Old Man Emu BP-51 Suspension - Watch Before Buying - WE BROKE IT

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Old Man Emu BP-51 Suspension - Watch Before Buying - WE BROKE IT - 1 Yr Offroad Review

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This is why I don't believe in Unboxing video reviews on Off road and Overland products. Sometimes you just have to use a product, get it out there on the trail, beat it up a little before you really know what you have.
In this video we cover the Good, the Bad and newly found UGLY on ARB's Old Man EMU BP-51 Suspension kit. The Short version is I still love this suspension but I can't fully recommend it without pointing out a possible defect that did cause a serious failure on one of our recent trips... that said there is a very easy work around... and I will show you that in the video as well. If you have this suspension WATCH this video...
I would love to hear from all of you on this one... I am conflicted... it is a great product but also hard to recommend with this issue... Have any of you had this issue? Do think it is caused by something else in addition to what I mention? Have you used any of the work arounds discussed?
This does seem to be isolated to the Tundra platform/kit... I ran this suspension system on my 4Runner with Zero Issues for over 30K miles.
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@MrRaghva89 3 жыл бұрын

Got it professionally installed on my '19 4runner. Big difference both on and offroad. Rear became soft after 8 months or so. I have a full steel rear bumper with tire carrier and I got medium spring kit. Gonna switch it to heavy. It even took jumps on-road.

@chrismortensen4183 3 жыл бұрын

I had this kit on a Tacoma. Ride quality was great. I had 3 shocks develop a leak. ARB warrantied all 4 for me so they would all have the same life span. All of them leaked at that fitting on the shock body. ARB doesn’t have a procedure developed to rebuild these yet even though they are rebuidable.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info... did you ever notice if the hose was rubbing on the shock mount... or do you think it was a different issue on the Tacoma? Also - I saw the same thing... ARB is VERY good with their warranties.

@chrismortensen4183 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto never noticed it contacting anything just developed a leak.

@ConspiracyJ Жыл бұрын

@@chrismortensen4183 any updates on this chris? i literally just ordered this full kit for 4k... im pretty worried now boys

@williamruhe1654 3 жыл бұрын

Good information my friend 👍 thank you for that . I have a 2021 SR5 TRD off road 4x4 and love it . It’s stock but your throwing out some good stuff 😃 keep it up 👍

@adamcarpenter7823 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info on the leaking rears. Hopefully impact was the problem as that should be easy enough to fix. I just installed a set of these in my 2018 Tundra last night (only got the rears done so far) and I made a cutout for the fitting with a cutoff wheel and cleaned it up with a Dremel so hopefully I don't have this issue! Great video!

@nonope1774 3 жыл бұрын

The obvious problem is that the truck is under-sprung and needs larger bump-stops. The shock shouldn't ever become the bump-stop. It's all on ARB. The whole problem can be fixed with a little better engineering.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

All good points... I do have a hard time believing just a bump-stop solves this considering the shock in my case was pretty well protected by an inflated airbag... I get it isn't the same thing... but you get what I am saying. Agree on shock shouldn't be bump-stops... in this case I don't think they were. I think it takes fairly minimal amount of force to have these two components contact each other.

@Hunter-qg2bv 3 жыл бұрын

Hello, I got the same suspension kit on my 2016 SR5 Tundra. Love the kit few little issues at the back as well though. For the issue your talking about, if you read in the instructions, it tells you to have at least 10mm gap between the " banjo " fitting and the upper mount( metal bracket part of the upper mount welded on the frame). What I did is I grind a half moon around it. Mine never hit but still started leaking recently from the same fittings. My greaseable shackles have a loose and they're pretty much brand new. But yes you're right ARB stand behind their products.!!!!

@shadow.overland 3 жыл бұрын

The shop is just about to finish day two of my 2018 F150 SuperCrew build. Calling for an update shortly and pick it up tomorrow EOD. Based on one of your other videos and video from another YT'er, I deleted the rear blocks from the BDS kit for the factory leaf springs and went with new Deavers. Got the Deaver HD's. Just checked the Deaver site and they make replacement leaf springs for a Tundra. Standard, medium, and HD duty with different lift heights. Can't wait to get my rig back!!!

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

On nice... that sounds like a killer setup. I have Deavers on my other Tundra... very impressed. Have fun with the new truck.

@234bull3 2 жыл бұрын

Rotating the shock about 45degrees to the rear will put the banjo joint inside the shock support and make sure it does not interfere...a simple fix.

@stevenpeterson8444 4 күн бұрын

the hose to the reservoir doesn’t allow for that. very little flex.

@234bull3 2 күн бұрын

@@stevenpeterson8444 Did you try it? It works like a charm on my 4runner, I left the reservoir lose until the shock was in place as the twisting of the shock does impart a twist in the hose, I then set the reservoir in the position where the hose was least stressed. Looking at this video and my 2014 Tundra, I would think that it will take only a 45 degree rotation to the rear to clear the frame and allowing the reservoir to sit further to the rear will alleviate most of the binding. A bend that does not kink the hose will not damage it. FWIW, this might preferred to cutting your truck frame.

@stevenpeterson8444 2 күн бұрын

@@234bull3 yep, there’s barely enough hose to get to the reservoir mount, let alone extra

@ron8975 3 жыл бұрын

Since the installation of the Air Bags required the removal of the rear bump-stops on the Tundra. I'm betting the reservoir fitting clearance issue is due to the shock bottoming out and crushing the upper mounting bushing. There-by allowing the fitting to hit the mount. That upper rubber bushing is there to allow a tiny bit of movement and to isolate the chassis from noise and vibration NOT to suck up the energy from a bottomed out shock. There are no shocks avail that (as far as I know) have a built in bump-stop. I'd either get the heavy duty springs or figure out a way to limit the "up" travel enuf that the shock doesn't bottom out. YMMV RON

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

This makes a lot of sense... On one hand the air bags weren't deflated when this happened... so it would be hard to completely bottom out the shock but I get what you are saying. You would be correct on the shock not having a built in bump stop. Good point on the bushing as well. I still believe the positioning of the hose is inherently risky. With that risk in mind... your Point is great... you may never wont to run this kit without carefully checking and adjusting your bump stop. I still wonder if even with a bump does the shock generate enough pressure to rub/hit the hose.

@nonope1774 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto I thought about that. I think clearencing the shock mounts and making sure there is plenty of bumpstop to take on the biggest hits before the shock bottoms out, is the complete answer. I learned from a friend that builds real Baja 500 trucks in his shop about bumpstops, air bumps, and hydro bumps. They are more important than I understood for controlling the truck on bigger hits.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

@@nonope1774 I hear yah... the new truck has Hydro bumps in the rear for this exact reason. I still need to improve my bumps in the front though. Hey - thanks for all the comments - good stuff for people to think about.

@bobg3723 2 жыл бұрын

Full winter wonderland? Lol! There looks to be green patches of lawn showing! Greetings from Minnesocold.

@russellwood8750 3 жыл бұрын

I was travelling around British Columbia and chatted to another off-roader , and he had the old man emu set up on his Tacoma and I’m seriously considering getting one from mine. He told me if I do get it make sure I get that Toyota bushings as the ones you get with the old man emu kit are not the best and do create issues so he told me to make sure I had a set of Toyota bushings for when it’s being installed. I can see if that relates to your tundra or not but it might be .

@ericschaub303 3 жыл бұрын

FYI, changing pre-load on the shock to change ride height will affect the amount of droop travel of the shock. I am not familiar with trucks but street cars should not use pre-load to change height beyond doing corner balancing because it will affect performance. I would imagine on the truck you do not want to take away too much droop by cranking up height via pre-load.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

You are absolutely right... there are several variables with trucks but depending on your UCA's and a few other things each model truck is going to have ranges for preload that you should not exceed. This is why even bolt on kits can get people in trouble if they don't pay attention to installation directions.

@blackoutt_adv 3 жыл бұрын

1. Adjust bump stops to properly prevent bottoming out the shock 2. Bend out/grind out the lip near the reservoir fitting 3. Either clearance the lip around the reservoir line as well, or wrap it with a sleeve to prevent chaffing. This is a problem on many other platforms and brands as well.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

I wish OME would just address it upfront and even Ad it to the installation instructions and save everyone the time. I have seen at least one other manufacturer that is doing this.

@chopperpl Жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto To be honest, I don't think that's OME issue. This is not the kit "set it and forget it" type. You must adjust it properly for the terrain you're driving on. If you get it wrong then you end up bottoming out and risking damage to the shock. Don't forget, those are made from alluminum and no matter what they/OME do the alluminum will not stand a chance against hi-grade steel of the frame. If your dump compression was set properly, the chances of getting that bushing squeezed so much would be close to zero. Anyways, thanks for sharing your experience. I'm pretty sure many OME owners would thank you for that.

@WolfOverland 3 жыл бұрын

great video! I run the ome standard kit (heavy duty front springs for my arb front bumper) (not the bp51) on my 2014 tundra. after adding a camper top and decked system i noticed a sag in the rear. i did the add a leaf with the ome greasable shackles and it corrected it. I love the ride and performance. Its on the stiff side yet i long for the adjustability so soften it up for the trail. I recently removed the front swaybar. night and day difference off road.

@MT-xj8mt 3 жыл бұрын

Damn, it happened again huh... I have a different brand with same design and same failure. Made the same exact mark on my rear shock mount. Trim around the shock mount for more clearance or it WILL happen again if you hit a hard bump or hard compression. I trimmed and so far, so good. Fingers crossed! Good Luck!

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

This time it happened in a significant and obvious way 😳

@xRAMENXx 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto It was in the installation manual to trim that mount. I read mine for the torque specs but skipped that section. When I emailed them about fixing it they asked if I read the manual.. They still replaced it for free. I installed mine in 03/19. The passenger side for whatever reason has more room.

@RiverBorne 3 жыл бұрын

So glad you made this video. I am having this suspension installed on my ‘17 Tundra in the next few weeks. I will ask the folks at ASD in Twin what they think during the install.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

It's a great kit... I'd just cut the notch or bend the edge out... and you should be set.

@paule_2031 3 жыл бұрын

Solved! It is from the side to side movement of your axle (not the up & down movement), compounded with twisting of the frame. Can you turn/spin your shock 90°?

@timothymroberts2949 3 жыл бұрын

I would say a higher durometer rubber or even urethane would solve that problem. It is most evident that the lower bushing of the upper Mount is compressing under load causing the impact with the bypass fitting on the shock body as you have experienced.

@andrewspanier8381 4 ай бұрын

I just bought the bp51 kit with heavy duty leafs option from cap it up here in 🇨🇦 there was medium and heavy duty options for tacomas not sure about tundras

@ShoddyRC 3 жыл бұрын

Do tundras have bump stops in the rear? It seems like a properly set bump stop would prevent this.

@user-xk9ed4fq4p 3 жыл бұрын

had that rear left BP51 broke TWICE ! first time was only after 1 month use. the tube itself comes off totally. couldn't figure out why until see the little mark on your truck. will cut it off right away.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

This is exactly why I made the video... I was hoping I could save at least one person the trouble of another broken rear shock... good Luck

@channlan 3 жыл бұрын

Had the same issue. I blew both rear shocks on a hard bottoming out. Arb tech replaced both and suggested to notch out the bucket and it worked. Haven't had any issues since.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

Geez... I wish they had told me that my first round... would have never had a problem the 2nd time.

@nonope1774 3 жыл бұрын

But.... The shock shouldn't be ever bottomed out either. If you run that hard you probably need to upgrade your bump stops. The stock rubber ones aren't designed for that.

@travisalderete5386 3 жыл бұрын

Great kit, would probably ask them to send you a taller rubber bushing. Bushings heat up and start breaking down. Ultimately, a fix has been stated for the issue. Take a quarter inch or so off the mount lip for a long term fix. I have also ran a flat washer on similar setups that bushings looked a bit short. No more than one top and bottom but really the manufacturer should buck up and send a taller bushing. You didn’t really break it if its a product flaw. Eager to see a fix.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

All good points... If for no other reason they should just get better info out about this so they don't have to keep replacing shocks... that can't be good for their bottom line.

@travisalderete5386 3 жыл бұрын

No thats some bad engineering right there but can be fixed. They should fix it so they don’t get the bad rep. Bottom line they are losing money not making the fix. Good stuff glad to see someone that uses their truck as a bada$$ rig!

@adrianw3985 3 жыл бұрын

So... grind that back a little on the Tundra as a preventative measure, that's good to know. On my 5th Gen 4Runner, I have 2 3/4 inch of lift on the front with stock upper control arms. No issues. The adjustments are maxed out, you need a good alignment tech to do it right. Any higher though and I would definately run some after market upper control arms...

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

Good info on the 4Runner, I never knew what exactly was the cut off.

@zip7806 Жыл бұрын

I F*ct up and Bought a 2WD Toyota truck. Thanks to this video I will Not F*ct up Twice by getting EMU.

@voodooblue6162 3 жыл бұрын

The more I spend on modifying my 4Runner, the more I realize that I would have been better off with a trd pro as factory form is always the best when it comes to reliablity and durability. Plus, I don' do any hardcore wheeling. #LiveAndLearn

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

For a ton of overlanders this is true... the stock vehicles are a lot more capable than people think and most people don't do hardcore wheeling... Factory form is SO reliable. Even though I have built up trucks I find myself 90% of the time just encouraging people to Overland what they have and keep mods minimal.

@dpeagles 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto You are one of few that I have heard to keep it minimum.

@markvanhoorn1886 3 жыл бұрын

The instructions that came with my kit (2012 tundra double cab) have a specific section regarding the rear clearance issue. It notes needing 10mm of clearance when truck is sitting on level ground. If you have less than 10mm, you'll need to do some grinding on the shock mount

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

When did you get your kit? I’m curious if they started adding that later... I think my issue is I got them really early for the Tundra.

@markvanhoorn1886 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto purchased about 3 months ago

@chrissteer3733 3 жыл бұрын

Up to 2 inch you won’t have that problem. Upper control arm won’t snag on the spring at that height. It won’t hurt but it’s not necessary. Over that prob a good idea

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree... if people can afford it... upgraded UCA's is going to help performance for sure.

@jnalley1632 3 жыл бұрын

I had read about this "potential" problem on my Tacoma. When reading through the warranty information on my Icons it mentioned that the warranty would not honor fixing the shock if that occurred. I did notice that the shock valve was much closer on one side than the other so I cut the one side to avoid it. There was a write up on TacomaWorld related to the issue on the Icons. Seems like a potentially common occurrence for several shock brands when folks actually use their vehicles. My guess would be something to do with the bushing and wear over time.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

It’s awesome that Icon seems to have figured out how to address it so it is easier to avoid. Any shock that has this issue should just have these steps explicitly called out in the install directions... I think they avoid it because then they would kind of lose their bolt-on status....

@davidromero6335 3 жыл бұрын

This reminds me of all the issues I have had with the rear Tundra PRO Bilstein Remote reservoirs. Those were $500 a piece to purchase and $500 to rebuild until Bilstein refused to send parts the Performance Shock Inc. anymore.

@stevenboise 3 жыл бұрын

I have a 2017 Tundra and put an OME suspension on but it was before the BP51 came out for the Tundra. I put the Heavy Load kit on the rear suspension with the add-a-leaf. Can you tell, I can’t, if the BP51 kit is the same Heavy Load (add-a-leaf) rear system? You mentioned in your video about the springs not being very heavy duty, and was wondering if that could be a work-around you were mentioning in your video for better springs for heavier loads. I’d love to up grade to the BP51, but keep my Heavy Load rear leafs with the add-a-leaf. Thanks for doing this video on the BP51. Great information to work with. Very well done!

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

Even with Heavier springs (I have Airbags that would prevent a full bottom out) I would still cut or Bend the top of the shock mount. My best guess is it doesn't take a bottom out to eventually create these problems... it seems it just takes time and heavy use. But definitely, use appropriate springs for the weight you carry. If I added heavier springs I could remove my airbag system...

@ConspiracyJ Жыл бұрын

Bought this full kit, and having it installed next week. Priaying this never happens to mee on my tacoma

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

Should be good… did they cut the notches?

@ConspiracyJ Жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto i had them cut the notches like u suggested

@coloradosun100 3 жыл бұрын

Would love to hear arb's response on this

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

Me too... at this point is seems like a very avoidable issue with proper communication/instruction.

@joncothranphotography9375 Ай бұрын

If all that I am doing with my truck is to everyday driver with adding a rack with rooftop tent with gear in totes in the bed for some weekend camping/fishing and maybe adding my canoe on the tent rack, can I get away with just rear shocks or maybe adding a leaf? Just wondering. It doesn't seem to make sense for me to add $3.5k of suspension for this much use. Thanks in advance! (2018 double cab Tundra)

@OutdoorAuto Ай бұрын

Absolutely, you definitely don’t need to go crazy… there is a decent chance your truck can handle all that fine… the Double cabs have higher payloads.

@joncothranphotography9375 Ай бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto Thanks! I'm thinking of just doing a camper shell with a rack for my canoe along with a decked system. I have 3 tents and 2 hammock setups, so the rooftop tent is not a must at all.

@jeffreymcdonald8267 3 жыл бұрын

Mac the knife here taking a wild stab in the dark...the bushing above the shock between the 2 washers or whatever at 12:50, this probably slowly loses its full thickness from being compressed. In addition to trimming the shock body above reservoir hose connection...would a thicker bushing (possibly nylon instead of rubber) also add a degree of clearance and longevity in protecting the hose mounting connection ??? Just a DIY'er observation.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

All of this makes sense to me... I think Bushing degradation is probably contributing for sure.

@timcallahan1055 3 жыл бұрын

I literally got my 21' 4Runner TRD ORP last week and I was looking at this setup. Hmmmm.....any thoughts on Ironman?

@sedricjoplin7788 3 жыл бұрын

I have Ironman and I like it 2009 fj cruser

@romokid64 3 жыл бұрын

I would recommend Bilstein in my opinion. 6112 front and 5100 rear (for pickups). If 4runner doesnt have leaf springs, then I would do their best tier. For regular off-road usage, don't need more than a 3in lift honestly.

@Reaper6207 3 жыл бұрын

I'm planning on doing this as the first stage in upgrading the suspension on my FJ and going with the heavy springs to help weight from my gear as well as future plans for front and rear steal bumpers. Hopefully there is no issues for the FJ if the 4Runners have no issues with this setup (near identical frames and suspension) 🤞

@q8shadowq8 Жыл бұрын

Greetings, any updates on the suspensions? doing the same thing for my FJ as we speak, thanks.

@Reaper6207 Жыл бұрын

@@q8shadowq8 install was easy and straightforward. Mix of comfort and harshness because I don't yet have steel bumpers so the ride is both smooth and rough depending on the road conditions. Bumps get soaked up but potholes or sharp abutments will be jolty.

@Reaper6207 Жыл бұрын

@@q8shadowq8 easy enough of an install if you're mechanically inclined.

@q8shadowq8 Жыл бұрын

@@Reaper6207 Thanks man, I did the suspension, roof rack, rear steel bumper and front steel bullbar + winch.

@stevegurney1310 3 жыл бұрын

Great info. Just to be fair and give ARB a fair chance maybe you could've contacted them with this NEW evidence before making this video and then you could tell us how they responded. Remember we all make mistakes. What matters is how you respond to that mistake.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

I have contacted them three times... nobody at Arb USA seems to have any idea that any of this is an issue... they just keep sending out replacements.

@stevegurney1310 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto I stand corrected. Good job. Keep up the fair critiques.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

@@stevegurney1310 I have a feeling the Australia Team knows all this but somehow it isn't making it to the US team that we get routed to.

@peteg7446 3 жыл бұрын

Had a similar issue with my Tacoma different shock brand. I just trimmed 1/4 inch on the shock mount to fix it.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

Good to know it isn't exclusive to OME.

@ericschaub303 3 жыл бұрын

How would you rate the ToyTech 2.5 Aluma kit vs these OME B-51s? I tow another car with my 2011 Tundra a few times a year. Right now its a stock truck with 140k miles but I have a bed rack and sliders and few things on the way and maybe a tent soon. I know nothing will be great suspension wise for off-road and towing but thinking maybe the articulating bags you mentioned in another video along with a kit from ToyTech (they are local to me). I was debating between the Aluma 2.0 and 2.5 because thats what they recommenced along with the rear lift shackle vs the add a leaf kit. But also debating between money for suspension vs a lsd or locker or bumper + winch. Want to run 35s and goal is to maybe do The Maze in Canyonlands in a few years but I'm just getting into it all and need to prioritize the build before buying things. Really appreciate your videos, they are very helpful!

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

I have never personally run the Aluma's but I have heard very good things. The design is going to more similar to Icons than the BP-51's... The BP-51 really is its own animal with the internal by-pass tech. But when you see new tech sometimes you also see the bugs/defects in the first try. IF you tow a lot I think the Aluma and Bags could be a good call... gives you a lot of flexibility.

@rdunbar7418 2 жыл бұрын

I would not cut my shock mount. Simplest solution is add a small space at the top of the shock. But I would have a serious discussion with shock supplier. They should replace that unit.

@756766 Жыл бұрын

Great info on the EMU Shock.. BTW- What front Bumper do you have on your rig? Nice set up.

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

That one is an ADD Stealth Bumper… really solid clearance angles…

@phlfly10 3 жыл бұрын

its always question do you really need to install 3.5 K dollars struts vs bilstein 5100 or even 1 K 6112. I wonder this, and I'm not trying bushing, just how many people do Baja type off road. As my opinion it's last thing you want do, well more important spring, after weight your truck. Like have GVWR is 8990 but my total weight as of right with family and dog 8960 lbs from weight. Ride quality is most important is tire pressure with your weight. Typical after market mistakes in manufacture as they don't want redesign that hydraulic port just for the Tundra. My guess it will addressed in next model.

@HighjakSecondary 3 жыл бұрын

The advantage to these more expensive kits is not that you need to do baja driving to benefit from them. The big pros are all of the advantages that inherently come with a remote reservoir and the added adjustability in height, compression, and rebound. Without these you're just left with what that shock is capable of out of the box. With adjustability you are able to tune almost every aspect to your vehicle, its weight, style of driving, terrain, and make adjustments as the vehicle changes and has weight added to it or removed.

@That_LowriderSt_Guy Жыл бұрын

If your top bushing is compressing that much, your bump stop spacing is wrong and you're bottoming out the shock

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

This isn't actually accurate... even Old Man Emu admitted to the issue with design and changed the install directions. The issue really comes when your rear axel is articulating front and back and side to side... the clearance from the reservoir hose and the shock mount is simply not big enough. Again... like the video lays out... even the manufacturer has admitted this and changed the install directions for a Tundra.

@mud-dust 2 жыл бұрын

I definitely need to have a look. Thank you for sharing.

@oversizedoverlanding2365 2 жыл бұрын

Have you had to rebuild them yet? Also did you run the Dakars with the AAL? Do you think Deaver U748 would be a better choice?

@huntsman12g 3 жыл бұрын

It seems that over time the shock bushings have compressed. Maybe you could consider upgrading to polyurethane bushings.

@KingFillip 3 жыл бұрын

Should not have to upgrade a single bushing on a +$2k shock set.

@vincentkeith5259 Жыл бұрын

The more you know - the more there is to learn. I'd come to conclusion that a standard kit wasn't going to work for me - I like the shocks, but I'm going with Deaver leaf springs, and probably Timbren bumpstops - either way, it looks like modding that shock mount will be part of the upgrade. Thanks!

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

Deaver Leafs are awesome... I run them on the Long Travel Tundra.

@vincentkeith5259 Жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto I'm probably going to run 285/75R17 because they're lighter, narrower, and significantly cheaper. At only 0.6" shorter than the 35x12.5 - I only lose 0.3 inches of clearance and save about $50 per tire. Which for me, is a good trade - if I did more trail stuff, I might think differently.

@bille5399 3 жыл бұрын

Its rubber. It compresses. Either get daystar hard bushings or just grind for clearance like old jeepers have done for years. Just a design flaw.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

Yup.. that is pretty much my conclusion.

@AldapesExpress 2 жыл бұрын

What do you think about the 2 inch essentials lift on 3rd gen Tacoma?

@suetaylor1127 3 жыл бұрын

I have it and love it! Plus no maintenance! However I wish I would have gotten icon stage 10 long travel and total chaos long travel control arms. Plus ICON STAGE 3 secondary shock front and back! I have weld on rock sliders, TC cam tab gussets for LCA's and steering knuckle and total chaos upper control arms. aFe momentum cold air intake with scoop and throttle body extender. Dual exhaust system, pedal commander, bed stabilizers, summosprings bump stops, ARB complete skid plate package and icon skid plates for LCA's. I have a bunch of LED lights and a roof rack. Plus bed rack system, traction mats, winch bumper with 9,000 lb winch and synthetic rope. I just put the OME AAL on and it lifted it 1 1/2 inches in the back!!!!!!!!! Can OME front shocks be adjusted to go higher because its ass is sticking up and the tire rub is un-drivable.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

Sue - i would need a little more info to answer these questions.... for starters what vehicle is all of this on? As far as the OME BP51's they are adjustable in the front for height by changing the preload... it gives you a couple inches of play. If the tire rub is that bad though... you may have other issues with offset...etc You should check out our discord server people talk about builds and get questions answered everyday in there. discord.gg/4SNTsTBdkx

@rodhelms-yt2pk Жыл бұрын

I have sky jacket and hum 8 mo they are failing no ofroading so any info on old man emu as a stronger spring

@jimbo4203 3 жыл бұрын

If you don't know by now , just keep offroading . You'll learn that it all breaks !

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

This is so true... it’s actually why I don’t write off products as bad just because they break...

@jimbo4203 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto but while expensive , its just so much fun !😎

@sirbogangaming1294 Жыл бұрын

here in aus arb has the same kit, but thats only medium load leaf springs, but arb do have heavier springs from constant 300kg plus to 500kg plus, the kit is a basic kit, but its all about asking questions and asking about heavier leafs, ive installed many of these kits myself, but if you are bottoming out the shocks that will cause damage, either increase bumpstops or get airbags aswell, arb will tailer the products to suit the needs.

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

shocks aren't bottoming out... it has to do with flex... when the shock angle changes and is comrpessed the bushings have enough play to hit the resivoir connection... ARB has addressed the issue and changed the install directions to include notching the shock mount....

@benjones8977 3 жыл бұрын

From my investigation as a rookie or newbie, I’ve learned that anytime you work on your suspension with a lift, you’re affecting everything on your vehicle. I’ve heard a lot of people are now learning they have to get a custom driveshaft to rebalance the lift. Also people doing different gear ratios, basically it seems you’re reengineering the whole truck. To me there’s too much involved and I have a lifetime warranty on my Tacoma TRD, so I’ll just stick with the standard one I got from the dealer. I don’t plan to do any rock crawling anyway!

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

What you're saying follows one of the core tenets of Overlanding... the most reliable vehicle is usually a stock vehicle. If that can get you where you want to go then that is what you should go with!

@finerbiner 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto Stock gets you maybe 75% here in Colorado. Plus, for overlanding, the stock suspension will sag under the weight.

@justinforrest221 3 жыл бұрын

I HAD BP-51’s on my Tacoma. ALL 4 failed in some way. The ride was great when they worked but they often didn’t work so.......

@dad3562 3 жыл бұрын

So what did you go to after BP-51’s?

@justinforrest221 3 жыл бұрын

I went back to the not flashy, but tried and true 5100’s with an 886 ome coil. I have a spare front and rear I throw in for longer trips away.

@dad3562 3 жыл бұрын

@@justinforrest221 sweet, that’s good to know! How do they handle? I have the FX4 Ranger and am looking to cruise 30 mph on AZ rock/Washboards but have it be pretty smooth.

@justinforrest221 3 жыл бұрын

When they work the ride is fantastic. High speed off road feel was great. I just can’t deal with stuff that keeps breaking. If I was to go performance shocks again it will be King, Ads or Elka.

@dad3562 3 жыл бұрын

@@justinforrest221 shoot, I just might go 5100’s instead that’s fantastic!

@jeffreytendahal2159 Ай бұрын

Can we have the bp51 with stock springs?

@OutdoorAuto Ай бұрын

That kind of depends on what platform you are running... if you are talking Tundra, and talking leaf springs, you could as long as the stock ones are still supporting your vehicle weight well.

@bengleckl1877 3 жыл бұрын

Do you know if ome ever fixed the problem or redesigned it so no one else has to cut into their truck?

@kingeddy83 3 жыл бұрын

Great video. I am getting ready to purchase the BP-51 system for my LC200. You recommend any shops locally (Treasure Valley) for the install? I hope that particular issue is not relevant to the LCs.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

I have been in the valley for over 20 years and I still feel like I don't know any good shops... I am mostly to the point where I am trying to do the work myself. I have heard Boise 4x4 is good.... but I have never used them.

@overlandersnorthwest 2 жыл бұрын

Silly question. Have you ever hard accelerated your sequoia like you stole it and do you feel bad sometimes? I do. It's super tempting especially with a catback exhaust and a CAI. But hopefully not doing any damage.

@OutdoorAuto 2 жыл бұрын

My white Tundra has the Same 5.7L that the Sequoia has but it also has the Magneson Super charger.... I love hard accelerating that thing... especially out in the desert... it absolutely flys.

@overlandersnorthwest 2 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto ok cool. Sometimes I worry I mess something up because it's a truck/suv not a racecar.

@AdrianH-vl3ux 3 жыл бұрын

Most helpful advice. Thank you

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Adrian 🙏

@scottb7835 3 жыл бұрын

Look at the angle your upper ball joint is sitting at. I think you should get control arms. Defective rear shocks? Unacceptable at that price. I am shopping for a lift, and OME just got scratched off my list. Good video.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah... the stock UCA's work... but I will get much better performance after an upgrade. I have been really impressed with what the stock UCA's could handle. I am very curious if OME has a 2nd gen BP-51 coming someday with updates from what they learned from this round... I could see that being pretty intriguing .

@ashsanh01 2 жыл бұрын

Why not add airbags in the back? Inexpensive and removes any sag on heavy loads. I have a firestone pair on my Tundra and they’re great for towing. Doesn’t mess with your lift/leveling either. Cheers from Canada!

@streakychambers658 3 жыл бұрын

Fit taller bump stops if available?

@chaseneal6122 2 жыл бұрын

Does anyone know if they make this for a 2016 Chevy Silverado? I’m having trouble finding them

@xiLiViiD 3 жыл бұрын

The issue with Toyota specifically on lifting the caster loss when you put a lift on. The upper control arms fix this issue, but also allow additional clearance for down travel. Now speaking directly to caster, it’s a measurement that doesn’t affect tire wear, but affects how the vehicle drives. The less caster you have, the more unstable the vehicle feels, while the more caster you have the more stable the vehicle feels. I’ve done several Toyota lifts that have had very low caster but still seemed to drive fine, while as my own 2000 4runner felt like it was unstable at speeds until I put control arms on. Honesty it’s very situationally based. Hopefully that sheds some light on why people recommend them.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

Great points... I get the caster issue... Although I think that one doesn't get talked about enough... like you said it can be situational... but also if you go with the stock UCA and you still have positive caster (I guess you could say buffer... enough of it) it definitely doesn't seem to cause too much of an issue. I feel like the down travel and issues with alignment seem to dominate the UCA conversation.

@xiLiViiD 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto They do dominate the conversation, but there’s also to much out there that’s misleading. The biggest effect is how it affects the vehicles handling. Negative caster is like riding a bike with the handle bars flipped around, unstable. The down travel part only really gives an inch of usable down travel. For newer Toyota’s 04 (04 4runners, 05 Tacoma’s) and up they changed the upper controls to have a control arm mounted ball joint instead of a knuckle mounted one, which takes away some of the issues with the knuckle hitting the coil on full down travel

@--RSL-- Жыл бұрын

Most of those installs will never see the offroad trails…. Streets only. 😂😅

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

Poor shocks… will never get to live up to their true potential 😢

@IndianaGeologist 3 жыл бұрын

Great information! Subbed.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching 🙏 - Hopefully it was helpful.

@ClimbAClassic 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing this, I probably wouldn’t cut the mount though - that might weaken the integrity

@citizenpark2782 3 жыл бұрын

Big fan... surprised you only have 15k subs. Don’t stop brotha man!!!

@waldoodlaw9359 3 жыл бұрын

Not sure why but all my ears could hear when I started watching this video was the number of times kit was said. So I counted. 36 kits in your video mostly in the beginning and then you started again at the end. Hope ARB fixes it for yeah!

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

Whoa 😳

@TheRedDeadTaco 3 жыл бұрын

Have this same problem with my Tacoma and the rear driver side bilstein 5160. Same leak in the same area.

@DanielRamirez-sx2ln 3 жыл бұрын

Question: You comment a lot saying this suspension provides a good ride, but can you compare that to the stock ride as a reference point? Is it better than stock on road? Obviously I would assume the ride off road is better. I know this is kind of a trick question since the suspension is tunable. But I personally would guess most of us accrue most of our mileage on asphalt and dirt roads where we want a soft ride.

@ShockSurplus 2 жыл бұрын

These shocks can be made to ride even softer than stock. What most people dont understand though is that with a super plush ride, you sacrifice handling in most cases. For instance, you can soften up the compression and rebound enough to eat up all the small bumps and ride really smooth, but then when it comes to highway joints or unexpected larger bumps on the highway, it could be dangerous as the vehicle doesn't have the proper damping to account for quick changes in terrain.

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

I’ll echo what @shocksurplus said… Tundras have a pretty bad nose dive issue with hard breaking and are a bit soft on fast hwy turns… The OME’s instantly improved my HWY handling… similar affect of adding a sway bar… but even more noticeable.

@louwgreeff4195 2 жыл бұрын

No question this is a design flaw, seems like a eazy fix, greatest question is will they replace it free of charge??? That will decide if i buy them or not. Following.

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

OME absolutely replaced them no charge, they are a solid company in that way. They have updated their installation instructions to account for this now, so it is possible at this point they may not replace for free if people ignore the very clear installation guide. OME actually reached out to me and thanked me for the video and sent me a copy of the updated instructions they made... pretty responsive company.

@louwgreeff4195 Жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto this is excellent feedback. Thanks for the update

@jasgap 3 жыл бұрын

The 51 in the name stands for 51mm of shock body or 2 inches, this is comparable to a fox 2.0 with remote reservoirs. IMO OME is priced more on the premium side, Dobinsons MMR, are 2.5 inches with reservoirs and the same adjustability. It is my understanding they bp51 are rebuildable, that would make a good DYI video.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah... but the Fox aren’t internal bypass, not quite as good of a ride as the BP-51... then again I haven’t heard a lot off issues with leaks 🤔... they are solid... OME is on to something with this design... they just need to work out the kinks... (I mean leaks)

@jasgap 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto take a look at Dobinsons MMR, I have a set in my 80 series LC

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

I have several friends that really like Dobs... now I just need a LC 😬

@dfox344 3 жыл бұрын

I have the 2013 FJ cruiser trail teams edition. I'm interested in adding 2 to 3 inch lift and 33 Inch tires. I will be adding heavy bumpers both front and back. And outfitting it for long range overland travels. I'm liking what I see in your video but I would also like any recommendations for my rig. Thank you for your time.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

The BP 51 setup (make sure to clip the mount) would actually be pretty solid... you would want to go with springs that match the amount of weight you plan to add... but there are a lot of good options... Have you checked out www.toyteclifts.com/ ?

@coryinmotion 3 жыл бұрын

Great info! Still can't wait to get this kit for my taco. Wonder if it has the same problem!

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

Please let me know... I bet on the Taco that lip doesn't come down as far and it isn't an issue... similar to the 4Runner. But I haven't run it on the Taco so it would be nice to know. I stand by the kit as far as ride quality... that internal bypass setup they engineered is awesome.

@HighjakSecondary 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto I have the BP51s on my 2020 Tacoma now. Having not heard of this issue until recently I immediately went out to inspect my rears and while I don't have any leaking or signs of impacts, the mount definitely sits very close to that reservoir knuckle. I'd say it sits even closer to the mount than your Tundra. In the long term, if driven the same way you have driven yours, I believe this will still likely be an issue on the Tacoma and not just with the BP51s, but with any suspension/shock running the same style design with remote reservoir.

@KingFillip 3 жыл бұрын

I think rear shocks with external reservoir are for show. unless you are racing. I find it wierd that 1ton trucks can tow 17,000lbs just fine with smooth rear shocks. But for this video, its obvious. These are not vehicle specific shocks and just a universal size. Or this would not be an issue. OME just cutting corners and letting the customers deal with it.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

Reservoirs are for dealing with heat, doesn’t really have anything to do with weight/towing... it’s about cycles. I am about to drive 50 miles of washboard at probably 50+ MPH... situations like this are where reservoirs make a difference... towing on a hwy... you really aren’t really using your suspension heavily.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

I’ll do the Idaho BDR once the snow melts... that’s 1100+ miles in dirt... reservoirs pay on this trips too... even if you don’t go super fast...

@KingFillip 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto Reservoir do help, but in your case. They failed. And a smoothie would still be working. You might have to do 40 mph instead of 50mph. People have completed desert races with smoothies for decades. Reservoirs are for the big guys. Heavy trucks, going fast. Over crazy Terrian.

@IamKemosabe 3 жыл бұрын

Do you think that the EXTRA LEAF (D28XL) Combined with the OMETUN57BP51 suspension Kit would make the rear Springs Heavy Duty enough to solve your weight problem you were talking about? And maybe also keep the valve from contacting the shock mount as easily?

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I think using a a good Add-a-leaf kit solves the weight issues if you carry a lot of gear... I do not think it will solve the shock issue... for the shock I really think you need to notch the mount... A friend just bought a new set of BP51's and set that the direction had been updated to include a call out about the shock mount spacing and potential need to notch it...

@ahmedalhashmi5673 3 жыл бұрын

Which upper control arm works better with this shocks ? 1 total chaos 2 Baja 3 cam burg

@ahmedalhashmi5673 3 жыл бұрын

For sand and dunes 💯 plus normal drive

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

All three of those are excellent… can’t really go wrong with those brands… I have Camburgs on my Long Travel Tundra.

@snazari1994 3 жыл бұрын

Where is @7:00 ?

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

That is the Owyhee Mountains

@SuperMassman 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent 👌😌

@timothyandrewnielsen 3 жыл бұрын

Good video

@Gunker02 3 жыл бұрын

i put a readylift 3/2 on my truck, can i still put this suspension kit on still?

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

You can but they would remove the ready lift... you don’t need both... this lift would get you a much better ride though.

@zip7806 Жыл бұрын

inst the Whole Point of Buying a Toyota, is You can beat it into the Ground Stock and It will Still Run.

@OutdoorAuto Жыл бұрын

The point of buying a Toyota is kinda whatever the actual buyers point is... but, if you are going to use a truck on terrain more complicated and extreme then a truck was designed for... I would recommend taking the base precautions to protect your investment...

@davidpainter6940 3 жыл бұрын

Looks like Idaho owyhee mountains canyons sweet rig man. I'll stick with the fox shocks and toytec preload lift kit though. That flaw would piss me off for the price. I live in meridian. That install is pretty easy Just got my trd pro army green 4runner .Gonna attempt it. Watch youtube. Lol

@jorgesanchex6164 3 жыл бұрын

Nice Trabant

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

I explain the background on that painting in my Tiny House Tour video.

@nickschrunk 2 жыл бұрын

Is the ICON preferred to OME?

@ShockSurplus 2 жыл бұрын

different strokes for different folks. The bp51 is way more adjustable for people that do more than just high speed offroad (icon). Icon dampens amazingly well in higher speed environments, but their shocks dont have the same adjustability as the BP51s, nor internal bypass.

@chucklesthefireguy5356 3 жыл бұрын

What rock sliders & why? where'd you buy & how much$? thanks. I need some!

@romokid64 3 жыл бұрын

What got you to go with Old Man Emu?

@RNicknackpaddywhack 3 жыл бұрын

Why a tundra? Isn’t this vehicle designed for towing, not over landing?

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

I needed a vehicle that could handle more weight/gear than a Tacoma & 4Runner. My Family Overlands but we also Whitewater raft and have to haul a decent amount of gear to take on both. I also like that the Tundra doesn't feel underpowered like the current Tacomas and 4Runners.

@trevorschroeder6745 3 жыл бұрын

There leafs have problems also I know to stay away but if u get a replacement then bend out bracket and do a few month review

@tylerwilkins3409 3 жыл бұрын

Great Video. If your are still doing the logo challenge, It showed up around 10:12.

@williamruhe1654 3 жыл бұрын

Tundra of course 😃😃😃

@abdulrahmanalmutairi7074 3 жыл бұрын

I'm having a similar issue on my landcruiser LC 78 troop carrier. If you have an email will send you pictures of the issue. Will probably go for another set of shocks in the future.

@NemesisDigitalMedia 3 жыл бұрын

thats a really bad design from OME, kinda disappointing to see.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

I really wonder if it really is just the aging of the bushing that causes it... obviously there are several easy fixes... but yeah... this is one of those issues that shows up after lots of miles and testing... and SEEMS to only be applicable to the Tundra... cray right? I was surprised for sure.

@onefastcyclist 3 жыл бұрын

I believe your right about trimming the bucket or adding a taller bushing and It's sad that isn't in the install instructions. Going straight to ARB's web-site: arbusa.com/toyota-tundra-2014-2018/old-man-emu-4x4-suspension/ they offer Heavy Duty springs for your truck as they do for mine. I went with their mid weight pack (550lbs) for the rear of my PRO4x which makes it ride one inch taller when unloaded - but level when it is! The OME springs and shocks improved the ride both on and off the road. I have OME on my jeep as well -they are guaranteed for 3 years - not the more usual 90 days for off-road springs and shocks.

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

Gary, thanks for the link... Hopefully they actually have stock... I keep finding everything is on backorder... but that is not an exclusive issue to ARB... everyone is struggling with that this year. I also am VERY impressed with ARB/OME's warranty... they are awesome... I still think this is a fantastic kit and probably has the best ride available in it class/price range... the work around is very easy so in a lot of ways I still would recommend it.

@onefastcyclist 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto Good luck getting the springs - you might run the part numbers past 4-wheel parts as they have multiple sources. If you have no reason to remove the front shocks, I'd recommend just cutting out a notch or triangle in the bucket just above the tube.

@soulsurfer8797 3 жыл бұрын

#KingOff-RoadShocks

@OutdoorAuto 3 жыл бұрын

King makes great stuff... They are back ordered around 6-7 months right now though... so tough to get.

@soulsurfer8797 3 жыл бұрын

@@OutdoorAuto unsure who told you that but you can Walk into DownSouth Motor Sports any day of the week and get what you need for any Toyota Truck. Check them out online and order direct since you do not live in the SoCal Area.