In this video we get a little worried as the new Defender 90 wont start as it has a flat battery but even after charging the battery it gets in a pickle ! It turns out the problem is the deployable tow bar.
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@silktvPDR1 Жыл бұрын
Great to see LR are still using customers to do its fault finding and development!
@L663 Жыл бұрын
It was my fault the battery went flat ... but the resultant stuff seems over dramatic !
@jamescaley9942 Жыл бұрын
@@L663 If it secretly draws 10amps while doing nothing that is insane complexity.
@L663 Жыл бұрын
@@jamescaley9942 See my other video where we analysed this kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ibOaartzr5qch4E.html
@Stubear22374 Жыл бұрын
Lovely to see Land Rover hasn’t changed much, expensive vehicles that still have the same issues as all previous motors did. my d3 was a nightmare at time for faults ghost faults oddities and craps put on you when you need it most, but we still love the old green oval despite this
@andrewjones-productions Жыл бұрын
Land Rover offer an exorbitantly priced pair of seats called 'Event seats' (or something) accessory for the luggage area of the Discovery 5. That means the tailgate being open all day long at anything from your local sheepdog trials to a gymkhana or even just the village carnival! People will obviously go and eat or to the toilet or walk around and so you have constant opening and closing. A nice idea, but why haven't Land Rover put an 'Event' mode in tandem with this concept in the infotainment system which you can select upon arrival that switches off everything but central locking and the interior lights. Switching the engine back on would or could automatically cancel 'Event mode'.
@thelonewolf6662 ай бұрын
i really like your channel as everytime i feel i want a landrover--- i watch one of your videos and then smack myself around the head and come to my senses, cheers brother, that swing out tow hitch in the uk models is a giggle, no one uses them in australia
@L6632 ай бұрын
I hear you - i think wanted / owning a Land Rover will soon be classed as a form of neurologically divergent !
@bungle5785 Жыл бұрын
Ha ha, I'm glad you're enjoying the true LR experience. I chuckled my way through that video, great content.
@mda5003 Жыл бұрын
It seems modern vehicles need to be kept on a 'maintenance' charger when not being used for several days - especially if the doors/bonnet/boot/tailgate are repeatedly being opened and closed etc. Even switching on the ignition without starting the engine the battery voltage will drop considerably before slowly recovering when switched off - assuming the battery is still healthy enough. A discharged battery can leave various faults which may need to be cleared or the vehicle driven - with mine the windows also need to opened and closed to re-set one-touch operation.
@philippemariloussian5218 Жыл бұрын
I think what is missing on the dashboard is a big red emergency button call “RESET” 😂 …. That video is a treat for ASPW 😮😅😂
@L663 Жыл бұрын
Yes mush as I hate to give ASPW reason to comment it was what happened
@philippemariloussian5218 Жыл бұрын
@@L663 🤒🤐😅😂
@jonstevens5962 Жыл бұрын
That alarm’s gonna terrify the baddies.
@L663 Жыл бұрын
Turns out its not so much of an alarm than a cry for help !
@dxg999 Жыл бұрын
@@L663 Is it maybe meant to sound if the tow bar loses its "locked into positionness" while towing? It's the kind of thing that would make you pull over to figure it out...
@grahamp4384 Жыл бұрын
The alternator on my supercharged L494 failed a few months ago. I got about twenty minutes of driving from it before all kinds of warning lights start flashing up and superfluous systems began shutting down, including the gearbox locking itself into a high gear. Very Apollo 13! Made it home but didn't have enough volts left to select reverse to get it on the drive. 😆
@cblack1green Жыл бұрын
Snap, had exactly the same on mine, mine killed the battery as well and stranded me on the road, it had to winched onto the recovery lorry.
@cotswoldphotographers Жыл бұрын
Thanks Simon really helpful. I’ve been lucky so far with my D250 110 13k miles and no battery issue whatsoever. I certainly can’t say the same for my previous XC90 which was blighted so bad that the start stop function never worked. Additionally my wife had a beatle and needed to replace 2 batteries!! I’ve been meaning to look at setting up a trickle charge system for my 110 while the car is locked up and not in use but would be interested to see if you have a plan before I do anything. Looking at some of the other comments I think it’s far to easy to keep knocking LR about issues which happen to all manufacturers.
@L663 Жыл бұрын
The flat battery was my fault - the issues for me here are 1) why did the alarm keep going ? 2) why did I not get a clear message on the screen of the issue 3) why does the tow bar need resetting - it had not moved - it should be more resiliant - it does not give an issue when the battery is disconnected. I posted this video not to knock LR but to help others if they have the same issue.
@cotswoldphotographers Жыл бұрын
Absolutely Simon and I wasn’t saying you was knocking LR I merely meant that issues like this happen a lot now and that it’s not just LR that have these issues and especially where so much technology is involved. I agree that a more detailed error log would have been helpful so perhaps LR will take this onboard. As a community we are lucky to have someone like you with your knowledge in our corner. 👍
@Timmt092 ай бұрын
Try a solar panel charger like the caravaning peopl use it should stop battery going flat
@TheWrongBrother Жыл бұрын
Considering the battery drain, and the number of actuators included with the vehicle for various functions, the Defender does indeed look like it would benefit from a dual battery setup, one for core functions and another for non core. I wonder how much more drain that main battery will suffer when higher power accessories are added/optioned to the vehicle like a sunroof, winch, overlanding lights etc. especially those that might need to work when the vehicle is switched off.
@mikeclark4416 Жыл бұрын
I thought for a moment Land Rover had changed their ways in turning out bad vehicles ,and started building reliable ones ! ,but thats been dashed !
@L663 Жыл бұрын
Hi Mike - to be fair to Land Rover the flat battery was in part my fault as it has had the doors opened and closed a lot recently. The rear tow bar module needs a software tweak or the BCM ( Body control module ) needs to cut power to it when in low power mode to protect it from seeing low voltage.
@markwall6651 Жыл бұрын
Simon I was shouting at the phone to check the towbar!! Usually when started the sound last for around 20 Seconds then turns off till next restart, had my dealer fooled too till We saw the flashing light! No cameras- just soft reset the pivi pro by Holding down the volume button for thirty seconds reboots the system!!!
@L663 Жыл бұрын
So it is not just me ! I hope the video helps others who have the same issue !
@markwall6651 Жыл бұрын
@@L663 it surely will do an help dealers too😉
@j.everett56458 ай бұрын
Once you stop the car, and before exiting, put the key into a farady bag (around AUD$12) . This stop the key talking the car and not initiate the Pivi-pro system etc that cause the battery to flatten. The car stays asleep so yo can open the close the doors as much as you like with no impact on the battery.
@Alisilverado Жыл бұрын
It happened for me last week The battery got flat And try to jump it Didn’t work Send it to dealer The battery was dead They changed it And test the car no drain Strange my car 2020 6000 mile only 😅
@L663 Жыл бұрын
The battery has a hard life on the Defender ! probably harder than it needs to have really....
@Snacksaregood Жыл бұрын
Could a faulty battery cause issues with the air conditioning? I’m having a weird issue with my air conditioner not blowing the same power setting in the back as the front. It also blows much hotter in the back as well.
@eliotmansfield Жыл бұрын
need a decent constant voltage high current power supply - as you can see the house loads of these things are in the region of 10-15 amp, so doors open and filming for 30 mins will drain it quickly. I use modified server power supplies that will provide up to 50 amp. The dealers have these for when doing firmware updates to maintain a decent voltage level
@L663 Жыл бұрын
We do have a sealey power supply we use for ECU programming which would have been a better choice !
@rogermadeley7413 Жыл бұрын
Nice if it's outside and it's snowing/raining and you have 20 mins to get to work. I have a Freelander 2 (2008) which has had the same battery for 5 yrs with no problems but have just replaced it now for the winter. Way too many electrics on these new models to be reliable.
@L663 Жыл бұрын
Electric devices are fine - care needs to be taken how power is used on modern cars.
@fenflyer Жыл бұрын
I stick with a good old P38 🤣
@AndyK.1 Жыл бұрын
You and parking cameras 😂
@L663 Жыл бұрын
Now i am confused....
@burgerbirger2221 Жыл бұрын
With a high parasitic drain like that and just one battery, no wonder the ECU goes poopy in it's pants and need to be reset. Just a safety thing, not to damage the ECU.
@stevenmoran4060 Жыл бұрын
How very strange! Might be an idea to have a word with the dealer to see if it’s a new thing or something they know about. Really stupid idea putting the battery under an electric seat, if you broke down,as we did in a 6 month old new car, all the dashboard died. But RAC man came eventually and said the battery was gone. But at least ours was under the bonnet, how would you replace yours if you can’t get to it cos the seat won’t move?
@L663 Жыл бұрын
Yes it seems to be the tow bar causing some problems - but it did not indicate that when i turned the ignition on early in the video - only when i actually start the car ! I guess you would have to attach a battery to the points in the engine bay and then use this to power the seats.. to get to the battery ! The 90 would be so much better with the seats like The Stig - manual slide but electric recline etc.... did you see my TikTok on this...www.tiktok.com/@powerfuluk/video/7162902608879947014?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1&lang=en
@timothyknight7881 Жыл бұрын
We don’t have a deployable tow bar in the USA. Seems like something else to go wrong.
@petermorris3665 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. Seems to me like a complicated solution to a problem that did not exist - A bit like electric handbrakes.
@L663 Жыл бұрын
I am a big fan of the electric handbrake - in its latest form with motor on caliper - the motor and cable version was a disaster.
@timothyknight7881 Жыл бұрын
I can’t get my Defender to turn off the Hold function of the break. Turned off now, but it still automatically does what it wants. And it is not handy when parking in my garage.
@jonathanranollo342911 ай бұрын
Hello! I am waiting for the delivery of my Defender 110 X-Dynamic HSE P400. What battery charger should I use? Thanks for your help.
@seanskinner3863 ай бұрын
Sorry to ask a question on an older video. I have read about issues if the battery completely dies it cannot be just recharged/jump started but needs a trip to the dealer (a computer or gap tool etc). Is that true? I am having trouble confirming with simple searches. I’ll reach out to my local LR dealership but I don’t always get the best service. Just wondering if you had experienced this.
@L6633 ай бұрын
I have run the battery flat loads of times and never had to use a computer to reset it !
@888johnmac Жыл бұрын
main vehicle battery under the electric seat ?? how many engineers with how many degrees thought that was a good idea ?? ( yeah i know there is a jump point under the bonnet , but come on )
@L663 Жыл бұрын
I dont mind it under the seat.... low centre of gravity... not exposed to temperature variations....but the electric seat is annoying in the 90 and its slow !
@ecossearthur Жыл бұрын
Several other manufacturers place the batteries underneath the seats.
@peternash6206 Жыл бұрын
Have you found an informed Land Rover technician who can buddy up with you with some of these bizarre faults? What an amazing opportunity for Land Rover to clear the air.
@L663 Жыл бұрын
I am more than open to have a dialogue with LR - there are some issues with my local dealership in terms of tech support.
@peternash6206 Жыл бұрын
@@L663 I gave up with Land Rover Swindon many years ago but wonder if it is worth asking Land Rover UK if they could hotline a techie or techie department to work with you. Keep up the good work. One small criticism is that you do not always tell us how the dealer resolved some of these bizarre hiccups. Keep the pressure on and always enjoy the videos.
@L663 Жыл бұрын
@@peternash6206 Hi - so far every time I have taken the car to the dealers with an issue they have struggled to fix the issue - a couple of times I have fixed them when the dealer could not - I am having some issues with the dealer at the moment but would rather not focus on this.
@peternash6206 Жыл бұрын
@@L663 Good luck and thanks for the channel - I now live in Spain and try to do my own fixes so your videos are invaluable.
@JC-xw7ml Жыл бұрын
Must be because it’s in the garage being worked on a lot and not being driven much. I drive around 15 to 20 Miles a day and use mine for work, I must open the doors at least 20 times a day to get stuff out. More for the back door (using the boot button doesn’t fire up Pivi system) never had low battery warning in 2 years. 🤞🏼
@L663 Жыл бұрын
The flat battery was my fault - lack of use - but it seemed to get itself into way too much of a pickle ?
@somoneac26 Жыл бұрын
After the latest update, the Pivi Pro stays on even though I got out the car and the door was closed. I needed to lock the doors then it turns off.
@JC-xw7ml Жыл бұрын
@@somoneac26 yes, it was annoying when radio used to turn off after a couple of minutes if sitting in car. Now it doesn’t have to boot up every couple of minutes. Better in my opinion
@JC-xw7ml Жыл бұрын
@@L663 yeah, the tow bar thing was a bit weird, totally flat battery must cause the safety alerts to go a bit nuts before resetting
@HQBProductions Жыл бұрын
Simon…I suspect that you may not have driven the car enough to bring it up to full charge and that is why it gets upset . When I had a fading battery, it did strange things to the tailgate operation so the tow bar might have a similar reaction to being disconnected or run down? In my experience, any such problems clear if you stop, switch off, lock up, wait 30 seconds then reopen as normal. A new version of “unplug it, wait and plug it in again”…it seems to work! I think a nice 100 mile run would make a big difference! 🤔🫢😀😀😀😀
@alhit007 Жыл бұрын
Sorry if it’s a stupid question but is there not a plus and minus pole underneath the bonnet?. Or was that what you had charger connected to? So that you could put an external battery on it to start it?
@L663 Жыл бұрын
Yes there are and that could be used to start the car - my problem was not starting but stopping the noise.
@alhit007 Жыл бұрын
@@L663oh ok,love your style, at least we get a real life look at the problem, excellent 👌 keep it coming Simon,
@jimmyquinn9639 Жыл бұрын
Lovely job 🚗🚙🚘👍👍👍👍⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
@silverfox4113 Жыл бұрын
Too much electrical crap today!!!
@fredflintstone1 Жыл бұрын
first maybe wind the window down and disconnect the battery, I suspect that it has a seperate battery for the alarm as well
@alib6211 Жыл бұрын
So this is a 48v mild hybrid, does that mean the 48v lithium battery NOT the 12v AGM battery starts the engine? So land rover I guide says do not charge the 12v battery if connected to the car, how do you know which battery is flat/low and how can you charge the 48v battery? My P400 is also not a daily driver and it keeps having fits due to low 12v battery, starts fine but no electric powered steering, your disconnect/reconnect the 12v battery worked a treat
@L663 Жыл бұрын
Hi - this is an interesting point There is no way to see the status of the 48v battery that i can see - i thought the 48v battery was used for starting but that does not seem to be true !
@bugjuicer Жыл бұрын
So trying to start, made it sound like Scooby Doo..?
@brownfamily67 Жыл бұрын
Regarding repeatedly opening doors etc: My previous JLR vehicles have given a warning on the display when the battery is low something like “Low battery- please start engine” Does the Defender not do this?
@L663 Жыл бұрын
Yes the flat battery was my fault - the interesting thing about this video is how the car deals with it. This could happen ( and has happened ) when camping etc.
@soylentgreennewdealtimeshare Жыл бұрын
How far Land Rover has fallen since the days when England made proper Defenders and Range Rovers. It's tracking nicely with everything else.
@L663 Жыл бұрын
Its not all bad and if used daily this issue is less likely to occur !
@kimchurchill881 Жыл бұрын
Hi Simon what battery charger would you recommend for my Defender 110? Thanks Kim
@L663 Жыл бұрын
Any CTEK charger is good ! would go for at least 5 Amp version
@manorbleak1 Жыл бұрын
Poor example of an Xmas jumper :)
@L663 Жыл бұрын
I can improve !
@Pandora882 Жыл бұрын
That's just a jumper
@davidwilson4468 Жыл бұрын
If you have a flat battery and need to replace it how do you move the driver's seat to get to the battery if its flat? Is there some way to manually move it?
@L663 Жыл бұрын
Yes you can connect a battery to the points provided in the engine bay and that will give the seat power. If the seat motor fails that could be tricky... you need to move the seat to access the bolts to take the seats out !
@davidwilson4468 Жыл бұрын
@@L663 Dont you just love designers, what a silly idea!
@bodgerbill3 Жыл бұрын
Land Rover software is a pile of shit, so glad I sold my 90 (at a small profit).
@alansilver3482 Жыл бұрын
First time you have looked totally stressed.
@L663 Жыл бұрын
Yes it was mixture of stress and confusion ! Also this video was "live" when most others we have some time to get things worked out !
@dave206p3 Жыл бұрын
did you do a double-lock. I was told that shuts down the computers entirely.
@L663 Жыл бұрын
No I did not try that but i think it was going to complain until the tow bar was reset
@dave206p3 Жыл бұрын
@@L663 the car will give a quick horn beep after a double lock. Dealer said good to do it once in awhile to reset the onboard computers. Thanks for all the great videos they have been really helpful!
@philipbellew9645 Жыл бұрын
A great advert for the high tech reliance on the battery. Interlinking so much leaves the home diagnosis almost impossible to fathom. Flat battery = tow bar failure??? What would be the outcome of an MOT be with that buzzer going off? JLR have gone down a slippery slope of needless high tech to appeal to the i phone generation. Like an i phone, it does so much irrelevant stuff well but the actual phone operation is still clunky and poor. Defender use is marred by too much reliance on gizmos and bells (which appear flakey at best).
@L663 Жыл бұрын
I love all the gizmos but they need to controlled in a manner that does not impact the car.
@haanjamiis Жыл бұрын
Oh, JLR 🤦🤦♀🤦♂
@paulbrooker5203 Жыл бұрын
How many miles a day do you have to drive these cars to keep the battery charged up ?
@L663 Жыл бұрын
Its a good question - I guess it depends on type of driving and speed etc. Also depends on how often you open the doors when not driving. My car does not do enough and is always being worked on so its no surprise it gets a flat battery !
@hedydd2 Жыл бұрын
@@L663 Perhaps you should make a habit of connecting a charger on it while working on it. Personally I’d have jumped it off another vehicle or charged battery and run it for five miles or more, coming back and connecting the charger to it overnight. If totally discharged, a battery may be killed outright or will never regain its original cranking performance.
@paulbrooker5203 Жыл бұрын
@@L663 I was thinking about getting one but I live on a small island in the Hebrides and don't do alot of mileage so electric maybe the way to go
@L663 Жыл бұрын
@@paulbrooker5203 It is a great car and will probably be OK in normal use - I am sure Land Rover are working to reduce the static power drain and this can be done via software updates remotely.
@OverlandingwithBruce Жыл бұрын
Simon you do know all the haters are now going to say you see landrover is rubbish, that’s why o sold mine, that’s why I didn’t buy one blah blah, because no other vehicle has ever had a flat battery 😂 All owners should know logically this is a silly system and yes LR should get their asses kicked for this but it just needs to be managed. Did you not get a warning on the dash before it went flat?
@L663 Жыл бұрын
Hi Bruce - its only fair that i give the unbiased view - good and bad. This is indeed an issue that can be avoided but still could happen. The message should be clearer about the tow bar - and it should be a message on the IPC that you can acknowlege and clear - all that bonging is just not needed.
@OverlandingwithBruce Жыл бұрын
@@L663 agree 100% . My comment was tongue in cheek. Did it warn you?
@volvo24091 Жыл бұрын
Trying to steal your own car
@ecossearthur Жыл бұрын
Pivi reboot my ode!
@g0fvt Жыл бұрын
It is frustrating how awful dealers knowledge of modern cars is, with one of my own (not a LR) it took a little while to understand the eccentricities of it. The car had genuine faults that were easily fixed at home but that dealers seem incapable of diagnosing. Faultfinding strange behaviour of a vehicle at home can be great fun if you don't actually need to use it but the prospect of it having a tantrum when you are offroad and out of phone coverage is not funny.
@silverfox4113 Жыл бұрын
I think I will stick with my trusty 2004 Es premium discovery 2 Td5 these new ones are just too unreliable !
@L663 Жыл бұрын
Hope your chassis is OK - shame the chassis let down the Discovery 2
@mvirdi2333 Жыл бұрын
❤❤🙏🙏🇬🇧
@L663 Жыл бұрын
Hi Mr Virdi !
@timwright848 Жыл бұрын
Gotta wonder what these new defenders will be like in 20 year's time.
@L663 Жыл бұрын
The good news is that will be better as Land Rover will have improved the software with the updates from SOTA ( software over the air )
@buttyboy100 Жыл бұрын
My 1982 Series 3 doesn't seem to suffer these problems. Imagine being away from home, miles from anywhere and having to depend on this hairdresser's high street cruiser.
@L663 Жыл бұрын
@@buttyboy100 Happy to do a head to head test if you fancy.... New V Old....
@timwright848 Жыл бұрын
I'm just not sure that the new defender is or will be as robust as the old one my 2003 110 gets alot of abuse without many issues but the new defender looks a little.....fragile, it's seems to be a premium suv and not a true off reader.