Of Baboons and Men | Robert Sapolsky

Of Baboons and Men | Robert Sapolsky | EP 390

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Dr. Jordan B Peterson sits down with Neuroendocrinology researcher and author of the upcoming book Determined: A Science of Life Without Free Will, Robert Sapolsky. They discuss how Game Theory applies to human behavior across iterative rounds of play, the unexpected success of the tit-for-tat principle, the role of dopamine in the anticipation of the future, and the objective reality of transcendent structures within our biological routines.
Robert Sapolsky is an American Neuroendocrinology researcher, author, and communicator. He has spent decades studying primates in the wild, written numerous articles and books, as well as produced multiple video series on the subject. By the age of 12, Sapolsky was writing to well known primatologists as a fan, and had also begun teaching himself Swahili with the early ambition of heading to Tanzanian, Mozambique, and Kenya in search of his own primates (Specifically Silverback Gorillas) to study. Not too much later, Sapolsky would make contact with a group of gorillas in Kenya, a group he would visit every year for 25 years, spending 4 months studying them at a time. Sapolsky would go on to become the John A. and Cynthia Fry Gunn Professor at Stanford University, holding joint appointments in several departments, including Biological Sciences, Neurology & Neurological Sciences, and Neurosurgery.
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Ep.390
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(0:00) Coming up
(1:08) Intro
(2:05) Game Theory, the logic of our behavior
(6:13) The shadow of the future
(10:31) You are a community across time, Utilitarian thinking
(15:25) Tit-for-tat, iterative game competitions
(18:00) The Prisoner’s Dilemma
(23:11) Tit-for-tat in bats
(24:24) Signal errors, virtualization
(28:57) Radical forgiveness
(31:20) Shared culture, demonizing the foreign
(33:04) Faith in the possibility of humanity
(36:03) Founder populations
(37:41) Abraham, the underlying ethos
(41:20) Religion and retention
(44:08) Cain and Abel, sacrifice, maturity, and dopamine
(47:30) The extension of knowledge into the future
(50:08) The dopaminergic system, future rewards
(53:00) Agency, quasi-predictability, the power of “maybe”
(56:30) The ultimately addictive slot machine
(57:50) Pattern of the hero
(1:01:50) You’re a winner if people want to play with you
(1:03:39) Freedom of association
(1:05:41) The meaning of “store up your treasure in heaven”
(1:08:56) Punishing generosity
(1:12:48) Playing at the edge of additional generosity
(1:14:20) Baboons, anticipation, the range of pleasures
(1:16:21) Refining taste, the tragic implication
(1:18:40) Dostoevsky, "Notes From the Underground"
(1:20:54) You are not built for satiation
(1:23:32) False adventures, pathology and addiction
(1:26:11) What God lacks
(1:28:00) Studying primates for 30 years
(1:31:13) The result of an abundance of females
(1:37:03) Third party enforcers, cultural transmission
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@acerpalmatum6446 5 ай бұрын

KZfaq is amazing. I'm a middle aged woman in a middle class town, folding laundry and cooking dinner while listening to this amazing conversation. I love learning like this.

@nigelnyoni8265 3 ай бұрын

I know this feeling

@jaynemacklyne1462 2 ай бұрын

I'm much the same but in France and I also love learning in this way

@user-mo2sg8mf5k 2 ай бұрын

Thank goodness we can listen to people with PhDs for free with a click of a button. That's certainly an advantage of our times.

@goofyahhh254 2 ай бұрын

Yes❤I love it

@moontides7220 2 ай бұрын

Sitting In the toilet and listening too.

@Molloy1951 6 ай бұрын

I love to hear Dr Peterson talking about evolution, psychology, and human behaviour rather than politics and politicians.

@pastamane7167 5 ай бұрын

Politics is very emotional it seems like, very divisive, and goes into frustrations with the inability of the mind to discern truth vs falsehood or wether some politician somewhere is lying about this or that. All not very scientific and reasoanble, and too far into the domestic arena.

@Molloy1951 5 ай бұрын

@@pastamane7167 beautifully thought and expressed.

@hartyewh1 4 ай бұрын

Politics are so far beyond his expertise that it is like listening to Elon Musk when he tries.

@sebastiancampos7289 4 ай бұрын

@pastamane7167 yeah, that the world is under continous threat. Our scientific knowledge was faster than our primitive feelings. Many people use mobile phones and the Internet to waste time instead of learning about how it works and its relationship with the nature of the universe (our nature). The vast majority prefers to continue feeling secure about what life is and that leads them to close themselves in on their own ideals, which are then taken advantage of by politicians

@ShinobiHex 4 ай бұрын

My man is talking more than his guests, he loves his own thoughts lmao

@rocklee5231 6 ай бұрын

You both were some of the biggest influences on me going back to school. I’ll graduate this spring with a triple major in physics, chemistry, and biology. It has been, probably, the hardest thing I’ve ever done voluntarily. I’m not sure how it will all turn out, there have been many disappointments, but thank you both for getting me started.

@MrMikkyn 6 ай бұрын

That is so inspiring. I love science, and want to educate myself more on it. I’ve learnt a lot from Sapolsky’s book Behave and lecture series.

@hanagloriaedelblum5693 6 ай бұрын

Bravo!

@jamesthecat 6 ай бұрын

Well done, and all the best for the future!

@alexn4255 6 ай бұрын

Nice 🧢 😂😂😂😂

@denisblack9897 6 ай бұрын

should have just studied music structure and function of reality is already fully captured in music theory hate to be a downer, i majored in chemistry and after studying pythagoras music theory it became obvious that all other 'sciences' are just lazy and incomplete representations of music

@SilverstoneTrace 6 ай бұрын

Given how loquacious these two are, I’m very grateful that they were able to give each other space to equally express their ideas. Excellent convo.

@careyjamesmajeski3203 6 ай бұрын

Loquacious, not verbose. 👍

@something-uj4eq 6 ай бұрын

Their loquaciousness canceled each other out haha

@benhallo1553 6 ай бұрын

I think Peterson kept trying to beat him to the point tho to prove his smartness. When ultimately if sapolsky is the guest you should let him speak

@alaron5698 3 ай бұрын

@@benhallo1553 I think I'll be more generous and say that Peterson just can't contain himself, and it's not about showing off or proving smartness, but rather a result of him being so engaged that it bursts forth. He always tends to speak a lot, and people often say that he should let his guests speak more. Moreover, Peterson has himself acknowledged that he has this tendency.

@doclime4792 3 ай бұрын

@@careyjamesmajeski3203 🤓🤜🤛🤓

@oliverortiz7404 6 ай бұрын

More than 15 years ago I declared myself a Sapolsky fan when I saw him for the first time in a documentary. I am a lawyer, but I have never stopped reading about science, from astronomy to biology. Robert's latest book "Behave" is the best science book I have ever read, by far. It is a privilege for someone like me, from the south of the world (Chile), from a small town, to be able to access some of Robert's classes at Stanford that were published on KZfaq a few years ago. Thank you Robert Sapolsky for your work and thank you J.P for inviting him and helping spread the knowledge. Long live KZfaq ;)

@spellandshield 6 ай бұрын

Behave is not his latest book, Determined is and unsurprisingly JP did not talk to him about it at all.

@kavorka8855 6 ай бұрын

I loved Behave! Am looking forward to reading Determined! I fully agree with you ❤

@karakaspar1791 6 ай бұрын

@@spellandshieldthe krauss interview is way better 😋

@spellandshield 6 ай бұрын

@@karakaspar1791 Obviously as both of them (Krauss and Sapolsky) are on the same page. Peterson won't touch free will with a 100 foot pole because it would damage his reputation and world view.

@oliverortiz7404 6 ай бұрын

@@spellandshield You're right

@momscience399 6 ай бұрын

It's actually emotional for me to see these two minds come together. I have two of Sapolsky's books and I love his way of speaking. I have wanted to see them do an interview for so long.

@karenfitchmclean796 6 ай бұрын

So crazy - I have thought the same thing for a while now!

@MoreTrenMoreMen69 5 ай бұрын

which books do you have? I have read Behave, The Trouble with Testosterone, and im reading his newest book, Determined (100 pages to go! It’s amazing!)

@CrysLuv27 4 ай бұрын

The world of politics desperately needs minds like Dr. Peterson!! What he and his colleagues are doing in the world of politics just may be the thing that saves the free world!!

@freda7436 3 ай бұрын

Me too!@@karenfitchmclean796

@grahambyrne8714 2 ай бұрын

listen to chomsky buddy you will end up lost if you listen to these pair.

@arturolopezdenava 6 ай бұрын

I am a doctor from Mexico. Couldn’t imagine a few years ago that these two would talk. Amazing. Refreshing to see someone as passionate as Dr. Sapolsky in the spotlight. Looking forward to that new book!

@TheGoodContent37 2 ай бұрын

These 2 talking is what raises my red flags of BS. Peterson is a religious fanatic, mainly because due to his cowardish personality (just look the interview with his wife, she is a rock and he is the blanket). The more a coward someone is the more they need to believe in magic and stuff out there taking care of them or not being as bad or cruel. That soils reason and logic. I left my Peterson era a few years ago when evidence increased and I matured but I'll give this one a try just to be fair with the subject. Y recuerda wey, manten la mente abierta pero no tan abierta como para que se te caiga el cerebro.

@naryanr 3 ай бұрын

*_“I feel giddy with intellectual stimulation.”_* What a great way to end. Everyone likes to feel that. Everyone likes to hear that.

@klkay206 6 ай бұрын

Robert Sapolsky is such a great teacher. I've watched many of his lectures.

@damienpol5215 6 ай бұрын

I feel depressed whenever I try to watch his lectures.

@AlexthunderGnum 6 ай бұрын

I wish there were more of his lectures! We need more of Sapolsky talking.

@platoscavealum902 6 ай бұрын

Dr. Sapolsky’s Stanford lectures (which are available on KZfaq) are absolutely excellent.

@mattmatt6572 6 ай бұрын

Surprised Jp was able to book him. Old man winter is quite buisy this time of the year 😀

@tomheille5444 6 ай бұрын

@mattmatt6572 sorry, why is he busy?

@tonyoconnor1892 6 ай бұрын

I've been waiting eight years for this conversation, even suggested it in an email to JP. Sapolsky's Human Behavioral Biology is epic. I hope these two have a couple of conversations. Another individual I hope JP speaks with is Gabor Mate. THANK YOU!

@guitardeez 6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I think that would be good too. Obviously Mate is no fan of Peterson which is too bad.

@stevensmith8865 6 ай бұрын

Would love to see Gabor as well. I think they would have a great convo on child psychology.

@anybodyoutthere3208 6 ай бұрын

@@AFringedGentianwhy is this ?

@anybodyoutthere3208 6 ай бұрын

@@guitardeezwhy is that

@guitardeez 6 ай бұрын

@@anybodyoutthere3208 He had negative words about Jordan in his new book, Rogan podcast, rebel wisdom, newest Russell brand podcast. Gabor has also stated he is a communist. I believe he is wrong about his analysis of Peterson. There are more examples, those are just a few I can think of at the moment.

@susangravdahlparsons2684 2 ай бұрын

Robert is so patient - the "conversation" goes all over the place via Peterson. I eagerly await Robert's response in all of these interviews. He stays right on the topic Peterson drives to and responds with relevant content. That's the sign of a remarkably kind and intelligent person.

@robertldavis5929 24 күн бұрын

Better Robert dealt with Jordans desire to have his say. Not exactly great work by Jordan.

@BlackPhoebe7 11 күн бұрын

I agree - Sapolsky is always motivated to listen and respond kindly. Not a fan of Peterson but he made thoughtful points,this was interesting. A good listen.

@thevanted99 3 ай бұрын

1:00:29 Peterson is learning, he used to interrupt during interviews, this is an example where he caught himself doing it. Hell yeah, loving it. Good job

@tarvos_trigaranvs 3 ай бұрын

Exactly my reaction too! :)

@andyrix54 3 ай бұрын

I think that habit of dominating conversations comes from decades of classroom lecturing, where he talked and students listened. The lecturer has to keep talking and moving the topic forward or he'll lose the group. As opposed to now he is having a reciprocal conversation and sharing of ideas and concepts. I suspect he's been told a few times to share to conversation.

@mediacrusher Ай бұрын

It's because rob is a real scholar that is respected across disciplines and fields, where JP is not.

@nnnnsaakadamanas218 27 күн бұрын

@@andyrix54 Conservative upbringing..... Peterson expressed serious respect thru that gesture - Really enjoyed this convo. So very fruitful

@johannesvenezian642 13 күн бұрын

@@andyrix54 Sapolsky is also a veteran lecturer but I never saw him interrupting in such a rude manner

@christopherkopperman8108 6 ай бұрын

Jordan just explained my 60/60 rule of relationships. Put 60% into your relationship (more then you expect to get out) and when you meet someone else willing to do the same thing foster those relationships because the whole will be greater than the sum of its parts. Been one of my values for as long as I can remember.

@markplimsoll 6 ай бұрын

Good luck meeting that coworker, instead of a freeloader! Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢 Sapolsky has no Free Will. His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.

@peripheralparadox4218 6 ай бұрын

Most women will get more out of the relationship than the man, and most women will invest less than the man. That’s how the equation really plays out.

@tongpoo8985 6 ай бұрын

Interesting. Screencapped

@tongpoo8985 6 ай бұрын

@@peripheralparadox4218that's why it's better to be with a woman who is a little worse than you (a little less attractive, intelligent, successful, etc.). It's a woman's market right now or at least they think it is until they're 35 and jaded.

@jessewallace12able 6 ай бұрын

Took a screen shot of that. Thank you.

@name._..-. 6 ай бұрын

I like interviews much more when they are not about politics... So captivating and interesting conversation, thank you!

@MrMajsterixx 6 ай бұрын

It is about politics in the sense that it influences u to vote certan way whiich is ofcourse no problem as long as it is true

@pedrofelipefreitas2666 6 ай бұрын

@@MrMajsterixxjust because you can politicize everything doesn't mean everything is political

@muradm7748 6 ай бұрын

@@MrMajsterixxyou can boil down everything to politics (which is just about human interactions), doesn't mean that the core of the topic is politics.

@bryceoconnor9640 6 ай бұрын

just left the chat lol

@TheoCynical 6 ай бұрын

Yeah same here. I wished Peterson would do more of this content. It’s my box in expectation for him but I believed I just see him more comfortable in academia than anywhere else. Maybe it’s my thirst for knowledge that yearns for this; and the fact that they are good speakers and can break down concepts into digestible content; even to each other on a platform such as thing.

@mpelgudmir 6 ай бұрын

Love this conversation, and it went a lot better than I thought it might. I think Jordan is at his best when he's not dealing with politics or being attacked for the religious aspects of his work. He seemed genuinely interested and invested in this conversation, and when that happens, I think his guests are pleasantly surprised. Dr. Sapolsky is amazing, and if you haven't read his stuff, you should definitely check it out. Really funny and really insightful.

@ravenheartwraith 6 ай бұрын

I agree with this, these are my favorite Peterson podcasts, even if I can't understand half of it, more to learn from multiple listens.

@lindayanez9519 6 ай бұрын

Love these guys!!

@markplimsoll 6 ай бұрын

Sapolsky is usually very funny. I think he will regret this interview. Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢 Sapolsky has no Free Will. His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.

@Dankness9 6 ай бұрын

It just kept going too! Some have an apex and 2-3 “wow” moments, but this truly kept on rolling 7’s. From gambling games to baboons, to immorality, and dopamine impacts. But the game theory within other animal species really blew my mind.

@Dankness9 6 ай бұрын

@@ravenheartwraithI kept having to go back and try to understand some of it, but it’s really better to blast through. Then go back after thinking on it for a few hours. Time well spent.

@truesounds6470 6 ай бұрын

I wish this podcast was 5 hours long; so much great information.

@hv4285 6 ай бұрын

I've been waiting for this for about 2 years now since Robert appeared on Andrew Huberman's podcast regarding the topic of Freewill. Been following Dr.Sapolsky and Dr.Peterson's work for years now, it's so great to to see these two together! Thank you for all the important research you two have been contributing

@Justin-vq9co 6 ай бұрын

YES SAME

@samuelrogel4575 6 ай бұрын

I didn't know he'd been on the andrew huberman podcast, now I gotta go watch that too.

@real_pattern 6 ай бұрын

robert has been doing several interviews lately, promoting his books, i recommend them all, as the different interviewers ask different questions!

@platoscavealum902 6 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, Jordan Peterson dared not bring up the topic of free will. I was very disappointed, but I should have expected it to be this way because Jordan Peterson doesn’t have good arguments for the existence of free will.

@marsantos81 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

@alaindenis509 6 ай бұрын

In terms of verbal IQ, interesting research, and intellectualism, smartest guest on your podcast thus far. I've been listening to Robert over 10 years now, they guy is a power house

@Fergieh8er12 6 ай бұрын

Idk man, he did have the duck dynasty folks on, so Sapolsky is probably #2

@lesleyjohnson8488 6 ай бұрын

Wow - yes!! I totally agree. When I read ‘Behave’, I nearly cried with joy. It was every bit as good as his Stanford lectures, and perhaps more so because I had time to pause and reflect at the truly weighty observations. There’s also the bonus that it came out eight years after the lectures were published here on KZfaq, so all those years meant even more research and examples. I highly recommend it 😊

@markplimsoll 6 ай бұрын

So sad Sapolsky got victimized by this unethical danger to human society. Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢 Sapolsky has no Free Will. His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.

@davidpetry 5 ай бұрын

Episode 390 with Robert Sapolsky is in my “Top 5” best episodes of the Jordan Peterson podcasts.

@ADVtheMISSIONARY 6 ай бұрын

I started watching this when it was posted, left off in the first 15 min then encountered his talk with HG Moeller posted around the same time, which was excellent. I had to then listen to this in full, Thanks for the talk.

@ginabisaillon2894 6 ай бұрын

I saw Mr. Sapolsky on the Skeptic show the other day and I learned so much about life that I had been wondering about, wow!

@markplimsoll 6 ай бұрын

So explain how this happened to a confirmed Skeptic! JP is NOT a scientist. Search "Why is psychology NOT considered a science?" JP is a menace to World Peace by eruditely promoting religion, 4,000 year old fairy tales that groups EXCLUSIVELY MALE use to control women mostly, and everything else. The PROCESS of Evolution created gods and religious societies by enhancing reproduction, just as it does with cars, fast food, and New Improved Tide. Does JP have legions of rapists waiting on his command? 😮 Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢 Sapolsky has no Free Will. His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.

@mysterion9686 6 ай бұрын

This episode resonates with me so much. The mapping of religion and game theory on one another is such an expansive view. And the continual reset of the dopamine system resonates with my personal experience. I'm perpetually underwhelmed and that feels awful. But it is also the source of always standing up again.

@stevebutler812 5 ай бұрын

I learned to read at age 3 and am 61, and have read thousands of books. One of the top 100 is the story of the founding of "Kendall Jackson Winery" starting as a lark to own a small winery for a SF Bay Area Real Estate Lawyer. He figured out that the land the wine grapes grow on is the most valuable part of the equation, and bought huge real-estate interests all over California "secretly" knowing he could create an empire that would "last 400 years" and he did it. It's amazing. He knew zero of winemaking and now has a huge family owned wine business in stores all over the US.

@adrianseanheidmann4559 2 ай бұрын

Funny how in the US some success story like that is celebrated, whereas in Europe, myself included, would point to the problem those "Land-grabs" cause.

@zendrekoekemoer4213 6 ай бұрын

I can’t get enough of this! I want more! Huge fan of Robert Sapolsky and Jordan Peterson, this is by far my favourite episode! They are simply a great combination in neuroscience! Hope to hear more from them❤ 🇿🇦

@albertobidarra3753 6 ай бұрын

I am fan of both. Looking to the next conversation with all the topics that were left out. Thank you very much for this stimulating conversation. All the best to you!!!

@raul.avadanei1987 6 ай бұрын

It was just a matter of time for them to meet. Thanks to both of them for the lectures. I think I've learnt more from them in the last 4 years I've been watching their videos on KZfaq, than what i've learned in school and college. Also professor Michael Sugrue and professor Darren Staloff are 2 of my favourite lecturers. Look them up! You'll thank me!

@Yojimbo711 14 күн бұрын

Thank you for this convo, Sapolski is a IMMENSE mind like yourself Dr, thanks to both of you and for it being FREE!!!!!!!!!!

@orionmyth 5 ай бұрын

It's a real stress reliever watching two human beings of such intellect being in happy agreement on these deep topics

@jayjaychadoy9226 6 ай бұрын

What a joy to hear the two make inroads into each other's investigations, and not have to listen to the stressful babel of human politics. I like how they left us on a positive note, with the idea of more to come.

@samuelcyr4524 6 ай бұрын

At 43 I decided to go back to school to combine my graduate work in physiology with a doctorate in psychology. These are the top two influences in my line of reasoning. And this conversation did not disappoint

@freebird1477 6 ай бұрын

Philosophy?

@samuelcyr4524 6 ай бұрын

@freebird1477 in short, my thesis is personality type correlates to movement patterns and the downstream affects. In the short term linking type AB personality types to back pain. Long term want to do a full movement screen with big 5 traits

@briannarogers5837 6 ай бұрын

@@samuelcyr4524that sounds fascinating, i'm intrigued.

@platoscavealum902 6 ай бұрын

I was disappointed that Dr. Peterson refrained from talking about the lack of free will with Dr. Sapolsky.

@doug5372 6 ай бұрын

Ever done an extended meditation retreat ?

@peterlubbers5947 6 ай бұрын

I've waited for many years for these two giants to meet up and have the brilliant conversation that i just watched; Seriously gentleman this was an amazing talk!👌🙏

@valentinbonnarde9345 6 ай бұрын

Peterson and Sapolsky are like yin and yang when it comes to producing political thought out of studying humans. I'm honestly surprised to see Sapolsky here. I'd like to see them challenge each other's views but I suspect it's not going to happen today. The subtext of immediately going into game theory and tit for tat is quite delectible though. I would encourage anyone who's into Peterson to watch Sapolsky's content on testosterone for example as I think it would bring balance to people's thoughts on human nature. While you're at it, just watch and read everything he's produced. He's very concise, informative and rigorous. Also funny and likable. Edit : This was a very nice watch. Mostly the end about cultural transmission of cooperation amongst baboons. The way Peterson reacted to that felt genuine, and I remember having the same type of reaction when I first heard about it, I think in one of the Stanford lectures. I'm very excited for this conversation to continue. I wonder if Peterson will have objections against the optimistic nature of this story or if it will have any consequences on his worldview. For me it did.

@ivantucakov1598 6 ай бұрын

Totally. It would be fascinating to have them discuss the newly emerged woke culture and compare them to other cultures.

@conniecooley5542 6 ай бұрын

I’ve never heard him.

@CanwegetSubscriberswithn-cu2it 6 ай бұрын

Yin and yang, but also have so much common ground. Maybe there IS hope after all.... Sapoksky has been critical of the current political state affecting free expression in academia.... and he's quite the lefty.. If you're honest and searching for truth, political orientation is irrelevant. Knowledge is our common ground. It must be protected above all else.

@p.doetsch6209 6 ай бұрын

@@CanwegetSubscriberswithn-cu2itEverything matters including political orientation. It colors how people are able to acquire knowledge and will either slow or accelerate synthesizing information.

@allyourbase888 6 ай бұрын

Sapolsky’s lecture series on Behavior is some of the best free content on the internet; as is Peterson’s Maps of Meaning series. I consume anything they put out. I feel lucky to live in a time where this information can be distributed to humanity so easily.

@4thlord51 6 ай бұрын

Robert's got some good lectures on KZfaq. Highly recommend checking it out.

@matthewsinclair507 6 ай бұрын

He has some great videos on P0rnhub as well

@jeremybrimmer1990 6 ай бұрын

Why did the guest get giddy when talking about manipulation of bats to induce starvation?

@r.randolph2891 6 ай бұрын

His lecturers on the Stanford channel are awesome .. somewhat dated but still well worth a watch .

@willmercury 6 ай бұрын

@@jeremybrimmer1990Because the insight the research yielded is significant, and he is a giddy data dopamine junkie.

@jeremybrimmer1990 6 ай бұрын

@@willmercury "significant"

@natepolidoro4565 6 ай бұрын

390 conversations in just this series alone. Incredible thoughts and effort all around.

@musicaremcasa7628 6 ай бұрын

I loved this podcast! I am currently going through a lot in my academic, personal, health and familly life. Was very low on positive expectations for a future in lecturing in higher education and many other aspects of life. This conversation, was such a warm intelectual conversation of reaching new grounds and stimulating a positive outlook to the world. That I need to ask, PLEASE have this gentleman as a returning guest! What a wonderfull conversation to be shared with!!

@alottaguala9766 6 ай бұрын

This was one of my favorite podcast i'm so happy you two finally got in touch ive been waited for it and it did not dissapoint, more por favor ^.^

@garywhitt98 6 ай бұрын

What a wonderful world; a place where talent and courage enable a man like Dr. Peterson to reach an audience of millions instead of just the small numbers in his classrooms.

@FranklinFleming-lm1yu 6 ай бұрын

For now. Canada government might shut him down after this month😢😢😢😢

@markplimsoll 6 ай бұрын

JP is a menace to World Peace by erudtely promoting religion, 4,000 year old fairy tales that groups EXCLUSIVELY MALE use to control women mostly, and everything else. The PROCESS of Evolution created gods and religious societies by enhancing reproduction, just as it does with cars, fast food, and New Improved Tide. Does JP have legions of rapists waiting on his command? 😮 Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢 Sapolsky has no Free Will. His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.

@balindacampbell 6 ай бұрын

I so enjoyed listening to this. Two of my favorite intellectuals speaking. So hoping that there will be a second sit down.

@jamesthecat 6 ай бұрын

Watching the lectures of both professors makes me realize how lucky their students were, and are. There are only a few lecturers who can really connect with you when they tell their powerful and thoughtful anecdotes.

@allyourbase888 6 ай бұрын

This may be one of the most important conversations on CensorTube or the internet for that matter. Thank you both for you work and coming together to unravel and reveal these great mysteries. 🙏🏾🇺🇸❤️ Gandalf the White and Radagast the Brown should have a monthly podcast. Thank you! ❤

@artifundio1 6 ай бұрын

I am very grateful for this conversation. I loved Sapolsky's Standford lectures.

@approximately27goats 6 ай бұрын

Incredible conversation! I've been familiar with Dr Sapolsky for quite a few years, got into Dr Peterson in more recent years, and wow, what a fantastic collaboration of ideas it turned out to be! Thank you to the both of you!

@daviddokka1461 6 ай бұрын

Hey, I never comment here, but this was amongst the best podcasts I've ever heard. Jordan and Robert are playing a symphony of thoughts together.

@markplimsoll 6 ай бұрын

Symphony with one phony. Not a one-trick phony, a loquacious one. JP is a menace to World Peace by eruditely promoting religion, 4,000 year old fairy tales that groups EXCLUSIVELY MALE use to control women mostly, and everything else. The PROCESS of Evolution created gods and religious societies by enhancing reproduction, just as it does with cars, fast food, and New Improved Tide. Does JP have legions of rapists waiting on his command? 😮 Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢 Sapolsky has no Free Will. His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.

@cartour8425 6 ай бұрын

Well said

@sarahvencill5890 6 ай бұрын

It's wonderful to see you two talking to each other. Excellent discussion.

@monztermovies 6 ай бұрын

This was my absolute dream podcast! Both of these men changed my life! ❤

@jonsey3645 6 ай бұрын

In my opinion, this is the very best conversation to ever possibly evesdrop into! Two of the best minds in acedemia. Thank you both and, thanks to the channel.

@AngelVivaldi 6 ай бұрын

This is the conversation we’ve all been waiting for!

@helendownie7062 6 ай бұрын

Standing ovation…..more please ….much more .I had a wonderful time listening to you both.Thank you.

@jasontm91 6 ай бұрын

What an engaging conversation between two amazingly smart and interesting men. It was a joy to see the change over time in Sapolsky's demeanor as the conversation progressed; initially appearing a bit reserved to being fully engaged and, as he describes it at the end - 'giddy with intellectual stimulation'. Thank you Dr. Peterson for your podcast and thank you Dr. Sapolsky for being a guest.

@markplimsoll 6 ай бұрын

Robert will soon be giddy with rage... he got played. JP is NOT a scientist. Search "Why is psychology NOT considered a science?" JP is a menace to World Peace by eruditely promoting religion, 4,000 year old fairy tales that groups EXCLUSIVELY MALE use to control women mostly, and everything else. The PROCESS of Evolution created gods and religious societies by enhancing reproduction, just as it does with cars, fast food, and New Improved Tide. Does JP have legions of rapists waiting on his command? 😮 Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢 Sapolsky has no Free Will. His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.

@jccusell 6 ай бұрын

I fear that is weariness due to Jordan's (undeserved) reputation.

@willianfernandes5186 6 ай бұрын

Wow, i've always watched Dr. Sapolsky lectures here in YT, and now we've got another lesson for free. Thank you.!!

@mihabet 6 ай бұрын

Thank you for having Robert on. I watched his lectures years ago. Binged them in a few days, they're so good!

@rehaba5763 6 ай бұрын

Very enlightening and thought provoking talk. Sending you both wishes for inner peace and more collaborative talks❤😊 Jordan please please please make a talk on stress for people talking care/ living with people with psychological disorders. I still with all the readings, training, and efforts of not to relive my mother's experience with bipolar, watching her suffering as a child and while growing up still affecting my life, character, and behaviour. Your talks and books have been hepful though

@thetotaldepravity 6 ай бұрын

Glad you have Robert on the podcast. I liked his book Behave so much I sent him a thank you letter. What a mammoth effort that must have taken to write, and as a person without much knowledge on this topic, I found his book very readable. It was hard work, but he wrote it in a way that with some effort, the average thinking reader can understand it. He also replied to my thank you email!

@MrMikkyn 6 ай бұрын

That is so cool

@markplimsoll 6 ай бұрын

I loved the footnote that "I have no f__king idea what I just wrote" or something similar! Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢 Sapolsky has no Free Will. His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.

@user-mi8ts6ph5c 6 ай бұрын

Truly enjoyed the conversation and I wish it had gone one for another hour! Thank you!

@brittaj68 6 ай бұрын

I really liked how they modeled listening and giving the other speaker the benefit of the doubt so they could hear the point. 2 of my 3 favorite professors! Thank you

@boskiu 6 ай бұрын

Such a great conversation. Two great minds. Thank you JP and Robert Sapolsky 🙌🏻

@triplea657aaa 6 ай бұрын

Wow, what a conversation. I've studied a bit of game theory, but this conversation really made everything click and linked so many concepts together. Fantastic discussion.

@jimmyjimmy7240 6 ай бұрын

There are so many videos of people saying many profound things about a topic, but it's rare, especially in such a short amount of time, for two people to say so many profound things about so many profound topics, especially when they're related. This is one of the most amazing conversations I've heard in a long time.

@Trifacta1 6 ай бұрын

We absolutely need a part 2!

@purplemania4342 6 ай бұрын

I am a Robert Sapolsky stan. I've watched many of his behavioural psychology lectures. It's his tone of voice and inflections, how he tells stories, it's hard to forget. Plus he outtalked Jordan here hehehehe. This is a 5 star episode.⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

@kevincorso9757 6 ай бұрын

loved it, would watch as many conversations between these two as they decide to make

@JohariW 6 ай бұрын

Very nice to see Robert on Lawrence Krauss podcast last week, and now listen to him talk to the great Dr. Peterson. Very informative.

@magdapeszko8308 6 ай бұрын

I was thinking about this interview one month ago . So happy they decided to handle this interview.

@EverH0p3 6 ай бұрын

Not sure how to write this with precision but... OMG what an amazing conversation... these guys just fleshed out in comprehendable words that which Ive only been able to define the basic outline of in my miasmic imaginings. Like feelings made tangible. Liquid to solid. Great to see JP leaning into this with such clarity and Robert S the master, so deftly refining, enhancing and building the structures JP constructs.

@allyourbase888 6 ай бұрын

Like the satisfaction of clicking puzzle pieces together

@jusryan13 6 ай бұрын

I click on Jordan's video thumbnails usually because he sparks my interests mildly but I always become enthralled by not only the topic but the conversation and the passion of the experts he interviews. I could not leave this video! I had to stay and watch and listen and be absolutely focussed with curiosity like a motivated student of life itself. A delightful conversation and so profoundly articulated at every turning point as one revelation lead to another. This was Epic!

@markplimsoll 6 ай бұрын

"Epic?" Gen Z? This was a victimization of real science. JP is NOT a scientist. Search "Why is psychology NOT considered a science?" JP is a menace to World Peace by eruditely promoting religion, 4,000 year old fairy tales that groups EXCLUSIVELY MALE use to control women mostly, and everything else. The PROCESS of Evolution created gods and religious societies by enhancing reproduction, just as it does with cars, fast food, and New Improved Tide. Does JP have legions of rapists waiting on his command? 😮 Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptisiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢 Sapolsky has no Free Will. His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.

@tomtom21194 6 ай бұрын

Watched some of Robert's lectures a while back. He is incredibly funny and engaging

@germanfloze 6 ай бұрын

Me too! It's amazing how many good lectures are available online including Robert's and JBP's.

@jamesthecat 6 ай бұрын

@@germanflozeIt's *such* a great resource, I hope students are using it to the full. So many world-class lectures at the touch of a button! I wish it had been available when I was at university!

@MahatmaGhandi-qh4nt 6 ай бұрын

His books, Monkey Luv and Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers are absolutely fantastic reads. Highly recommend.

@BrandonJohnson-kt7uj 6 ай бұрын

I was wondering if a conversation between these two would ever happen!! Thank you!

@moilanea 6 ай бұрын

Looking forward to round 2 gentlemen! Love Sapolsky's work. Such a legend.

@ahsankhan-rn1ju 6 ай бұрын

I never imagined seeing these two together, what a treat! ❤

@16gabyalbavera 6 ай бұрын

My God! I've dreamt of this interview for years. Two of my favorite contemporary intellectuals, not to mention, two men that have impacted my life for good.

@allyourbase888 6 ай бұрын

@@MichelleLouiseDavis”I feel giddied with intellectual stimulation.” ~ R. Sapolsky at the end of the interview. You may not like Peterson or his views but to say he isn’t an intellectual is a lie. You are a mean baboon.

@markplimsoll 6 ай бұрын

Your "god?" JP is a menace to World Peace by erudtely promoting religion, 4,000 year old fairy tales that groups EXCLUSIVELY MALE use to control women mostly, and everything else. The PROCESS of Evolution created gods and religious societies by enhancing reproduction, just as it does with cars, fast food, and New Improved Tide. Does JP have legions of rapists waiting on his command? 😮 Does Sapolsky realize he got roped into a long advertisement for a surreptitiously religious Anti-Planned Parenthood organization begging for donations to take away women's Rights to Choose? 😢😢😮😢😢 Sapolsky has no Free Will. His need to promote his ideas left him vulnerable to unknowingly (?) supporting something else he denies - gods.

@ms.47 6 ай бұрын

I requested this connection so long ago in the comment section of another one of your videos🎉 I was dying to hear two of my favorite people just picking each other's brains❤❤❤❤❤

@jessewallace12able 6 ай бұрын

Oh my word. One of the best conversations I have heard in a long time. Thanks JP for getting Sapolsky on. Thanks Sapolsky for doing this.

@michgobera1 6 ай бұрын

It's a real privilege to listen to both minds talking to each other. I would love to see these two guys discussing free will.

@chadreilly 2 ай бұрын

I'm guessing Jordan, or his people, scheduled this talk contingent on the idea they DON'T talk about free will. For reasons that are not mysterious, lol

@michaelsatoshi705 6 ай бұрын

Two men that restore my dwindling faith in the intellect of humanity.

@Ileyon 6 ай бұрын

I desperately need a follow up interview between the two of you, interesting is a massive understatement!

@dougiemarks9852 6 ай бұрын

I’ve literally been waiting for this conversation since 2016!

@benrees8797 6 ай бұрын

This is amazing. Multiple puzzle pieces that answer multiple aspects I have been searching for. Absolutely brilliant work. Thankyou

@allyourbase888 6 ай бұрын

Same here. Absolutely revelatory.

@JMFritz08 6 ай бұрын

Gentlemen, thank you for sharing this discussion online, I admire its intellectual depth. If I had faith that universities had professors of your pedigree remaining in their ranks, perhaps academia would give me more of a dopamine kick when I consider the cost of admittance vice what they offer 😊. Thank you again gentlemen, I wish you both the best!

@RickMacDonald19 6 ай бұрын

Amazing conversation!! Must listen!! Timely, significant, and captivating. Listened to three times so far, such a fruitful talk!!

@frankthehead 5 ай бұрын

This was the most engaging conversation i’ve watched in so long!

@treyreeves7631 6 ай бұрын

I wish with all my might that Peterson and Sapolsky become best of friends and have these kinds of discussions over coffee 3x per week

@N3Rd32 6 ай бұрын

I'm really happy to see these two in an interview together. I've been a fan of Robert for years and have watched the vast majority of his lectures online.

@laserflexr6321 6 ай бұрын

Oh no way. Years ago I went through Robert Sapolski's entire video lecture set from a Stanford course and was fascinated by neurochemistry, how parasites can manipulate that chemstry in the host, all that. Perfect teacher for my learning style. Thanks Robert! You should really check out those lectures, it will take hours to go through them but I promise you will be glad you did. And here we have a convo between him and Jordan Peterson?!?!. This will be fantastic!

@margaritaalvarez8462 4 ай бұрын

What a truly wonderful and fascinating conversation. I hope a part 2 is in the works.

@theOmKumar 6 ай бұрын

Two of my fav professors 😢 I definitely felt the dopamine rush in the anticipation of watching it.

@Christina-yd9fe 6 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for having this conversation with Robert.

@agarustertius3144 6 ай бұрын

I wanted to hear this conversation so much!

@mikenoe9275 6 ай бұрын

I have been listening to a lot of your videos Jordan you have helped me self reflect on things. I would love to have a one on one which I know your so busy that wont happen but I wanted to let you know you have made a difference in my life thanks.

@JCGriffith 6 ай бұрын

For some reason I was expecting this to be more of a debate, like JP's chats with Sam Harris. What a warm and friendly surprise.

@Snake-filledChimp 6 ай бұрын

That was a really fast hour and 45 minutes. Loved it, very fascinating ideas and information.

@ThomasSteinbacher 4 ай бұрын

Thank you for organizing these conversations and preparing them so well with so much enthusiasm! And of course thanks for your clarity in your arguments. I have just one wish: please leave more room for your excellent guests, I think they deserve it. Thanks!

@futureSydney 5 ай бұрын

I'm only half way through and this podcast is BLOWING MY MIND

@GameGijs 6 ай бұрын

The fear of psychopaths being enabled with the virtualisation of the world is strikingly well articulated starting at 28:09. Let this remind us that tech and algorithms should be shaped responsibly, preventing psychopaths from winning the "game". Bravo for this conversation!

@Yayag69 6 ай бұрын

What a fantastic and insightful conversation. Thanks to both!

@TheSamoura88 6 ай бұрын

This was the pairing we needed. Please have a part 2

@SparkyFinch 6 ай бұрын

So glad they did this!! Please do another!

@haustia 6 ай бұрын

Finally you guys meet up! I was woundering what JP had to say about Sapolsky's book Behave!

@CaptainJack351 6 ай бұрын

Dr Peterson, Dr Sapolsky, wow wow wow! Thank you so much for your enlightenment. More please! A recent interest I've had in the mythology of dragons, apparently they feature amongst the earliest myths we have, caused me to ask the question "why is that?" I speculate that the myths are an integral part of the formation of civilization in as much as a dragon might represent rage. And here is where I found this podcast especially interesting as it wound up chatting about the change in aggression of the baboon troop and the mechanisms by which it occurred. It caused me to think that one of the most important attributes of early man was that of garnishing an understanding (meaning an outside perspective) and then trying to defeat rage itself. Hence the later mythology of the knight defeating the dragon "inside himself" to win the admiration of the maiden. Because what use is a man who hasn't conquered his rage to any unified group? There doesn't seem to be an age limit to this story. One could almost say it's the central hidden theme of all the worlds religions? Rage seems to be so devastating to any group or civilization, yet we persist under it's blinding influence. I also speculate that early man may have gained an outside perspective by observing other species and specifically by observing dogs. I find it very interesting that dogs have been alongside us for so long and that they can so easily fly into rage at the drop of a hat. Our alter egos unleashed maybe . But certainly placing us in a great position to observe. Thanks again.

@user-bq6bp5ze2w 6 ай бұрын

Prisoners dilemna and game theory has to be one of my favourite pieces I've ever learned, especially because its so easily observed and also successfully applied.

@efortune357 6 ай бұрын

The first time I saw Robert Sapolsky was in the "Human Nature" part of the documentary "Zeitgeist: Moving Forward". It blew my mind. All the stuff on behavior is absolutely fascinating. And it also introduced me to people like Richard Wilkinson, Gabor Mate, James Gilligan. Absolute giants in their field. And I'm grateful to be able to learn from them. I've since listened to every lecture and interview w Sapolsky I can find. And I think they've made me a better person.