I have the Studio 80's and the cabinets are very well built but yes the crossover construction is fresh off the farm, filled with cheese. Don't get me wrong, I am happy with the Paradigms but, maybe they could have been better.

You are welcome and thanks for watching.

Depending on what version Atoms you have cheese is all they deserved in the crossover to meet it's price point. No crossover components would make the Atoms V3s compete with the next model up: Mini Monitors.

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Of course it is.

Thank my editor. He comes up with all of that.

So good to see confirmation from an actual owner

I love my forte’s. For the exact reasons you mentioned - especially the kick drum. I dont want it to have flat response because that’s not the point lol

Is your tongue usually stuck in your cheek?

Which speakers do you have snd did u do am upgrade? How was it?

We've measured a pair of original La Scala a few years ago, they were a disaster. Classic speaker designs actually sell quite well these days, Klipsch Being no exception.

there are a lot of folks that don't really know what good speakers sound like, that helps explain why Klipsch and Polk can sell so many crappy speakers. But hey those orange cones look cool

When I much younger I often help a friend DJ weddings and he used LA scales. So in a hall with lots of people the LA Scalas were great, nit sure I would want them in my living room.

I agree La Scala sound off say compared the JBL 4367! But I am ordering the bookshelf RP-500M II next week. A fun speaker that doesn't cost an arm and a leg!😅

Upgrade them to hear his voice more accurately!!

The reflections of the tweeter directly on the floor is going to be a bigger issue as it will cause comb-filtering as the reflection is no longer delayed in time vs the tweeter being closer to middle of the room with a traditional floor or ceiling reflection.

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Try the forte before you write Klipsch off, or the new Klipsch powered Nines I'd recommend, much different, good stuff. The best of the kg line for me, and I had nearly all of those and only liked 2, the kg3 and kg 3.2, I think mainly because they were the only ones that used that tweeter of the line and the midrange was better. Just my opinion.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN SHOUTY? THEY SOUND JUST FINE TO ME.

Sometimes, but even Klipsch's "flagship" RF-7 III was a disaster in its own right.

You must have missed it, but there is already a MKII version.

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@asterixx6878 months? They have been in business for years and they can't put out a good product. I really don't care I have speakers that I spent 100 hrs of hours to design

Because if they used Danny's designs, the speakers would need to be priced differently.

@@EskWIRED Bingo!!!

Cause he’s a fraud

Thanks! It's been a great learning experience getting to take a crack at some of these upgrades. 👍

They still sell hundreds of speakers so they will have a cult following even if they sound like poop.

I doubt they even watch his show

​@asterixx6878 let's hear about your speaker design expertise and experience .........🥱

They don't change in regard to measured frequency response. They stay really stable for many years.

@@dannyrichie9743 👍

I did test and measure some. They were among the worst measuring speakers that I have ever measured.

I designed an upgrade for their top models already.

Industrial floor tiles are better. However, after the gluing it in, then finding open cell foam, cutting it, and gluing it in, it's easier to just use No Rez and No Rez is much more effective.

I'm hoping this is just a joke.

@@alrio8102 Explain

@@alrio8102 Did youtube eat my last comment? explain?

Well, let's see. They are about 80 degrees out of phase on tweeter axis and about 180 degrees out of phase 8" up.

I've only designed upgrades for the 11's and 111's.

Any chance of designing some for the 1's? I know you need measurements to go off or examples in house. If i can't send mine and unless someone drops off theirs, is it possible for me to take measurements of mine with something like the UMIK 1 microphone? Thanks again @@dannyrichie9743

I have not worked on that model.

We only got sent one speaker, so we rarely get that opportunity, doubly so as we don't install the upgrades in house. we do the design work then den the customer their speaker along with the parts for the pair. We have done before/after with the 600M a couple years ago.

You could, but the floor reflection becomes a problem at that point creating comb filtering issues as it's not delayed in time enough.

Send him some of your planars and see what he thinks about them 😅

I have not had any of their products sent in yet.

@@dannyrichie9743 would be interesting.. it's one of the oldest and biggest european brands. i live in italy and its costs me to much ship you my speakers.

You can if you want.

Why do people buy them? They don't sound good and I don't even think they look good. I really dislike those copper colored drivers. And I don't like horns.

Small ones.

Out of phase at the crossover point.

@@dannyrichie9743 So the tweeter's lower response is being canceled by the woofer''s higher response which is out of phase. Is that what causes the big dip between about 1k and 2.3k? I always thought Klipsch designed the speakers this way to have a strong low end and a bright high end. It seems many people prefer this type of inaccurate sound. (not me) Does the tweeter's position in the box affect this issue? Should it be farther from the woofers.

@@swinde Yes, it is the offset in time that causes the out of phase issue there at the crossover point. Moving the drivers further away will make it much worse. We've corrected this issue the new crossover.

@@dannyrichie9743 In that case I guess the crossover component values moved the tweeter response to match the woofers natural output? Do you think Klipsch put that in to cause a dip in the midrange to please people that like the bright and bassy sound? With this response curve, sometimes a female vocalist can almost drop out of the mix. An example would be the Pozo Seco Singers from the 60s and 70s.

@@swinde No, they have not put in a dipped area to achieve any particular sound. It was a result of poor engineering. Once we pointed out the time domain error (phase problem) they went back to the drawing board and redesigned their whole product time to fix that issue as it was a problem with nearly all of their models.

Learning how to measure them is not that hard to learn. How to correct it takes longer than an afternoon.

they made some improvements with the "series II" of their RP line, which fixed the phase issues, but they kept the tweeters boosted above the mids and bass.

@@dannyrichie9743 for sure. But knowing they’re out of phase is kind of step one I would think

I don't know about that, if you've just laid down your hard earned on a pair of RP's then there's every chance you might be curled up in the fetal position a few minutes after wiring them up. I've just upgraded from a pair of 5000f's to the 8000f ii's because I figured Danny would never bother getting around to a kit for these. *Doh!* Worse still, I've so far found the 8000f ii's to be pretty underwhelming and I'm second guessing my decision. This kit is actually pretty appealing darn it, hmmm... waiting to see a kit for the 8000f ii. Would happily send mine but I think postage from Australia might be a bit much.

No because they are not 180 out, more like 90 degrees. Also with the lower woofer also crossing into the tweeter it will never be right.

It raises the question, then: why did Klipsch wire them out-of-phase? Klipsch has engineers, and one would assume they have a QA procedure. I understand cheap parts in the crossover. There's a lot of pressure to keep costs down, and the average purchaser probably won't notice? But you'd think someone at Klipsch would listen and say, "That doesn't sound quite right."

@@curtiscroulet8715 They weren't wired out of phase. The problem is the offset of the drivers and needing to design a crossover that takes that offset into account and gives a proper phase angle that will keep them in phase over a wide range. Also, it appears that Klipsch did not invest enough in the design stage to make sure these elements were correct.

Well, it leaves one wondering about the discussions at Klipsch prior to someone saying, "It's good enough! Ship it!"

Honestly, they both need an upgrade to make them listenable.

@@dannyrichie9743 So save the money and get the older version, thanks!

@@asterixx6878 We've made it easy.

@@dannyrichie9743 yeah okay 😂

@@Artguitars Or just start over and build one of our DIY kits (our speakers) and have much better performance across the board.

Maybe the resulting issue is a result of Klipsch building the speaker to a target budget. Those speakers cost $1k a pair. To fix the issue would cost $539. The question is, can Danny fix the issue within the same budget as klipsch maybe $25 - $50 and not $539?

@@flargosa Klipsch intentionally makes them sound the way they do. They could for the exact same price make them sound the way Danny Does. It has NOTHING to do with budget at all. He is not actually fixing them, but simply deriving a FLATTER response, where as Klipsch is making them intentionally NOT flat. Do you truly believe Klipsch is not aware of what they are doing...lol?

@@kevintomb So you believe no compromises were made designing to a target price?

If you own it and want to keep it then I have an upgrade that fixes them. If you don't own them, then I do not recommend them.

@@dannyrichie9743 I want to buy the mark ii version. So what problem do they have?

@@MasterofPlay7 from the measurements I've seen, they fixed the phase issues, but the tweeter still boosted by ~3dB, so they will still sound quite bright, especially on-axis. and a few reviewers have mentioned that they are a little thin in the bass and need to be kept near the front walls.

@@hoth2112 yea that's what I'm afraid of, bright speakers.... The bass should sound big I mean that's their top of the line speakers....

@@MasterofPlay7 They changed the order of the crossover to shift the drivers back in phase. They still use the same cheesy parts, steel parts in the binding posts, lightly constructed cabinets that have resonance issues..... If you haven't already bought them. There are better options.

I've measured quite a few of their speakers. The drivers are very good, and they typically measure very well.

You do not LOSE sensitivity, the response "Before" was simply overly strong in the mids and highs. The bass was several decibels below the mids and highs. I think we agree!

@@kevintomb from commercial point of view, tout loose sensitivity. 😅

What is woke sience?

@@northa4021 Men can get pregnant.

He does, but most of the speakers we get sent by customers who aren't happy with their performance. We've gotten some where they actually measure pretty well but only need some small tweaks or improvements in parts quality. A couple ATCs and a high-end Revel both were pretty good from the factory.

Its not his fault that Klipsch cant competently design a single speaker.

These videos are about speakers that were sent to them BECAUSE they sound bad or off...what do you want him to say? "The customer was disappointed with the sound, and these measure terrible...but holy f**k, do I love them! Gonna send them back just as they are and ask the customer if he is drunk!"

Because these videos are not about what he likes.

Hahaha how stupid could be the situation .No one use his hears ? No one has a decent source for his speakers?No one can t made a difference between speakers ? Really ,all customers ar use measurements,to see how solid is the cabbinet ? Wtf .....Music is pure listening ,you don t need an osciloscope while you listen Bach,Mozzart or ABBA you don t need to see all curves ,half of all from the whole world don t know how are looking all of this.Clips like this are made for stupid people who can t choose for himselfs and allways need a f....advice or acceptance from old bothered man who s za best in town and can criticizes a work of a great company like Klipsch .I would like if he can made the same shit with Focal ,Gryphon,Magico,Dali Kore and many more or this are to famous to be like .If you re greater like you pretrend ,why you don t have your own speakers company and let us after to criticize your job,your company,your people who work for you and see .When your company will gain age,prizes like Klipsch ,we will see how good engineer you are .

I would never try to listen to them that loud.

@ 90 db Dangerous over 30 minutes. what are you taking about?

@@hom2fu Thats funny because 95db is my "comfortably loud" listening volume. I listen for hours at a time. If I want to get LOUD then I go to 110 plus db. I have taken my speakers to 115db.

​@@freeradical6390no way no how for every 3db increase in spl you double the power you must have a BIG amplifier

@@handlemyname well I can hit 115db plus with my speakers and an Emerald Physics 200.2SE running at 8ohms 200wpc. I dont think 200wpc is that big of an amp. But then, Im also into car audio where 3000 watts isnt a big deal anymore. I just wonder what an average built speaker like those klipsch are meant to do