Oilers have bigger problems than sketchy calls from refs

As an Oilers fan, yeah the call is frustrating. But the results on the special teams are what is really annoying. 0-4...? And they scored 3 even strenght goals this game, how often do they do that? Just go 2-2 on the special teams and they win this game but they keep finding ways to lose.

Ain’t even that mad. More about the way they played.

Oilers fans like myself are just furious in general about everything this year. This call is a drop in the ocean. What a horrible season.

0:28 Skinners second pull of the year

I feel like a simple improvement of this would be to add a rectangle outside the bench to mark when a player can leave and join the play. They used to have this in lacrosse and it worked well

Oilers fans are always FURIOUS over calls that don't go their way.

Watching Ken holland piss away mcdavid and draisaitls time here in edmonton is excrutiating. I'm not too upset at the call but rather the fact that we let them go 4-7 on the powerplay, undisciplined and atrocius. If Holland doesn't build a team that can play consistently we may no longer have a team that can contend, we may fall into another decade of darkness...

Imagine if they added a thin blue box/line around each bench so the players know exactly where the 5 ft boundary is

Noticed so many channels popping up copying Eck style, I don’t think they realize that the difference is the quality of the content. The knowledge and great understanding of the game paired with outstanding editing and a quality mic just makes it so no other current channel can come close to Eck. Keep up the good work my man!

I'm far more furious at the teams serious lack of effort and overall laziness

I just binged all of your videos in one sitting. Amazing stuff I just found you today and I can’t wait to keep getting more as you keep making them. Keep it up :)

I can assure you oilers fans are more mad about the team themselves 😭😭 especially the weak defense

The NHL didn’t call the play when Kari changed passing the player 30 feet from the bench and then scoring the cup winner. The NHL has a record of discrimination. They have no problem holding some teams right to the letter of their rules other teams get a free ride.

The team played undisciplined tonight AND the officiating was atrocious overall. Its frustrating but anytime you give up 6 goals the blame falls on the team first

mcdavid 77 points in 42 games but he is +1 thats crazy - the guy only play for points and not for winning games - remind me of ovechkin when he was scoring 50+ goals and finish year something around -35 those guys need to learn how to win

The rest of the NHL sent a bouquet of flowers to Holland for inking Nurse to a long term deal. 😭

Woo, 3 fights one game. That’s great hockey

yeah, he also played the puck before the leaving player was fully off the ice. So double too many men. Imagine that distance on a PK and you can see why it's a problem.

It's a relaxed rule unless it's the player coming on that plays the puck, which is kind of the case in this one

Skinner pulled in the Kraken Oilers game where they were up 2 and got scored on 4 times

I'm old school here. Each team gets 12 skates on the ice at one time. Two skates come off before two go on. But that's not the rule anymore. I get that this speeds up play, but it does cause situations like this. My solution is to paint a box around each bench. Players have to be inside that box, and the play must be outside the box, before another player can join the play. Also, the rule should include a no review clause. Let's not make this like offsides!

Officials will often overlook too many players on the ice if the players are reasonably observing the rules. But look at the video segment again. The one key important factor you overlooked is that the PLAYER COMING OFF THE BENCH was not just the sixth skater on the ice but also THE ONE WHO PLAYED THE PUCK....that's why there's a penalty. To avoid the infraction, the player coming onto the ice needs to delay playing the puck for a second or so to indicate to the ref that he's making up for the fact that his teammate didn't make it back to the bench on time. PLAYING THE PUCK (RULE 71/74) "While a player avoids prematurely substituting, they also have to be careful to not play the puck. Playing the puck does not necessarily mean stick contact. The puck is considered to be played if it touches skates, stick or hands . Players with both skates on the ice in the process of a substitution cannot come in contact with the puck or an opposing player while the other is still on the ice. Failure to avoid this results in a minor penalty. If the puck comes into contact with a player accidentally no penalty is called."

This wasn’t skinners first pull of the year. He was pulled against Seattle a week ago.

man, i wish we had keith back. he was definitely a positive presence in the locker room and kept the defencemen level-headed

He did get pulled a few games ago aswell. Probably to get Campbell some more time on the ice while the game looks lost.

I feel like the reason it was called here is cuz Bouchard was winding up for a shot before the other player got off of the ice. The ref decided that his calling for and winding up for the slapper was enough of being involved in the play, despite a lack of his possession, to necessitate that the other player be off the ice. Annoying call, but probably the right one by the letter of the law, in a game where they called EVERYTHING on both teams

If he waited like he was supposed to puck would have left the zone. He hoped on and was immediately in the play even without the puck while the player was still going to the bench. This is the right call

there was a whole bunch of questionable calls and non-calls in that game going both ways. Oilers fans and commentators are upset about the way their team played and are looking to get their frustration out somewhere.

This is unfortunate because the Oilers have other teams that should get to many men but they don't get the power play

Easy to be furious when you go 0/6 on the powerplay

On 0:25 that is his second pull because against Seattle he was pulled too

They should add lines around the benches.

The fans should be furious they were forced to pay for an arena that benefits nobody but Katz.

0:29 skinner was actually pulled in the oilers 5-2 loss to the kraken

Look at the face off dot and the player going off. The dot is 10’ from the boards. Although well over 5’,I think this normally wouldn’t have been called but he immediately played the puck. When players jump on and get involved in the play before the substituting player is off, it pisses me off because they should know especially at this level it will likely result in a bench minor.

So nhl is saying that line changes are not aloud. What a stupid call.

i don’t like the Oilers but i feel bad for McDavid. No matter how good he is or how well he plays their team just can’t win. I’m certain he will win a cup in his career but it must be so crushing to lose so much while being the best player in the league

Im just sad man, i love the oilers but i just cant

0:26, Skinner actually got pulled a couple games ago, Sucks to see him fail hes my favorite player. Just wanted to let you know its his 2nd time being pulled.

That’s not the best angle the kings have the above ice view on theirs. It make the penalty way more obvious.

Another fantastic game from the Kings. Starting to actualize as a major threat in the west... Copley working magic

That was actually the second time skinners gotten pulled

So if the official is calling this a penalty, why is his arm NOT in the air? He should not wait until a slapshot before making the call... Getting a shot off is not part of the "too many men" penalty. I'm sure the guy who blocked the shot would have appreciated the play being blown dead before he got hit by frozen rubber moving at 90 ish MPH.

This happened during a Hurricanes game last playoffs. Jarvis was crawling back to the bench, totally not in play and almost at the bench when the next player came on then the refs call too many men

As an Avs fan, boy do we get lucky with these calls xD

Karma for signing Kane 😂

Earlier this season Kempe was slow getting to the bench(gliding from behind the play) Moore jumped on early, Durzi passed the puck to Moore and they got called for too many men. Obviously not the same thing here but yeah frustrating as can be.

i tried looking the game up on my phone and searched up lakers vs oilers 😂

I just started following your hockey stuff from your star wars stuff, and I really enjoy your takes as it feels like you are a hockey fan like I am a hockey fan, yeah you have your team but you enjoy Good Hockey, rather then just Your Team Winning Hockey. Having said that, Go Kings Go.

I didn't watch the game but another commenter said the player who came off the bench also played the puck which makes it pretty clearly the right call. But even if he hadn't been the one to play the puck I don't understand how there can be complaints about that call. I know officials usually give leeway, but you mentioned the 5 foot rule, but the guy coming off the ice was at least 10 if not closer to 15 feet away from the bench.

Oilers biggest problem is bad defense system and a lack of good defense players 💯👍🏾🇨🇦

great game was just their on my way home right now

Lime changes in the NHL are loosie goosie, hockey changeups are just that way, they probably should tighten it up, the player should be at the boards before another player can get on the ice, but it's one of those things all hockey players knows about, sometimes a guy jumps on the ice before the guys even at the bench.

9:28 that wasn’t skinner’s first pull of the year, second

Thats Stus, Second Time Being pulled.

If player didn’t play the puck before the other player got to the bench it would of been fine.

I'd love to see the NHL crack down on this rule. Last year's Cup final was laughably bad. Sooo many times where 11, 12, 13 guys on the ice. It looks sloppy and detracts from the quality of play.

Skinners second pull btw

i just enjoy the utter frustrations and bitterness of both Oiler announcers when things go against the Oilers ..love it!!! looking forward to the next game. Edmonton needs to win over Anaheim and SJ, coz its Vegas and Seattle after.

The frustration shouldn't be that this change was called, but that so many others just like it aren't. Can't be mad when the rules are enforced as written.

Between the offside rules and player changing rules theres too much reffs discretion in the penalties.

Mcdavid is going nutty right now, sucks that the team can’t back him

Well sorry to say coming from a non-biased fan. This is textbook too many men call. Guy coming off was way more than 5 feet away from the bench when the oncoming player went on and still had a skate on the ice when the oncoming player lined up and took a shot.

Good call by the letter of the rule. What the Oilers really need to be mad at is McDavid's defensive play. He was on the ice for five out of 6 Kings goals. One of the clips on this video shows McDavid way out of position on one of the PP goals against. This was not the only goal he was out of position. He ended up a -4 in this game.

Totally think that's a penalty and I am an Oilers fan

That wasn't Skinners first pull. 2nd.

As I’ve said in other posts, Oilers biggest issue isn’t the Defence it’s the laziness.

I'm more furious that Canucks have been blowing big leads this year.

it was a good call given the circumstances leading to it.

Yamamoto will carry this team to a cup I guarantee it

Was this the only angle the Oilers broadcast showed of the incident? Because in LA they showed a way better angle that clearly showed that the call was correct. My wife asked the question many times, "Why don't they paint a line near the benches so that they know when it's 5 feet?" I shrug and say, "I don't know." I just can't say, "Because that's intelligent and asking the Gary Bettman NHL to do something intelligent is asking for too much."

I don’t think the call would have been made if the puck was not going to the area of that line change. I think it was called because of the 5’ rule and because he was gonna have to play the puck to keep it on side.

They need to put up a player change box lines on the ice so there is no doubt if you are in the lines you can change if not to many men

Skinners 2nd pull I believe. He got pulled a few games ago. He is supposed to be having his first baby tomorrow. He shouldn’t have been playing tonight.

Skinner was pulled in the Seattle game, not his first pull

You see that kind of change all the time, it's very inconsistently enforced.

Consistent and accurate officiating would greatly increase watchability

If this isn’t proof that the nhl is bending the games so that certain teams win, then I don’t know what is??? Like seriously!!! These refs are just so awful that I don’t even want to watch the games anymore, because I know that they’re just gonna keep calling bad penalties to the Oilers!!! 😤😤😤😡😡😡

Skinner has been pulled multiple times lately... Game against Seattle is one of them

Easy solution here is to have a zone line painted around the benches, like a crease. But this isn't the Oiler's problem. They rely on two guys to carry the team, that's the problem.

Love your style but man, you only cover Canadian hockey, in particular the Canadian NHL teams. Would love to see more general NHL coverage. Every other video is about the Oilers lol

Not much is being called consistently this season. The NHL needs to get the sh!t together and lay down the law with the refs. Tell them what is expected and what is not for calls. Teams will never know what kind of game they are going to have which leads to confusion and inconsistent play and games. It sucks as a fan, but it sucks worse for the players and team.

Oilers having a rough one this season :(

🤣🤣🤣that was a good game for a Red Hot Kings team. I can see the Oilers took their frustrations from this game out of the Ducks. I'll take that Pi King Duck special as a Kings fan.

did the player coming off the bench touch the puck before the other player was on the bench ?

It's frustrating when 70 times a game this happens and is routine... but rules are rules and 5 feet are in the rules. Still sucks though.

Bouchard jumped on a tad early and played the puck a very nitpick call but I can see why.

Not called consistently should be the name of a NHL specific channel.

Oilers fan here, we didn't play a game worth winning, bad call yup sure, I could count three or four this game a team. This year has been terrible for calls. We need to play a better game to get a W

Oilers fans are furious over the team's performance.

Nah, that call doesn't frustrate me. Giving up 2-goal leads frustrates me.

Skinner was pulled a couple games ago. He had 4 on 19.

Goals that happen right after the power play if your team is still in the zone I consider ppg

The Oilers problem is 100% lack of defense

I don’t think the oilers need any more favors while on the power play

I don’t understand why they don’t make a 5’ box around the bench.. then there’s no doubt about it

We have blue lines and red circles, why not green zones for the benches? Make it easy for the players to see, easy for the refs to review, and easy for broadcasts to analyze. Seems like a recurring problem with a simple solution.

yeah but the play itself was way more upsetting can't lie

It’s frustrating only because there is zero consistency in being able to judge that. One will call 5 feet. One will call 6 feet. One will call 4 feet. I’m annoyed just thinking about it. They should change it to a more discernible action rather than a distance.