I wonder if any people under the age of 10 years are saying that they hate Bud Adams in Houston. I have heard about things like it in Cleveland with Art Modell. It would be interesting to hear about it.

Fellow Houstonian reporting. My late father worked as a courier for a while and routinely delivered to the office building where Bud Adams kept his own offices. He'd promised himself years before if he ever met Adams, he'd tell him what he thought of him. One day, after years of pickups, he encountered Adams in one of the elevators. He hesitated, weighing his job against his word, and decided that his soul was more important than his paycheck. He turned to Adams, looked him straight in the eye, and said, "I promised myself I'd do this if I ever got the chance: Mr. Adams, fuck you." To his (infinitesimal) credit, Adams merely looked at him and replied, "fair enough." When the doors opened, they both exited the elevator, and thankfully never ran into one another again, despite my father keeping his job.

​@@terra__incognitaHe was at least the third or fourth person that day to tell Adams to fuck himself. He's been dead nearly 12 years now, and he's still the most hated man in Houston sports history, despite Bill O'Brien's best efforts.

I am a native Memphian and I went to that game. The only thing that kept that game from being a sellout was the fact that it was cold and rainy. Even to this day, we probably have more Steeler fans in Memphis than we do Titan fans.

@Harry Engel At the time, it was: 1) Head-to-head (Jacksonville and Pittsburgh split) 2) Division winning percentage (Jacksonville and Pittsburgh were 6-2 in the AFC Central) 3) Winning percentage against common opponents (Jacksonville and Pittsburgh were 7-5) 4) Winning percentage within the conference (Jacksonville and Pittsburgh were 9-3) 5) Net point differential within the division (Jacksonville was at +23, Pittsburgh was at +88)

That's crazy. I wish I were old enough to have watched football in 1995..I was only 5.

Theoretically it's possible. The Burgundy and Gold lost the 1940 NFL title to the Bears 73-0. (As you might guess, team owner George Preston Marshall said something stupid to rile up the Bears and make them run up the score. Otherwise, I'm sure even Papa Bear Halas would have pulled a George Gibbs in the fourth quarter.) But most NFL games---even routs---don't have margins of victory THAT huge.

@@STTDB1990 i wish I were young enough to not realize that football is a gay shadow of its former self

It’s pretty good but nothing matches the quality of secret base

After the move, support for the Oilers dried up overnight, so fast that Houston let them out of of the Astrodome lease one year early. But Bud Adams thought that Vanderbilt's stadium was too small, so they spent 1997 in Memphis, but Memphis didn't support them knowing they were bound for Nashville once Adelphia Coliseum opened.

@@AEMoreira81 then Adelphia would go broke after a scandal, then bought by Time Warner (after THAT AOL merger) and Nissan would take over, how is this stadium bad now?

Yeah not only were they angry at the NFL for not awarding them a team, but they awarded them one in basically the worst way possible by just giving them a rental team that’ll just head to Nashville in two years. And biggest problem to that is Nashville and Memphis loathe each other. Memphis sees Nashville as a pretentious, hopelessly conventional suburban enclave and Nashville seeing Memphis as a trying-too-hard, affected-cool backwater river town. Those two cities have spent a century trash-talking each other for everything from music (country vs. blues), food (hot chicken vs. barbecue), to on-brand nicknames (Smashville vs. Grind City). Assuming Memphis fans would support a Nashville team is like assuming Giants fans would go to Jets games.

The Nashville Oilers sounds like an AHL team.

Its funny because Memphis has rivalries with Nash due to the reasons stated, which is also laughable considering, and Knoxville with the UT UM rivalry. So 2/3 of the state dislikes Memphis.

I remember it being the Tennessee Oilers. I could be wrong. I lived in Dyersburg and we drove down to the Bengals oilers game

Dang, I was born in Memphis 18 years ago(we moved when I was like 10), my parents told me the Titans were once in Memphis but and didn't realize it was a bad thing.

I have a fondness for baby blue unis. The old San Diego Chargers baby blues? Awesome.

@Lucien Hicks I too genuinely like the Creamsicle unis

@Lucien Hicks Eh to be fair those early Bucs would have sucked no matter what unis they wore

@@deathtowrestling2518 creamsicles are one of best jerseys in NFL. there i said it. im not even bucs fan

@@UrinatingTree See I'm a Fouts era Chargers fan so to me it's dark blue unis. Say the Dolphins/Chargers in January of 82 would be a great video for you to do. Winner gets to play Cincy in one of the coldest games ever !!

I was here. That rally came too little too late. Man tried to strong arm while giving us wild card teams. The worst part of it all was it wasnt like he was wrong, but doing it while the teams kept bowing out early in the playoffs wasnt a good look. I went to a home game that last season. It was weird seeing NO advertisement anywhere.

Bud Adams grazed on the practice field.

I think it was 65.

I could see the McNairs doing this when NRG Stadium is considered antiquated. They have no pull in this city and that probably won’t change unless they can advance past the divisional round.

The city loved the Oilers, but hated Bud Adams and rightfully so. He took the "Luv Ya Blue" era and pissed it all away after 1980. Then started complaining about a new stadium in 87, then again in 95 after their 93' choke job against the Bills. Of course taxpayers won't pay for a new stadium, unless "Bud Adams" sold the team to somebody else.

@All Our Steelers Have Abandoned Us yup

@All Our Steelers Have Abandoned Us why do I see you all over the place

@All Our Steelers Have Abandoned Us ok

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Bruh, we all know you ain't got no girlfriend or boyfriend. Stop lying.

Bud was SO out of touch with the world around him.

in 2017 sure, not anymore though lol

Really the premier team of Tennessee. Even in cities in the Sunbelt that have 2 teams you don't really see hockey be the number one team. Like LA has the Lakers, Dallas has the cowboys, Miami has the heat, Raleigh doesn't even have a professional sports team, but even roots for NCSU.

@@qwertyuiop123453993 i mean walk around Nashville and i see a lot more predators merch. I mean hell even go to small towns in the region like Paris or Columbia and you still find more people walking around with predators gear.

@@nicholasgleason3763 while I live about 30 minutes outside of nashville I do go there often but I would still say there are probably more Titans fans but I feel like preds fans are more passionate about the team where they will wear merch or if you wear preds gear you are more likely to get some reactions from other people whereas I feel I never get any reactions when I wear Titans stuff

@@williamhargrove3773 im from out of state, but just from the couple times i've been to nashville and listening to radio/media from nashville theres more coverage on the titans

Oh wow

Yep, this is gonna fuck up transportation nationwide

Yeah, the bridge was broke for like two weeks and it shut down I-40

Not surprised. I-40 runs right through my hometown (Durham NC), and it seems there was ALWAYS construction going on!

@@UdoShan Durham, NC. Home of the University of New Jersey

Love to see him do Olympic themed videos like How Denver declined the 1976 Olympics, How Atlanta, the city with a long history of choking won 1996 Olympics rights, LOLCOW on the IOC discussing their issues and a legacy of failures on failed bids, sports and teams and Olympians themselves.

@@jesfel14 Colorado was certainly a different place in 1972 that it is now A statewide referendum in 1972 to pay for the games with a $5 million ($31.9 million in 2021) bond was rejected by the voters 60-40. This was the same year that Nixon won the state’s 7 EVs (will be 10 in 2024) 63-35 over McGovern and won all but 2 counties. The two counties were not in the Denver metro area. Colorado population in 1972 was 2.41 million compared to 5.7 million today. The Eisenhower Tunnel, west of Denver on I-70, was under construction at the time and would not be completed until 1973. One problem: it was two-lanes and use exceeded initial predictions. So a second tunnel was built: the Johnson tunnel, named for the governor and later senator who advocated for I-70 to be built in his state. Pro sport teams in Colorado at the time: Broncos had yet to post a winning season. The Nuggets were still in the ABA as the Denver Rockets. The Kansas City Scouts would move to Denver in 1976 and rename themselves the Rockies. Speaking of the Rockies, the MLB wouldn’t put a team there until the 1990s. Major airport: Stapleton Airport that was later replaced by Denver International located east of where it once was. Today the neighborhood is now known as Central Park in part due to the namesake had connections to the KKK I imagine a lot of the skiing & bobsled events would’ve been held up in the mountains while things like hockey, ice skating, and other skating events would’ve been held in Denver, Boulder, and Colorado Springs. Mile High Stadium 1.0 would’ve been used for the opening & closing ceremonies. So after that referendum, Denver pulled the bid. Salt Lake City, who got the games in 2002, and Lake Placid, 1980 winter host, put in bids but the IOC likely felt rejected by the US and chose Austria as the site of the 1976 winter games. Vancouver, 2010 host, put in a bid but probably was rejected because Montreal was hosting the 1976 summer games as well as the NDP winning the provincial elections in 1972

@@mjwatts1983 love to see Tree rip into how Tokyo 2020 became from the Dream games to a PR Nightmare.

One of the best uniforms ever.

To play in a city that barely wins anything (I mean Houston)

This is probably going to be my last on this particular team (unless I wanted to do stuff from earlier), but I wouldn't mind doing others like it.

@@UrinatingTree If this is indeed part 2 of 2 you did a damn good job dude. Personally I would love if you did a mini-series on 2001 sports. So much crazy stuff happened that year. Bonds hit 73 homers, the Mariners win the most games in history, the D-Backs won the world series, the Patriots upset the Rams in the Super Bowl, The Lakers dynasty and the emergence of Allen Iverson, and even 9/11 affecting every sport. It would be just such a rich and exciting topic that I think you would cover perfectly In this documentary-style format. Anyways great video as always Tree.

@@UrinatingTree I know you're not much of a basketball guy, but it'd be cool to see you do a video on the Seattle Sonics during the sportsball down period next year (after all, you're going to be pretty busy with another expansion draft Hater's Guide in a couple months, I assume).

@@alexcastellini2672 and don't forget the Greatest Loss in Auto Racing since Ayrton Senna's death at Imola: the Fatal Crash at the Daytona 500 that took Dale "The Intimidator" Earnhardt's life.

@@UrinatingTree Potential Houston professional football Legacy of Failure? Highlighting both the Oilers and the Texans? That's a vid that has to be done this year.

Honestly he should make more

Yeah they are great material for the off season.

They played there only in '97. If not for Memphis not giving a damn about them, they wouldn't have broken down and moved to Vanderbilt in '98.

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Not saying that negative things shouldn’t be discussed. However, it’s important to remember the positive things that Bud Adams did, too.

@@crosstatt7441 I agree. Mostly those were related to the AFL. He may have pushed for the Astrodome, but I think Roy Hofheinz made that happen. I guess you could credit Bud for allowing the late 80s early 90s team to be built. It was built to win. I can’t think of much else.

It’s nice to know the good things that Bud Adams did.

@@TheSteveSteele Are you originally from Houston? I’m from the Cleveland area. Not to bring up the bad, but, which was worse for Bud Adams, moving the Oilers or firing Bum Phillips? I know that Art Modell has a similar reputation. The Steelers fans supported the Browns fans and the next year, Oilers ones.

Something to make him eat salt The Rise, Fall, and Redemption of the Cleveland Browns

Could do how Denver Declined the 1976 winter Olympics, 1976 Moteral Olympics and how it causes issues but thst certian Fencing champion became president facing a challange on How Tokyo 2020 became a nightmare and long term future

@@jesfel14 Tokyo still pulled it off quite well though despite having basically no crowds and in the middle of a pandemic.

At the rate things are going, the clusterfuck of the Athletics relocation can fill an entire *film* by him.

outlined

outlined

@Lucien Hicks so it won't come?

Part 3 would be 2008-2011. Start with the 13-3 season, CJ2K, 100M for Haynesworth in FA, and then the Bud/Fisher/VY split.

Imagine rooting for out of state teams because Nashville got the titans and not Memphis. That’s some traitor shit not the energy I’m looking for in my volunteer state go to bama or FLA with that shit

i was gonna point to Staples Center. the Kings, Lakers and Clippers all play there. i feel like i'm missing a team, but can't place it

@@edschramm6757 Arena football off and on

The Alamodome in San Antonio: "Do I look like a joke to you?"

@@edschramm6757 Los Angeles Sparks

@@haferstenproductions3515 The Alamodome had three teams at one point, but one of them was a college football team. Also, it was just two sports: football and basketball. Bud Adams was trying to build an arena for pro football, pro basketball, and pro hockey.

Yeah it sucked

Not fun at all

I blame my heroin addiction on the loss of the oilers

Titans fans really didn't suffer at that time, and losing the Super Bowl in the first real year of the team didn't feel too terrible. There was even a parade after the game. What has really hurt is that the Titans haven't been back in the last 21 years, when the expectation was set so high. Year 1 (1999) was supposed to be the starting point for greatness, not the peak of the team (though they have had a few great years since).

Yeah well as a lifelong Bills fan it was pretty damn cathartic.

Right now we're dealing with Cal McNair. The late Bob McNair's son. God help us all.

@@marka.graffakasnakebitenat3736 If Bob McNair doesn't die, Houston isn't in this spot. Change my Mind.

Lots of very interesting relocation stories from the NHL. The Jets moving to Phoenix is such a great story filled with incompetence, and stupid management/ownership who didn't react when they first started seeing warning lights. People outside who don't know the story just take the easy answer of "well your city didn't support the team. low sales, then makes no financial sense." which is just the dumbest response to why the Original Winnipeg Jets relocated to Arizona.

Still, it could work as its own video. If not just for one of the most pettiest reasons why an owner would refus occupying a new stadium- Norm Green apparently refused to share the Target Center because they had Coca-Cola as the official soft drink, while the Met Center had Pepsi. The way he defended that, either he had stock in PepsiCo or they gave him one *hell* of a deal. That was fucking NUTS to read about.

same. I wish the Titans ownership would give back the team name/history to Houston like how the Coyotes gave back the Jets name/team history to Winnipeg

It's crazy the Titans have only used Oilers uniforms because they had to that year they celebrated the AFL's 50th anniversary.

@@tompkinssquaretrackclub Don't forget about the Browns/ Ravens as well. It's in history that Cleveland went on a hiatus and Baltimore was brought in as an expansion. Maybe the same thing might happen for the Sonics/ Thunder if the Sonics ever return they could also take their championship back

@@Jfraire99 thank you! I couldn't remember who else had given team history/name back to the original city

5 years before that, it would've been an LA vs Houston Super Bowl

@@ninersdd21 Not necessarily. I mean, it’s possible, but there’s no guarantee that all the personnel would have gelled that way or even came to one of those areas.

We need part 2 to the Houston video. Houston: The City that lost Everything

@@sawyertuide7636 More like the 2013 collapse and how it led to everything that happened with Bill O'Brien

@@samhouston9162 Eh I’d say a video on BOB’s tenure as a whole. Oil Crisis: The Failed Installment of Bill O’Brien

@@sawyertuide7636 Yeah

I say do a 2013 season vid though is it is still the biggest one season collapse in NFL history. Not due to losing a core, but losing so much despite having that core. Matt Schaub regressed, the D was a trash fire, we constantly choked. As well as Gary Kubiak's health issues and Bum Phillips dying, so much happened in this season. Almost as worse as the turmoil of the '93 Oilers

At the least your Dolphins have two titles, and still the only one to pull off a full undefeated season. The Oilers / Titans are still waiting for their Lombardi. The Oilers absolutely though should’ve won at least one but the constant playoff exits I feel, especially 35-3 was part of the reason they left

You may want to reconsider because stroud is looking like that dude

And the Titans only won because Ralph Wilson wouldn't let Wade Phillips play Doug Flutie.

That was my thought, too!

Got to love our wonderful infrastructure. Top of the line lol

Yes please!

@@pattondinkins300 So great, it needs major repairs every 18 months, which in itself will take 18 more months to fully fix. 😜

I'm not buying that. Isn't she the one that said what does the Houston Texans & the Tennessee Titans have to do with each other?? Duh......

Tree seems to have a knack for great background music and sound effects

Man, someone must find this video

Lol wrestling

Dang I’d didn’t know that 😯

One of the best wrestlemanias ever definitely I guess it took them months to set it up to get that Dome ready. I remember hearing something right at the center where they would set their ring up wasn't even they had to almost consider an alternate setup putting the ring away from the 50-yard line. But they pulled it off I'm almost positive that was the last major event ever held inside the Astrodome

“THEIR SHAKING HANDS!”

@Lucien Hicks fries and ribs are a delicious combination. Fried food is basically good.

Now if you called them the "Fryers" or "Smokers", that would have been vintage Tennessee. I want to try Memphis BBQ one day.

@@UrinatingTree - May I recommend BBQ from Corky's and Rendezvous.

@@UrinatingTree You could go with the Tennessee Blues. It resembles the Oilers’ baby blue uniforms and the impact that music, most notably country, has had on the state.

@@UrinatingTree As someone from Memphis I'd recommend going to Tops bbq if you want a pulled pork sandwich. If you want bbq nachos I'd recommend going to Centrals bbq. To me Corkys is overrated and not that good. Plenty of great places for bbq overall tho in Memphis.

No, they nearly moved to Nashville, not Houston. Although Houston has been linked with a few hockey teams in the past (The Oilers [ironcially] and Penguins in the late 90's), they weren't linked to the Devils.

At least we got then the Preds and the Avalanche, but poor Nordiques

Oh, the Hamilton Penguins

@@UrinatingTree Really the Oilers? Guessing after the days of Gretzky and Messier.

@@clipobserver Pocklington was now the wealthiest owner in the NHL and was always looking for cash, just like when he traded Gretzky

Browns had too much history behind it to be lost like the Oilers

It may be unoriginal, but it's still a good name. And with a bull as mascot.

Yeah the Browns had a lot of "history". How many super bowl appearances for them again??

@Mongo Slade Well they did win several NFL Championships in the 50s/60s and literally destroyed the AAFL

Elway nearly became an Oiler.

Not even close

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The franchise hasn’t won a championship since 1961. Maybe a Half-Century of Failure like what the Leafs got.

@@KaiserInGilroy2K Tbh do we even need one? The 7 year span from 1993-99 is enough. (Also the Cleveland Indians need their 75 Years of Failure first)

@@BiggaNiqqa In a way it is.

Probably the first time I've ever heard Magic City in anything other than SC3K. Best track from a solid soundtrack.

In 1995 Death Valley had around 65000 seats, as opposed to the 81000+ now. So averaging 50k was pretty damn good. Clemson made out like a bandit on the agreement, with Jerry Richardson’s company agreeing to provide funding for renovations to the library, Jersey Gym (where women’s volleyball play) and other projects Clemson had going on. Along with an extra couple million in profit from ticket sales and amenities.

Fun fact: Clemson wasn't even first choice... It was Williams Brice Stadium, home of the South Carolina Gamecocks

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That's actually not bad attendance. Plus, the Panthers were able to endear themselves more to the South Carolinians by calling themselves the "Carolina Panthers", not the "Charlotte Panthers." The owners really made sure to show that the team belonged to both states, and they did that by having the team play their home games in SC while their stadium in Charlotte was being completed.

They're not struggling anymore than the rest of the NBA is. That's why it's not a big deal and people don't talk about it.

@@Todzilla98 that's why it surprises me. Granted, I have family who live outside of Memphis. Never seen them go to a Grizzlies game. But then again, they're not really sports fans and I figured the rest of the surrounding area does everything they can to support the Grizzlies. And especially now that they're in the playoffs and won Game 1 against a really good Utah Jazz team. Sure, Grizzlies haven't been the same since Marc Gasol left, but I figured they'd build around Ja Morant and Morant would be the superstar the Grizzlies need

NK, and honestly, with the right marketing, the Oilers could've been able to draw both Nashville AND Memphis fans to the games in Knoxville.

As a chargers fan too. I agree

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2 decades of stagnation forced our fanbase to spread out and cause untold misery to rest of the country. Often we congreate at super-spreader sites that we call Steeler bars. If COVID-19 was a fanbase it would be Yinzers.

Before the texans

That's his granddaughter.

HOLY SHIT YES!!!

She's a jerk just like he was. She already said she's not giving the Oilers name and logo back to the city of Houston

I’m not so sure about that, pal.

Bud Adams is his own walking disaster.

Adams is worse than Modell. At least Art Modell left the Cleveland Browns name & logo & colors and records in Cleveland. That piece of 💩 bud adams had the NFL retire the Oilers name and logo and colors

I’ve actually said that, too.

@@mongoslade277Whereas the name, colors, and history weren’t left in Cleveland because of Modell’s generosity. Which I must admit, you didn’t say. However, at least the history was left in Cleveland. In my personal opinion, Bud Adams should have moved to Tennessee after he moved his team.

@@crosstatt7441 He had a lot of nerve still living in Houston

It's from old video. I think it's in the 1998 Oilers season vid on KZfaq.

Hey, someone else noticed! I'm amazed I'm not the only one

It’s distracting me with nostalgia lol

To bad they didn't show footage of the old Memphis Showboats of the USFL.

Todd he was the Founding Oilers Owner going back to their founding in 1960 as an AFL club. Adams became rich similar to fellow AFL Founder and First Chiefs Owner Lamar Hunt in the Texas Oil Biz (the middle 20th Century version of how Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, etc. became Billionaires in the computer/online industry at the start of the 21st Century) However outside of his oil empire, Adams was not the brightest guy as a Business Man either which is true. Plus Adams had some real deep pockets and thus why he was able to survive the losses as what happened in Memphis and later Nashville when the Oilers left Texas.