3092 Yes, with ONE. And the reason that no ship below a cruiser of that size can have one is how big and powerful it is, the barrel is the length of all but the largest vessels.. And it's located right at the front, because the entire ship's mass has to catch the recoil. Now imagine ten on a single ship. They can only be in towers, so you can imagine how freakishly big those ships must be that their mass can take the recoil of a tower-based weapon without rolling

@@glennjanot8128 What source states that Nova cannons run almost the entire length of the ships they're attached to?!? They aren't MACs from Halo or Mass Effect dreadnought cannons, in any official image you see of a Nova cannon it's an underslung attachment to the prow, barely being twice the length of said prow. As for the recoil, yes, most Nova cannons do require the thrust of an entire cruiser or battleship to counteract the recoil, but the Somnium is stated to be full of atchaeotech that allows it to run with a startling degree of automation and do things Imperial ships have no right being able to do. Whose to say that some of that archaeotech didn't include enhanced inertial dampeners on the Nova cannons to mostly mitigate their recoil, or maybe some grav generators on the back that produce a counterforce for every time the cannons fire, like how PD guns in the Expanse show have thrusters on their rears to counteract recoil. It's more likely that the full size of the Nova cannons would be similar to those of something like a Gloriana, so likely 2-3 km long each, and maybe they are put on articulated turreted mounts across the hull for optimal coverage.

I haven't read that story. I guess it was found laying of a forgotten lifeless planet?

It is understandable as during Dark Age of Technology entire civilizations were wiped out. It is not hard to imagine that civilization fell and ship de-orbited. Then it laid buried in soft layer of soil and sand until someone decided to dig that odd looking pile of sand.

I love how when it was found it was a choice between unearthing it or using the planet as a forge world

@@REgamesplayer I mean it's still understandable to mistake something like a destroyer or battle barge as a hill or mountain when it is covered by sand dunes or soft soil. This is a friggin continental-sized ship. If this thing "buried" on Terra alone, its bow or stern would protrude out toward the space as it is far longer than the curvature of Terra's horizon.

@@freedom4651 I think that at that point, it was part of local terrain. Thousands of years had passed until humanity had settled into the system. You also have to remember that it is not like on Earth where humans are crawling everywhere. It is more like a colony. You just started colonizing planet and it will take centuries even with advanced technologies to even settle the entire planet. If it is barren, it would be more like a moon. A small base and a lot of nothing around. People literally have no reason to go outside. It is like arctic regions are today. Just few thousand people sheltered in research stations. Do you think they are going across the continent? Are they trying to dig up snow there? There could be a continent sized ship in our arctic right now and the only thing which would show us that is geological surveys from orbit. Now imagine colonist just settling on the planet. They wouldn't have anything fancy like geological satellites doing scan of an entire planet and team of researchers carefully investigating data.

"Poor leadership" For 10,000 years Imperium didnt have actual leadership, Its Galaxy-Spanned Interstellar Bureucratic,Military,Mechanicus Humongus where the "Prime Minister" Or Head of Imperium Goverment put on stasis field while the Supreme Leader (Emperor of Mankind) Sitting 10,000 years to Projected and Guided Astronomicon Light beam entire galaxy so Every Imperial Starship safely travel inside Warp while Battling all Four God itself and Astronomicon need 1,000 souls psyker sacrifice per day, Because its so needed, It literally have whole ass Bureaucracy dedicated for Sacrificing and Kidnapping presses weak or untrained psyker in whole galaxy

@@TS-jm7jm No lol, the tyranids are endless and the necron if fully awoken would body everyone

​@@flowepower3000the tyranid are not here yet and the necrons are literally sleeping. As things stands, an actually well run imperium would body everybody else at the same time exept mayby the orks.

@@leandrocastello309 You willingly neglect the fact that the archenemy, Chaos is the antithesis to order and logistics. Even if we were to somehow establish good leadership, weed out corruption and develop a new, more efficient chain of logistics all of this miraculous new development would have been corrupted by chaos at numerous places. Chaos doesn't win by martial might, as long as human souls exist chaos will never be defeated. You could argue that a logistically sound imperium could forever repel the forces of Abaddon, but to "body" chaos doesn't mean to simply show up to the gates of hell with an impressive armada. ignoring necrons, chaos can't be defeated (unless the necron get their shit together and build pylons throughout the galaxy), tyranids in the coming millenia will overwhelm every single living being, orcs are a "maybe". Oh, and the drukhari can't be fought because humanity doesn't know how to transport forces into the webway, let alone navigate the world city of Commoragh. This leaves us with the pitiful achievement of wiping out Aeladri who are already on the brink of extinction.

​@@leandrocastello309Man you speak heresy

Batle stations with thrusters ❌ Cathedrals with thrusters ✔️

Это более реалестично

@@medievalcaucasian cathedrals with gigantic fuckoff broadside cannons and maybe some thrusters if they have room :P

@@conan2096 Emperor wills it brother

you mean it was the emperors horse :P

Which book mentions it? I only recently even heard of it...

Yeah. I would also like to know more about this

It's stated to be larger than the largest ark of omen while not even the largest ark of omen was hundreds of miles long. The Rock is likely more than a thousand miles long.

The Rock is literally Chunk of Planet that turn to Literal Fucking Spaceship and Base

Eventually

​@@nutbug445привет! Фаланга размером с планетоид или луну, так что там размер побольше.

Just fyi... that final ship was way too small. It's supposed to be continent sized, not island sized. The smallest continent on Earth is ~4,000 km or ~2,500 miles long.

​@@jonathanryan9946 Perhaps its just a Metaphor and not meant to be taken to literal to describe how ridiculously big that ship is. For example Phalanx was described as the size of Small Moon, but in here, its just 150km.

@@yoelchristian6332 I'm afraid you have bad knowledge of the size of small moons. Literally dozens in our very own solar system are less than 160km, with others still considered small bigger than 160km. So the size of the Phalanx at 160km and being compared to a small monn is literally accurate. It's also a pop culture reference to the first Death Star which was also 160km (death star 2 has varied from 200k to over 900km based on when, as their was big debate due to the size of Vader's flag ship huge size but the lack of curvature on the 2nd Death Star when it hit it). Now as to Continent sized... if it's a metaphor and meant to be smaller, it's a super bad metaphor. It's be like comparing a two story building to the biggest skyscrapers. If your only information is Continent sized, then it's Continent sized... and remember, this franchise loves how over-the-top it is. So I'm inclined to believe it is that big.

@@jonathanryan9946 Anything closer with 150km is more accurate to Meteor or Asteroid size in general than just a small moon. Most of Small Moon are in range of 500km - closer to a thousand km in size than 150km. But Asteroid have plenty with the size of a hundred km. Try to learn more about this than just saying to someone having a bad knowledge about something. Death Star is similar to a moon not because of its size but because of the shape, round like a Moon but in fact, its just on asteroid range if we talk about the size.

@@yoelchristian6332 You do realize you literally just proved my point that the scale shown was vastly too small... in an effort to disprove me. Let's review: I was basically stating an ship shown barely over 100km needed to be around a factor of 26x bigger, and your basically retort has amounted "nah, just 10x bigger." In an effort to hide the fact that your previous implication that 150km was fine... even though according to your later flip flop, I was only 2.6x too big but you were 6.667x too small originally. However I was according to you wrong... even though even by your own final statement, I was far closer than you were. You really aren't as knowledgeable or intelligent as you think you are. Also unlike you, I actually do know how big moons and continents are, as shown by me literally previously listing accurate sizes of them before (feel free to double check). So if anyone needs to learn, it's you.

*WE BRAKE FOR NOBODY!* >:D

Continent sized ship, huh? if it exist in reality it was real life case of comedy/tragedy! just imagine That thing could have its own gravitational pull! it can orbit the earth like a second moon! it can cause tidal shift in the ocean! and confuses the hell out of wolves! and that's not all, how the people get inside? they can't! all they can do is jump/walk on it's surface but What is the use of a ship if no one can get inside?.... you get the Idea.

@@meysamghahremaninejad6809 Um, I have no idea where you got all that; I just repeated what was said at 6:00 on the dot in the video. =| It shows up at 5:42 and leaves the screen at 6:03 by the way.

@@tommyfox854 Calm down my friend! I was not trying to upset or correct you or something! I just was just wondering about what would be like if we had a massive ship like that in real life! that's all! BTW English is not my first language so maybe there is something about the way I said it!

@@meysamghahremaninejad6809 OOOooohh, okay; sorry about that, I wasn't really awake when I saw your reply. . it's a bad habit of mine, I will admit. Um, anyways, now that I know what ya mean; I agree, what *_would_* the consequences of such a massive ship be, and more over. . how the Hell does The Imperium get enough fuel to keep that thing going, let alone the supplies to keep it operational and built in the first place. Also, I don't know if it's just me, but every time I come across someone who English is not their first language they always, without fail, speak and/or write it better than those who English is their first language.

nah the castigater where controlled by ai and thats what brought humanity down

@@Gneisenau1935 if I remember it did give the grey knights its STC but they destroyed it This shit could’ve literally turned the tide but noooooo it must be grimdark.

@@labbit3574 jeah because before that they fought a chaos corrupt one

@@labbit3574the only known castigator stc was corrupted by chaos which makes sense if I was chaos and the imperium was able to make titans larger than imperator titans with the agility/durability of elder titans I would want to stop that asap

@@ilikecorks1715 yeah but couldn’t they still keep it and try to take what remains of it or whatever? Like sure it’s corrupted, but wouldn’t it still help to try and scrape whatever they can since it’s still a STC from a extremely strong mech (in imperium standards)

There is no specific number. It was described to be the size of a continent (Australia).

@@user-py6wo6ri7q Please rewatch. There were indeed specific numbers. I believe you're getting confused with the Speranza

There are only average numbers for ship sizes: 1-2 kilometers long for Escorts 4-6 kilometers long for Cruisers (light/heavy) 8-12 kilometers long for Battleships It was stated in *"Horus Heresy Book Three: Extermination"* Many direct sizes in this video were stated in *"Rogue Trader: Battlefleet Koronus"* and *"Rogue Trader: Core Rulebook"* And that's "average". There are also ships of the same class that vary in size because the class of the ship is their role in battle and not the concrete indicator of their size. There are also thousands of types of Cruisers alone for example *(HHB3:Extermination)* so depending on the type of starship within the same class their size can vary drastically. There are standard Battleships of unknown classes that were stated to be 17/20/24 kilometers long. Yet more compact Battleships were 4/6/7 kilometers long (their design and role in battle is "Battleship" and not "Cruiser"). Some huge cruisers of unknown types are 7/8/9 kilometers long. Grand Cruisers are mostly 7+ kilometers long and the largest known was 12 kilometers long and 2,5 kilometers wide. Escorts are consistently 1-2 kilometers long but there are mentions of Raiders closer to 3-4 kilometers in length. Every sector can build their own unique starships depending on resources and demand so it explains why ship sizes are so over the place.

Well, the Imperium is like 12k years old, and it's basically all over the Milky Way. I think it would be very unrealistic if ship sizes and classes and shapes, armaments etc. were consistent over that many years with constant wars, supply chain problems, tech being lost and found in a galaxy spanning empire.

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There is a Chaos fortress as big as a solar system lol

@@nutbug445 That's just fantasy giving science the middle finger, totally fine with me but that's not Sci-fi anymore. {Btw I did not know about this "chaos fortress", so I looked it up and I find the whole concept really funny 😄}

20km sounds doable, assembling them in space. The Scale of an entire solar system... well, just the materials could be hard to gather together without massive warpchenanigans, also very impractical to move them around. Or, if you care about such things, without destroying any solar system you are close by by your pure gravitation.

The Imperium is basically a galaxy wide empire dedicated solely to being at war. They have the resources to build huge war machines for both ground and void combat.

He recently did a video on it. It's the Speranza.

It was a ship that was incomplete when the Admech found it, and when it was complete, it was described as "continent-sized" and its first flight destroyed the planet it was embedded in, though this was deemed as a worthwhile sacrifice since the ship eaa like a Forge world in of itself.

The largest Gloriana Class Battleship is the first one built which is the Dark Angel's Invincible Reason at 28 kilometers in length. Second is the Macgragge's Honour at 26km followed by the Iron Blood at 20km. The others likely wouldve been a similar size to the Iron Blood as the design of the Glorianas became standardised as the Great Crusade progressed.

@@fludblud this stinks of ret-con. The Gloriana class isn't standardised at all since several are pre crusade vessels like the Red Tear and Bucephalus. I am pretty sure old lore has the Iron Blood as biggest because Perturabo had it built to his own design.

There are "standard" hive ships in mere Tyranid splinter fleet that were described to be the size of a continent (hundreds of miles long at least).

@@user-py6wo6ri7q What book bro? I think authors have 0 sense of scale

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Dude it would make no sense; solar system is absolutely

That's the chaos Ruinstorm fortress

@@nutbug445 oh mb

what sizes are correct in your opinion ?

@@user-py6wo6ri7q Cruisers in novels have been said to be 4-6km Grand Cruisers like 8-10, battleships 10+, Battle Barges 10+, Glorianas like 18-30km, Abyss class between that and The Phalanx

Everything is for war in the Grimdark

Speranza - imba Dark Age of Technology Ark Mechanicus with it's own Abominable Intelligence, I suggest reading how it's weapon works - one of the most OP stuff in 40k.

@@Ddarth_sidious thank you!

It takes dozens of years and a massive amount of resources for the imperium to make a single one of those massive ships if modern day earth had to make one of those it would take most of the worlds combined material and tech not to mention it would also take us a lot more time.

Assemble them in Space, use Ressources found in Asteroids anywhere in the solar system, carry ressources out of other systems. Grind down entire planets leave nothing more than a empty hull of rock.

Size matters in the 40k universe. The bigger the ship, the more armour it has. The bigger the ship the bigger the shield generators for the Void shields. Also those 10km+ ships have blackhole weaponry, your 10 metre ship is just going to go bye bye.

Void shields

There's no Holdo Manuver in 40k, nothing reach speeds anywhere close to 99,8% of the speed of light.

You literally described Nova cannon.

I mean, it does matter if you need to trade and to transport troops from one warzone to another, so you need transport ships and warships. What you are describing is more like a weapon that can fit in a warship or a station.