The Packers Were the Worst Cheaters Ever
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Күн бұрынThe Green Bay Packers put together a dynasty in the 1960s, the likes of which we may never see again. But during one particular game in 1967 against the St. Louis Cardinals, the Packers attempted to cheat in a Spygate-esque move in order to gain a competitive advantage, and they went about this in, quite literally, the worst way possible
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@Jason_Maier 16 күн бұрын
Speaking of the Cardinals, yesterday (7-2-24 for those watching in the future) former Cardinals head coach Charley Winner hit the big 100. A major win in the game of life.
@andrewpadaetz5549 16 күн бұрын
Winner I remember more for succeeding his father in law, Weeb Ewbank, as Jets HC in 1974.
@andrewpadaetz5549 16 күн бұрын
@@matthewdaley746 dark days followed for the Jets basically since Super Bowl III. What did Namath do for this to happen?
@DolFan316 16 күн бұрын
@@andrewpadaetz5549 He obviously sold his soul to win that game and have it be pretty much the only reason he made the Hall Of Fame. I figured it was common knowledge.
@joeylawn36111 16 күн бұрын
😎
@joeylawn36111 16 күн бұрын
@@DolFan316 No "soul selling" needed - the Jets won because of their Defense - they intercepted 4 Colts passes in the game and held the Colts scoreless through 3+ quarters (final score 16-7 New York).
@anthonyrivera4735 16 күн бұрын
The cardinals usually had winning seasons in the 1960s, but never even made the playoffs.
@DolFan316 16 күн бұрын
And the 1970 team, don't forget them!
@BrianClaycomb 14 күн бұрын
Just spent over 15 minutes to learn that in 1967 a Packers PR guy, there for business earlier in the day, was chased out of the stands when he attempted to observe practice
@DolFan316 16 күн бұрын
BTW the #1 key to winning Monopoly is to gain control of the orange color group. You do that and you've got it made in the shade even if it's 120 degrees out.
@DolFan316 16 күн бұрын
Another key factor in the Cards' loss was settling for 12 and 8 yard FGs. Remember, back then the goalposts were at the front of the end zone instead of the back so they were kicking from the actual 12 and 8 yard lines. If analytics had existed they'd have been raked over the coals for that.
@DolFan316 16 күн бұрын
I stand corrected. I forgot to account for the ball actually being kicked from 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage which means the Cards were actually on the 1 and 5 yard lines when they decided to settle for 3, which makes it even WORSE 😳
@LegendaryDorkKnight 16 күн бұрын
I mean...at least put on one of those fake noses with the big glasses and mustache. That would have at least been more effort than just walking in and grabbing a conspicuous seat in the obviously empty stands.
@joeylawn36111 16 күн бұрын
A la Bobby Valentine 1999
@lesliebell4189 16 күн бұрын
7:56 Which is worse than if you did nothing but spike the ball into the ground on every single play.
@higgy04 13 күн бұрын
Always ready to hear that quote
@lonewolfjedi493osswfan 16 күн бұрын
It’s like, “ Tell us you’re cheating without actually telling us you’re cheating”
@a.grimes4202 16 күн бұрын
The moral is “If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying.” And clearly it paid off for the Packers. *🤷*
@marcus813 16 күн бұрын
I also wish that footage of Charlie Winner chasing Chuck Lane out of the stadium existed! That would've been so fun to watch!
@CTubeMan 16 күн бұрын
Have you thought of doing re-enactments in your videos?
@Cyber_kumo 16 күн бұрын
*Yakety Sax playing in the background*
@jimtrack3786 15 күн бұрын
I am a Browns fan living in Wisconsin. I have no love for the Packers but in fairness, this was one man cheating and not a team effort. Green Bay runs a respectable franchise.
@barbaracaroll 16 күн бұрын
NFL even played on a Saturday night 1970 Cardinals at Rams no national TV game started at 11pm eastern
@Hogtownboy1 16 күн бұрын
Missed hearing “ …spiked the ball…” for a while. And dissing your sister. It was so fun
@jackmessick2869 16 күн бұрын
Never thought Bart Starr ever had a game that bad. Human after all.
@denisceballos9745 16 күн бұрын
I believe that was the only Monday night game that year. The Packers had that terrific defense with Willie Davis (87) sacking the QB, Herb Adderley (26) scoring on a pick six, and add to that, a dangerous kick returner in Travis Williams (23), running back a kickoff 93 yards for the winning TD. They didn’t even need cheating by their PR man. They had it all.
@DolFan316 16 күн бұрын
The '67 Packers were running on fumes and Lombardi knew it, which is why he "retired" only to coach another team 2 years later.
@Tyrunner0097 16 күн бұрын
@@DolFan316 Their defense and special teams were still top-notch in 1967. Their offense had trouble because 1) Bart Starr had an injury on his throwing hand in the first half of the 1967 season, and 2) Virtually all their running backs got injured. Fullback Jim Grabowski had a knee injury virtually all year, Elijah Pitts got a season-ending injury as well in the middle of the season, and at one point, all the Packers had for active running backs were Travis Williams (who was really just a kick returner), Ben Wilson, and Donny Anderson. They had to claim Chuck Mercein off waivers.
@DolFan316 16 күн бұрын
@@Tyrunner0097 The majority of the starters on both sides of the ball were 30 or over at that point, they had pretty much no adequate replacements waiting in the wings, and Lombardi knew '67 was going to be the last ride regardless. Jerry Kramer's book details all of this and strongly implies that Vince had to exert far more effort than usual to keep things on the right track. As far as the RB situation goes the '67 Packers actually ran for more yards at a higher yards per carry than '66 with just as many TDs. That wasn't the problem nearly as much as Starr's performance being significantly worse (something else Kramer's book covers in detail) and even then they scored just 3 fewer points than '66.
@andrewpadaetz5549 14 күн бұрын
@@Tyrunner0097 and it was Mercein who made two key back to back plays to get the Pack from the 30 to the 2 in the final drive of the Ice Bowl.
@user-fn3ur5xd6m 14 күн бұрын
And the Packers won even with Lane being tossed out before he could actually take any notes. To call the Packers “the greatest cheaters ever” based on one man’s actions and during a time when it is likely that most, if not all, teams were looking for some sort of “competitive advantage” is disingenuous at best. They, or more specifically Chuck Lane, got caught.
@kyledabearsfan 16 күн бұрын
i knew this. :P im biased af. But in all fairness, all teams cheated back then. It was awesome. I love watching all the cheating stories, Papa Bear Halas taught a dog to run out on the field for an extra time out lol
@randytracy1742 16 күн бұрын
Chuck lane had a stupid game plan and it didn’t work the way he wanted! 😮😮😮😮
@hishaampharo 16 күн бұрын
Whenever I hear this man say 'passer rating' I just feel the 'which is worse than if he did nothing but spike the ball into the ground on every single play' brewing😅
@jamesn3513 15 күн бұрын
This video is talking about the days when people were honest. He was sitting watching a practice and taking notes. It probably didn’t occur to him how illegal it was.
@tomcollins5112 16 күн бұрын
I think the worst case of cheating in NFL history (at least modern history) was in the 1979 AFC Divisional playoff game between the Oilers and the Chargers, when the Oilers stole the Chargers offensive signals and shut down their offense. It was the worst because it cost the Chargers franchise probably their best chance ever to win a Super Bowl. The Chargers had handily defeated both the Rams and the Steelers that season (the two participants in Super Bowl XIV), so you would have to consider them the favorites to win the Super Bowl that year. Dr. Z of Sports Illustrated wrote a short article about the sign stealing, so this is a documented case of cheating. If I were a Chargers fan, I would still be ticked off about it over 40 years later.
@mrbob8618 16 күн бұрын
By law, you're required to announce any advertiser if you're paid by them or given product by them to advertise for the company
@danielbowden6330 16 күн бұрын
"Busch League" activity, right?
@DolFan316 16 күн бұрын
As a DolFan it's SO cathartic to see Saint Vince get called out for cheating (indirectly) for once, after Shula has pretty much been labeled the biggest cheater of all time by some people despite Al Davis, Bill Belichick, Mike Shanahan and Ed DeBartolo existing.
@bobvylan7215 16 күн бұрын
Pointing out other cheaters doesn’t eliminate the fact Shula was a cheater too. It was just the game at the time, and back then win at all costs really meant that. People were being paid as coaches to win, so they protected the paycheck. Shula cheated as much or more than anyone you named. He was also successful when the game changed which you can’t say about some of those other guys, but yeah…he was one of the first cheater class coaches. Judging him by the standards of now he wouldn’t be a coach.
@DolFan316 16 күн бұрын
@@bobvylan7215 Exactly how did Shula cheat any worse than Al Davis? And to even put him in the same universe as Belichick or teams who knowingly violated the salary cap is ludicrous.
@bobvylan7215 16 күн бұрын
@@DolFan316 Al Davis? Not comparable. Jets had a pretty solid case on Shula may want to look into. Can trace back to Shula forcing players to take pain killers to play, or cutting them. May want to look into the accusations behind the perfect season as well. From players on that team. I never once discounted the people you named, not one, but you’ve hidden behind those names to justify Shula. He is as guilty as anyone you named. Pain killers being forced on players, or deflating a ball? Which is worse? Don’t walk into an argument you clearly haven’t researched.
@DolFan316 16 күн бұрын
@@bobvylan7215 Can you prove that it was Shula forcing players to take painkillers and not the team medical staff? Can you even prove the players were forced to at all instead of doing it of their own free will? And lastly, can you prove other teams weren't doing the exact same thing even IF you prove the first two things? The 2020s has made me stop taking accusations seriously without proof other than "I heard" or "someone else said".
@DolFan316 16 күн бұрын
@@bobvylan7215 As for the Jets thing, you (and NFL historians) conveniently forget the Patriots ACTUALLY CHEATING that very same season in the Snow Plow game while the officials stood there watching. So even if Shula deliberately cheated (and again, you'd have to prove he ordered the grounds crew to leave the field uncovered which I highly doubt you can do) then it merely evens things out. The Snow Plow game might even legitimately be the single most blatant example of in-game cheating in NFL if not sports history.
@CTubeMan 16 күн бұрын
This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about how the Broncos cheated before their game against the Patriots in 1960.
@Kylora2112 14 күн бұрын
And for the record, Spygate wasn't *that* the Patriots were filming the Jets' signals (that always has been and still is 100% legal), it's *where* they filmed from (adjacent to the press box instead of inside of it).
@sparklerbc9898 16 күн бұрын
Obviously he didnt know it was illegal to watch practice and take notes and figured since he was in the building anyway he'd do it. incredibly, laughably ignorant of the rules, yes. consciously trying to cheat? no.
@Tyrunner0097 16 күн бұрын
Not an excuse, but Bart Starr had an injury on the thumb of his throwing hand for the first part of the 1967 season, hence his passing numbers were pretty bad to start the season.
@MichaelMitchRailfan2009 16 күн бұрын
Hey JG9, on your other channel (JG9 News) can you please talk about conflict schedules with American Music Awards 8:00 PM and CBS Doubleheader during week 5, because I don’t know if it’ll run into 8:00 PM and SNF starts at 8:20 PM, is there anyway that CBS and NFL can do about that time on that day?
@andrewpadaetz5549 16 күн бұрын
Don’t think there will be a change. CBS and NBC will view this as “alternative programming” to the AMA’s.
@DolFan316 16 күн бұрын
I don't see what the problem is. Nobody watches the AMAs or any of those celebrity circle jerk awards shows. Nor should they.
@PockyFiend 15 күн бұрын
The AMAs are just the late Dick Clark's copy of the Grammies, and would you really miss football for The Grammies?
@tompiper1480 16 күн бұрын
This reminds me of the Michigan spy scandal last year
@frederickhampel5452 15 күн бұрын
Unmentioned is his understanding of, and key role in building, military air transport. As critical to success as the combat roles of a modern air force.
@RetroJR3379 14 күн бұрын
That's why I played the video game version of Monopoly 😆
@darrinbyers1785 16 күн бұрын
Packers never cheated. Brady cheated all the time
@cmdrflake 16 күн бұрын
He had to have been emboldened by a successful attempt at observing an opponent’s practice. Makes you wonder if he had been successful at some point. Just saying…😊
@lesliebell4189 16 күн бұрын
The related videos are not coming up in the upper right corner.
@OfficialJaguarGator9 16 күн бұрын
That’s odd. I’ll look into that and should be able to have a fix by tonight!
@jimh3595 13 күн бұрын
Not a surprise. This guy does not do his homework and his takes are, to put it mildly, juvenile
@OfficialJaguarGator9 13 күн бұрын
@@jimh3595 Or (a more likely scenario than not doing my homework, even though everything is literally sourced and I've studied the history of the game my whole life)... maybe the links in the upper right corner just didn't save
@josephcarmen9608 15 күн бұрын
It sounds like the dude was acting alone and didnt get to take notes at all.
@higgy04 13 күн бұрын
I wonder if the football Cardinals played on a Monday Night because the baseball Cardinals had played in the World Series against the Red Sox earlier in the month?
@CTubeMan 16 күн бұрын
Are you saying your sister is a Rattlesnake from Montgomery Tech?
@joshbeezley4158 12 күн бұрын
This guy just doesn't like the Packers. He's literally never made a video highlighting anything good they did. And boy, there's over 100 years' worth of stuff to talk about. He puts out lots of the bad and only that. Take anything this "historian" says with a grain of salt.
@marcwhitlock5450 16 күн бұрын
Randal from recess vibes down to the notepad
@joeylawn36111 16 күн бұрын
Sounds like he didn't care if he got caught or not.
@zrwz66 16 күн бұрын
Really good hooks on these vidz.
@shawngreene1225 15 күн бұрын
This is the NFL way despite them acting like this is so taboo it’s not it’s happened since the inception of the game
@_Boobear_ 14 күн бұрын
It was one guy not the whole team
@jimh3595 13 күн бұрын
Oh, the horror. LOL. Did tony walter write this? LOL2
@emorimiku 16 күн бұрын
this one is getting a big HUH? from me
@kevinramsey417 16 күн бұрын
In this house we say "I'm sorry, WHAT???"
@jackmessick2869 16 күн бұрын
Charlie Winner is still alive and just had his 200th birthday on the 2nd. Not sure why he didn't mention that.
@colinemler2356 16 күн бұрын
Id be mad too if i was jags fan
@aarronvanburen8612 11 күн бұрын
As a Cardinals fan who defected from packer land, this doesn't surprise me. Born in the 90s so this is the first I've heard of it
@luisreyes1963 16 күн бұрын
As a disgruntled Bears fan, that story was "Chicken Soup For The Soul". 😊
@brandonthejobber3674 16 күн бұрын
Were 🤨or are 🧐
@robertbuck1874 14 күн бұрын
A lot to do about nothing, enjoyed the highlights though
@bronsonbamnallen1633 16 күн бұрын
A Packer bashing video. I am here for it all.
@SokemRokemRobot 6 күн бұрын
This narrator sounds like an expert cheater.
@jevonjaconi 16 күн бұрын
Blasphemy! :)
@MustacheDLuffy 15 күн бұрын
Everyone knew the packers were cheaters that’s why they’re losers 😂
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