You actually got a "guffaw" out of me on that one. :-) heh heh

Hmmm, I'm not familiar with the "guffaw". What sort of reaction is it?

Cawing sort of laughter. Quirky, but heartfelt, as opposed to a cackle or snicker. Not sure why it was placed in quotes there.

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Instablaster.

"Oll" in Middle Irish is not "all," but rather "great."

This would also make a lot of sense.

Nope

@@Fronverjl you can't just negate someone's hypothesis or theory without giving any evidence or reason as to why you disagree xD

@@qwxzy1265 well föðr is genitive of faðr and fróði is a totally different thing and it means wise. It’s not that hard to figure out.

@@Fronverjl I know basically nothing of old Norse or Icelandic (yet), so...

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Hello there! Hehe yeah I follow Dr. Crawford. I don't usually make comments on KZfaq but when something is really interesting I just leave my opinion or something :p hehe great to know you also see my content ^^ cheers!

Yes yes, we know that wōđanaz was the proto-germanic name for this deity, which was not from Scandinavia, but from Germanic regions of central Europe. The Lombards/Longobards worshipped this deity as Wōdan or Godan, for instance. A death god linked to the feeling of raging madness of battle. Later on with Germanic tribes invading Scandinavia they brought the cult of Odin, or rather, their Wodanaz was named Odinn by the Scandinavians. The Cult of Odin was already practiced in the north (Scandinavia) at the beginning of the 6th century, and that is perhaps the date when he was introduced in the north, before that there aren't archaeological findings concerning Odin, although some state that the Bronze Age rock engravings at Tanum, Sweden, there is a depiction of "Odin". Just because it's one single engraving of a deity with a spear, so it's called "Odin" but it's not actually a plausible factor that leads us to a "Odin" before the cult was introduced in Scandinavia during the 5th-6th centuries A.D. The names of Odin, which you can read the list in the Prose Edda, you will notice the translations and see that those are quite specific "fields of expertise" that had nothing to do with the Original functions of Odin. Seems more like local deities were syncretized into Odin himself, making Odin a single god that adopted many other local cults to specific deities to facilitate the adoption of Odin in Scandinavia.

Hehe thank you so much ^^

For ancient ppl these were not names but rather symbolic descriptions of some personified characters. When we say "odin" we see it as a name but they thought of it as "crazy_one". We simply transliterate foreign words without knowing or understanding their meanings, which in every case come from the context of the story. In other story this character was called "alfodr" because he was described as fatherly figure, or dead man ... well, just read the story. This is very obvious in religious texts, f.e: "moses" is Latinized/Westernized word that should be translated as "drawn"...because 'he was drawn/pulled out from waters, "aaron" means 'another', "freya/frigg" = beloved, "hebrew"= from across( the river , land) ...and so on.

Snorri was not a monk or priest or anything of the sort; he was a lawyer, a politician, historian and poet.

Yes, you're right, my apologies... However I came up with Snorri being a monk I will never know, perhaps a conflation of different things somewhere. Or perhaps I took him being a Christian simply a tad further. I've edited that part.

Gondolin, Boromir....

Could it be that alfoðr is a merɡe of alf and oðr? Elf + Óðr (Old Norse for the "Divine Madness, frantic, furious, vehement, eager", as a noun "mind, feeling" and also "song, poetry"?

The word that you are using for bride there looks like it could be brother.

The word for brother in Old Norse and Icelandic is bróðir (nominative singular), bræðr/bræður (nominative plural). It does not contain the letter ú in any of it's forms. After doing a a little bit of research it does not seem that the word brúður is related to it. It's a word that has cognates in other germanic languages but does not seem to have cognates in other Indo-European languages. Source (It's in Icelandic): malid.is/leit/br%C3%BA%C3%B0ur#collapseExampleordsifjabok Úrdráttur úr heimild/excerpt from source: Orðið [brúður] er samgerm., en virðist ekki eiga sér samsvörun í öðrum ie. málum, á t.d. tæpast neitt skylt við lat. Frutis, aukn. Venusar, eða lith. martì ‘tengdadóttir, brúður’. Orð um brúði í öðrum ie. málum eru af margvíslegum toga. Rough translation of the icelandic text above: The word [brúður] is commonly germanic but does not seem to have a correspondence in other Indo-European languages, it is unlikely that it has any relation to the Latin. Futis, Venusar or Lithuanian marti ' daughter in law, bride'. Words for a bride in other Indo-European languages are of many different kinds.

Sir Percival the Gallant, interesting.

In Norwegian bridegroom is "brudgom", i.e very close to old English bridegome.

I'll throw in the Swedish brudgum here then. Germanics unite 😉

I came to this exact conclusion. (Could it be that alfoðr is a merɡe of alf and oðr? Elf + Óðr (Old Norse for the "Divine Madness, frantic, furious, vehement, eager", as a noun "mind, feeling" and also "song, poetry"?)

Kinda interesting how people often don't know the Saxons and other continental Germanic tribes worshipped the same deities as the "Vikings" which isn't a group of people in the first place lmao. It's like saying Ninja are any Japanese farmer.

@@casthedemon do you mean to say the Saxons and such also worshipped Thor and Odin and such pre-Christianity wise? If so thats interesting.

@@collinb.8542 yeah that's pretty well documented actually. They were worshipped as far south as northern Italy.

​@@collinb.8542 They worshipped them by different names more akin to their old Germanic roots, for instance Woden=Odin, Thunor=Thor, Tyr=Tiw.

My thoughts as well . meaning head of the family not birthing of family .

Could it be that alfoðr is a merɡe of alf and oðr? Elf + Óðr (Old Norse for the "Divine Madness, frantic, furious, vehement, eager", as a noun "mind, feeling" and also "song, poetry"?

He didn't create them, but he.. let's say, gave them children? expanded the flock so to speak, regardless of that mankind is referred to as "sons of heimdal" not "sons of Odin" so i guess there's some personal interpretation to be done. I've always thought it was a little odd that Odin get all the credit for Ask and Embla when his brothers were just as big parts of the creation of Ask, Embla and the world of man as Odin were, which has made me always think that Odin wasn't the allfather, atleast not in a sense of paternal father of mankind, especially with the amount of imagery used throughout the Eddas

There are a few possible translations for tyrfingr, but if it's "tyr fingr" and not tyrfi -ingr, then it literally means "finger of god/tyr" which would make sense since it's the name for a magical sword.

It wasn't actually until after the general christianization of Scandinavia that people started to legitimize their claim to the thrones via divine relations, it was build on the idea that the prechristian gods were mortal conquerers venerated to godhood, thus being the legitimate heirs to the rule of man, Heimdal is and will always be the father of mankind and its different social groups, from slaves to kings, what people did way after the fact has no bearing on what the word meant to the people who believed in Odin as a god and not an ancestor.

Father has for a long time been a term of respect.

Father has for a long time been a term of respect.

I can see that- you can be a "creator of our worlds" without being a "creator of everything in existence, ever." (I always thought about this too- probably my early Christian upbringing made me balk at "Whaaa? Odin has a.... dad?" Now I'm quite comfortable with it, but it seemed strange at first.)

In the Prose Edda there is a reference to him being the son of nine sisters that is thought to be from a poem about his exploits called Heimdalargaidr. The poem is mostly lost and may have given us further details of his parenthood. From Gylfaginning; "Of nine sisters I am the child, of nine sisters I am the son."

Like Merlin born from the 9th wave.

Ok, we know who his mothers were, but what about the father? Or one doesn't need a father if they have 9 mothers?

@@CharlesOffdensen There are hints that it might be Odinn but I haven't found a definite answer, one way or the other, yet.

I had a similar conclusion. Could it be that alfoðr is a merɡe of alf and oðr? Elf + Óðr (Old Norse for the "Divine Madness, frantic, furious, vehement, eager", as a noun "mind, feeling" and also "song, poetry"?