At 29:08 You show a wigwam alongside a modern "teepee burner". The latter is a very large structure used to burn off scrap wood at pulp mills in the late 20th century. Not a dwelling !

Love the documentary itself, but please get a better closed captioner. Then you'll have a subscriber.

Should History Hit and Odyssey really be offering the babbling of young earth creationist James Nienhuis? Come on, guys, let's stick to science, please.

@@bjdefilippo447 This is the original video from elsewhere 2 yrs ago. They might have it. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f9GVqaRm1aqUnHk.html

Do you have a more recent related content, if so, please advise. Thank you, Beth Bartlett Sociologist/Behavioralist and Historian

True

Archaeologists still find partly or entirely underwater stone buildings, etc. around the world.

@@tymanung6382 True

That would make sense. Even now I think it's something like 40% of the world's population (or 40% of cities, sorry I can't remember which offhand) live near or on the coast, and those that aren't are most often by rivers and lakes for easy access to water, fishing, trade, transport and tourism.

@@PoppyFlux I think the proportion is well above that.

But we don't. Thats the kicker. 90 percent of the worlds population always lived in coastal cities. There would be so many more than what we have found

It's been estimated by scientists that the ocean levels were up to 400 feet lower than today. 400 FEET !!! Just imagine what's to be found!!

@@sloppyfloppy79 We don’t?! Maybe you didn’t find any,but there is enough evidence of huge cities now submerged all along the ancient coast line. The water level rose about 400 feet after the cataclysm

Sloppy Floppy, There are many civilizations found underwater, there is a large city underwater off the coast of India. Most of the cities and communities lost under the rising waters are covered by sand and/or marine life growth. 99% will never be uncovered, unfortunately.

@@joesands8860 There’s also a huge city with pyramids north of Cuba in a depth of ~ 750m, and in the mediterranean sea there are about ~ 50 cities found by scanning the sea floor

Great observation. Imagine how little of our software tools and semi conductor tech will survive 10,000 years from now.

@@blaiseutube I wouldn't even give it 100 years. As we use more and more precious metals in electronics, the incentive to destroy them to recover those precious metals increases. Hell, people already make profitable hobbies recovering gold from electronics that are only a few years old. First generation iPhones are already becoming rare and they aren't even 20 years old.

Excellent insight. When you see how difficult it is to produce metal items from ore to finished product, and how expensive they would be, it seems beyond insane that metal was just thrown away. It's more likely to be reworked and any items that do survive were lost or sacrificial offerings.

@@blaiseutube "Imagine how little of our software tools and semi conductor tech will survive 10,000 years from now" Depends on what you mean. Worked silicon isn't going to just degrade on its own - it probably won't be usable, but it will still be recognisable.

@@Dover78 "As we use more and more precious metals in electronics, the incentive to destroy them to recover those precious metals increases" We are not using more now than before - we have always used precious metals in electronics, and a lot of it is simply going into landfills and always has. Recycling electronics is complicated and expensive well beyond the financial returns of simply mining new material from the Earth. It won't be until those resources start running dry that the financial benefit will be seen as viable in a capital driven world.

Please, view Ancient Thrace An Open Door to Immortality...treasures of Thracians, who were first mentioned in the Iliad of Homer as allies of Troy together with Anatolian populations. Thracian inscriptions of Samothrace are compared to Anatolian languages written in Greek characters + special letters for non-Greek sounds. Sanskrit words were found in Romanian, largely a Romance language after the Roman conquest of Dacia at 106 AD by Trajan Nerva.

Only watch reputable posts, not junk like this one.

those who make the vids haven't heard of archeology

@@PanglossDr nothing is junk. You can learn from every Point of View and every video. But I beleive the Huns are the ancestors of Summerians. There Will be evidences coming up

If your evidence upsets the status quo or rather what they want us to believe you're findings will either be berried and discredited... The experts don't like to be proven wrong and many will go to great lengths to ensure that doesn't happen... You can tell who these self proclaimed "Experts" are by their claim that any contrary facts are "misinformation", "a conspiracy theory", "science deniers", "heretics" etc....

@@PanglossDr found the guy who arrested Galileo. How did that "reputable source" turn out again?

And how old do you think this is?

@@Givemeabreak-56 maybe within the past 10 years?

I'd guess 1990's. I remember this show on one the of History/Discovery type channels a long time ago. Think it was the first well done, with evidence, TV documentaries on the Black Sea and the theories about it. Still a good show.

@@michellerenner6880 I would guess 80s 320 resolution

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I've been to Constanta as well. It was a Greek city state in antiquity. You were probably diving the old Greek port, the water level was much lower all over the world two millennia ago. All ancient ports are now underwater.

@@billfrehe6620 After the Greeks it was a Roman port called Tomis. Later renamed Constantza after Emperor Constantine. I found a bunch of Constantine coins there as a kid on summer vacation in the 90’s. Bet your ass I didn’t report them.

@@Factory_Muff I need half of those coins că bidenflația mă ustură la portofel. And move fast cos I don’t have all day long ..

@@danmimis4576 You ain’t getting shit man! I-am cheltuit de mult.

100%

That Nienhuis bloke had me thinking Dave Grusch lookalike.

That dog won't hunt

low oxygen count down deep in the black sea, hence good preservation

That’s so interesting. Could you tell me the name of the channel I can watch it on please?

@@marigold7198 I think it is this one. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j92go61lnbDdiJs.html

"The condition the boats are in, after 2,400 years is astonishing." Not really. A layer of relatively undisturbed cold saltwater is ideal for preservation. By contrast a hectic, of disturbed space of warm freshwater would be terrible.

The more than enough of that at my place

Wide variety of accents but click the "CC" button for captioning. That helps me with some British/Scottish accents. I didn't notice the background music.

Many many fossils too

Like every history book.

@@mrvn000 very well said

They proposed that a catastrophic inflow of Mediterranean seawater into the Black Sea freshwater lake occurred around 7600 years ago, c. 5600 BC . Long before the Bronze Age Collapse.

@@johnbox271 so late neolithic early copper age?

@@Ian-yf7uf A copper age time frame for the Black Sea deluge is the hypothesis.

The BAC was circa 1177 B.C. much later. I suppose you could theorize the people of Agean and Black Sea areas were pushed around by rising water. This would likely cause war or a binding together of peoples to form a bigger, stronger "tribe". That usually ends up with war against smaller "tribes" to increase the size & wealth of the larger ones. Yes, a very predictable pattern of human behavior in history. Nothing has changed.....see Putin, invasion of Ukraine and Communist China aggression and land grabbing....20th and 21st century.

That is a very good assessment - the surrounding remnants of the blacksea nations must have become the sea peoples.

excactly

They already did ("The genetic history of the Southern Arc: A bridge between West Asia and Europe", an Harvard genetic research from 2022), and the results debunked these ridiculous theories in this video.

There ya go then. Like I say nowadays, DNA or it didn't happen.

Traced is an interesting book and a series here on KZfaq. Scientist gathered genetic samples from volunteers world wide to see where different people groups migrated to throughout history. Very interesting 😎 Edit: many of the things mentioned here are actually expanded upon in that study

I'm following you down the rabbit hole

Me 3

Exactly what I am saying: some experts say that their base was in Turkey. But when the level was down, the water was fresh (!) and drinkable (they omit this extremely important point), the entire lakeshore was great cradle of civilization.

Those people, the Yamnaya, were more likely from further north, in the pontic steppe. Not sure about your causality either, but of course a lot is still conjecture even among academics.

There was also a shortage of Pop Tarts and KFC

@@seanh4841 😂

The bronze age collapse was around 3200 years ago, the end of the ice age was around 10000 years ago. Ice melting likely had very little effect. The Mediterranean cities you mention sank underwater due to earthquakes.

@@macgonzo Yes, fantastic

@@macgonzo Well that and the sea level rising. There is a reason that large parts of Alexandria we know was used in the first few centuries AD are now under water and that is not an earthquake zone.

Yeah, especially as we now know about ancient megalithic sites, like Gobleki Tepe in Turkey that has been dated to 9000BC

@@PoppyFlux And now they have found an even more ancient site than that. We keep stretching people time farther and farther back.

Go to a museum then.

"there is no underwater archaeological evidence to support any catastrophic submergence of prehistoric Black Sea settlements during the late Pleistocene or early Holocene intervals" Doesn't mean it didn't happen, but without evidence it is just conjecture.

True

Pro tip bruh - there are no NON mainstream academics. There are corporate academics, institutional academics and amateur/hobbyist (unpaid) academics. That's it - the rest are just uneducated armchair observers flailing around in the dark minus enough data to give their opinions some semblance of reliable form beyond "I feel that this looks like" which is a common theme I see in comments for videos discussing ancient history and archaeology. Practised ignorance by discarding available academic findings does not elevate the conversation - those findings were produced through literally millions of man hours of archaeologists bent over dusty trenches and slowly eeking out the detail to later collect together in research papers to be freely released to all. (freely released as opposed to all those money making books that Hancock, von Danicken, Dunn, Foerster etc etc sell to enrich themselves by plagiarising the work of archaeologists for their own with some added fantasy speculation for the rubes) It's the equivalent of having 787 Dreamliner level aerospace technology and going back to wondering if a rounded piece of wood could be used for transporting things. The use of the term "mainstream academics" is just a dog whistle for anti establishment rhetoric used by writers who usually have little to offer but reliance on this crutch to elevate their words by inspiring an emotional response to that rhetoric. Cults use very similar tactics to draw in followers - the 'Moonies' and Scientologists demonstrate this pretty clearly.

Except it didn't happen fast at all. Modern information has shown that the flooding was fairly gradual, certainly not catastrophic.

I watch disaster shows, and seeing how the floods of today, can enter a house at least 3 feet high, ruin neighborhoods, and take so much in the rivers of water out to the sea in days..People did lose their lives, others left fast and left belongings..

This documentary relies, mainly on rusion archeology, which explains the bones

No you are

Agree with you. But the icelandic sagas were considered fun and entertaining stories until lanse aux meadows was discovered. It was obvious that the story had merit if you looked at a map and calculated their sailing days and descriptions of the land, but was written off. I think we need to take a look at everything available, but not presuppose anything to be the full story.

It looks and sounds more like decades old! The of 1989 was mentioned at some point.

@@cathjj840 I know there was an earlier video on the Black Sea featuring Prof Ryan and his partner where they actually go out onto the Black Sea using Sonar to sound the seabed plus this video is Hi Def which we have had since 2004 and i have a faint recollection that the partner has since passed away but this does not detract what is a very absorbing subject.

Maybe the knew nature destroying is bad

My cat liked it Meeeeew

@@seanh4841 that’s one smart cat you got there! 😎👍

The Ice Age technically hasn't ended yet. Blew my mind when I found this out. It was the last "Glacial Maximum," the peak of it...but we're still in the twilight of the Ice Age.

@@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking I did not know that, and in case anyone else reads this text chain: I looked it up. I’m a little confused on wether it’s the same Ice Age or not. But that may be an irrelevant bit of semantics. I still contend that the existence of mammoths is possibly the worst argument for global climate predictions. They could have done better.

Mammoths were still roaming N America even after the Pyramids at Giza were constructed.

Checkout Mr Mythos flood video

Germanics and Hellens are the same peoples.

check out the youtube channel suspicious observers, their disaster playlist. the solar micronova and associated effects is the cause of what you are describing.

@@markjackson3531 The better channel is Magnetic Pole Reversal News. Too much click bait on SO

@@stephenburnage7687 Really? I'll check that channel out, but SO has never struck me as a "clickbait" channel tbh...

@@markjackson3531 Maybe 'clickbate' is the wrong term but prone to exaggeration, quoting theories as fact and continuing in promoting theories that are now disproved. Remember, Ben is a an attorney, not a scientist and remember also, none of this is settled science (just competing theories, some of which overlap). Diamond (who runs Magnetic Pole Reversal News) is a true scientis, weighs up the current evidence as objectively as he can. Another excellent channel is "See the Pattern", which again distinguishes itself by its objectivity plus has excellent graphics.

There's always one

How much does he list for? Not much I hope, and such a short list

@@cathjj840 Sorry, I made a typo, was meant to be long lost, not long list....

Thank you , I was about say the same thing .

Me, too.

You're a young eartg creationist

It was free to a good home

No you are

I live on the Greek mainland we live through small scale earthquakes almost daily... And every year or two bigger quakes that are truly felt. The smaller ones around 3.5 Richter are usually felt when you're in bed lying still or sitting. A week ago we felt a strong 5.1 that took place 65 km from Athens it's a terrible feeling when the earth moves one cannot get used to that

@@annalouux8553 that’s crazy, I had no idea it was that common. Stay safe!

Better tell that to the Russians who are apparently going to bring them back in Siberia to help with permafrost thaw somehow. 🤦🤷

​@@stephjezo6470The mammoths are to stamp out the trees and methane leaking out. Methane is the biggest global warming gas.

"The flood reached all the way to Mt Ararat 370 km away from the old lake shoreline" Most recent evidence shows that the infill of the Black Sea basin was gradual over a time period of months to years, rather than a catastrophic flood event - that doesn't fit with a tidal wave reaching so far at all. "This is the basis for the story of Noah snd Gilgamesh" Except the Gilgamesh flood tale is based on older Mesopotamian flood myths of Sumer and Akkad, as is Noah clearly when you break down the similarities in the texts. The continuity of cultural transmission was likely Sumerian/Akkadian -> Canaanite -> Israelite. The land of Canaan was once part of the great Akkadian empire in antiquity, and the Akkadian empire grew out of the Sumerian civilisation, so Sumerian -> Akkadian -> Canaanite fits. Not to mention that Israelite religion and Hebrew language share so much in common with Canaanite from the surviving Canaanite texts that it is comical to call them anything but a largely derivative culture where most of the Israelite mythology is concerned, the rest being retconned history of Egypt and the ancient Near East using Hebrew names and places as landmarks within the text and wrapping the rest around them. The older flood myth lists a completely different mountain, not to mention that the tale is clearly describing a RIVER flood of the Euphrates given the mention of Shuruppak along the banks of the Euphrates.

You did not listen at all...Carbon dating might show 7,000 BCE but they showed that the data is FALSE plus the artifacts show a MUCH later period as they find BRONZE age materials. Math is a problem for many

2007

1938

I think it was late 1990's. Remember it on one of those History/Discovery type channels a long long time ago. It was after the USSR broke up and a lot of information started flowly more freely from the Soviet scientist knowledge. Everything was a big super secret in the USSR so they squirreled away lots of evidence and information.

Looks like a 1994 university production

@@chucknorris277 Cheap as chips Camcorder stuff,

We also don't generally leave the building plans behind after a project is finished!

@@keyscook any diagrams or design templates would have been immensely valuable and carefully protected…I imagine that the Library at Alexandria likely held info on the pyramids initial construction and the great Flood before it was torched, pity

"Gilgamesh's supposed historical reign is believed to have been approximately 2700 BC. The Gilgamesh flood tablet XI was discovered in Nineveh" Long before there was a Jewish tribe, the flood story (Myth?) was around.

Genesis is an interesting fable, hardly factual

@@johnbox271- So when you talk to native Americans do you tell them their oral histories are not true, because they did not write them down? Or maybe their written history (for those that did have a written language) was too easily destroyed. But for a series of books that is not taken seriously by some, archeologists have found way too much confirming it.

@@johnbox271- PS- “Jewish”- Judah was one tribe of 12. They were Hebrews, along with Egyptians who left enslavement of Egypt. See KZfaq Jabal El Lawz, the proof of them being in the wilderness was in Arabia, just as Paul stated. Arabia is now letting folks over for research purposes.

@@Musick79 Do you accept as fact... An, the God of Heaven, Enlil, the Storm and Wind God, Enki, the Water God, Ninhursag, the Goddess of Fertility and The Earth, Utu, the God of justice and of the Sun, and his father Nanna, God of the Moon. Do you worship them?

You don't realize that mythical characters are often based on actual people who once lived?

I would agree for the most part, but in theory, there would still be burial tombs. Although current and near future tech doesn't exist that would allow very good examination.

@@johnbox271 Fair enough assessment. I'll give you that.

Shore lines would be relatively flat and flood fast, people would be in a hurry to get out of there and likely leave items behind.

Sounds all good to me

People drop crap all over the place, wherever they have lived for any amount of time. Just ask any detectorist. Existence produces discarded or lost or forgotten stuff.

"This is the basis of the great flood myths" No - the Black Sea basin took much longer to flood than was originally estimated. It wasn't some climactic rupturing of a dam and then BOOM! It was a slow, steady rise, albeit faster than the timeline for the rising sea levels . Probably on the level of months if not years. Also the great flood myths of the west are mostly of Ancient Near Eastern origin, likely from the flooding of either the Euphrates or the Tigris river in Mesopotamia. When you understand the progression of land occupation and cultural exchange in the Ancient Near East it becomes obvious how it all played out. Story begins as verbal tradition of floods in Mesopotamia -> Sumerian civilisation rises, records them -> Akkadian empire rises from within the Sumerian civilisation and translates Sumerian flood myths into semitic language

@@mnomadvfx No, this is an area where earthquakes happen. They tried to keep out the salt water with a dam, than an earthquake broke the dam and the great flood happened. Those people were sinners, so God broke their dam to wash away the sin.

Also, a similar event happened 12,000 years ago. Apparently there's a whole continent under the Sea, two hundred miles south of India...

ur mom was described earlier

And I've heard that the Hopi tribe have legends of a great flood.

@@glendabarton45barton48 practically all ancient civilizations have a flood story ,with different details naturally 🤔

No Noah, no Ark and plenty of flooding in the greater aera. Scizophrenia religiosa is real.

Me, too - confused that is. But I still learned stuff and am trying to make it fit with other knowledge and hypotheses I've seen that have appeared well since this documentary was made. To be followed...

I think the problem is that we are dealing with the time frame just before the adoption of writing. The very cusp between history/prehistory. The re-filling of the Black Sea probably happened before any true writing or calendric dating system. There are the Vinca inscriptions, possibly from 4000bc, but they seem to be a proto-writing pictography. All these floods would have been at the end of the Oral Tradition only period, and would have been the "hot news" of their times even one or 2 millennia later, when desendant cultures caught true writing, and crystalized them into "history".

what the fuck is BP? I assume you mean BC

@@Justin-ee3im BP stands for Before Present. Makes regression equations and graphing a little less error prone. And probably makes interacting with historians/archeologists from non-Christian backgrounds a little less confrontational.

@@NullHand "confrontational"? are you serious? using terms commonly accepted for thousands of years is "confrontational"? ridiculous. BP = bullshlt propaganda

That would be the shouting merkin

No it did not happen as a worldwide event. There are accounts of devastating floods in every culture but at different times in history. We still have devastating floods around the world and tsunami’s. Do you want me to explain the ridiculousness of thinking two of every species on earth could fit onto a wooden boat? It should be obvious that it’s a wild tale. It’s not even possible. Just the lack of gene diversity would doom almost all the species. Including man.

No, it didn't.

They're either remembering regional floods or the Younger Dryas flood, global but didn't submerge the entire world.

We are due another of these, they happen approx every 12k years. It’s caused by the earths magnetic field dropping and an associated solar cycle and results in a nova that will knock out all electrics plunging us back to pre industrialisation, followed by the poles flipping (this is already well under way, go look at where north now sits) and the earths crust unlocking, rapid melting of the ice caps and the mother of all tsunamis (the Atlantic) and it’s equally devastating backwash wiping out a huge amount of life as we know it on this planet. The ultimate ‘great reset’. For more info go to suspicious observers channel on YT, fascinating yet horrifying stuff.

Your a word of degree