It's great for that andy

I’ve got a garage but too much stuff in there to park a car in there and I have a big car so it would be tight anyway , I always do normal 2 bucket method outside and it can take me 2-3 hours for doing everything , I don’t have to race against a clock abc it’s not a problem

@@ImranAli-rp4kd I have to say it takes me at least 2 hours to do the exterior of my car even if I do it at a fairly good pace. I see loads of detailers on KZfaq claiming to do their car in a very quick time, say less than an hour, tbh I don't believe any of them. Let's be honest just doing the wheels and tyres properly can take up to 30 minutes. I've watched plenty of professional detailers, you know guys who actually do it for a living, and believe me they do NOT do a car in 1 hour! I've learned over the years to take KZfaq detailers claims on almost anything with a pinch of salt, let's not forget why they are even on KZfaq - to make money! It's becoming more and more obvious with certain channels that it's all about how much they can make and not always about being truthful, sooner or later they all sell out. Trouble is we are not all idiots and I'm sure they think we are mugs, but we see you guys and know exactly what your game is! Some of them just lose their way, some of them forget why people subscribed to their channel in the first place, some of them have no clue why people follow their particular channel! Some of the go 'all Hollywood' and let their egos take over, some of them reach a level of subscribers where they can churn out any old crap and make shed-loads of $£€ so they start doing exactly that, and some of them put stuff on their channel that has nothing to do with the channels original or claimed content just because they have hundreds of thousands of subscribers. And don't get me going on these new 'shorts' videos, I mean how many time do we need to see someone snowfoam a car? Answer is zero because we know how to snowfoam a bloody car! It teaches absolutely sod all and is a pure cynical money-making scheme. I hate what's happening, some great channels have totally lost their way! Then of course there are all the freebies they get for plugging certain companies and products, not to mention actual payments which don't get mentioned, it's become impossible to tell truth from fiction in KZfaq detailing-land these days making most of the content worthless. A pro-detailer who actually makes his living from that business but is willing to show you there actual real-life work as they do it is worth watching, Jim White from WhiteDetails being a great example or Sandro from Car Craft Auto Detailing, both pros with the highest standards of work who actually run a top-end detailing business. Feel free to copy and paste this on any detailing channel of your choice, it's time they realised we are not idiots and know exactly what they are doing!

@@steverabbits Yh your right it’s impossible to do just the exterior in a hour, some claim they can do inside and outside in a hour, quickest I can do the exterior is 2 hours but once I done all the dressing and other little things we talking close to 3 hours, I really thought I was slow but obviously not, I do watch Sandro and he can take a week to do a car including correction and protection and I do understand KZfaq and click bait and revenue and it’s hard to believe some things but obviously not everything

@@ImranAli-rp4kd Couldn't imagine spending 2-3 hours outside washing my car on my day off for it to get dirty again from the elements the next day.

@@ImranAli-rp4kd Iv done the exterior many times with a proper pre wash foam cannon bilt hamber, pressure washer, going around the car 6 times, hand wash, drying aid when drying, etc..in a little over an hour..ONR method im done in under 40 mins with full wheel and tire wash, without wheels and tires im done in 25 mins.

I use this method too! It reduces / removes contamination of the solution with all the dirt you just removed! Four microfibres and a 2 x drying towels and I am done. Really handy when I am away from home or on holiday.

I'm still just an idiot in my garage talking nonsense 😁

You are a genius; and please stop that talk about you being an idiot in your garage; some of us worship the ground you walk on, mate.

@@ForensicDetailing Can you recommend a car shampoo for heavy duty cleaning? which is the best quality? my car hasnt been washed in about 5 months and it is white :o

No idea what YL means

@@steverabbitsYvan Lacroix

My method with ONR is similar to yours Ben. Multiple clothes sitting in my ONR solution. Pre wash panel with solution in pump sprayer. I tend to squeeze most of the water out of the cloth before use.I then fold my cloth in to 8 and only use 1 side for 1 or 2 wipes depending on the panel. I always inspect the cloth after every wipe to see how much dirt is on it. I then use a clean side for the next wipe. When I’ve used all 8 sides the cloth goes in to a empty bucket for the washing machine. I’ve never had to re wet the panel before drying. I always start at the top of the car and work down. I know John’s car wasn’t that dirty but he cleaned the wing with ONR from the top to the bottom and then went back up again. You’ve more chance of marring doing this. I find ONR great for a summer evening mid week wash.

@@SuperDuncan67 yes that’s exactly the time when i tend to use it. I might give the microfibre wash and fold method a go next time. I’ve never had any marring issues and my cars got black paint so it would stand out like a sore thumb.

Yes it struggles with baked on grease/dirt/bugs as do all the other ph neutral car shampoos so what is your point ? As with the black sponge, if the dirt is not on the vehicle after using it, assume it's on the sponge.

@@MrViktordagur Dealing with your last comment first, when you dunk the dirty sponge back into the solution, the only real way to make sure that all the dirt has left the sponge is to visually inspect it, and trying to spot dirt on a black sponge is a bit challenging, obviously. In this video Jon questioned the degreasing abilities of these types of product, and that is the context in which I was making my point. If you've ever watched a video demonstration by Yvan Lacroix, he tends to dismiss snow-foam (more specifically ph neutral snow foam which tends be what is favoured by the North American market) and then go on to claim that rinseless washing is "better" than the usual snow-foam pre-wash followed by a 2 bucket contact wash. So my point is, in a recent McKee's demo he reached for an APC to deal with bugs and grease thus contradicting his previous position. But, although I don't like his hyperbole, I still like using these types of products in certain scenarios (I have both ONR and McKee's).

@@KojakKronos i agree that ONR has poor degreasing to no degreasing ability. I can see it especially on a white car after it has rained and there is a film of grime on the car. During the summer, not an issue as the dirt is usually dry. Optimum Power clean is needed. I normally ONR wash first to get rid of any abrasive dirt on the car. Then follow up with Optimum power clean sprayed on surface, and wiped around with an ONR damped towel. I don't remember having decreasing issues with Car Soap, even if it is Ph neutral.

I would not say the black one is useless. Seeing the direst is trivial really with this method IMO.

I've always thought the same thing. I can go up to a vehicle with absolutely no water sheeting ability and it will bead up when I'm done using it lol

Can you explain the methodology here? You use standard shampoo in your wash bucket but then rinse your sponge in a bucket with ECH2O? What are the benefits here?

@@ImBarryScottCSS two totally different wash mitts. Clean water with ECH20 and a clean mitt.

Ech2o as a rinseless is better then both ONR and N914. The wipe off is so nice, no resistance.

Don't you find haze afterwards?

N-914 Works better at cleaning cars, ONR works better at cleaning buckets

@@blahz7152 exactly, better yet try DIY Detail Rinsless wash, in my opinion the best on the market, similar to N-914 but better cleaning power, faster, releases dirt better from the wash medium

When did they start making ONR with the new formula?

Absolutely agree with you Chris. I've been trying ONR, Feynlab amnd Wolfgangs - I never wash it without doing a pre-soak (with the rinseless product) and then rinse with the pressure washer. The one time I've tried it without doing a pre-rinse with the pressure washer I have pre-soaked and let it dwell, then hit it again with more pre-soak before the contact wash - I'd never do it on a dry panel, that's gotta be a recipe for disaster. Following Yvan Lacroix's approach I also spray the panel with the rinseless wash product in it's QD concentration prior to drying.

It won’t scratch but it leave swirl marks

@@jal7068 generally it won't do any more damage than a regular 2 bucket wash IF you use the correct process. I wouldn't use cloths for example (I did when I started doing it but now I use a MF pad) and, if really dirty, rinse the pad out after one pass on each side. And you pre-soak the panel, and you have plenty of wash solution in the pad...and you use a QD to aid the drying.

in2detailing supersaurus

I've been doing some KZfaq research and several chaps have confirmed a chenille noodle would be OK.

Not sure m8. Would need to see it

That guy would seem more trustworthy if he didn’t have 3+ brands where he sells the same stuff under different labels. Plus he looks like a pure snake oil salesman. ONR works but I’m just saying he doesn’t give the best vibe

This sounds like a better method with the pre rinse to minimise swirl marks and similar to what I've been thinking. I'll probably even use 2 buckets - one for the top section and the other for the lower section.

@@koolkat969 that works. Don't use a second bucket with water though it'll dilute the mixture too much

@@motiOn732 Sure....not using a second bucket with water to rinse the mitt. Cheers

yes mate imran has it, link in description try the discount code too.

i was really pleased with the results. I will never do a full wash process with ONR or 914 but I will do what I did today again. IE just gentle wipe over in 5 minutes to make car like 90% clean.

@@ForensicDetailing did a maintenance wash on mine yesterday, got the same effect on my car as the original you did, with dirty rain last night, need it clean for a funeral tomorrow, so it’s a toss up between Touchless or ONR

Rinse less are really good at not degrading existing wax.. but I prefer a full proper wash if I'm going to relax. It won't be clean enough with rinse less

you do not have the means to test cleaning power or gloss so at best your speaking anecdotally. materials that leave nothing behind cannot effect gloss unless they burnish clearcoat like an abrasive. your talking "hype" language and that isnt the way we roll. the first thing I would do is compare costs of all these products and I tend to recomend the ones that give people value as well as performance. I suspect all these products use the same underlying surfactant and have small variations in the rest.

Yeah same experience here. Been using ONR for a year or so and recently used Mckees, I found it was a little shampoo like in that it foamed up in the bucket a little where as ONR barely does and where I missed a couple of drips here and there it dried a bit like a traditional shampoo, this isn’t the case with ONR in my experience and I definitely find ONR encapsulates which is appealing.

@@pat_rickb8523 maybe try just a bit less product in the dilution? I've noticed it seems a bit hit and miss on exactly what your describing. Was just thinking it was me messing up dilution . Which is pretty stupid proof. But yeah I think it's a hit and miss. When I first used it , it didn't suds up and seemed to work a bit better than it does now. Maybe it doesn't do to well with storage?

@@conwaysdetailing387 yeah good point. I’ll keep experimenting, I do like it but for me it won’t replace ONR it’s just a little better based on the experiences I’ve had so far.

@@pat_rickb8523 I may try it next time, about out of McKees

either of these then mate

Echo I find dries in the panel too easily

@@ForensicDetailing you definitely won’t enjoy Feynlab then. You just have to work in sections.

Elevated Shine, did you use Drying Aid with Feynlab Rinseless so ?

What is your oz/gallon H2O ratio for ech2o? Seemed too rich for me for 1 or 2 gallon of solution and microfibers

@@XBOW83 I do, I like the extra lubrication

hey Henry :) likewise mate what a day that was, great to meet you as well.

i will get around to it mate.

ONR is designed to release the dirt and take it to the bottom of the bucket. I’m using OP’s product right now but I miss this feature of ONR.

@@tommyholt3465 I’m glad other people are experiencing this too. Onr definitely pulls it down much better than 914. Makes for a cleaner solution if you do one bucket method

Dirt is releasing it into the ONR too, but N914 holds it in suspension while it is dropping to the bottom of the ONR bucket. Split a car down the middle, wash one side with ONR and the other side with N914. The ONR bucket will look much cleaner. But if you pour them out slowly, you will see all the dirt at the bottom of the ONR bucket when compared to N914.

yes m8 its just surfactant really

@@ForensicDetailing excellent! I'll give it a try. Love the channel!!

That's the best method imo if you go rinsless. Or what I do is wash the car like normal than I use the rinsless wash as a drying aid. I just got the mckees because it doesn't leave polymers and my car has a gtechniq coating so I don't want extra polymers

very similiar mate even the AG dilution ratio works out about the same.

yes m8

No tryed m8

Not true

The surface will still be dirty even with a cleaner mitt. So you have to trust it.

Fine but not crystal clear

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