A Divided America Agrees: We Deserve Better Than This

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13 күн бұрын

The latest national poll (www.nytimes.com/2024/07/03/us...) from The New York Times and Siena College shows former President Donald J. Trump leading President Biden by nine percentage points among registered voters - a pretty big shift in his direction in the week since the presidential debate.
It has become clear in the past week that there is no obvious path to replacing Mr. Biden as the Democratic Party’s nominee. But there is a strong desire among Americans for something different.
We heard that directly from voters we met last week in Kenosha, Wis., at a gathering of a group called Braver Angels. It’s a nonpartisan organization that finds common ground across political divisions, and it proved a perfect focus group after the debate.
We asked these deeply engaged citizens, who had chosen to spend their free time debating policy and politics, how they were feeling about their options for president in November.
Their perspective reinforced the gap that this unique political moment has exposed between voters and party leaders.
The questions are: Has Mr. Biden’s debate performance made the continuation of his campaign untenable? And what, if anything, should happen next?
Do you have a question about the 2024 election? We want to hear from you. Fill out this form (www.nytimes.com/article/2024-...) or email us at therunup@nytimes.com (mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?fs=...)

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@worldadventuretravel
@worldadventuretravel 11 күн бұрын
All these people bitched their way through two primaries about how Bernie Sanders was "too old" only to vote for a man the exact same age, clearly in advancing stages of Alzheimer's al the way back in 2019, and spend 4 years telling us he's really only 30 and has a photographic memory. Meanwhile we could be in a 7th year of a Sanders administration with universal healthcare, housing rights and $15 minimum wage-- not to mention not be fomenting nuclear wars with Russia and the middle east. When are people going to finally hold the Democrats and the liberal media machine accountable for screwing us over?!
@alijarrah97
@alijarrah97 9 күн бұрын
Exactly
@EarlyRiser71
@EarlyRiser71 8 күн бұрын
@worldadventuretravel the dems will never stop cowing to their DNC gods. Not gonna happen. People can hate on Trump, but the fact is the right blew up their system and told political party leaders that voters are in charge, not them.
@SatiVee
@SatiVee 7 күн бұрын
This comment deserves 1000 upvotes.
@kimobrien.
@kimobrien. 5 күн бұрын
@@SatiVee Join a union and create a labor party.
@Dare5358
@Dare5358 12 күн бұрын
"I really didn't follow Trump prior to the debate"??? EXCUSE ME? The man was president for 4 years, "yeah, um, I just really didn't know about him until the debate"??? who tf are these ppl?
@ZlevelS
@ZlevelS 11 күн бұрын
People brainwashed by the NYT for the last 7 years
@PaquitoNYC
@PaquitoNYC 10 күн бұрын
@@Dare5358 they are zombies.
@ericwinters1513
@ericwinters1513 9 күн бұрын
In a "democracy" people get the government they deserve.
@jessamynfinneran5036
@jessamynfinneran5036 5 күн бұрын
Not if you're not even allowed the candidate who would win fairly. Election after election our candidate is forced on us by both "leading" parties . We don't have to vote for them. It's not a throw away vote! It is a protest vote.
@cwidd1929
@cwidd1929 11 күн бұрын
Well, this segment was eye opening to the extent that it reveals the myriad ways the education system in America has failed our society and how the average voter has basically no clue about the goings on of government or political gamesmanship.
@NightOfCrystals
@NightOfCrystals 12 күн бұрын
The fact that people are even having conflicted feelings over Biden-Trump in 2024 is stunning. Have they forgotten 2017-2021?
@dolphmanity
@dolphmanity 12 күн бұрын
We must repeal the 19th Amendment. Women are not capable of rational thought.
@mendyboio3917
@mendyboio3917 12 күн бұрын
You are so right!
@dolphmanity
@dolphmanity 11 күн бұрын
@@NightOfCrystals We must repeal the 19th Amendment. Women are not capable of rational thought.
@Please654
@Please654 11 күн бұрын
Love that I’m not sure if you mean this positively or negatively. Trump did stupid shit but boy that cost of living was so uhbetter
@NightOfCrystals
@NightOfCrystals 11 күн бұрын
@@Please654 I’ll clarify my position - Trump as president was a disaster. He quickly made the US the shame of the international community. Over 400,000 people died under his watch during the COVID-19 pandemic due to fumbled handling in the early days. He racked up nearly $8T in debt. His tax scam for the rich cost the public millions. His border wall plan was a fringe, lunatic waste of money. He was essentially a mouthpiece for Putin at various international summits. The United States cannot afford another Trump presidency.
@Charles-Darwin
@Charles-Darwin 12 күн бұрын
We need Bernie more than ever. He's the only true populist that has a 40+yr record doing what's right for people on the ground
@wjfox2006
@wjfox2006 12 күн бұрын
I love Bernie but come on... he's even older than Biden.
@Charles-Darwin
@Charles-Darwin 12 күн бұрын
@@wjfox2006 people like to say this but he's still shooting hoops, holding unedited interviews, and doing rallies. Hes the only one that could actually win. He brings the disparaged, the youth, voters on the fence, swing states, the rust belt and even some far right maga (the ones that wanted trump to be populist where he clearly isn't). That's huge and an ocean wider than what Kamala and Biden could claim to. It's only 4yrs, he would pick a VP that would do us well and do the honourable thing if his capacity did diminish. The guy is gold
@lauriloo38c
@lauriloo38c 10 күн бұрын
Stop trying to make fetch happen
@Charles-Darwin
@Charles-Darwin 10 күн бұрын
@@wjfox2006 he still shoots hoops on weekends, rallies across the country fighting the food fight, and maintains high cognitive ability during live and long-form interviews. How is that too old? Old age but not old as in diminishing. The reason this is best case scenario is for one, he's got the overwhelming support (if say much more than trump) especially among his peers. He would obviously only have 1 term, during that term he would def put a woman as VP. That VP would have a drastically higher presence than any other VP in history. Why you ask? Because he would want to propel them into an actually successful bid in 2028. Right now with the state of things, if Kamala were to be put up, she would be demolished l. She's not been given credence the entire time Biden's been in and her record/resume beyond that is pitiful - 1 term in Congress and a contentious time as an attorney. It's just not material enough against the likes and risks with trump. Also, much of the praised output of the Biden admin was watered down Bernie policy anyway. It's popular (albeit lightweight from establishment Dems) and they know it. But diluted simply won't cut it, people can clearly see that. We might as well have the OG himself. And to anyone that thinks 'hes too extreme' don't worry, the oligarchs won't let him have too much regardless; Bernie fights for going the mile while knowing damn well if we only get 3% of the way that that's good, it's progress in the right direction. So, a for-sure bet now while the skillet is on fire, propping up VP for a real future's chance, and doing good populist policy for at a minimum of 4 years...this will all make the Dems look good, they'll actually output what they claim stake to for a change.
@cosmiccowboy7764
@cosmiccowboy7764 7 күн бұрын
He’s a communist
@judithglasser3072
@judithglasser3072 12 күн бұрын
We need better people to represent us. President Biden has been solid, and hard-working, now he needs to retire with dignity and poise. Thursday was an American tragedy!
@9000ck
@9000ck 12 күн бұрын
he's insisting on being undignified. nothing worse than an old man devoid of wisdom and humility.
@Charles-Darwin
@Charles-Darwin 12 күн бұрын
Biden policy that's done anything worth some cents and people like, are watered down Bernie policy. Why can't we just have Bernie for 4 yrs?
@dolphmanity
@dolphmanity 12 күн бұрын
We must repeal the 19th Amendment. Women are not capable of rational thought.
@Agtsmirnoff
@Agtsmirnoff 12 күн бұрын
I don’t think there’s any dignity left for him, not after the truth has been exposed about his terrible mental state
@EarlyRiser71
@EarlyRiser71 10 күн бұрын
Tell me one thing Biden has done that has had an impact in your current life. Just one thing.
@blakepeterson1977
@blakepeterson1977 9 күн бұрын
Half of Americans identify as independent. The reds and blues are killing it (us).
@xyz12345457
@xyz12345457 12 күн бұрын
Not only could not watch the debate after seeing the first 3 minutes, I can't watch your show after the first 3 minutes. That woman who actually BELIEVED TRUMP was ridiculous.
@lauriloo38c
@lauriloo38c 10 күн бұрын
What’s the actual evidence you have that Trump lied about his policy positions? You can’t cite MSNBC opinions
@cassandratq9301
@cassandratq9301 6 күн бұрын
Ohio isn't a "battleground" state. Hasn't been a bell-weather for some time now.🤦‍♀️
@janpierzchala2004
@janpierzchala2004 12 күн бұрын
The free world deserves better, too.
@jkerr1563
@jkerr1563 12 күн бұрын
Our freedom is apparently in the hands of a sliver of swing-state voters. Heaven help us all 🙏🇺🇲.
@antoniopizarro7670
@antoniopizarro7670 12 күн бұрын
Ok, Copernicus, who? Name someone.
@janpierzchala2004
@janpierzchala2004 12 күн бұрын
@@antoniopizarro7670 I do not know talent gathering in the second line, behind inept Kamala and too old Biden (Trump best of the three).
@Charles-Darwin
@Charles-Darwin 12 күн бұрын
Bernie
@WeedSlut187
@WeedSlut187 11 күн бұрын
The Sellout that endorsed Hillary? Hilarious. ​@@Charles-Darwin
@Listman11
@Listman11 12 күн бұрын
America also deserves a better media.
@9000ck
@9000ck 12 күн бұрын
'i thought it was a reason to drink' exactly.
@mendyboio3917
@mendyboio3917 12 күн бұрын
Me, too!
@JohnKerbaugh
@JohnKerbaugh 9 күн бұрын
Hemlock?
@Chris-yt3ep
@Chris-yt3ep 12 күн бұрын
“Undecided voter in Ohio means a lot” - pretty pathetic journalism from NYT here. Ohio is a solid red state.
@vincentbernal635
@vincentbernal635 12 күн бұрын
We deserve the best Republican candidate and the best Democrat candidate competing for the presidency.
@Charles-Darwin
@Charles-Darwin 12 күн бұрын
I pick Bernie
@PaquitoNYC
@PaquitoNYC 12 күн бұрын
We are too cowardly to vote for them. Bernie. Buttigieg.
@Charles-Darwin
@Charles-Darwin 12 күн бұрын
When even Stormy Daniels could win over Joe and Kamala, tells you all you need about the state of things
@Socratic199
@Socratic199 12 күн бұрын
Parties have a monopoly on candidate choices. We choose between the trash they allow us to. Saw it first hand in 2016 in Philly. The media is a key player in that monopoly. "Spin room"? Doesn't get more on the nose than that, kids. Since what we have is largely exclusive to the public will, it seems the ONLY chance at breaking that cycle is to supplant those structures by way of alternatives. We need new party coalitions to compete. Voters on both sides have many commonalities and paths to addressing local problems. We just need to do it without regard for all the noise the establishment always makes about it.
@mrm7058
@mrm7058 12 күн бұрын
IMHO the US needs a new voting system. One that allows more viable choices than just two. Sadly neither Democrats nor Republicans will advocate for this, because they benefit from this duopoly and don't want more competition.
@lexluthor9509
@lexluthor9509 12 күн бұрын
@@mrm7058 RNC/DNC make too much $$$ off of a gullible public to give it up...
@jamesoquinn9168
@jamesoquinn9168 12 күн бұрын
Hear! Hear! ✊️
@Charles-Darwin
@Charles-Darwin 12 күн бұрын
Bernie
@itsallfunandgames723
@itsallfunandgames723 12 күн бұрын
Trump wasn't just not the choice of the RNC or the media, but literally their last choice, they went out of their way to try and destroy him, failing utterly. It's the DNC who has maintained total control.
@bashfulpanda2596
@bashfulpanda2596 11 күн бұрын
The first arguement against Democracy is a conversation with the average voter.
@BadOompaloompa79
@BadOompaloompa79 12 күн бұрын
Trump dosn't want exceptions lol he literally has said he has to say that to get wlected.
@dayojohn7522
@dayojohn7522 12 күн бұрын
It just baffles me how people easily fall for his lies like the 2nd girl interviewed.
@RB-.-
@RB-.- 12 күн бұрын
Trumps position on abortion is actually extremely moderate. Conservatives want a national ban but they put up with leaving it to the states.
@BadOompaloompa79
@BadOompaloompa79 12 күн бұрын
@@RB-.- Anything short of a nationwide bad is " moderate" now? They haven't had a chance to do it. They get one they will. Because they don't care how many women or how many babies it kills, yes abortion bans kill both and increase, not decrease the number of abortions. Because they aren't about anything but controlling women. We get a Republican Congress they will pass a ban. If Trump is president he will sign it. They already polluted the court with insane ideologues who have trashed the rule of law. Just so they could take women's rights. Not " moderate" by a long shot.
@nsbadgrapple60
@nsbadgrapple60 12 күн бұрын
​@@RB-.- yeah but the fact he and a handful of his inner circle are the only thing holding back the religeous extremists in the party is worrying, especially since trump has a tendancy to flip flop when its convenient.
@dolphmanity
@dolphmanity 12 күн бұрын
We must repeal the 19th Amendment. Women are not capable of rational thought.
@TheMageesa
@TheMageesa 12 күн бұрын
Just wow. Unquestioning Trump's claims because he "sounded sincere"... this is they typical low-information uncommitted voter we're supposed to be tailoring policies and candidates towards.
@mickeybeavison1053
@mickeybeavison1053 12 күн бұрын
You’re unreasonable
@dolphmanity
@dolphmanity 12 күн бұрын
We must repeal the 19th Amendment. Women are not capable of rational thought.
@alimomen
@alimomen 12 күн бұрын
I feel you but the key is to meet people where they are and figure out how to communicate to them. Biden couldn’t refute or retort those claims that night. It was his job to disprove in the moment what Trump said. This is why it’s important to ask if he’s the guy to prosecute the case against Trump.
@powermaxx11
@powermaxx11 11 күн бұрын
@@alimomen it's hopeless it seems, how you can you penetrate that kind of mind
@lizzy-wx4rx
@lizzy-wx4rx 11 күн бұрын
@@powermaxx11 Very easily, apparently! I've never heard someone so easily and dramatically swayed by a couple of statements from a politician. (Just imagine if the Dems had put up someone competent against Trump...)
@FavouriteViewer
@FavouriteViewer 12 күн бұрын
I don't understand why American voters seem to place so much attention on individual candidates and how they make them feel, rather than discussing policy or a larger political vision for the country. I wish we could have more political formats discussing policy proposals like Project 2025, tax reform or the success (or failure) of bills like the Chips Act, Infrastructure Bill or Inflation Reduction Act. Those would affect the average American far more than how a candidate presents him or herself, and might have a chance of rendering a better roster of candidates as well. Perhaps a bit of a meandering point, but would be interested to hear what people think.
@1d3m1g0d
@1d3m1g0d 12 күн бұрын
It doesn’t seem that you understand either American politics or politics more broadly.
@adatewithkate
@adatewithkate 12 күн бұрын
Philosophically, I agree with you. But practically, that would require a lot of research on the part of voters. I'm personally willing (and even eager) to do that kind of research to keep myself informed, but I also have more free time than a lot of American adults. Ideally we'd all be tuned into these major bills and policies that affect our lives and our future, but people are busy and tired and they don't care to dive into the complex machinations of congressional bills and government initiatives. Thus, they go with whichever guy has the "vibe" they're looking for in a leader. It's a bummer.
@BufordTGleason
@BufordTGleason 12 күн бұрын
From my seat, it is pretty clear that most Americans do not have any intellectual curiosity about things they don’t understand or that they disagree with. The importance of history or unimportance of history is embarrassing. How little so many people know about past events and how they affect today…. history is filled with examples of autocrats using existing Democratic freedoms to gain power only to form a dictatorship where independence of the media, the right to change the existing government by free and fair elections and freedom of individual opinion and protest are violently repressed. Instead they want simple solutions to complicated problems like closing the border like deporting, illegal aliens like tariffs on imports, like removing checks and balances in our government, with the false assumption by punishing others or removing opposition that their lives will get better…….without giving one iota of thought that this policy, is designed to create a one party state and is militarizing the police for future action against other civilians in the United States that are not here illegally, and that simply disagree with the policy of our government. For those who think I am weaving a fairytale or I’m making a big deal out of nothing. Please look at any Trump rally or MAGA event where people who have different opinions have been identified by Trump or the crowd.
@rbu2136
@rbu2136 12 күн бұрын
If you believe that Biden is just a puppet and you want unknown others behind the scenes running things, vote for him.
@mattvaldez2438
@mattvaldez2438 11 күн бұрын
youre too smart for your own good
@MegaAslan10
@MegaAslan10 10 күн бұрын
If Biden cared more about America and Democracy than he did about whats best for Biden, he would leave now
@lauriloo38c
@lauriloo38c 10 күн бұрын
The first NYT interviewer was TOTALLY pushing a Democratic viewpoint in their questions and how they characterized the answers the woman gave. Can’t the NYT find interviewers who can stay neutral when they interview people?
@nsbadgrapple60
@nsbadgrapple60 12 күн бұрын
Meanwhile there's a MAGA loyalists using this Better Angels thing to build a list of their local "RINO traitors"
@erikreinhardt7955
@erikreinhardt7955 10 күн бұрын
I wish the Dems were running against Bernie rn. They might get off their asses and try to win this thing.
@jh9496
@jh9496 12 күн бұрын
Bruhhh… we f’d :(
@Kevin-tr6js
@Kevin-tr6js 6 күн бұрын
Democracy is hard. The people in power are exactly what we deserve because we the people allowed that to happen. I start by blaming myself. There's nothing stopping me from taking the time to get more involved in politics. I've never ran for any political seat. I don't volunteer to help collect signatures for ballot initiatives. I don't volunteer to help in election campaigns for candidates who support issues I believe in. I pay attention to what's going on politically, and I vote, and that's not enough. I can't complain about the people who get elected if I'm not willing to do everything I can within reason to help get better people elected.
@jesuisrobert808
@jesuisrobert808 6 күн бұрын
Biden needs to watch the debate carefully and do the right thing.
@williamjameslehy1341
@williamjameslehy1341 12 күн бұрын
"Cory" is about as convincing as Dave Rubin.
@dragoaus
@dragoaus 12 күн бұрын
Why? Because she questions Bidens mental capabilities? His inability to be coherent for more then 2 minutes?
@reubenhandel210
@reubenhandel210 11 күн бұрын
NYTimes readers just found out that Biden was senile last week
@gladigatorrawr1480
@gladigatorrawr1480 11 күн бұрын
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@BrandonTBlackwell
@BrandonTBlackwell 11 күн бұрын
Adam Schiff? Is that you?
@jonahsahn
@jonahsahn 6 күн бұрын
Some of the people interviewed for this are.... not smart.
@maryannstout7600
@maryannstout7600 7 күн бұрын
I couldn’t watch it because it was just too painful. I get angry whenever I hear people mock President Biden and snicker at him. It’s terribly upsetting. I wonder how could his family and the Democrats do this to him. I hope my family never 👎 does that to me. I’m not a Biden supporter, but he’s our president and we should do better at showing him greater respect . This being said, I’m voting for Donald J. Trump. President Biden’s best days are gone. His time is over. President Biden RIP.
@VitaSineLibertatenih
@VitaSineLibertatenih 12 күн бұрын
How much have Americans done to dismantle 2-party system? Yes..Nothing. You made your bed, now lay in it.
@jardbinkley3144
@jardbinkley3144 12 күн бұрын
Lie, not lay. But ok.
@bens5859
@bens5859 11 күн бұрын
What _could_ Americans do?
@duki8616
@duki8616 11 күн бұрын
we've been trying to do a lot actually. Many voted 3rd party in 2016 which gave trump the election, and this changed somethings like superdelagates. secondly, many are canvasing for ranked choice voting, so 3rd party candidates can be voted for without it handing the election over to some freak.
@ericwinters1513
@ericwinters1513 9 күн бұрын
@@jardbinkley3144 Sorry to inform you, but the Grammar Nazi lost the war.
@jardbinkley3144
@jardbinkley3144 9 күн бұрын
@@ericwinters1513 Feel free to look it up if you're curious to find the right answer.
@hannahconroy
@hannahconroy 12 күн бұрын
This is fascinating! Thanks to everyone who contributed to this podcast :)
@nicksapp6543
@nicksapp6543 12 күн бұрын
They could wheel Biden into the debate in a coma and I am still not voting for Trump! Please Jo step down and let’s beat this dictator want be Trump!
@asnmdnss
@asnmdnss 12 күн бұрын
You're part of the problem, they know you'll vote for anything so why would he step down 😂
@john7787
@john7787 12 күн бұрын
That's fine by me. I'd vote for a mop over trump. A mop wouldn't incite a mob to invade the capitol nor hand over ukriane to putin or disband nato. Blame the republican "party" for becoming a cult around a horrible person and refusing to cater even to non trump republicans let alone others.
@RB-.-
@RB-.- 12 күн бұрын
TDS
@mendyboio3917
@mendyboio3917 12 күн бұрын
​@asnmdnss, You aren't paying attention to the Supreme Court's last term. Please, vote for the party that believes in continuing our Republic. Not the party who want's us to be governed by a King/dictator.
@mendyboio3917
@mendyboio3917 12 күн бұрын
​@@john7787, Well said!
@midcenturymoldy
@midcenturymoldy 12 күн бұрын
“We deserve better than this” Then vote in the freaking primaries if you believe you deserve better.
@TheMageesa
@TheMageesa 12 күн бұрын
There weren't actual primaries this year for Dems.
@midcenturymoldy
@midcenturymoldy 12 күн бұрын
@@TheMageesa I voted in one. There were 8 candidates on the ballot. The turnout in my state was only slightly more than 18%.
@MutatedPizzaBoi
@MutatedPizzaBoi 12 күн бұрын
@@TheMageesa The DNC made sure of that.
@TanyaLairdCivil
@TanyaLairdCivil 11 күн бұрын
@@midcenturymoldy Obviously they held formal debates. But that doesn't mean there was a real primary. They didn't even bother holding debates. Republicans held debates, Democrats didn't. That fact should be an embarrassment to the Democratic party.
@justinedse8435
@justinedse8435 8 күн бұрын
@midcenturymoldy The Democrats didn't have a primary.
@imirim
@imirim 12 күн бұрын
Actually we don't deserve better than this. What we have is a product of the ignorance and stupidity of the American electorate.
@kflowers8276
@kflowers8276 12 күн бұрын
Agreed. Just listening to some of the interviewees, tells you they haven't put as much thought into it as they think they have.
@aquababy2012
@aquababy2012 12 күн бұрын
Don't be mean.
@suzanne6441
@suzanne6441 12 күн бұрын
I never understand statements like this. We get ourselves as humans or Americans into every situation we're in - climate, the election, wars, going to the moon, antibiotics, schools.. but since we are just going to keep on being human and making mistakes why abandon us? Sparrows make mistakes, one built a nest on our door and the babies fell, I could feel the panic and what seemed like sorrow in the parents. They didn't deserve what they got because they aren't perfect Sparrows.
@solarwind907
@solarwind907 11 күн бұрын
@@suzanne6441 even sparrows wouldn’t vote for Trump.
@charlesashurst1816
@charlesashurst1816 8 күн бұрын
This question has to answered: Is Joe Biden medically fit to be president? If yes, Biden should continue. If not, Biden should resign for the good of the country. In no case would I ever vote for DJT.
@cassandratq9301
@cassandratq9301 6 күн бұрын
Frankly, his ability to prosecute the case against Trump is right now the priority.
@donnalkoutrakos1538
@donnalkoutrakos1538 12 күн бұрын
It's about time a women was our President!
@anem0nia
@anem0nia 12 күн бұрын
Really good job on this
@stayclean777
@stayclean777 12 күн бұрын
Trump "quips"? Hey, the New York Times said it, must be true.
@ForestRogers
@ForestRogers 8 күн бұрын
So this woman has no clue whatsoever about Trump's continual lying, which can be so easily verified. So easily. Stunning.
@upyorkstate5541
@upyorkstate5541 8 күн бұрын
So.... Biden's lies have killed more Americans!
@angelliquem810
@angelliquem810 12 күн бұрын
I’m a Dem that voted for Biden and I like what he has done, he’s a good man. Having said that, we have a bench of talented people on the Dem side that could clean the floor with Trump. I think Biden will lose to Trump that debate just fomented the caricature the right has made of him. We either change course or Trump is the future.
@maemorri
@maemorri 12 күн бұрын
27:55: He used to wonder "Are people on the other side evil, or are they stupid? Now it seems ridiculous that I even thought that." I think "Why not both?" And I have gotten stronger in that opinion over the years. I would make a very poor "better angel".
@1d3m1g0d
@1d3m1g0d 12 күн бұрын
If nothing else, you’re self aware.
@noirsake8057
@noirsake8057 12 күн бұрын
Amen to the title
@pimpingkek4947
@pimpingkek4947 6 күн бұрын
Paraparaganaganadada
@newpilgrim
@newpilgrim 12 күн бұрын
Beautiful story! Thanks so much!
@LiamRappaport
@LiamRappaport 12 күн бұрын
I’d love for Petey to be the Dem candidate. I think he’d easily beat Trump.
@PumaBeats
@PumaBeats 11 күн бұрын
Joe’s gotta go
@pictureworksdenver
@pictureworksdenver 12 күн бұрын
The notion that we "deserve better than this" is entitled and delusional. Functional democracy takes work, which we have failed to do. Our collective fractious division, hubris, laziness, selfish greed and willful ignorance has delivered us to this moment. Functional democracy requires access to accurate information and an informed citizenry. It must be responsive to the needs and desires of that citizenry and relies on social cohesion to uphold it. We have none of those things. Functional democracy is fully incompatible with extreme wealth inequality, yet wealth inequality has never been higher. Since we can't sustain a social environment conducive to functional democracy, our democracy has withered. In this regard we have exactly what we deserve.
@delorespeterson5954
@delorespeterson5954 12 күн бұрын
Step aside today Biden. Pass the torch to Kamala. Trump must be defeated. Independent voter
@gregorymurphy6115
@gregorymurphy6115 12 күн бұрын
hot take: No one deserves anything.
@dr_flunks
@dr_flunks 11 күн бұрын
i voted trump twice. i can understand why people are changing their votes but i wish we both had a better choice on both sides. i almost hate social conservatism more than i love fiscal conservatiism. i'd seriously consider a non socialist pro climate anti dei democrat.
@table_salt
@table_salt 10 күн бұрын
Every elected Democrat is to the right of socialism
@alesh2275
@alesh2275 12 күн бұрын
Funny none of those they interviewed said they were going to vote for Trump ….. just statistically I find that weird ….
@Charles-Darwin
@Charles-Darwin 12 күн бұрын
Bc the majority of actual people don't want him either. Both him and Biden have historically high unapproval ratings at 60% and historic low approval ratings at 30%.
@stromsrb
@stromsrb 12 күн бұрын
Truly unbelievable to elect a self-important bully leading a pack of bullies, haters and opportunists and would abuse unlimited immunity because you don't like the performance of the figurehead of a competent Democratic team that has delivered time and time again.
@BluePlanet1
@BluePlanet1 12 күн бұрын
The president isn’t a “figurehead.” Most Americans aren’t buying your argument that the Democratic Party is “competent” when they have a mentally incompetent man as the head of it. You may not like Trump, but you’re not going to convince anyone of your position if all you can do is defend that abysmal performance.
@midcenturymoldy
@midcenturymoldy 12 күн бұрын
Sadly, it’s all too believable these days.
@mickeybeavison1053
@mickeybeavison1053 12 күн бұрын
Cry harder little tiny baby @stromsrb
@antoniopizarro7670
@antoniopizarro7670 12 күн бұрын
You nailed it
@keithbickley522
@keithbickley522 12 күн бұрын
This was an excellent podcast because it was very illuminating.
@michaelsmith9102
@michaelsmith9102 12 күн бұрын
America absolutely deserves this. They have been laying the groundwork their entire lives, they just didn’t know it. And now, the moment has arrived to bear upon them.
@existentialvoid
@existentialvoid 12 күн бұрын
Need more of this kind of reporting from the NYT. Very fair.
@jimscott1246
@jimscott1246 12 күн бұрын
Politicians and press spinners need to know that a lit of listeners are intelligent. We are perfectly capable of making up our own minds. We do not need to be spoon fed the latest news with a slant. We recognise when someone is not well and we do indeed deserve better.
@ModernCentrist
@ModernCentrist 12 күн бұрын
Biden is DONE, either he drops, or Trump wins. Period.
@maemorri
@maemorri 12 күн бұрын
The problem is neither option is pain-free (to Democrats), and neither seems likely to lead to the desired outcome. It's why I viewed Sanders, Warren and Biden as all too old in 2020. Democrats should have taken the issue seriously in 2020 or 2022 or 2024 (primary season), but now many are panicking at the consequences of their gamble.
@jeffreyd1980
@jeffreyd1980 12 күн бұрын
That’s what is killing me and anyone who’s forced to try to pretend he’s ok is going to get dragged down too. This can’t keep going.
@vai559
@vai559 12 күн бұрын
@@maemorriWarren did nothing but ruin Bernie’s chances ugh
@kristinadutton3259
@kristinadutton3259 12 күн бұрын
You’re wrong. Biden 2024!!
@wjfox2006
@wjfox2006 12 күн бұрын
@@kristinadutton3259 The post-debate polling is horrific for Biden. He needs to do the honourable thing and step down.
@DITBC
@DITBC 12 күн бұрын
I don’t get these people. There were open primaries with multiple willing candidates in both parties and these two won them resoundingly. Primary voters chose these guys relatively fairly. Their issue is with those voters.
@mrm7058
@mrm7058 12 күн бұрын
The Democrats had no true primary this year. Potential candidates had been discouraged to run, no debates and some states canceled the primary all together.
@DITBC
@DITBC 12 күн бұрын
@@mrm7058 ok. So vote for the side that had the most democratic process. They should at least be rewarded for that much.
@DDd-hr6mz
@DDd-hr6mz 12 күн бұрын
The Times has sunk into the gutter
@caliboy8740
@caliboy8740 11 күн бұрын
Why because they aren’t towing the Democratic Party agenda blindly? That’s what you prefer? This is the same sentiment Maga loyalist said of Fox when they briefly criticized Trump.
@davidluckens3479
@davidluckens3479 9 күн бұрын
I understand that there are three people who can order troops to D.C ,and the mayor of the District isn't one of them.The President is.
@aquababy2012
@aquababy2012 12 күн бұрын
The first person interviewed wasn't a Democrat but she identified as 'blue' for some convention/viewing party? I deserve better as a democrat.
@courtbudd
@courtbudd 12 күн бұрын
"Blue" does not mean "Democrat." It identifies (as the reporter says) the delegate as "left-leaning." But where do you get that she wasn't a Democrat? Because she's questioning her original choice, not towing the party line? I was there, sitting not far from this delegate. Her name is Cory. I have a ton of respect for the way she thinks independently and acts on her convictions. You can view and hear her in a recording of the Friday morning session: 2:34:00 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pNSqd5eG3ae-j2Q.html. But there were plenty of democrats of all varieties. Our parties reflect our country in being anything but one size fits all.
@aquababy2012
@aquababy2012 12 күн бұрын
@@courtbudd She's definitely not left-leaning which is what got me stirred up in the first place. But you're right about getting the two wrong.
@EarlyRiser71
@EarlyRiser71 10 күн бұрын
I laugh at people who say Trump isn’t a nice person. You are reacting to the profile the media fed you. I haven't met one person who has met Trump who walked away and didn't rave about the interaction. Trump is very personable whether you like his policies or not.
@number9vintage928
@number9vintage928 9 күн бұрын
I think that the screaming about people who speak languages "noone has ever heard before" being sick animals, cliched the deal that Trump is not a nice person.
@noodlewhitley
@noodlewhitley 9 күн бұрын
I'm sure there are fine people on both sides. 😂
@EarlyRiser71
@EarlyRiser71 9 күн бұрын
@@noodlewhitley perfect example of how you've been brainwashed by your media gods. Quoting pieces of the entire quote is a sign of ignorance.
@andrewfrisch7002
@andrewfrisch7002 8 күн бұрын
@@EarlyRiser71 Can you project a little harder, please?
@EarlyRiser71
@EarlyRiser71 7 күн бұрын
@@number9vintage928 my god, you are a true snowflake huh?
@SmilesPerGallon-
@SmilesPerGallon- 12 күн бұрын
As a former Newspaper, NYT is transitioning well into podcasting. I enjoyed this one, thanks 😊
@AnnStephens196
@AnnStephens196 12 күн бұрын
Yea… I’m starting think people need to take a test in order to vote.
@morningsky8045
@morningsky8045 12 күн бұрын
Corey translated: Biden's performance was awful and I'm thinking of switching my vote to Trump because he wiped the floor with Joe. Sure he never answers the question and doesn't tell the truth but that's the man I want to be my president.
@jkerr1563
@jkerr1563 12 күн бұрын
EXACTLY!! As if DECADES of Trump's DEPRAVITY was en par with Biden's bad 90 min. debate in some voter's view. Simply stunning 😢. Irresponsible and Shameful so-called 'Journalism.'
@lexluthor9509
@lexluthor9509 12 күн бұрын
@@jkerr1563 Evolution is not always linear.
@dlmsarge8329
@dlmsarge8329 12 күн бұрын
I think you missed the point. She's saying Biden was so feeble and out to lunch she can't vote for him even if she desperately wants to. I think millions of Americans are reaching the same conclusion. People have a better idea of what they are getting with Trump, with Biden there's too much uncertainty.
@robisonbeth
@robisonbeth 12 күн бұрын
@@dlmsarge8329Trump has made it clear what he’s going to do, and this will be the last election. That is the truth. A vote for that is madness.
@morningsky8045
@morningsky8045 12 күн бұрын
@@dlmsarge8329 Clearly you are the one who missed the point. She begins by saying she identified as a dem then proceeds to say she is so horrified at Biden's performance that she thinks she will now vote for Trump. That is not a legitimate dem response if based on one debate. Can you imagine republicans responding in that manner to the countless Trump lies and racist taunts etc over the past eight years. No, I don't think so as it's a cult mentality. I'm pretty confident that little Corey was also lying through her teeth about being a dem.
@hannahconroy
@hannahconroy 12 күн бұрын
A good "Purple" vote option is Peter Sonski of the American Solidarity Party.
@jaysteve4442
@jaysteve4442 12 күн бұрын
The lady at 13:15 ….wtf
@internetuser5286
@internetuser5286 11 күн бұрын
First interview will believe a notorious liar and convicted criminal? She shouldn't be allowed near a public forum, she's uninformed and incapable of decision making.
@lauriloo38c
@lauriloo38c 10 күн бұрын
I don’t think you know the details of those trials and what a farce they are. That’s why people don’t take it seriously
@upyorkstate5541
@upyorkstate5541 8 күн бұрын
How many illegals are you hosting in YOUR home?
@edmckay8001
@edmckay8001 12 күн бұрын
Scott Galloway 2024🎉
@stephenschroeder2901
@stephenschroeder2901 12 күн бұрын
2028 a better fit :-)
@oakworm5526
@oakworm5526 12 күн бұрын
RFK Jr 2024
@traviscutler9912
@traviscutler9912 12 күн бұрын
Kamala replacing Joementia The Public: we don't want Biden, we never really did Kamala: Hold my beer.........
@BufordTGleason
@BufordTGleason 12 күн бұрын
Getting Trump supporters to sit with anyone of different opinions, and be civilized is anaccomplishment in of itself
@denisenoonan1089
@denisenoonan1089 9 күн бұрын
I see it the opposite 😂
@donnalkoutrakos1538
@donnalkoutrakos1538 12 күн бұрын
Kamala Harris should be the candidate if Biden drops out!
@pattimcintyre9347
@pattimcintyre9347 12 күн бұрын
We want Trump, don't compare him and Biden...its night and day!
@danielleremp4328
@danielleremp4328 12 күн бұрын
Biden can't last another term. If he refuses to drop out, then a vote for him is a vote for Kamala Harris. To win voters’ confidence, he needs a more charismatic and dynamic running mate.
@Pietzu10
@Pietzu10 12 күн бұрын
Trump 2024
@kristinadutton3259
@kristinadutton3259 12 күн бұрын
Anyone who flips their vote for Biden because Trump seems mildly more articulate in one debate is not a thoughtful person.
@NotANameist
@NotANameist 12 күн бұрын
Oh it’s way beyond “mildly more articulate.”
@kristinadutton3259
@kristinadutton3259 12 күн бұрын
Trump could just as easily have had a bad night like he often does with interviews and at his rallies. Biden has a history of stutters and gaffs, presidents have a history of bad first debates for several reasons that clearly played out here in an “old man” version. But they are BOTH old and incoherent at times. One of them has been a great president and one wants to be dictator.
@plaguevictim1111
@plaguevictim1111 12 күн бұрын
@@kristinadutton3259 dont care, still voting trump
@upyorkstate5541
@upyorkstate5541 7 күн бұрын
Beware "The Walking Joe"!
@wethepeople2023
@wethepeople2023 12 күн бұрын
Nah. Trump 2024 😂
@ModernCentrist
@ModernCentrist 12 күн бұрын
After Biden's showing, it's probably going to be.
@elck3
@elck3 12 күн бұрын
@@ModernCentrist we can only hope, and make sure to vote when the day comes.
@BadOompaloompa79
@BadOompaloompa79 12 күн бұрын
Why do you hate America? Why do you want to end our democracy? Why do you want to be ruled?
@williamjameslehy1341
@williamjameslehy1341 12 күн бұрын
Simple as, full stop.
@Nateasnay
@Nateasnay 12 күн бұрын
F NY Times! Intifada forever!
@user-yz3gg7qr3o
@user-yz3gg7qr3o 8 күн бұрын
Vote for trump is a vote for project 2025 thanks fascism
@upyorkstate5541
@upyorkstate5541 8 күн бұрын
Vote for Biden is a vote for China. Thanks Communism
@timothyhogan3427
@timothyhogan3427 12 күн бұрын
We deserve better than being lied to by the NYTs.
@alexnumale1048
@alexnumale1048 11 күн бұрын
Ok. Still voting Trump though.
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