The modding community has your back mate.

Hey the 1080 can still run anything.. it just won't be at beyond 1080p, no fancy filters or ray tracing, etc.

​@@galacticboy2009what about a laptop 1050?

Rocking a founders 1080 here too! With a 12600k

2070 with Max Q design (I'm on a laptop).

Modders will do it. Just like in Fallout games.

@@robertlawrence9000 There are vehicle mods for fallout 4 and they are awful. The engine doesn't allow the player to move fast enough because the way world streaming works cant catch up fast enough to the player so it get laggy and freezes when you move faster than sprinting speed.

Wait really? Learned something new today. Didn't know the creation engine's texture streaming was that slow... that's kinda abysmal for a modern game engine. Now I feel a bit sorry for the devs there 😅 Good on them for still releasing SF.

​@@carl8790texture? Nah, it's way worse.

It's better progress than fallout 3 where they have to make a hat for an NPC to make a moving tram

No FOV slider either. I really don't know how Bethesda can leave out such basic features in 2023

@@mjc0961 I haven't tried it yet on this game but apparently you can change that in an ini file in the game folder. I'm sure there are other settings to play around with there that might help.

There is a fov config mod. That said, BGS should add an fov slider I agree.

No FOV slider in 2023? What the hell

You can force Starfield to use Auto HDR on pc with a trick, but I wouldn't really recommend it. Doesn't really seem to do too much lol still crazy colour banding and game is still too bright because of no brightness slider. Crazy to think about how Bethesda has been making PC games for over 20 years at this point and can still miss out basic PC features that they even had in past games Having a fun time with the game regardless of these issues though but they really do need to be fixed

@@John-PaulHunt-lo1wdYou don’t need 4TB NVMe for one game. 2TB is fine, and cheaper.

Can't really complain about performance when playing it like that

i had a old laptop and i was playing Arkham Asylum and it worked better in proton than on native windows 10

Yeah must have better AMD optimization then. a 7800XT matching a 4080 is quite strange. Still performance does not match the visuals on any hardware I've seen. Final Fantasy 15 on PC both runs and looks better than most games releasing these days.

@@grim86 Game performance through proton these days is very often not noticeably different, and occasionally it's better than on Windows.

@@clownavenger0 Why is it strange? Its a pure rasterization game. AMD is better at that,

Which really is a cheap ass way to make a space game IMO.

I don’t mind procedural generated but it would be great if you could revisit planets and it be the same as you first went there.

Hmm, so what happens if you built something on the 1st square? Does it get deleted after loading the 5th?

@@The8bitbeard Your Outposts obviously dont get deleted. But you are limited to 8 Outposts without Perks.

that's how it works. The same area has the same generation logic.

obviously

If I'm not mistaken, they teamed up with AMD to make Starfield.

​@@christopherscott934im certain amd gave em bulk gpus for developing. given they also have xbox dev kits, optimisation bias is all but confirmed.

Yes and No. AMD and Bethesda teamed up to bring out “the full potential” of Starfield. Meaning Nvidia GPUs are being shafted in favor of team red with this specific game. That’s why DLSS doesn’t exist for the game, at the time of writing.

​@@KellsKatsthere is a day one mod to implement dlss lmao.

they really should have explictly told you that cus i didn't know until someone told me lol

​@@DisobeyedtoastSo true.

Sometimes you have to if the city or point is out of view or has multiple landing sites

You can fast travel from the mission menu, even

Except after you've landed somewhere and then try to land in the same place with the scanner, it just prompts you to go to the map and land through that. Afterwards it kindly spits you out onto the planet's surface regardless of whether you are wearing a suit or not.

There’s extremely low overhead when recording using a nvidia card due to the build in NVENC chip built in to the newer cards (any 10 series or higher xx70, xx80 etc)

@@brkbtjunkie Yes, and AMD and intel cards have an equivalent. It's called hardware encoding.

@@surewhynot6259hardware encoding on GPU is different than having a dedicated chip to perform hardware decoding, as in the case of Nvidia’s current hardware. You can perform the GPU encoding on Nvidia too, but it’s preferred to use the dedicated NVENC chip to perform encoding to lighten the load off the GPU.

@@palaashatri are you seriously acting as if AMD and Intel both don't have dedicated hardware video encoders in silicon for h264/h265 video? smfh

@@surewhynot6259 yes, and the overhead is much higher

Not sure what's causing that but try to manual save often with staggered files just in case you have to load from a previous save so that you don't lose all progress at least. I would hate to be many hours in and lose everything.

Gamepass (UWP) loves to kick you in the nuts for trying to fix problems. I also lost save files from a game I put 20 hours into because of trying to switch them around while gameplay testing. UWP is still a blight to PC's and power users, but that's just Microsoft after Windows 7.

only just heard about this. will definitely give it a go

@@ModernVintageGamer It looks a lot better than FSR. Also shows how easy it would be for Bethesda to implement DLSS if they want to.

​@@pulsemyne7488 Licensing fees and most likely exclusivity deal with AMD

@@EveryGameGuruone of the top AMD ppl came out and said BGS could add DLSS if they wanted to.

@@pulsemyne7488 yeah the mod creator went in and did all the certification that bethesda needed to do while making the mod in one day

Shadows is usually the setting i degrade first to either High or Medium, depending on game.

I'd wager they forgot to optimize shadow casters, same way they did with Fallout 4. There was a mod for it at launch that fixed this and got me 20+ fps and looked the same :P

hiding loading screens is nothing new, since the first game ratchet and clank have done that too. it is bethesda half-assing things as always.

And even ED has its weird system where you are encouraged to supercruise at minimum speed because it makes signal sources spawn closer to you. Although that might be because they had to make it multiplayer friendly, so tracking a bunch of stuff throughout the galaxy (even if it's abstracted if it's not near the player) would be infeasible. Come to think of it, the absurd size of the galaxy Elite Dangerous probably doesn't do them any favours either.

literally starfield does this tho

I wouldn't hold my breath on them suddenly managing to remove loading screens. I think it's baked into the engine that is still gamebryo at its heart with a lot of revamps on top.

Maybe there will be something like open cities which can merge zones together to eliminate some of the loading screens (not an expert but i assume merging is what open cities does)

Maybe get a better PC? Trying it atm, and the loading screens are on the 1-2 seconds mark tops...

@@DavidUtau loading time is not an issue, I have the game on my SSD and the loading is fast, it's just wayyy too often. It makes the game feel claustrophobic

@@DavidUtau It's not the length of the loading screens, it's the frequency. Makes everything feel smaller and segmented.

yeah, affluent people just have a different persepctive on things

This is just a PC thing too, only the latest greatest is the highest end ever. Because if you can’t create 200 frames over what the human eye can see it’s just mid

What's weird is they already do this for in solar system travel when the prompt says " hold (x) to travel"

I was wondering the same thing when he said that. It's like he's completely out of touch with how Nvidia has controlled the market when it comes to graphics acceleration for over two decades. It's AMD that has always gotten the short end of the stick. Even now, if you're trying to run open-source programs such as AI computing, you need an Nvidia graphics card, as many software programs are immediately supported on Nvidia graphics cards, and you have to do so many workarounds just to get them running on AMD. Also, when he said that his RTX 4080 is not some top-of-the-range gaming PC, I was like, 'What the heck?' Seriously? It's like someone saying, 'I don't have a very powerful sports car, just a Lamborghini compared to a Bugatti,' while completely forgetting that those are luxury cars.

No it is not. It is bad and inexcusable when AMD or Nvidia or Intel owners get the short end of the stick. It is not 2005 anymore.

I think I'd like to see a 40fps mode for VRR displays on Xbox Series X first, it wouldn't need as many compromises and would look fantastic

Yeah they should have gave the same options on Xbox as PC so at least you could tweak settings to get close to the 60fps mark. I'm getting tired of the forced 30fps crap.

They completely ripped out the 3d engine for this one, it's not a continuation of their previous renderer. The 3d engine is called the forge, you can Google the link to their engine

Also AMD sponsored games run better than Nvidia sponsored games for both amd and Nvidia cards.

Same. The game can use some performance patches but enjoying the game a lot. Fallout in space, it’s not trying to be anything else

Wait till you pay that laptop off, even better feeling. 😂

It's not just the loading screens. It's also things like the lighting model, animation rigging, etc. The engine really makes the game feel dated in so many ways.

Yeah I completely agree. This is supposed to be a game set across an entire galaxy and the loading screens ruin it. I got a refund.

They are so hell bent on using their outdated creation engine, the thing is litterally holding with duct tape at this point, it's infuriating, just imagine what their games would be like if they decided to use unreal engine for example.

@@JaguarPanda Using Unreal isn't a magic solution.

You do realize its using the creation engine 2.... its not outdated at all

13600 isn't the most amazing CPU and what GPU

@@grim86 whoops. 3080.

ummmm no

If you like the series S version, I recommend buying an expensive pair of prescription eyeglasses and smearing Vaseline on them. Now you can get the series S experience on the go!

@@balaam_7087 🤣🤣

​@@balaam_7087and this is why people think pc enthusiasts are dicks.

@@balaam_7087 have you played it on the s?

And yet fextra, df, acg, and ggman all really like the story. Go figure.

​@@shreder75i like it too

@@ricln5464 many do. I've heard more people saying they like it than don't

You load when climbing a ladder to enter a ship because it functions as a mobile player-home, where you can decorate the ship or drop items on the floor and expect them to be there when you come back. It also needs to be an interior cell in order to reliably track the items on the ship and transfer them when switching to a new home ship.

@@strangestecho5088 yeah it is quite impressive in terms of how the game actually works under the hood, I don't think they didn't consider about this, and most likely they are just tight with their schedule anyway and no one want to address such a challenging issue and their engine has become less and less capable of what they are trying to achieve, some may argue its a RPG game blablabla but from a gamer who know nothing about game dev and who have been playing open world games for all these years it would seems a little out of place not to have things like that. I believe they don't want their game to have so many loading screens as well. Maybe some predictive preloading with AI? and maybe some other methods that can improve the game.

fix? this was not a fix, it was done on purpose, they dont want any nvidia crap here, being good or bad, nvidia proprietary crap is the problem for amd and xbox

Yeah but this way Bethesda didn't miss out on that sweet AMD payola.

@@arch1107 ye well id rather have more options to play with not my fault amd doesn't have a feature .. yet. FSR 3 not gonna be an issue?

I wonder if AMD and Bethesda will implement FSR 3 or if not the modding community would.

@@mitchjames9350 they dont need to implement it. In early 2024 it supports almost all games but is better if specifically implemented

no your laptop will perform worse than even the series s better to play on the console really

Its not on gamepass yet. Smells like sea water here.

@@WillParker322 I got the premium edition upgrade, so I get the game 5 days early on GamePass.

​@@WillParker322if you purchase the premium upgrade you can us it with gamepass base game

What's your CPU? My 13900K, 4090, 980 SSD hasn't hit even 5 second load screens 🤷

@@EveryGameGuru 7800X3D. It took up to 10 secs loading New Atlantis but otherwise is ~5 second marks. Idk why

@@enduser8410 Weird. The creation engine is a strange beast, no matter the hardware. I've had instances of things not loading, or getting stuck loading, or loading into other objects. It may have been one of those "one off" situations where something loaded completely abnormally, so it loaded again. Who knows. I wouldn't put ANYTHING past the creation engine 😆

I have a normal gen 4 SSD and a 2070 super and loading screens do not take that long for me. Something's off about your configuration

4090 and my load screens maybe are like 1-2 seconds tops.

Nearly locked 60? Not in New Atlantis that’s for sure. Also what CPU and what clock speed?

Boy why you lying for? We’ve seen the benchmarks

i have a 6700xt with a 12600k and will prolly try this when it comes to gamepass in a few days.. was wondering what my experience will be like... i got a 1080p monitor at 165hz so...

Well the reamended spec is a 6800xt and the minimum is a 5700xt so you are right in between. @@Jshvc_

@@Jshvc_ might be your CPU that is too weak. I wouldn't trust the automatic detection. Just look at min and recommended specs and see where your hardware falls.

@@Jshvc_that site is complete horsesh*t. not based on actual testing or anything. Vex tested it on a RX6700 non-XT and got 30-40fps at 1440p high and 40-50fps at 1440p low (without the FSR cancer)

Have a 6700XT as well, with a 5600X, you can up the "indirect lighting" and "grass quality" settings to high without too much penalty. I turned off all render scaling (both variable and upscaling) and just run at native, it LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER.

Yes, i'm interested to know if AMD paid them to do this deliberately to disadvantage Nvidia and try to lure players over to AMD, dirty tactics imo.

Seems almost guaranteed

do you also think nvidia pays developers to make nvidia sponsored games perform worse on amd hardware or you just smear amd@@Liberty_Prime199

Better optimized for AMD? wtf do you mean? it runs like complete dogsjit no matter what GPU or platform, like pretty much all triple-A titles this year. 2023 is the year of fake frames and trash performance through the bank

If it helps, you can keep a controller plugged in and pick it up when space combat occurs. The input will switch to controller immediately.

They are a big deal if you are somebody that is searching desperately for something to rage about.

I refunded this game to play the outer worlds again on my steamdeck.

@@matthewharr6372i probably should have done that 😂😂😂

The Outer Worlds is very meh. I do see similarities of it with Starfield. Which is not good news for me.

And if you look more closely at the graphics settings, you'll see that it's running just 63% resolution scale.....

Not enough IPC on that dual ccd chip.

Yeah, I'm 2070 Super and 3700x and I can't get 60 fps on high with 60% resolution scale at 1080p. So I have FSR, at 1080p, with only 60% resolution scale and still can't hit 60 fps. I kind of start getting there on medium but game looks like shit on medium. It's ridiculous honestly. Very underwhelming performance. But, it works all right. 40-50 fps I'm getting. 60 fps in indoor areas. 60 fps in conversations, 30-40 fps in cities.

​@jonny-b4954 exactly my experience, same resolution and everything. I have a funny feeling that they might just be optimising consoles first and PC after, but I don't know.

​@@jonny-b4954what?? No way it's that bad optimized. I have a 2070s and play almost every game at 4k with some tweaks

They already have. A DLSS 2 mod was published on NexusMods 2 hours after early access release 😂

@@Andynath100 And that modder has a DLSS 3 version with frame gen available for his patreons.

@@Andynath100 nice!

I guess people wanted them to force you to warp for 10 plus mins at a time, like in star citizen, so there wouldn't be a 6 second load screen 😂

@@ovwarrior would seem so since people keep comparing NMS.

Good to hear! (Got the same setup) what resolution are you running it?

5800X3D, 3080 10GB, and 64GB 3600 RAM and it runs fine at max everything 4k.

Was?

Seeing that amd is selling more gpus than Nvidia it was about time.

@@alanhonlunli AMD is supplying all videogame consoles, and handhelds, and even some mobile devices. Nvidia is a shadow of what it used to be.

​@@pinkaceWith the exception of the Tegra chip used by the switch, nvidia has never made console chips. The amd apu's in the new handhelds are still relatively niche. Take a look at the steam hardware survey. Nvidia is still the biggest player.

@@ryansloan2372 OG Xbox. MS made a point to give the market to AMD just to piss off Nvidia.

Honestly I've played so many games without object persistence, I still wouldn't trust it. I guess I treat them like real life, I just don't assume anything will necessary be where I left it. I think lack of object persistence is actually better for realism than the situation where they are never moved by npcs, etc.

It’s RAM-speed dependent more than most titles

I get a solid 30-50 on my rig at 1440p Medium settings on the 2070 Super idk what is wrong with your machine.

@@hydrophobia936 You're either using FSR aka not at 1440p or you just haven't visited any heavy spots. My machine is fine because performance is perfect in every other game.

@@czbrat im not using FSR and have yet to drop below 30 fps in the 40 hours I have played so far.

@@hydrophobia936 Well, I've never aimed for 30 minimum so I wouldn't know. 60 minimum is impossible though, especially in foliage heavy areas. I find it impossible to play games with a mouse when the framerate is low.

@czbrat Ah. I've been playing on Controller cus hate how Bethesda games feel on M&K. Makes the game playable at the lower framerate, at least for me.

No1 seems to want to criticise the game for its bad performances and bugs But yet games like spiderman get stick for changing its puddles Or ff16 performance mode having frame dips Its like Microsoft has paid for positive reviews

It's really jarring. The entire video his cadence sounds like it's forced praise.

He is a developer, it’s easier to be sympathetic when you know how much work this is.

Not to mention - if you monitor the temps of your GPU and CPU, not a good idea to spend hundreds of hours at very high temps - which running at Ultra can do to a poorly built rig.

@@jamenta2 Preaching the truth!

I recall reading that every single QA department in Xbox was allocated to Starfield

@@ethai1 Exactly. A massive amount of effort and money on Microsofts behalf was put into this game in that year delay. It was an incredibly important title for XBox and they needed it to be in the absolute best state and running at it's absolute best on release, and this is the result. This is the best performance you will ever get from the game. Any patches and updates from here on in will be dealing with bugs. Now, back to playing Starfield :)

LOL the wizards at Microsoft sound like the geniuses at Apple.. especially with Microsoft's current track record and competency.. But Also... I don't think people realize that when you iterate on an engine like they do, it's not the same engine anymore and this one is even further removed as there was an overhaul a while ago... The game, for what it's worth seems to balance its threads pretty well but it's suspiciously dependent on memory bandwidth for some reason, which is thrown CPU hierarchy charts up on its head.. I e a 13th gen i-4 is better than a 5800 x 3D.. whatever reason led to that is all well and good but it's also kind of problematic as to how much memory bandwidth you need in order to get acceptable performance rather than that it also scales directly with it.. scaling would have been interesting but scaling to acceptable when you're basically requiring a ddr5 setup to even scratch the push over 60 for the most part on a 4090.. and even then it's a struggle because well memory bandwidth is just usually not your main concern with games and a lot of programs for the most part.. LOL. I just wouldn't say that they're pushing the engine so far as to get all they can out of it.. maybe you're right and they need to rebuild some things from the ground up.. but that's kind of what they've been doing.. gold source went into source engine, would you call source engine the same thing as the gold source engine or the quake 2 engine? They're pretty different but they're also pretty similar LOL.

@@jakedill1304 Maybe you can argue that indeed this isn't the same gamebryo engine they used in the past despite coming off of it, like how Source 2 isn't the same as id tech. On the other hand, with previous Bethesda games they did a shit job in optimizing and implementing stuff in it, considering there are bugs in Fallout 76 (up until recently the latest Bethesda title) that date back to Morrowind. So I kind of get the people who say Bethesda still uses the same engine from 20 years ago.

Indeed. In 3 years we might have Starfield with full path tracing, VR and AI modded smoothly with chatGPT. Imagine that

A VR edition is a must or we'll never actually get up from our desks lol

Is it Todd that is going to support the game or the modding community that fixes Bethesda games as good it can be

@@svengamings8658 I only know what I heard brother

whats your cpu though?

@@celozzip it's a Ryzen 9 5900x

Nice build ngl

@@orlandofurioso7329 Thanks so much ^w^

Dude, it isn't a frigging competitive FPS, so what's the point of having to play in a such framerate? it's a Bugthesda game, I don't think the animations are higher than 60fps and you basically giving away performance you could use in prettier graphics, just find a balance where you PC holds 60fps stable in that game and you'll notice anything different rather than the visuals.

odd, I have a 3080 ti and im well over 70 fps Max settings, 75% resolution scale. 3440x1440

There's definitely a limit of what the engine can handle. The more items there are in the world the bigger the savefiles will get and the more ids are needed. Not sure what the limits are for the engine but probably high enough as long as you're not pushing it on purpose

​@@bwabbelyeah, the "safe" limit is on the +3millions as far as I remember. This is counting references to the items when the game spawns then at the start of a game. Starfield, by being made with procedural content in mind, might have a different system. It's not like someone has the entire game and how it works figured out by now, tho

@@DavidUtau well I hit that limit twice in Skyrim. Once cheated once with a normal playthrough. 3 millions sounds crazy high. Well let's hope

Yeah, the loading screens aren't what puts me off, it's the feeling of fragmention that comes as a consequence of it. Having a single open world like Skyrim even with loading screens felt like I was travelling and adventuring in one persistent world. With Starfield it feels like a bunch of disjointed zones.

What are you complaining about? It just works.

Yeah, I think there's gonna be memes coming out of that one. It's a bit like handing someone a can opener, but denying them cans of food to open.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I can't wait for Crowbcats video on this, all the promises that were made 😂

​@@swipingswiper6835 well stated.

You can toggle it on or off in breathable areas.

It's a toggle. For helmet as well in inventory category.

Look at the space suit and helmet menus. It's a setting there.