So many Bardocks... so little time.

Does anyone else just miss bardocks headband

"Open up your books to namek saga, chapter..." This sounds like a dragonball church

I'll stick with the 1991 version! It was a master piece!

This retcon creates a massive plot hole for the series. Goku was originally sent to earth to wipe out it's population so the Saiyans could sell the planet. If Goku was sent to Earth now to escape from Frieza then Raditz never would have came to Earth to check on Kakarot's progress. Raditz never would have told Nappa and Vegeta about the dragon balls and Dragon Ball Z never would have happened.

Toryama might as well turned Bardock into a brilliant scientist.

Toriyama: Fans....? Fans: Did you make Broly canon? Toriyama: Yes Fans: What did it cost? Toriyama: "Everything...."

Old Bardock > New Bardock

Can't wait until they remake History of Trunks Tv special too, with Future Gohan dying while trying to protect the Pilaf Gang!

Akita toriyama probably doesn’t even remember much of bardock let alone his own original manga. Sure it’s been more than 20 years, but he’s notoriously bad at remembering his own stuff. He forgot all about super saiyan 2 before, and if you read some of his interviews it can get so awkward how much he’s forgotten.

If Raditz isn't in the movie I'm gonna cry 😭😭😭 Edit: Thanks for the likes 😭💪

Original Bardock: Portrayed Sayains perfectly as they were made to be violent, aggressive, and loved fighting Minus Bardock: Caring and the complete opposite of the saiyans that were portayed (except Goku because of his head) In my own opinion prefer the bardock special wayyyy better

7:40 "nobody there" so we're just going to ignore all the warriors on the left side floating in space?

Damn so basically my entire childhood of watching this is non-canon. They keep changing the original story.

The Red Bandana Makes Him Look More Savage Like Rambo

Bardock's story was a damn near perfect prequel to the series.

Both look good but I prefer the old Bardock, he looks cooler and more like a true sayian warrior

How many Bardocks are there? Old Bardock, New Bardock, Time Breaker Bardock, Xeno Bardock, SS3 Bardock!

THANKS TORIYAMA ,YOU JUST DESTROYED MY FAVOURITE CHARACTER

This is the same person that flat out said they forgot about launch.

Classic Bardock is the only version that I’ll accept, however if they keep some of his old personality intact and his rebellion against Freiza then I can live with this change.

Old bardock because he was a badass when he first appeared

I love how savage old Bardock was. That special was deep. You shall know the horror of your end!! Having the gift/ curse of foresight. When he throws that last blast at Frieza he exclaims No way!!! He can’t believe how insanely strong Frieza actually is. They through that out in Broly. It didn’t seem as terrifying , in the tv special the little guy killed a bunch of his men they all flooded out to attack Bardock. They were shocked and horrified. I still enjoy DBS super I watched it again last night. I watched the first 5 DBZ movies yesterday I love them I’m glad all that stuff is still around. I enjoy the new but it doesn’t just replace what came before it. I like the old villainous Broly I like the new Broly. I like the fact that Heroes exist and all these characters and transformations can exist s

Old Bardock made more sense. Remember that part Bardock and his team attacked those people so they can get that power to see the future? That made it more unique. Here's why when Bardock was given the Physic Ability to see the future, Bardock and his son Kakarot could see it. And that explain why Kakarot was Crying so Loud it Awaken something in him not just a super Sayian but Legendary Power from within. I Felt like that physic Ability Gave him a secret unknown power to go beyond limits. Think about it That physic Ability was so powerful Bardock's own Offspring could witness it with him but you just had to be a newborn witch also makes sense. And the part Kakarot hit his Head when he was a baby I think that also was important. lol

Goku's backstory = Superman's backstory. Toriyama is smoking.

(Dragon Ball Minus Bardock is in the movie) Badass Bardock: DAMN IT ALL!!!

I just chalk it up to Trunks messin up the timelines.

Akira could save everything by saying that this is an alternate reality.

My biggest gripe with Minus is that it doesn't just retcon the manga but it undercuts everything Goku has ever achieved. It literally turns his origin into Superman. Which is funny because Toriyama said he didn't like how the anime portrayed Goku as too heroic but you turn his origin into the man that is all truth and justice everywhere. Instead of Goku being sent to earth to destroy it he was sent there to live a peaceful life. Then there's the fact that roshi CLEARLY said that Gohan found a BABY in the wilderness. Does Goku look like a baby in that scene? Or how about the fact that Gine says "I'll tell raditz what's going on" that clearly doesn't happen now does it. Thematically DB should have ended years ago.

Shenron, please grant my Wish: Bring back TV Special Bardock!

Despite Dragon Ball not having a super complex story: OG Bardock's story is about a warrior whose race is controlled by a Tyrant, with a will to change it all. Later, when he gets the power to observe the outcome of his actions, he attempts to change fate in honor of his fallen team mates, who died by their tyrant's actions. In the end, Bardock realizes his efforts were futile and the demise of his planet was set in stone. Moments before accepting that fate, he witnesses a vision of his son facing the ruler doomed his people. Bardock smiles as he shouts his son's name. DBS Bardock is about a family man who cares for his wife and son and only wishes the best for him, and, as a last wish, hopes his son can change his race's course. I made my choice ;)

Let's go back to the 90s

There’s only one Bardock and he wears a red bandana.

My main bone to pick with modern bardock is his appearance he basically looks like Goku with Saiyan armor and a scar on his cheek when as to the older movies/specials with bardock in the past he was unique and he clearly wasn't just a copy and paste of Goku with a few minor detail difference I'm getting the vibe that the complete opposite is being approached here

Did people forget that Sayains are ruthless and bloodthirsty alien fighters who kill people for sport?

I'm just gonna act like Minus never happened. Even for the Broly movie. I'll only acknowledge lil Vegeta, lil Raditz, and the Broly parts of the backstory.

DBZ Bardock: Awesome bad ass Saiyan that tries to save his home world despite impossible odds Minus Bardock: Lame Jor-El rip off that gives Dragon Ball back the vibe of being a Superman rip off that I thought it would be over by now.

Toriyama is sitting on 50 million dollars. Yall think he cares about continuity?

And people said dragon ball gt sucked.

Old Bardock is better, end

Your editing has improved vastly.

7:43 "There didn't appear to be anyone there" There is literally a battalion of soldiers on the left side if the screen

I like the compassion the new Bardock has, but I prefer everything else about the old Bardock

The clips you sent from the Broly trailer also retcon something else: In Dragon Ball Z, Super, and the original Dragonball manga, planet Vegeta is red from space. But in the Broly trailer is looks teal like Namek.

*OLD IS GOLD.*

New Bardock needs his blooded headband on. Without it he looks almost like Goku Black with a scar

I don't understand why Toriyama want to change now what he established for Saiyans in the first place. It's supposed that Saiyans were a brutal race who live in a brutal society where even the kids are used as soldiers because they tend to be violent even as babys. So they were the opposite of "good guys". In fact Goku was just like that and only change his temper due to a strong hit in the head. In that context, it has all sense that Bardock were a violent random guy in King Vegeta army. But now, Goku's father is something like a scientist, a family guy and a beloved husband/father, who only wants to protect his family. Come on, even Raditz wanted to kill Goku for not being what a Saiyan must be. It has no fucking sense. And the worst thing, it is something that somehow ruin Goku's own arc, because it's the story of guy who is destinied to destroy the Earth and the human race but became its greatest champion, and even is capable to change the evilest enemies thanks his honor, honesty and nobility. Toriyama doesn't read his own fucking manga and doesn't even care about it.

At least GT took traits from the original story and built a whole saga off of it without contradicting the balance.

I liked psychic Bardok

The reason it’s annoying is because it’s so damn confusing

"History Time Line/Universe" Theory. Earth-1 Bardock: Father 👉 Earth-1 DB 👉Earth-1 DBZ 👉 Earth -1 Cell. Earth-2 Bardock: Father 👉 Earth-2 DB 👉 Earth-2 DBZ 👉 Earth-2 Trunks. Earth-3 Yamoshi 👉 Earth-3 DB Minus 👉 Earth-3 DB 👉 Earth-3 DBZ 👉 Earth-3 Trunks (universe destroyed by Earth-3 Zeno) Earth-4 Bardock: Father 👉 Earth-4 DB 👉 Earth-4 DBZ 👉 Earth-4 GT. Earth-5 SSJ Bardock 👉 Earth-5 Bardock: Father 👉 Earth-5 DB 👉 Earth-5 DBZ 👉 Earth-5 GT. Earth-6 Yomashi 👉 Earth-6 DB Minus 👉 Earth-6 DB 👉 Earth-6 DBZ 👉 Earth-6 DBS. DB Heroes is weird so I'm not sure how to theory that.

I feel like this movie is trying to be the new EVERYTHING regarding saiyans- when in reality it just needed a clearer understanding of the backstory We don’t need a laundry list of retcons to make it easier for the movie to tie shit together- just make use of the assets you already have

Old design of bardock looked badass and new one looks like he just downgraded

Let's be honest, the only characters we can be sure he'll never forget about are Goku and Vegeta, the rest always have a possibility of being victims of forgetfulness.

I’ve been waiting for brolys golden moment but...AT WHAT COST!?😭

Honestly we need history on Frieza’s race.

It looks like Bardock lost a fight to Guile and decided to go home and be a family man. I miss when he was cool. He conquered planets and didn't afraid of anything.

Don't tell me he don't have copyright to his own creation.

Toriyama Forgot... Literally Forgot everything...

What type of Mandela effect is this!

Old Bardock.

I feel like they could've fused both Bardock stories very well and have a best of both worlds situation.

Toriyama actually made DBZ Bardock canon he said it himself. Till DBM was created. Also Toriyama actually drew DBZ Broly and DBZ Bardock both of them were drawn by Toriyama but for the rest he didn't do anything with the characters. But he loved DBZ Bardock's story so much he made it canon till he created DB minus. But now the Broly movie has dropped we see Bardock did try to rebel against Frieza.

i miss the old bardock

This retcon literally ruined Dragon Ball a bit for me. It's one thing for GT or Super to shit up it's own story. It's a whole another thing to destroy the past events that this series was built on to the point that they might as well reboot Dragon Ball. This retcon is so bad it's actually impossible to ignore like dogshit in the middle of the room with no AC on a hot summer day.

I hate how much q kid they made him look. Old school Bardock looked and felt like a older, manlier goku

The way I see it. Toriyama is the professor who changed his syllabus 3 weeks into the semester and we are the students complaining about an early exam

So... um... Grandpa Gohan still happened...? Right?🙃🙂😐

Toriyama can’t write people need to accept that

Damn I wish they'd just left it alone after GT

I like the old Bardock he died trying to protect his race and Planet Now that's A Badass Sayian

The reason why we LOOOVE Bardock (My fave character btw) is how despite all the odds and his own people dissing him, he gave no fk and still tried to change the future. Also his red bandana (color literally made from his own blood AND his comrade's blood) is what defines Bardock as a character, It is such an important tool to the character (like kid goku with nimbus and power pole) and they decided to take THAT out. I'm like WHAT!! WHYYY

The question is why. Do these retcons make the story any better? Do they do any good? I don't think so. Bardock is a more sympathetic characters, but this only means, he looks even more like Goku. Aside from the fact, that even their skin tones seem to match now. Before, Bardock, at least in his behaviour, was clearly distinct. I also don't understand, why Toriyama takes out strong scenes like Bardocks team dying, the fight with Freezers men, the Rebellion. It does nothing good for this story. So question is, why even change it? At least Broly is back.

New Bardock is just like Jor El and super man :/ and im rly sad about that. Old story was perfect.

Legendary Bardock vs Children Friendly Bardock

Just make a dragon ball: reboot Toriyama

His new armor is trash the old one was way better

*It's stuff like this that make me seriously tired of keeping track with the Dbz lore and history.* 👌😁

I really hate this he is ruining the story, if he’s going to do this then he needs to redo dragon ball and dragon ball z over again cause you can’t just erase things that already happened that’s bs, all this for Broly, yes the movie will be entertaining and epic but still doesn’t change the fact now all the pieces of the puzzle don’t fit now unless you start the whole show over, basically as a big fan I feel like I just watched dragon ball and dragon ball z for no reason cause now it all doesn’t even make sense, idc if he created the show you can’t just be changing things like that and act like it’s no big deal, I feel like this guy is just so irresponsible there’s no way he can forget all the things he forgets he has it all written down in INK in countless manga and movies and dvds there’s no way you can forget all these things and anyway that’s why you have a team, why isn’t his team pulling him to the side and stopping before he publishes these things, yes he’s the boss I know but still they just let him do all this stupid shit all the time I don’t understand, and Bardock was a good ass movie didn’t need to be changed at all wtf man

Dragon Ball Super Retcon. That's basically all that Super seems to be. A giant retcon and I would imagine when Super comes back, they're going to act like it's been this way the whole time and Goku knew his father. This kind of shit really ruins the integrity of the story. People like when something has a lore, it makes it easier to suspend your disbelief and invest in the story.

He's still a brilliant scientist right?

Said open up your manga to chapter 3 like we in Sunday school

Dbz bardock movie is canon in my book idgaf fuck this dbs bs shit Bro that scene alone when Bardock tried to warn the saiyans that freiza is coming was soo good

Am I the only one who notices frieza’s weird blue scouter

The things I want from the tv special in the movie are: 1) Headband 2) Green armour 3) Bardock attacking frieza

Toriyama is bat-shit insane nowadays.. he made Dragon Ball super both non-cannon and cannon somehow. That's fine! I like GT's storylines more than super's anyways.

Its simple the broly movie isn’t cannon

There's also the beerus issue maybe being retconned as before and his father saw beerus on planet vegita. Vegita wasn't a small child at the time when he confronted beerus. So the battle of gods also seems to have an issue too

All this retconning for a canon Broly, is it truly worth it ….? My childhood, reduced to non-canon.

Old Bardock looks like a man. New one looks like a Pokemon. Maybe minus is a different universe.

YOU'RE GOING TO DESTROY THE WHOLE PLANET TORIYAMAAAA YOU'VE GOT TO STOP IT !!!

All Toriyama could've done was just add more stuff to the Bardock that we already knew. Like he gets soft when he is near Gine. Instead of having him worrying about Goku just have him visit Gine and when he sees Goku just have him say "He gotten that big already" telling the audience he doesn't visit that often and haven't seen his kid since he was born. Because Bardock gets soft near Gine that scene with him showing "Love" makes since because Gine is nearby.

i dont get it now, were'nt sayians supposed to be brutes and bardock was like that in dbz but now he is now a human lol and people are supporting this

This is what happen when Broly is canon

This shitstorm is going on since Super started...

The ORIGINAL Bardock is the Great rebellious Saiyan Warrior!!!! The New Bardock is kinda ,,, umm, idk. Not very Warrior like👎

Not pissed, so pumped. Also I'll make my opinion of new bardock after the movie. If I'm just going off minus, I prefer the older version, but I have a feeling they will somehow combine them in the movie.

Toriyama has gotten too old He should nt really write the manga anymore

I’ve done a simple Hi Quality Edit that goes from the beginning of Broly to Paragus shooting beats and then I go over to the Bardock Special.

the continuity hurts........so much