Old Nan is a Child of The Forest using a Glamor and Working With Bloodraven

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6 ай бұрын

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Todays episode covers the idea and all of the evidence I could find that Old Nan's story just makes more sense if you realize she is likely a child of the forest using a glamor to pretend to be an old woman. But the wild realizations don't end there. This has implications for the winds of winter as well as the house of the dragon season two. Both could contain a heavy role for Old Nan.
The Old Nan master plan AKA Nettle Nan theory

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@MilesMetal 4 ай бұрын

Someone posted this comment under an InDeepGeek video about Old Nan. In GoT Bran 4 (Chapter 24), “It was just a lie, he said bitterly, remembering the crow from his dream. “I can’t fly. I can’t even run.” “Crows are all liars,” Old Nan agreed, from the chair where she sat doing her needlework. “I know a story about a crow.” Bran didn’t say anything about a crow. How did she know?

@f.calamo6658 3 ай бұрын

I remember someone saying she was woman that was blood raven lover in his time before becoming rooted or something like that, it had a very interesting explanation about it but I forgotten already.

@steffurness 2 ай бұрын

@@f.calamo6658 It explains her opinion about crows, but not necessarily why she would bring that up in response to what Bran said. Old people can often get stuck in physical routines while their minds (and what they say) can seem more chaotic (or out of left field) because their stream of consciousness has *so much* to pull from that may have little to do with the moment at hand. She's there to tell stories, and keep the kids entertained, and whatever else 'retired' wet nurses would do, so maybe it was just a stream of conscious comment coming from Bran mentioning "a lie" and flying and it reminded her of her known story, or maybe Bran was talking in his sleep....or maybe it's her special green magic. =)

@Yokar_mova1212 2 ай бұрын

D A M N

@raitanxp 2 ай бұрын

I'm looking for this indeepgeek video but can't find it. Can you tell me the video's title? tnks!

@jabe6078 Ай бұрын

I was listening to this part recently and thought her response was very odd

@everythinggamingnow 5 ай бұрын

man, if i ever meet george, i just wanna say "old nan right....her legs are sore, her heart is weary, and she's heading home....right?" I could imagine him just winking and walking off

@thehermitman822 6 ай бұрын

It's fun to think GRRM described what a wolf would see and people would obviously see it as how a wolf would interpret the situation when it's actually a blatant description of what's in front of it.

@sblinder1978 6 ай бұрын

This explains Nan's catchphrase: "Fingers three, leave me be. Fingers four, hold the door"

@i-am-mercurial Ай бұрын

😂

@conniesuper9892 6 ай бұрын

Bran:I don't like your stories OLD Nan: my little lord,not MY stories..the stories. The stories are . They're older than me,and even older than YOU...

@thisguy8106 6 ай бұрын

If Nan couldn't walk up stairs, there is no way she would've survived a forced march to the Dreadfort. And had she lagged, some guard would've killed her. Exactly like we see on Arya's forced march to Harrenhall. So I'm inclined to believe Old Nan was Leaf as well.

@michaeltalksaboutstuff 6 ай бұрын

I also mentioned it in a tangent that got cut for time but Pycelle pretended to be stooped and weak but could stand up in a deleted scene. This could on some level mirror Leaf pretending to be a weak Old Nan when she is clearly more capable than she lets on.

@thisguy8106 6 ай бұрын

@@michaeltalksaboutstuffit's such a great disguise in that world.. Even Pycelle. Besides cowardice, the thing that will get you overlooked in that world is "appearing weak and fragile". It's why LittleFinger is overlooked. The Clubfoot, etc.. There are so many examples in the current story and the histories of "weak" appearing characters turning out to be much *much* more than they appeared to be.

@semaera 6 ай бұрын

Finally, someone answered the question about what summer saw. This is my new favorite video ever! That has been nagging me ever since I read it, and no one’s explanation made sense.

@daemonthorn5888 6 ай бұрын

Why do you need someone else's explanation,or interpretation,though? And why are you just blindly accepting his interpretation? He's just another fan,like yourself. He's not the author. He could be correct. But he could be wrong as well.

@semaera 6 ай бұрын

@@daemonthorn5888 i’m not sure why you decided I’m “blindly accepting” something. Do you know anything about me? This is something I’ve been thinking about and reading about for years. I agree there are few if any “right answers“. If you’ve read any of this authors works, you know that he creates ambiguous endings all the time. There are always multiple explanations. On this question, no one’s made more sense than this one. I’m not blindly following anything, I’m listening to everybody’s analysis, and this one makes the most sense to me and is the most interesting. It also connects best with the themes of the novels. What I like about this series is, there are multiple explanations. What I don’t like about this series, is people jumping on social media and making personal attacks because they don’t like somebody’s take.

@christianbaker3564 6 ай бұрын

@@daemonthorn5888I bet you're a hoot at parties.

@raph3699 5 ай бұрын

I always thought it was a misinterpretation of a combination of the burning building and smoke, as summers viewpoint often is a misinterpretation of human things so I shrugged it of. However this could be an explanation, even though I have some troubles with lead riding dragons.

@vaibhavgaur5268 5 ай бұрын

@@daemonthorn5888Why are so many so many banal assumptions lol

@emilyk5168 6 ай бұрын

I like the idea Old Nan is using a glamour. The knitting needles is an interesting thought. I don't think Nan is Leaf though. Leaf says she wandered whereas Nan seems to have stayed rooted (no pun intended) in Winterfell. I also asked GRRM about what happened to Old Nan at a signing for ADWD. I wish I could remember exactly what he said. At first he thought I was asking about the actress on the show who had died. But I was asking about the character and her fate after the sack of Winterfell. He said she's at the Dreadfort with the other Winterfell hostages. Again, I could be misstating this or he could change his mind (or he could have lied if he thought it was a spoiler for the book I was holding in my hand that I had not finished at that point?). I mostly remember worrying what Ramsay might do to her.

@michaeltalksaboutstuff 6 ай бұрын

He has said in other interviews when asked that the female captives from Winterfell are at the Dreadfort. I think a character even thinks of it in book worrying about her there, but that is absolutely what he would say until the reveal IMO. He is barely lying to say she is there if that is what he has a character directly think and establishes that all the women from Winterfell are there. IMO with what he has said and set up he can turn around and say gotcha and it would work. In terms of Nan staying rooted she has for decades but leaf said 200 years. That is a lot longer than she was Nan. She probably has time to be like 5 people or more before Nan tbh

@kennyhudson9201 2 ай бұрын

@@michaeltalksaboutstuff Is anything significant? Does anything matter is you set up a story so that you can turn around anything you do? How can foreshadowing and symbolism mean anything if it's set up to never be concrete or definitive? Not trying to troll or be mean, but trying to understand why it's cool to write with no real purpose, where anything written can be turned to mean something else. Basically everything we have read so far may not matter and could just be countered and rendered moot, with the turn of a page. I don't think thousands of pages should be able to be ignored, with the writing of a chapter that changes it all to nothing.

@ChrisVaust Ай бұрын

@@michaeltalksaboutstuff Saying that GRRM would lie about this just seems like cope tbh, I have a zillion examples of him saying "keep reading" or similar in response to fan questions, do you have any confirmed examples of him flat out lying about the facts of the story? The evidence is that he would be overwhelmingly likely to do the former and not the latter. Leaf says not only that she walked for 200 years but that she turned for home "because my feet were sore" else "I might be walking still". This is not compatible with going to Winterfell (clearly still the world of men and not "home") and sitting still for decades in between the walking and the going home.

@conniesuper9892 6 ай бұрын

With a glamour,people see what they expect to see~Melissandre

@swayback7375 6 ай бұрын

I love the theory! That dragon that summer sees has bugged me all along and it seemed very unlikely to be a throwaway line or an aborted plot thread. I can’t think of another theory that explains it at all except tge egg hatched under winter abd has been eating corpses and like rats in the lower crypts… it solves the mystery of old nan, explains why the focus on nettles and why she can ride… it also helps explain why the only children we see bran deal with is leaf… as well all that other stuff. It’s a pretty keen theory, first I’ve watched you, I think I’ll sub

@ArielEveMachado 6 ай бұрын

I never really liked the idea that Nettles was a child of the forest but the way you lay it all out makes so much sense. And this is the first explanation for the dragon that Summers saw that I agree with. Love your videos! They always get my mind spinning in the best way

@rhaenyratargaryen1stofhern55 6 ай бұрын

I cannot wait to see Nettles and Sheepstealer. ✨

@manofhealing 6 ай бұрын

I think Nettle Nan makes perfect sense, because I think a lot of phrases that are thrown around and Stark customs come from children of the forest involvement, and possibly because of their bloodline being particularly prone to warging. Out of all of the Stark children, all of them can warg to some degree, that's pretty impressive and doesn't seem to be the norm everywhere else or even with any other family that we know of, so it makes sense that the Children would want to form a close relationship with the family that is the most likely to provide them with greenseers. Then when they are told a Bran Stark child will be the next greenseer, it would only make sense that they would want to be involved and help prepare him as early on as possible, so the Nan part of Nettle Nan checks out. For the Nettles part, I have a few thoughts as to why this could work, and why it wouldn't even be coming out of left field. So we know dragon riding involves some kind of magic, intentional or not at this point, the Dragons only hatched through blood magic, binding the dragons in the first place seems to be some blood magic (not confirmed, but hinted at in HotD), the fact that not just anyone can even ride dragons implies there is something special about it that the average person can't do. So how could Nettles bond with Sheepstealer and why her? Given her description she isn't related to the targaryens at all, right? Well, in a story where a big plot twist is certain people being secret Targaryens, you would think the idea of "this Targaryen is secretly still alive somewhere" wouldn't be used too much. And yet, our current greenseer, the Bloodraven, a very important figure in this story, is a Targaryen. I think this was deliberate to set up Jon Snow in a way, by showing us that Targaryen magic and what I'll call "Ice Magic", warging, greenseeing, the magic the Others use, etc, are not opposites. They're not fire and ice, because the fire Targaryens can use ice magic in the form of Bloodraven. So if they're not opposite sources of magic, which I dont think they could be, because that would mean The Great Other and R'hllor are both real, and GRRM has said that gods dont really exist in this universe, then that means the source of magic is the same for both. This means Leaf, a magical creature, could easily be able to ride a dragon, another magical creature, and this sets up perfectly Bran and Jon Snow as dragon riders.

@NotHere07 6 ай бұрын

Bloodraven have first men blood. He's not just a Targaryen, he's also a Blackwood. That's why he can use both ice and fire magic you mentioned. But i think Nettles claiming Sheepstealer doesn't really need a magical explanation. Its just what it is, its like a dog can choose whos a friend and an enemy. Targaryens have blood magic with dragons but its not binding. They can claim dragons but dragons can also kill Targaryens who dont want to be claimed.

@weslooos 6 ай бұрын

it kinda makes sence.. and since GOTR is medieval tmes ish... its not weird for peoiple to lose a finger or two over the years. Espesialy for winterfell and the cold. Artritis and just frostbite would be a good cover for this.

@vlaSINda 6 ай бұрын

I've read the theory that the dragon Summer saw was a newly hatched one that was meant to be for Jon Snow (given to him as a baby by Raegar). But I don't think a newborn would be able to fly so swiftly and breathe that much fire. Your theory is honestly much more believable.

@wknight8111 6 ай бұрын

One of the bigger mysteries of the series, in my mind, is how exactly a man who would have been over 100 years old went from being a major player in King's Landing to being an emaciated talking corpse who was plugged into the roots of a magical tree far north of the wall, and had foresight about the war between the living and dead. Or how he identified Bran as a successor. Or the whereabouts of his sword Dark Sister. The books haven't answered any of that (yet) and the show didn't even offer a modest explanation. Even knowing that he was in the Night's Watch for a time still doesn't offer even a shadow of an explanation for how he ended up there and why. This theory, as rough as some of the edges may be, does help bridge that gap a little and I'm glad for it.

@michaeltalksaboutstuff 6 ай бұрын

Agreed, I think the Nettle Nan/Leaf meeting Bloodraven while she was out walking is actually just the most likely way he was recruited now that I have thought about it while covering this. I think it does certainly fill a bit of a gap and opens up a lot of potential for further looking for clues.

@allysoncipollone890 6 ай бұрын

"Padded over dry needles and brown leaves" I feel like it is so close to Nettle and leaf.

@thekrakensdaughter 6 ай бұрын

@@michaeltalksaboutstuffdo you think ghost of high heart = daughter of bloodraven and leaf?

@michaeltalksaboutstuff 6 ай бұрын

I could see it I suppose but she could also just be any other COTF. I wouldn't rule it out but I wouldn't expect those two to have a daughter unless we find some hint of it. But I currently don't have a lead for her identity to recruit bloodraven that is well thought out. If whoever she turns out to be is a love interest at some point or then it gets more likely

@PainfullySubjective 3 ай бұрын

do you understand motive, opportunity and means? or do you need the author to spoon feed you every step the character took?! smh

@evanbelisle8464 Ай бұрын

“Old nan was called old nan since Ned was a kid” people forget Ned in the books is only in his mid 30s. Old nan could’ve been called old nan back then.

@DrBusiness9 Ай бұрын

Idk maybe, it more implies she’s looked like the SAME for 30 odd years, which does sorta happen sometimes but super rare.

@tomasvrabec1845 Ай бұрын

not really. Ricard was born in 240. She was a wet nurse for his older brother meaning she could have easily been at winter fell since 230. To be a wet nurse she would have to be around 20, making her humanly possibly born around 210. - or in her 90s during Brans Stories and 60s during Edward's childhood. 60s for a medieval society, especially small folk, if Old. Not to mention that Blood Raven went to the wall in 230s. So her move more north would somewhat make sense if he became the Raven around that time.

@adventuresofamadman9992 6 ай бұрын

Someone needs to get David lightbringer to watch this. I love this theory

@MichaelFMeyer-lz5fv 6 ай бұрын

He padded over dry NEEDLES and brown LEAVES...before he saw the Dragon

@EricRodriguez248 6 ай бұрын

Okay...so, I've been following your stuff for a little while now. And ALL OF IT is good. Super insightful. However...I saw this title and I was like, "Ooooookay, this is a hard sell." Nope. Fully convinced. I'm on board. Sign me up for the "Old man is actually a 200+ year old dragon rider" club. I'm here for it. A+ stuff, man. Well done.

@MichaelFMeyer-lz5fv 6 ай бұрын

same here^^ i start the clip now....

@joshuabryant9845 3 ай бұрын

Yeah i saw the title and was like hold up. I'll give it a shot. I love an interesting theory.

@Since-80s 2 ай бұрын

exactly same, im halfway thru the video alreaady convinced

@umwha 6 ай бұрын

Aryas Face skin glamour made it look like she had different teeth, and Mance glamour that changed his teeth. Therefore glamours could create a finger

@Mr.Owl777 6 ай бұрын

I'd like to think Nettles was pregnant with Damon's child, and there are half children of the forest half Targaryan offspring out there.

@potatostarch9363 Күн бұрын

in line with the missandei is a half CoF half human theory, WHAT IF SHE IS DAEMON AND NETTLES NAN CHILD OR GRANDCHILD 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

@hopemagare462 5 ай бұрын

sheepstealer could still be alive! Balerion the black dread came from Valyria and lived until 92 A.C., so he lived at least 200 years

@AlexLopez-vm7uq 2 ай бұрын

208

@staytuned2L337 5 ай бұрын

13:59 Master Cressen fell down stairs on his own, and had a permanent hip injury. Just as some more evidence of old folk not doing well around stone stairs 😅

@Sunspear7 6 ай бұрын

This theory can compliment the Frey girl one, if the original Old Nan was the Frey girl it would explain why this Nan knows so much about Northern folklore.

@AnarchoCatBoyEthan 6 ай бұрын

God I hope we do eventually get some kind of closure on the dragon over winterfell. It’s so interesting to me, and i definitely like this theory as an explanation for it. Great video, thanks for all your hard work! I enjoy your channel so much and you’re a big part of helping to keep my love for the series going. Before i found your stuff i kind of thought it seen most of the likely explanations and it was basically mined dry, but your creativity is really inspiring.

@abichilli6090 4 ай бұрын

Love this video - I’d never really given old nan this much thought! Although I was knitting while watching this video and noticed I don’t really use my pinky fingers either… if the theory is correct what a brilliant and thoughtful detail!

@thediabeterskeeter2340 6 ай бұрын

In Old English “the pronoun nan” literally means “no one” which is interesting if you believe in the connection between the Children and the Faceless Men. *funny note * An example of nan on Wiki is “nan Mann” which translates to “no person” hahaha idk it was just a funny coincidence to read while listening to this theory.

@void.lawyer 6 ай бұрын

I totally agree with this. Every single line in a story is used to further the narrative in one way or another. Nothing is ever wasted. When we are told something, no matter how insignificant it seems in the moment, there is a reason behind it. Chekov's gun or yea you get it. And on the nettles is nan is leaf thing. Nettles are a plant. Leaf, plants. There is also a pomegranate bush variety called Nana. Idk if that tracks but it's there.

@stefaniebraun3319 6 ай бұрын

Nana in a plant name means very small and is part of many different plant names. For example there is betula nana, the dwarf or polar birch.

@tiabeaniesemotionalsupportdmon 3 ай бұрын

Nana also means ‘spring’ or ‘spring greens’ in Japanese.

@kennyhudson9201 2 ай бұрын

This can't be true, because GRRM is a gardener, meaning anything can be changed on his whim, which means nothing written so far is definitive, which means it doesn't actually matter yet, until GRRM is done and decides to make the ambiguous, unambiguous.

@gavindonohue313 Ай бұрын

Wow how have I never heard this theory before! I just found your page and have found 3 plausible theories I’ve not heard elsewhere. Keep it up!

@BaalFridge Ай бұрын

Old Nan is the most reliable narrator in Asoiaf, and that really says a lot about the setting 😂

@l.mcmanus3983 6 ай бұрын

This is so cool. I love this so much and think that it makes a ton of sense. I have always wondered how old Nan knew so many creepy old stories. The dragon in the vision finally makes sense. Any thoughts on Hodor being one of the main people who ends up caring for Bran as he and Rickon escape being killed and then travel after? It was destined to happen on one hand, but it is also as though he is carrying on stewardship of Bran.

@michaeltalksaboutstuff 6 ай бұрын

If you are asking once Hodor dies how does Bran get around? I could see flying home on sheepstealer and then having a team to carry him around once home but I have no super strong thoughts at the moment. A dragon certainly does seem helpful compared to a sled to get him home without being caught.

@saminator3563 6 ай бұрын

I love this. Thank you sir, been needing a new youtuber with new ideas

@aaronbaron3155 2 ай бұрын

This is the best Nan theory ive seen.

@tiabeaniesemotionalsupportdmon 3 ай бұрын

So check this out. I did some research for name meanings for Nettles, Leaf, and Nan. While we already know that Nettles and Leaf have plant based meanings, Nan means ‘balanced, grace, and favor’ in Olde English… HOWEVER, the most popular other form of Nan is Nana, and this happens to mean ‘spring’, or ‘spring greens’ in Japanese. There is also a plant (Anubius) called Petite Nana. Just thought that was interesting.

@ajourney50 6 ай бұрын

Ah yes, Old Nan. Maybe we could find out who she may be, if GRRM would finish the damn books. I've stopped watching or reading any of his new stuff, until he finishes this series. I like your channel.

@valerieellison2483 5 ай бұрын

Being an old woman is a good cover for someone with 3 fingers. Older people tend to have deformed arthritic fingers, so disguising your hands as being claw-like would prevent people from asking questions.

@markomarjanovic7643 6 ай бұрын

Old Nan gets the best taxis

@kewl0210 6 ай бұрын

I love it. It's super werid but it COULD happen. I can't wait to see where Nettlenan hid Sheepstealer.

@Buford_T_Justice1 6 ай бұрын

Dang dude. You converted me into an Old NanStan.

@JamesCourse66 2 ай бұрын

I can’t believe I just found this channel. I thought I knew almost all the theories but here I am listening to a credible theory the Old Nan is a Child of the Forest!

@1275spiderman 5 ай бұрын

Bro.... You just poked holes in all my theories that Bloodraven was behind just about everything 😂. You are truly my Ser a breath of fresh air for the community

@YarPirates-vy7iv 6 ай бұрын

Leaf + Nan + Nettles = Leaf And Nettles. Say it out loud!

@jolinefields3460 6 ай бұрын

Awesome 🎉 I’ve not heard the Nettle-Nan story so we’ll laid out and was genuinely excited about also furious about the “why didn’t it happen “ questions 😅 this is simple but a frequent question for why didn’t Leaf reveal herself to Bran after paste* when he began lessons? In the same vein why didn’t Sheepsteeler if Bran and co. could catch a lift out of imminent danger especially now that Bran is real and that was at least a blood relative if not her own blood in Hodor?(no need for hold the door if Sheepsteeler is currently in long term parking lol? Wow yeah it’s great 😻 I love it

@solutanbrun 6 ай бұрын

Amazing theory! If I may continue on your line of thinking, one could argue that sheepstealer has been living at winterfell all this time. How? Well, sheepstealer might be quite content with having nettles feeding him after 100s of years together. Just a lazy old dragon lying around in a warm cave somewhere, occasionally fed by nettles. Sleeping and staying out of the business of the world. But where? Why not the crypts? The older (deeper and warmer) sections have collapsed and cannot be accessed anymore. But what if they were intentionally collapsed to hide something on the inside?

@michaeltalksaboutstuff 6 ай бұрын

There was another comment on the crypts video that also made a lot of good points about the idea of a dragon breaking out from Winterfell and TBH I am more open to the idea than ever that Sheepstealer did in fact dig himself a lil dragon pit under Winterfell... Probably with an exit from a tower that is burned from the inside out with suspicious amounts of force. (all details listed in a comment on my winterfell Crypts vids if you are curious) I do have a bit of an issue with him being the heat source for the walls however because IMO that needs to be older for how it was built to be forgotten. It wasn't mentioned to have been installed within the last couple hundred years. So dragon under Winterfell as not the heat source seems very plausible to me. As the heat source I see more issues.

@cthulhuspawn6290 6 ай бұрын

Wasn't there supposed to be a dragon under winterfell? Could it have been in a magical hibernation type thing?

@cultoay0utube 6 ай бұрын

I think you're crazy, but I won't deny it was fun. Cheers 🍻

@alexmoes3225 2 ай бұрын

Great. I've never found the idea that everything is a giant plot by Bloodraven satisfying. Old Nan having a grand plan and being in cahoots with old Bran sounds much more appealing.

@renegonzalez6058 2 ай бұрын

bro u keep blowing my mind with your theories... I always start like "naaaaah, he's gone too far this time..." and halfway through the vid I'm like "never has truth been more obviously truthful!!" hahahaha... this one just pushed me over the edge to, this is one of my favourite asoiaf channels on youtube ever!!

@joedavola9467 6 ай бұрын

I said/was thinking this same thing on your last uploaded video (that nan, nettles, ghost of highheart, etc...) are glamored children of the forest. Dude your videos are the best (up there with LmL even better and more informative in some aspects). Keep it up bro!

@Sunspear7 6 ай бұрын

I thought that dragon was a descendant of Vermithor's who made a lair around the hot spring and ate those dog-sized rats from the crypts but yours is much cooler

@tacocat6035 3 ай бұрын

I hadn't heard any of this before. George is a f-ing genuis.

@phnompenhandy 6 ай бұрын

Woah, this is an astonishing theory - completely plausible. I really want it to be true!

@Kathy-ub8ur 6 ай бұрын

This is completely brilliant. Thank you!!!!!

@DigitalAlmond Ай бұрын

One minor add to the last bit of your video: knitting in a cold place such as Winterfell would suck. It’s a pretty dexterous activity and you can’t really knit with gloves on, leaving your hands pretty exposed to cold ambient air. However you could wrap your pinky and ring finger while leaving your other fingers exposed since (in continental knitting anyway) those fingers just support the needles. Honestly it’s a pretty sick way to hide that you don’t have five fingers while implying you have five fingers.

@sirpepeofhousekek6741 4 ай бұрын

13:31 I love this picture

@judithbradford9130 6 ай бұрын

Leaf could easily have been the "ghost of High Heart" but not every old woman is a child of the forest. Aemon Targaryen would have been Nan's contemporary, and he's still knocking 'round Castle Black without having to be somehow a different species! If she's known to have had human CHILDREN and grandchildren, it's not likely she is somehow also Leaf.

@PerfectSense77 4 ай бұрын

Old Nan may have been a real person at one point and then when she died, Leaf stole her identity. Like how Mance stole Rattleshirt’s identity after his death. Also, it’s suggested in the books that Aemon’s long life is not entirely natural either, and that the magic of the Wall somehow preserved him. He dies soon after leaving the wall which backs this up.

@RISpaceCase 4 ай бұрын

You only need three fingers on either hand to hold knitting or crochet needles. lol The others are probably tucked away because it's cold or they have the yarn looped over them for tension.

@thisguy8106 6 ай бұрын

Nettle Nan 😂😂😂 I love it.

@thisguy8106 6 ай бұрын

Also. 😅😅 your captions on each photo is just as good as the info itself. "Last boy who said he hated my stories I fed to fkn SheepStealer.." 💀 💀

@sardonically-inclined7645 6 ай бұрын

The only reason I didn't go to Old Nan was because of her known family, but that itch was still there.

@loooongneck 6 ай бұрын

Maybe old nan was a real woman for a while, but at some point got kidnapped and had a CotF slip into her life. Kind of like how synths from fallout will insert themselves into the population

@thisguy8106 6 ай бұрын

Hey babe... Michael Is Talking About Stuff again!!

@ksanchez8095 6 ай бұрын

Yayyyyy I made it to the video!! Gotta say I would've never thought of old nan. Your channed has opened my eyes to so many misteries of westeros. I've enjoyed it very much!

@laurenm3148 6 ай бұрын

Well done. One of the best GoT analysis videos I've seen!

@conniesuper9892 6 ай бұрын

Maybe there's a reason Nettles and Daemon got on so well...maybe she advised him about the Isle of Faces to go to and learn to hone his magics and leave Westeros glamoured if he survived...

@michaeltalksaboutstuff 6 ай бұрын

It is also so early in her walking the world of men in theory I wonder if we see some language lessons with those two. He speaks two languages, and I am sure would swap lessons for magic knowledge and stuff about the true tongue.

@conniesuper9892 6 ай бұрын

@@michaeltalksaboutstuff and Bloodraven was also another well placed Targaryen who was assumed lost,like Daemon...

@strangerdanger9395 2 ай бұрын

The way I have been sitting at the edge of my bed, air knitting and thinking SO hard. Love the theory and it can still be true, but the way I hold my needles could absolutely look like this.

@fabianbinder3681 2 ай бұрын

What I like about this theory, especially the „nan“ part it, is that it’s pretty easy to implement in the story. It wouldn’t need ten chapters worth of pages to explain it to the „casual“ reader. I really don’t think that a dragon would be willing/able to fly north of the wall, though. That being said, this is still the best explanation of the Winterfell dragon that I know.

@modmary3527 6 ай бұрын

I thought old Nan messed around with Dunk, and Both Hodor and Brienne are descendants

@michaeltalksaboutstuff 6 ай бұрын

I think that is certainly possible and her being a COTF doesn't conflict with that at all and in my opinion I think that it might even help. Also if she was from way north he could both be a descendant of Dunk and have actual Giant's Blood from way back on his Old Nan side. Double big boy blood in Hodor, and a wilding from north of the wall thinks he has giant's blood

@eziowayne 6 ай бұрын

Great video! You’ve got a new sub and I can’t wait for more!

@zokisan9554 Ай бұрын

"i know what dragons smell like." 😹💜

@kidgforce1 6 ай бұрын

One COTF wandering the world of humans would be a weak strategy. One COTF only could easily be killed, like Cersei threatened Maggie the Frog. Must be more on their way.

@sleepyj8848 6 ай бұрын

Nettle Nan! I love it!

@Daftlodge 6 ай бұрын

And then Jon blows one of the horns (take your pick) and summons sheep stealer, saving Bran from the wall and giving Jon a lost dragon that was hiding in Winterfell. Insert analysis of Jon herding the wildlings like sheep etc. F*ck it, Bran can bring Darksister with him to give to Jon, as a little treat.

@WillowBlackfyre 6 ай бұрын

This is an awesome theory! I always wondered about old Nan and the dragon in winterfell (while there aren't supposed to be any in westeros) My only issue is dragons cant fly over the wall. Maybe with the help of bloodraven and/or other children of the forrest they can. Does make alot of sense though.

@michaeltalksaboutstuff 6 ай бұрын

I may or may not have been so curious about this I ended up making a whole video getting to the bottom of can dragons go over the wall and why or why not haha

@Sporking 5 ай бұрын

Dig your theory. We talk asoiaf every Monday's and I love new theories. We have talked about her being of CoF decent.

@StormTalara 5 ай бұрын

Actually this all makes so much sense. It accounts for the dragon supposedly being deep in the crypts of winterfell too. And might account for why GRRM is getting the dance of dragons series done before finishing ASOIAF to try and seed some more back story to help make the ending of ASOIAF make more sense. 🧐

@AnarchoCatBoyEthan 6 ай бұрын

sick! I was waiting for this one.

@mayorofcoolsville1102 2 ай бұрын

@5:16 You could argue that "The Bran Boy" is actually Hot Pie, as Bran is a hard shell grain that is used in baking, and Hot Pie exclusively makes pastries and other dishes with grain in them, I would therefore argue that The Three Eyed Crow had been given some prophecy of "A Bran Boy' being important, but mistakenly chooses Bran and not Hot Pie as his student, and that by the end of the series Hot Pie will end up killing Bran and The Three Eyed Crow, taking the power of the Weirwoods himself.

@Nerdixy Ай бұрын

I’m currently addicted to your videos mate, I keep commenting for the algorithm 🤞🏻 Absolutely amazing content again, I definitely think nettles is leaf, I always have, and you’ve almost got me convinced with this old nan stuff, I could imagine leaf/nettles/old nan as a prologue/epilogue chapter

@Vmac1394 6 ай бұрын

Old Nan is Hodor's great grandmother, so those diminutive genes must get weeded out in a couple generations at max if Old Nan is really a 3 foot tall forest creature.

@TheHellyeahmen 2 ай бұрын

George actually said in an interview that one of the characters he would like to write a whole novel about is Nettles

@1275spiderman 5 ай бұрын

Mind completely Blown 🤯

@DD-ok2pt 6 ай бұрын

I call the first book, "A Game of Thrones" by GRRM, is really the "Book of Answers". Every answer that had not been asked yet is in that book.

@naswiipp 2 ай бұрын

When i read the title i thought "wtf.... How did what I've been thinking for the past 15 years make it into a video? "

@Sam_Kings 5 ай бұрын

This was pretty inspired as far as asoiaf theories go. I didn't think I would be convinced and yet, here I am a proud nettle nan believer.

@lamprdo 3 ай бұрын

Listening to this there seems to be a bunch of parallels between Bran and the Wierwoods, and Erin Jaeger and the Paths from Attack on Titan. Both are linked to these trees, with their roots running throughout time; able to influence things in their own pasts, once they are fully connected.

@michaeltalksaboutstuff 3 ай бұрын

Yeah I haven't seen Attack on Titan but Random Internet Guy put out a video recently about how similar the stories are in a lot of ways. Not sure if he is going to go deeper into the connections at some point but they do seem to line up really well

@pdderek 6 ай бұрын

Meera says "you speak the common tongue now" "For him. The bran boy." I think it just means she speaks the tongue for bran. Not that she walked the earth for him. But who knows😅

@michaeltalksaboutstuff 6 ай бұрын

I would say the learning the language is required for the walking listening and learning so I think the motivation for all of them is all related. That darn Bran boy

@chad63 Ай бұрын

old nan is a dragon rider alright, the old dragon from the wall XD

@magda_plays Ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@KonguZya 3 ай бұрын

Damn, this is the *one* theory I've heard so far that adequately explains the dragon at Winterfell.

@anamariecameron7874 5 ай бұрын

we need to have a tv series about old Nan

@Varatil 6 ай бұрын

Damn this is some of the best writing on the nan-cotf connection I've ever heard. I'm only 20 minutes in, but couldn't resist hopping in to say: IT'S ALL TIME TRAVELING ARYA! Nettles, Nan, and Leaf are *all* Arya coded. Arya's used Nan as a false identity. She's cared for Bran going back to the crypt prank. She's skinny and brown and needlesome, I mean nettlesome. Leaf reminds Bran of Arya on sight. Time is like a river for most men, but the greenseers move in all directions on the green sea. (Shoutout LML + Ravenous Reader) That whole "what's west of Westeros" bit from GOT was alluding to Arya's endgame of timetravel shenanigans. And that's before I get into Varys > Bloodraven, which is suuuuper relevant here

@thekrakensdaughter 6 ай бұрын

how does the west of westeros ties into time travel?

@Varatil 6 ай бұрын

@thekrakensdaughter So you have to go real hard on "time is like water" imagery. The geography isn't important, just that Arya is exploring the "sea" as her endgame. Blodraven has that whole "most men experience time as a river, flowing one direction. But not greenseers." Coupled with Tyrion's boat getting timetraveled, which makes Haldon exclaim, "rivers only go one way!" There's an important cryptic pun: GreenSeers traverse the Green Sea. I.e. Weirwood magic allows free motion across time

@lucaschapel7197 5 ай бұрын

I thought this was going to be the first of Michael's videos that I disagreed with. This was actually the first thumbnail I saw of Michael's and I didn't watch the channel for weeks because I thought this was such a silly idea. Then worked my way through all of his videos so far and I have to say, I'm extremely impressed! Everything about the weirwood net, glass candles, stolen babies, weirwood pumps, is all absolutely spot on. Upon actually watching this, I have to admit.... You've sold it to me! Old Nettle Nan is real!

@michaeltalksaboutstuff 5 ай бұрын

This is one of my favorite comments haha, I did know this one would be a tough sell and that a lot of people would have that initial reaction and I am glad I was able to make the case strong enough

@Jacob-fz5ho 5 ай бұрын

dragons can't go over the wall though, that's a serious problem with sheepstealer going back and forth. Maybe she's found a workaround by flying out to sea and around the edge?

@Kathy-ub8ur 6 ай бұрын

Have to go to bed but will continue AM. Brilliant!!!!

@jacksonfurlong3757 6 ай бұрын

Damn, all those details on old nan in the show to never pay it off...

@nataliet4293 Ай бұрын

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i came from your elden ring cross over video and I'm screaming every time you say her three fingers. There's even a little blind old woman finger reader

@f.calamo6658 3 ай бұрын

They could easily say old nan lost the little fingers from frostbite and no one would question ever.

@elpsykongroo8308 6 ай бұрын

Great video...I like the idea of old Nan being a Child of the forest (cotf). Though I'm not sure about her being Nettles or a Dragon rider. Could Nettles be a Cotf? Maybe, although I think it's often a fallacy to club similar characters as the same person. Also, I don't think we will be getting a person connected to old god magic riding a dragon before Jon, imo that's what is going to make him special. Lastly, I don't think we are going to get any dragon from the dance of dragons to come back in the main series. It's one thing to have a really old tree wizard stuck in a cave actually be a very prominent mysterious character from the past. It's completely different to do that with a dragon. That would be very deus ex machina. From a story telling perspective, the current generation has to overcome things on their own, they doesn't get secret fully grown dragons from the Past, they only get knowledgeable old mentors who can teach them how to fight.

@RussellB 6 ай бұрын

damn you for getting me excited again for the books to be finished

@MrIcingdeath22 6 ай бұрын

This was fantastic

@jarvoH2O 6 ай бұрын

The hole in this is that dragons can’t fly beyond the wall via contextual evidence from Queen Alysanne’s visit to the wall. There’s no way Sheep Stealer has been north of the wall or flew Nan north of the wall based on that.

@michaeltalksaboutstuff 6 ай бұрын

I almost mentioned this in the video but I think Sheepstealer would have to just go all the way around it. The weirwood wall would absolutely stop him from flying over. As far as I know, we have no reason to think he couldn't fly over he ocean on either side of it. Surely that magic must end at some point. So it's possible but just a bit longer journey. Hearting this to the top because it is a good question that I am sure a lot of people will raise.

@pankratos5017 6 ай бұрын

One dragon refused to go passed the Wall on three attempts, for unknown reasons. This is not conclusive proof that no dragon could ever fly beyond the Wall.

@abelbabel8484 6 ай бұрын

The easiest heading to navigate a flight from Winterfell to Blodraven's cave would be dead north from Winterfell, then west from the Frostfangs. That route bypasses the Wall east by many many miles. Alysanne's example suggests dragons can't go directly over the wall, but says nothing about going around it with a good distance.