Guys, he's demonstrating a stance that focuses on accuracy over anything. In a case where accuracy is paramount, this is what you want. It's also like he said, it's to eliminate fatigue if you have to hold the stance for extended periods of time. The square off, lean forward stance is great for pistols; or with rifles closer range timed/reaction. The trade off is that this technique will fatigue you quicker. They are different tools for different situations.

The reason why many use the support grip you described is because it gets the gun directly over the arm, keeping the support arm as straight up and down as possible with minimal tilt with respect to the vertical axis. You want the support arm with minimal to no angle, straight up an down as possible because you don't want any of the weight of the gun pull your support arm in any direction, thereby affecting the hold.

BTW, epic video. Short graphic/audio intro, incredible lighting (easy on the eyes, no distracting shadows), great background that puts the emphasis on you the speaker, great speaking pace and more. This will be the "bar" for my own future videos.

Thanks for this video, all the guys who work at my local range have been coaching me to shoot like a SWAT officer in a movie. After copying your stance I improved my score from my previous best of 59/100 to an 86/100 on the 25 yard bullseye target I use.

Great demonstration. Thanks for putting this up.

When I started service rifle, I was shooting mid 60s or worse offhand. The thing that helped me the most was ceasing to shoulder the rifle. I started resting the toe of the stock on my clavicle and canting the sights inward to my eye. This allowed me to keep my neck completely straight and in line with my spine, which did wonders for my balance and consequently my holds. When I combined that with more natural point of aim drills, I jumped to shooting mid 90s offhand in less than a month.

i learned so much watching this, i have been wavering like a leaf in the wind when i have been shooting this is going to improve my aim

These are the same concepts I used in the Marine Corps for rifle qualification. These stances are for long range precision shooting these are not combat shooting positions. I shot expert every qualification. For those who don't know that is the highest you can score.

Thanks for the info, I'm going to try to apply this to my scoped Mosin, which is heavy for me. I tried something similar to this before, and even though it felt right I almost felt it was wrong just because I had the mindset of lightweight AR shooting.

Great video sir! I was looking to improve my firing from standing technique - this was very helpful!

Great video. Thank you for sharing with us!

Nice clear explanation. Thanks

@ocabj Great videos, great shooting and an amazingly kind and response to @willbackb4 comments. It's obvious that you apply your shooting discipline to other aspects of your life and that is a rare and valuable trait.

No, you need to lean back slightly. That creates the bone support for the upper body, specifically the arm/elbow to rest against the torso. It also has the effect of bringing the weight of the rifle over closer to the center of your hips, supporting all that weight. If you want to shoot tactical aka 'dynamic' rifle/carbine, then yes, forward lean will be fine since you're in a dynamic situation. But I'm specifically addressing skeletal support for accuracy/marksmanship.

cool video. my friend linked me. it makes sense. after a full day of shooting my arms get super tired too. i found that when i need a really steady shot, (i dont have IS) i hold the end of the bottom sunshade cut outs. i press the left cut out with my thumb, and right cut out with pointer finger and grip the lens. the support will be body of the cam and end of the lens rather than body/tripod collar. i also press the cam into my face to keep it more steady instead of trying to hold up the lens.

Thank you for creating this video! Its very helpful.

Excellent video!

Great video..... I learned something new and useful.

Excellent video... thanks man!

Thanks ocabj! I practice this position @ 25yrds, I hit all dead center shoots with tight groupings.

great video.

Awesome video. Thanks!

Great video...very informative,ypu should keep'em up

Awesome tip, I assume it will work with bullpups as well. I guess the first combat position is for when you are on the move, or will be firing fully automatic, and the Skeletal Support position is when you are shooting semi auto and have to be very precise.

Outstanding!

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Great demonstration of both rifle and camera form. Looking at another post saying you would "never use" outside of competition, don't believe it. I have use this stance in Africa and North American with great success even with hard kicking 375 H&H.

Thanks for the video....definitely seems like a nice technique, but it'd have been good if you'd also demonstrated using the focus ring with your left hand while you were at it.

Hey bro, you just solved a huge problem I had shooting my AR standing.

That form is what I have used successfully when hunting game at longer distances with my R700 in 308. It seemed most stable and natural to me, and I try to avoid gripping the fore-end of the stock, as it seemed to add in more horizontal wobble. It looks kinda silly, but man does it sure work.

For an AR to be legal for Service Rifle competition, it has to be a 20". I don't think contour matters, as long as it will work with A2 handguards and an A2 front sight base (of course, you can use a free float tube underneath the A2 handguards).

Do you think there would be a market for a hand support that would attach to the tripod mount on the lens. It would be similar to had supports that go on Olympic style rifles on the rails. You might not be able to focus though. hmmm small touch switch and rubber band driven by a small motor could do it. or it could be a manual little belt loop system.

Lol, so many people tend to do a double take when they see me shooting with my support arm vertical and close to my body (as opposed to the "folk wisdom" of an extended support arm, which I suppose may have its place when doing close quarter/tactical shooting). And adding to the "strangeness", with an AR-15, I tend to "pronate" (ie, facing away from the body) my wrist as opposed to the "normal" supinated position that people are used to seeing, with my hand open (fingers NOT wrapped around the rifle), palm up, and thumb extended to the point where it could just touch my left shoulder...I mean, I can see how it would look unconventional, and I can definitely see how it would be an impractical stance for shooting in a fortified position where anyone could pop up against you at any angle...On the other hand, I suppose most folks aren't used to having to get into a position where their bone structure allows them to consistently hit a 4 MoA target standing off hand with no sling...

@Sturmmann for sure, I have shot with a glove and jacket smallbore prone quite a while ago, I think I was 12 or something like that, amazing how steady you can get, how does the jacket help in standing though? from my experience, the glove and jacket just make having the sling bearable and extend the ammount of time you have before your hand goes blue :)

hey man, all youre videos are well made and very informative. im a long range varmint shooter but im wanting to get into high power stuff. i just had a couple questions. who makes the shooting glove that you use on your support hand? and where is a good source to find a shooting coat. im trying to get decent equipment, but not break the bank. im a young guy with a single income, a wife and three youngsters. I get a lot of stuff from sinclair's, but i dont think they have the coats.

good job

First off, awesome video. It's tremendously useful for me as someone starting out in high power. It was my understanding that the A2 and the F marked A4 FSB's were both legal. Am I mistaken?

I remembered this position in JROTC high school that I shoot... It's for air rifle target shoot... It's hard to use it in .223 rd

You are the first YT video I've seen use a chamber flag...kudos on the safety.

My hand goes in front, actually. Browse my other videos. There's a side profile video of me in live fire standing.

My "badge" is nine years as an Army sniper. Dropping the elbow down to your side relieves stress on the firing arm.

That's interesting. I see that when your holding the camera, your thumb is inward of your body,and your fingers are to your left, on the lens. I was showed to hold a rifle the same way to avoid a figure-eight type sway. Although we were only using a BB rifle. It dramatically improved my accuracy. I'm wondering what your thoughts are on this?

it depends if ur shooting bladed if bladed lean back but push forward if not bladed lean forward

Also thought I should mention another thing Bone Support is important for. Rock climbing. In rock climbing one of the biggest mistakes made is when people want to constantly be on their arm muscles and wear themselves out (its funny the bulkier the climber the worse they usually are at this too). Keeping your arms straight and resting on your bones as much as you can is key to conserving energy. I'm sure this applies to many other practices as well.

@Baccillus99 yeah that's what i thought at first. but i believe that they put weights in the rear so that they aren't front end heavy. balance would be more important than weight especially since you use skeletal support...not muscles. right ocabj?

"Service rifles" can carry internal modifications for accuracy, so long as they do not make the rifle unsafe or interfere with the operation of the gas system. Some competitions have a minimum trigger pull External modifications are pretty limited. Some competitions are "As-Issued," which don't allow nearly the level of modification.

do you have a vid on how to shoot from sitting and kneeling? Canadian Shooter

you didn't safety check your camera. Scary!!! Great video. I am a rifle enthusiast and found your video very informative

is that just for heavy guns and sport shooting?

Good vid. I've seen others use this technique without the explanation. In the position at 6:06 and 6:10, how would a heavy recoil such as a 7 mag affect you with a normal 8-9 pound rifle?

How are you going to hold the rifle like that when the magazine is fitted, you have your hand over the magazine well?

my friends told me that my shooting form was strange (although i shoot better and farther). now i'm glad to know that i'm not the only one.. :)

@ocabj i can't obtain a pattern even after the rest, a lot of sgt's tell me about "if you learn the pattern, it should be all downhill from there" but it just goes all around the place, i rest and remounted several times to attempt one target but like..the sight's refuse to go where it needs to go even after breaks or what not.. maybe its the weight of the rifle or im not standing correctly =\ i just can't figure it out.

i keep trying and trying i can't seem to improve my standing position i don't see any patterns when i aim i just wobble all over the place, i can't keep it stable :/ i can shoot prone and kneeling just fine but standing..

Ocabj, how do I correct my eye sights? Sometimes when I look down my iron sights, the front sight and the target becomes fuzzy?

very useful. thanks

opmike343 is correct. Recoil reduction does not increase accuracy. Recoil reduction will allow you to reset back on target faster for a faster follow up shot, but that does not mean your gun will gain accuracy.

Great video. Are you an instructor? You present your points very well. I hope to get involved in NRA highpower once the ammo frenzy settles down. I would really like to order one of those CMP Garands.

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Very helpful for me- now my shooting technique is improving, and maybe I'll go fiddle with a camera, too.

So should your left elbow be going in towards your belly button/ across your stomach when in your shooting stance.

My son just started to participate in competition shooting - and we love this video - Do you have a video for Pistol shooting technique as well? Very informative - thank you :)

does a compensator affect accuracy?

if you were shooting with a more powerful caliber, like .308, would you modify at all for more shoulder contact, or would you keep it as you show there? or is more contact a question of stock choice? thanks. great vid.

Well, I won't argue. Thanks for correcting me, sorry if I wasted time. I suppose this will be useful information for someone like me, who is becoming a gunsmith.

hmm, to better the stance (in rifle shooting at least), I preferr to stick my left hip out and rest my elbow more of less directly on it, it looks camp, but it really does work!

I've seen some poorly installed muzzle brakes, or otherwise haphazardly. Friend of mine had a Smith Enterprises muzzle brake installed on an M14 and it shot significantly worse than the Springfield Armory Inc factory brake (for California). At least an extra half MOA on the groups at 200 yards. Definitely not good.

Unless designed to decrease muzzle climb, of course, that would increase the rifles accuracy.

Being able to take a follow up shot faster with a rifle that recoils less than another isn't a measurement of accuracy. Even if you argue that the reducing effect of recoil eliminates anticipation of recoil (flinch), that's still an issue of operator error, not the gun's accuracy. The gun is still accurate as without a muzzle brake. It's going to shoot the same size groups as without. If it doesn't due to operator error, that's not the fault of the gun. So you can't say the gun is not accurate.

This is my "rifle" this is my "gun"...nice video

A muzzle break has the effective of reducing felt recoil; it won't increase the mechanical accuracy of the rifle.

@johnpatrick818 Don't be ignorant. What you said is true, a gun is the generalized name. But in this case, when talking about how to properly fire a gun, both safely and accurately, the proper name would be a weapon. Regardless if you're shooting a target or a person, in this usage of the gun, it's a weapon. If you still disagree, I'm pretty sure we can both agree to disagree that it's a rifle.

m16a2 service rifle is 7lbs , 10 lbs with the m203 granade launcher

I was wondering how it could ever weight 19 pounds before he mentioned the lead weights.

i just don't see how so much awkwardness standing can be proven.. just a crazy stance to me i believe 75% weight should be forward over left foot if right handed

Update @ 50yrds.. i'm getting tight groups and some occasional outliers... Practice practice practice!

Rifle shooters need to keep in mind he's demonstrating a target shooting stance that you would never really use outside of competition. That leaning back stance is horrible for rapid fire and/or high power. But, if you need to make an extremely accurate shot from the standing position, it's just about the only way to do it. Go out and practice this - rapid fire at 200 yds at a man-sized target (you'll find the 'normal' stance effective) - then try to hit that same target in a 6-inch area (you'll find the leaning back stance much easier). When I took up photography, I understood this naturally - the leaning back stance works really well for holding a camera, because you need accuracy and stability, NOT target acquisition speed.

The position at 04:00, for sure is an unstable and truly "unsupported position," for making an accurate shot. I test up to 75 men, women, and children in a week, in rifle shooting, and assure this is the case. Just as a side note, however, if the target is moving, e.g. skeet, trap, sporting clay, that forward position is ideal as it allows for rapid pivots in up, down, left, right directions. That may also be applicable with e.g. close up sport photography eh?

I use em too... cheap $1.50 each I buy 5 at a time and give them away to friends at the range

@FrostyDevilx It's a gun. Use dictates whether something is a weapon, not some magical property inherent to otherwise inanimate objects. A firearm, a bow, an axe, a knife, a baseball bat, a boxcutter, pen/pencil, etc. can all be weapons. Or, they can be tools of recreation and/or utility.

I'm marking 4:50 for my personal reference.

Service rifle competition? I didn't know M16A2/4s came with 20" match grade stainless steel barrels? I'm joinin' the Army and gettin' me one of those! :P All joking aside, I've been wondering what the rules are on what qualifies as a "service rifle" at CMP competitions? (I realize I can probably just look this up on the CMP site...)

Will this work with my rem mod 700 in .300 WM? What will happen when I put the butt of my rifle that high on my shoulder ?

If designed well and installed correctly, the accuracy should not be affected.

Okay, so it increases the users accuracy, but it is a feature on the rifle, therefore it is increasing the guns accuracy in a different manner.

I might be a wimp here but personally I don't like using the magazine for a support after seeing how some of the failures occur with overpressured rounds. What happens is the magazine blows out and the way I see it if your hand is there that too is going to get messed up. While the chance of your rifle blowing up is one in a million, I just wouldn't take that chance putting my hand there.

commentors: "right, wrong," with shooting doesn't exist. "Options" are what exist and you have to find what works best for your unique physiology. The same applies for firearm and ammunition selection and more.

I wouldn't even say you are shouldering the stock. You're holding it almost like a bazooka.

When is stand like this at the range, people think I never shot before hehe

Why does a 20" ar weigh 18 pounds. Maybe I misheard you, but 18 pounds dude, on a completion gun? Great video by the way!

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How about reading the title of the video.

your like a ripped version of eric koston

Good thing it was made so clear it wasn't loaded, I was so afraid of getting shot while watching this video because there is a gun in it. But, where did the gun go? OH NO, Its probably walking around loading itself and hurting people as he talks about the camera... He's such an irresponsible gun owner.

this is the old swiss way of shooting!!

This is close to a typical European standing target shooting stance. Check out any biathlon competition. Most target shooters in the traditional rifle shooting sports use this position. Biathlon kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bs1gZKqWxJ60gYk.html

@willblackb4 I seriously hope that you aren't "coaching" anyone in real life. While they both might utilize AR pattern rifles, High Power target shooting requires a different skill-set than tactical shooting. If you'd take a second to stifle that reflexive rage of yours, you would have realized this. Tucking the rifle in, dropping the arm, the forward lean, and squaring up the target is the most effective "tactical" means of putting rounds on target. High power comp is simply different.

It's not a gun, it's a weapon.

5:22 Zyzz Brah

your leaning back, you should be leaning forward slightly