Except the cheap Taiwanese parts they put in it

@@mattyallen3396 Citation?

Yes

Uhhh yeah I'd hope so. LMT is one of the best AR-platform manufacturers out there. And one of the most expensive.

@@JokahFACE Meh, not that expensive, plus you're paying for something that will last you years.

No way you're dreaming mate 🤣give me my styr with irons an I'll outshoot these tacticools 😂versatile for putting lasers an torches on but in a firefight dependability I'll keep my styr cheers

@@krustygold1366 a rifle is a rifle. Arguing is pointless when it comes to the battlefield.

​@@krustygold1366 AUG is ultimately outdated. They don't really hold up over time particularly well either, cuz you know, polymer lol. Their triggers are inexplicably polymer as well.

​@@krustygold1366 your what??

The patch there would be the battalion patch, on the left there is the flag and generally a round kiwi patch although i'm seeing rank patches in some images

No longer legal here in NZ sadly.

@@igoravonich2013 You guys should have stood your ground. Even just an open protest with 10,000 strong outside your government would have made a huge difference. When a government disarms the population that's the point where citizens truly no longer have control of the government anymore, the government is free to become corrupt and oppressive. It's already happening in Australia, even if the mainstream media wants to stay hushed the world already knows

@@igoravonich2013 Join the army aside from the deployments and trainings, free rifle

They've made plenty of nice buys I think, especially when the current budgetary situation is taken into account

CAP did a good job on this one for sure. The selection process was more robust. Business case was sound and options analysis was complete. Good job!

javvy tuia r u going infantry? Feb 2018 intake? Thats my date. Best of luck to you dude

I'm going in as Infantry. 5th March is my intake if I'm accepted. Find out the end of Jan

if you are not going, on the 5th of march 18'' then it'll be the 16th july, that's when i'm going - nice to meet you :P haha

Still haven't found out yet :/ Hopefully within the next few days I get a call from them

Give them a call man. When did you pass your tests?

Carson Zabel In practice the designated marksman weapons of infantry sections quite often differ markedly in base appearance from those firearms carried by regular soldiers and less 'kinetic' specialists. When elements of contemporaneous military forces began to be more and more involved in COIN operations, often against highly unconventional forces, in the wake of the second world war and during the cold war, as opposed to conventional conflicts, this discrepancy between weapon types was often exploited by said insurgents in order to reduce the effectiveness of their enemies. Take, for instance, the evident contrast between the infantry weapons utilised in the infantry sections of the Red Army during the latter half of the twentieth century. The primary infantryman's rifle was the AKM while the designated marksmen role was facilitated in most cases by the SVD, a weapon which, despite some vague similarities to the AKM, otherwise possessed an entirely different form. In the war in Afghanistan this fact, which was often somewhat exacerbated by the poor quality of training enjoyed by many Soviet conscripts of the era, was exploited by the local insurgents who, as first hand accounts tend to attest, were easily able to distinguish between the regular riflemen and their deadlier marksmen brethren and eliminate them. This was often conducted via analysis of visual, not aural, signatures. In this instance (and as acts in contrary to what is often the case with designated marksmen weapons) the .308 is not easily distinguishable from the MARS-l, quality that primarily lends itself to the similarities in the superficial fixings of the weapons (I.e. overall black colour scheme, the same basic morphology etc). It is also worth noting that, unlike the majority of DMRs in military servoce, and especially in contrast to the British MODs variant of the same rifle, the .308 is outfitted for CQB, in the sense that it is both capable of firing from an open bolt and is fitted with canted BUIS (in a manner roughly analogous to the Bren).

​@@Josh-um3jr did you swallow a thesaurus by any chance??

105 NZLAVs in service...

@@leo_g1154 I should clarify, I mean something along the lines of Leopard 2, for example.

Jacinta Ardern is your Prime Minister and you have Chinese spies as members of the NZ Parliament, so... But Jacinta is very good at giving out free hugs.

@@wattlebough You seem a bit salty there, mate. Which COVID ravaged hellhole are you hailing from? Ah, never mind. Stay safe!

@Charlie Wootton without Air support (Fighters),all this fancy equipment is just a total waste of money and time. We can't always rely on the Australians or Americans to prop us up. Independent small modern and effective number of fighter planes,even attack helicopters would be vital. But NZ being a left leaning Country with a Socialist/Green Government this wont happen. Disaster relief and support for a more Intergrated force is all very well but will not work in the Tumultuous times that we face, With an agressive China,trying to take over more territory in the South China Seas. And the Pacific ,which will be next on their Agenda.

Primarch Mortarion they’ve adopted a short barrel version

Whatever the NZSAS needs, they get

I think they're opting for the QBZ-95

Specter DR's are reviled by the troops who actually use them. I have some friends on ODA's and the Elcan's were pretty much only given to the newest guys on the team while everyone else got the EOTechs and Aimpoint micros. The eye box at 1X is unforgivably bad, and it's the same when trying to make around-barrier shots at 4X. Plus they're heavy AF.

These have an option to do that with green an tan, guess it wasn't a priority. NZSAS and a few select other units personally cam their weapons to suit.

When i went up in July to Basic training we were the last group to use the Styer, The following group that started in i think Jan or Feb this year are the first groups in basic training to use this rifle. They're very lucky its much better !

airman Jack Yep

@@lesliedodds4011 dude, what?

A feature that is usually unused by riflemen in the field, where ammo conservation is king.

Katerina Kempb in Afghanistan a New zealand soldier shot a Taliban soldier threw his head and into the head of a Taliban soldier holding a RPG behind him.So it hurts.

@@starwarsfan6639 like I said ouch.

Ja

Thereddwarf 1 what

javvy tuia Yes, in other words. The new rifle is to be used by all three services.

Its the Standard Service Rifle. Glad the Kiwis still have those who want to serve, they'll need the extra men as 2,000 is hardly enough

​@@difficultinterest1582 2000 what?

the ADF could learn a thing or two from this, they just upgraded the steyr instead despite the slew of complaints about it being a bullpup

Very glad to hear they are replacing the Uniform as well

Apparently not. But the new EF88 does look great.

New Zealand's military is small and focused enough that they can afford to equip their few forces with Gucci force multiplier equipment. Remember that New Zealand's military is so small they practically don't have an Air Force anymore, unless you count the helicopters they have, as they don't even have combat jets anymore.

NZDF adopted a heavier 5.56mm round called the Mk262 from Black Hills. It's a 77 grain open tip bullet that's more accurate than M855 and harder hitting against flesh and blood.

The "world" thinking about high caliber weapon is, frankly, wrong. Mark Milley is very, very, very wrong. If he succeeds in bringing NGSW into service, it won't be to the benefit of the American infantryman.

The majority of the US Army & Marines want nothing to do with the higher caliber weapon systems. It's backwards thinking. The 5.56 is the perfect balance of lethality and capacity.

yes

tallman22 Just like the EF88. It has everything the MARS-L has except the adjustable butt stock, but with the 508mm/ 20” fluted free floating barrel and a total length of 802mm. It’ll make a difference in room clearing/ urban ops and CQB.

True but you cant replace them all the time. Budgets wont allow for it

DETECTIVE BEAR For one, the BAE RBAV-sf body armour, currently employed by New Zealand army personnel, was procured out of an initial UOR for modular body armour after a number of incidents against soldiers from the CRIB deployments in Afghanistan illustrated that the existing plate armour then in service was deficient and not fit for purpose. Secondly, the TBAS utilised by Australian soldiers was developed indigenously as a result of Australian combat experience in the Afghanistan war and was produced exclusively for use by Australian military personnel.

Thereddwarf 1 All i know is anything is better than mcbas !

We only spend 1% of our GNP on Defense if we spent 2% as most countries we would have more toys to play with.

yes it is

Full auto is hopeless, only good for the movies. 3 to 5 round bursts even with a machine gun with a bipod, pretty much everything after 5 is in the sky. So you want to hear pop,pop,pop GAP pop,pop pop in fast succession. Auto fire from an MG gives whats called a beaten zone that's why the MG goes on the side of an attack and higher ground if possible, gives a beaten zone across the front of the enemy.

Steyr submitted rifles for consideration, it was found to be inferior so they didn't go with it. Should've made a better rifle "best Bullpup on the Market" citation needed "Ergonomics of the Steyr" yeah, who doesn't love non adjustable stock or brass being thrown right into your shoulder firing left handed. not to mention heavier, less modular, worse trigger(because bullpup trigger linkage and Australian selector design) etc. The NZSAS has been using the m4 platform for years, only a matter of time before the whole army saw the light

DETECTIVE BEAR Agreed

The NZ Army opted to replace the Steyr rifle altogether due to problems such as stoppage and lack of effective range NZ troops faced in Afghanistan with it. Bayer, K. (2014). Hated army assault rifles unlikely to be sold - NZ Herald. Retrieved from www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11278332

The best bullpup on the market means nothing when you want the best rifle for your military.

Fortunately the people making the decision as to which platform to adopt and why are a lot smarter than you are

Was literally sorted that year...bet you still think the NH90s are grounded as well🤔

Joshua Odonnell wdym

Steyr submitted rifles for the trials and lewis was chosen anyway. Perhaps the Australians/austrians should've made a better rifle if they wanted to be picked. can't Balme the kiwis for going with the better performing platform

Actually, the NZ Army wanted to replace the Steyr AUG type rifles altogether due to issues they had with it in Afghanistan. According to them, the Steyr lacked effective range and was prone to stoppage (see link below). Besides, the Aussies also use the M4 Carbine and HK416, both of which are AR type rifles. Bayer, K. (2014). Hated army assault rifles unlikely to be sold - NZ Herald. Retrieved from www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11278332

Trekkie down under M4 will do nothing for range. It’s the fault of the cartridge, and carbine length barrels...

Why does everyone else assume the updated steyr used by the Australians is any better than anything other than the old steyrs?? Literally no one else has adopted them🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Appreciate that bro!

Haha what??

Around 450m seems to be the effective range for a 5.56x45mm round, so I'm assuming they're talking about the adjustable ACOG sight and any potential rangefinding capabilities it might have. The higher you aim, the further it'll go (if at a massive decrease in accuracy)

@James Why could they not just use the ammo in the AUG? Also whats so advanced with this AR?

he literally said it was due to everyone having an ACOG

@@Magiktcup This AR is inherently more accurate than almost any other service rifle around, and 90% of other AR15s. The barrel is free floated, meaning nothing is hanging on to it other than the bayonet lug (which isn't in use unless you're stabbing somebody rather than shooting, so big deal) and the gas block, which is unavoidable. Also, the entire upper receiver is one block of aluminum, with the barrel being held in by two screws very effectively, allowing barrel changes about as fast as on an AUG (except in an AR platform) and, additionally, meaning that you can't take your rifle, and swing it at rocks like a baseball bat and knock your handguard and top rails out of alignment with each other, because it's just one rail. This basically makes it impossible for one to knock their rifle so hard that their lasers on the front need to be zeroed again afterwards. This rifle is also truly ambidextrous, with all controls on both sides of the gun (safety selector, bolt hold open and release, magazine release, charging handle), and in fact the bolt catch is actually more convenient even for right handed shooters. Since it's an AR, even a lefty doesn't get to eat a mouthful of brass, and since everything is inherently ambidextrous, you don't need to change anything on the rifle to configure it for a lefty. Just hand it to him. Furthermore, the rifle has several reliability enhancements, such as a straight gas tube which won't wear in the normal bends during excessive automatic fire when it starts to melt, a changed gas port on the inside of the barrel which means that until the barrel is unshootable, gas port erosion won't actually increase the gas flow into the system over the barrel's entire life. In a normal M4 or M16, when the barrel finally becomes out of spec, typically the gas port has eroded enough that the cyclic rate of the weapon has increased to over 1,000 rounds per minute, after starting as low as 750. TL;DR This rifle is more accurate, durable in automatic fire, customizable, ambidextrous than any other service rifle on the planet. Also, the muzzle brake it comes with is is a quick attach base for a whole line of suppressors. This is straight up the exact rifle I want to replace the M4 and M16 in the US military.

@@superfamilyallosauridae6505 I agree with most of what you said but not all. " This AR is inherently more accurate than almost any other service rifle around" Agreed. Its probably number one as it stands right now. There are contenders sure. But yer probably the AR platform. I dont really like "free floating" barrel claims. Because most are not. Direct impingement, short stroke or long can never truly be free floating. Something like the G3 or FAMAS with their delayed blowback could make that claim however. "allowing barrel changes about as fast as on an AUG" No ive seen some videos on that rifle. Its nowhere near as fast as the AUG. Although lets be honest. The AUGs quick-change barrel is really cool but not that useful for your average user. " This rifle is more accurate, durable in automatic fire, customsable, ambidextrous than any other service rifle on the planet." "Most accurate"? agreed. Well the AR platform in general not necessary the MARS. "ambidextrous"? Well you can only get so ambidextrous. Theres plenty of rifles as good as the MARS in that department. "most customisable"? Again thats pretty up in the air. The AUG can go from an assault rifle to an LMG to a carbine and back again and moved its ejection port from right to left before the MARS has taken its two screws out. "durable"? No. Its direct impingement. Its the most inherently accurate gas system sure and stoners version of DI on the AR-15 is beautiful. But its not going to beat long stroke or short stroke in durability or reliability and stoner himself knew this which is why we have the AR-18. And the AUG basically has the AR-18 as its guts. That is probably my core issue with this. Switching from SS to DI. I highly doubt the MARS would defeat a HK-416 in a reliability or durability test. Im always open to changing my mind but if i had to bet money i would bet it all on the 416.

Sure has killed a lot of people

jb76489 Generally only up close, after multiple hits. You wouldn’t hunt pigs with it, so why hunt armed humans with it?

citation needed "You wouldn’t hunt pigs with it, so why hunt armed humans with it?" weird, its almost as if hunting and combat might just not be the same thing. Fucking weird that Last i checked, you don't really need suppressing fire against pigs, nor are you carrying the ammo for as long or as far as you would deployed Lastly, people do hunts pigs with 5.56

jb76489 Clearly you have no combat experience. Suppressive fire with 5.56mm is an oxymoron, it doesn’t work effectively. Hence the shift to 7.62mm lmg/gpmg again, like we used to have. 5.56mm also only gets its max velocity in 16” or longer barrels, therefore M4 type carbines are hobbled, and only marginally effective. FMJ 5.56 mm is notoriously useless, has been since the Falklands. Ask any veteran. The only reason it was ok in Vietnam was due to slow twist barrels. Modern fast twist means the projectile is over stabilised, zips straight thru, leaving .22 cal holes. No one sensible hunts dangerous pigs with 5.56mm, it’s generally illegal. Same with deer. 6mm on up is required. If they did use it they would likely use heavier and/or expanding bullets than mil 5.56mm too, and have good scopes and a stable firing position enabling head shots, unlike in combat. 5.56mm is crap re lethality. 7.62mm, altho unnecessarily large in a rifle, is back for belt fed small arms. Assault rifles need to be up calibred, hence 6.8Rem SPC and 6.5 Grendel, among others. M4 platform is as old as me, a tiquated. Very poor choice. Could at least have gone for a 16” barrel, and short stroke piston activation instead of direct impingement; also archaic and a poor combat operating system. Veteran

We just won't go to war with pigs then🤷‍♂️