Old Norse | Can Norwegian, Danish and Icelandic speakers understand it?

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Old Norse - the Viking language | Can speakers of modern Norwegian, Danish and Icelandic understand it? Let's find out! 🤓
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro in Old Norse, Danish, Icelandic and Norwegian
2:16 - Intro in English
3:17 - 1. Sentence
05:45 - 2. Sentence
10:03 - 3. Sentence
17:55 - 4. Sentence
25:30 - 5. Sentence
36:07 - Commentary in English and behind the scenes
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@francesconecci3087
@francesconecci3087 2 жыл бұрын
Me, an Italian, watching the whole thing without understanding a single word: entertained.
@Tibicen_
@Tibicen_ 2 жыл бұрын
Here an Spanish watching it exactly in the same way. I don't understand anything but I loved the video
@trojanpussy
@trojanpussy 2 жыл бұрын
Me dutch, netherlands the same
@s.a.d1086
@s.a.d1086 2 жыл бұрын
And also a Romanian now, guys this is not our zone🤣🤣🤣🤣
@pixel_429
@pixel_429 2 жыл бұрын
same, i'm from germany
@flynnguest8323
@flynnguest8323 2 жыл бұрын
Welsh here
@pristi713
@pristi713 2 жыл бұрын
icelandic guy : just chilling danish guy : trying hard to understand norwegian guy : why i am here
@AlexeyShmalts
@AlexeyShmalts 2 жыл бұрын
Am I real viking?
@toddwebb7521
@toddwebb7521 2 жыл бұрын
þú jafnvel víkingur bróðir?
@Islandicus
@Islandicus 2 жыл бұрын
@@toddwebb7521 það er skemmtilegt!
@Strykehjerne
@Strykehjerne 2 жыл бұрын
He wasn't trying. And I really don't know what they taught him at school. Sorry.. probably a bad day - and the way he re heard was.. like he wasn't listening.. bad day on the field for him..
@Carnifindion
@Carnifindion 2 жыл бұрын
Highly accurate
@tonychristney2053
@tonychristney2053 Жыл бұрын
Key take away: if you are going to time travel back to the Viking age, take an Icelander with you.
@SpeakViking
@SpeakViking Жыл бұрын
it is an absolute must if you do
@Asher-Tzvi
@Asher-Tzvi 11 ай бұрын
@@heartonfire583 just because you learn a language doesn’t mean you know the sound changes from its old form
@lasselasse5215
@lasselasse5215 11 ай бұрын
You could also argue that a Greek would be the better choice, albeit for completely different reasons.
@CrimsonsDeath12
@CrimsonsDeath12 10 ай бұрын
Or, a linguistically interested west Norwegian. Like me! :D
@jesperlykkeberg7438
@jesperlykkeberg7438 10 ай бұрын
What is called "Old Norse" today is simply middle age Old Icelandic. That has nothing to do with the vikings. The vikings spoke Danish Language (Danelaw) which is a complete different language as attested in the hundreds of British Viking placenames such as Rugby, Baldersby, Arnesby, Hareby, Dalby, Allerby, Stisted, Felsted, Alsager, Overstrand, Riseholme, Birkholme, Marholm, Langholm, Sandtoft, Horning, Lindum etc. All these names are Danish. None of them are "Old Norse" Icelandic.
@baegal4412
@baegal4412 Жыл бұрын
As a swede, the pronunciation I could HARDLY understand any of it. But the sentences kind of made sense on some of them. Man I have a lot of admiration for Icelandic people
@neilferguson7176
@neilferguson7176 Жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you there, I couldn't understand what he was saying, but once it was written down I got some of it, which is strange because I speak none of the Scandinavian languages.
@Bearodon
@Bearodon Жыл бұрын
I det högsta trädet i skogen byggde två mesar redet sitt. It sounds like old Swedish which makes sence.
@SeekingSomeSerenity
@SeekingSomeSerenity Жыл бұрын
@@neilferguson7176 written language is almost always more intelligible for someone speaking a related language than the spoken form. I can understand a bit of Dutch and German when written despite speaking only English and Esperanto.
@thorlaug
@thorlaug Жыл бұрын
As an Icelander I could hardly understand the pronunciation either. Sorry! But every word on screen I understood.
@gymir5226
@gymir5226 Жыл бұрын
Jag håller med / I agree! Tycker att det är synd att Sverige inte var representerat i denna video. Lite tråkigt...
@thorstmixx
@thorstmixx 2 жыл бұрын
As an Icelander, I was preparing myself for disappointment, because we've always been told we'd be able to communicate fairly easily with hypothetical Old Norse time travelers, and I half expected this video to come and dash that prideful dream... But no, I understood everything, even without the written form, and am very pleased to see we still got it!
@kolbeinnhelgi6341
@kolbeinnhelgi6341 2 жыл бұрын
Kemr mann í opna skjöldu
@Godiums
@Godiums 2 жыл бұрын
Já okey áhugavert
@highviewbarbell
@highviewbarbell 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly don't see any reason at all to call Icelandic that rather than just Norse other than of course that Iceland is a nation now; there's no or very little disconnect between the Viking age and today in terms of population on the island and the language has undergone very little changes except in vowel sounds and some word endings
@YouGotUnlucky
@YouGotUnlucky 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not sure about that. At the end is not an Old Norse time traveler speaking but an American guy whose Icelandic influence is big and therefore we can’t factually say what he spoke was 100% right both grammatically and spoken.
@highviewbarbell
@highviewbarbell 2 жыл бұрын
@@YouGotUnlucky true but he's got likely the best reconstruction anywhere and if we can say with a high degree of certainty that classical latin pronunciation has been reconstructed, we can probably get just as close here
@manny75586
@manny75586 2 жыл бұрын
Icelandic guy is like "when are we gonna stop speaking Icelandic and get to the Old Norse?"
@hannahwalmer1124
@hannahwalmer1124 2 жыл бұрын
I know, right? I"m looking at it like, "where's the difference?" lol. Kind of a stretch to call them separate languages
@MrPicky
@MrPicky 2 жыл бұрын
@@hannahwalmer1124 Well it is similar but still it can be quite difficult to read Old Norse poems for us BUT general text is not that difficult. Words have though changed through the centuries.
@sgjoni
@sgjoni 2 жыл бұрын
​@@MrPicky ... the words haven't changed that much in form or meaning though a few have, many sound more formal, biblical or poetic... what I feel is the main problem for a modern day Icelander to understand Old Norse has more to do with cultural change. When I read old texts my main obstacle is words related to things and activities that are no longer a part of modern day life, experience and language. ... and that can render a text completely unintelligible. "As he came through the flounk he twank the oomah on the splunker..." if you get my drift ;-)
@MrPicky
@MrPicky 2 жыл бұрын
@@sgjoni words have changed with the changes of pronounciation, like Leifr became Leifur etc., and some words have changed meanings (like sími was a thread but is now phone) but otherwise I agree with you. My answer was just "simpler" ;)
@TotiTolvukall
@TotiTolvukall 2 жыл бұрын
I'm Icelandic and I concur - his Old Norse is tremendously Icelandic, but I also feel his spoken language exaggerated. Languages have the tendency of finding the lazy path. Comparing my experience of written vs. spoken Icelandic, Swedish, English as well as Turkish and Chinese, all have a strict set of how to write which doesn't always harmonize with how it's spoken. I seriously doubt that people would have said "áðr" even if they chose to write it that way - "u" is a natural sound there (áður) - pretty much like how he blows his "wh" in "where", he'd also sound hvalr (hvalur) like "hhúalr" rather than the more correct "kvalur".
@helgijonsson3537
@helgijonsson3537 Жыл бұрын
I'm from Iceland and I had the exact same reaction to everything as Óskar did! I knew we were quite close to Old Norse but I didn't realise it was this close. It would be interesting to travel back in time to medieval Norway and see just how much I'd understand.
@michaelkohl9728
@michaelkohl9728 Жыл бұрын
Yes Sir,...one Delorean coming up.
@robertstewart239
@robertstewart239 Жыл бұрын
Yes, it would be interesting to conduct a more in-depth experiment. Understanding five isolated sentences is one thing. But do you think you could hold a conversation with a speaker of Old Norse?
@helgijonsson3537
@helgijonsson3537 Жыл бұрын
@@robertstewart239 It depends on the pronounciation. For example, I understand Faroese quite well but only in its written form, the pronounciation is quite different. All we have of Old Norse is the written language, but if most words are pronounced the same, then yes I could absolutely have a conversation with an Old Norse speaker.
@alanguages
@alanguages Жыл бұрын
Just speak Icelandic with a Norwegian accent.
@PapaBear6t8
@PapaBear6t8 Жыл бұрын
Well, you people as island dwellers, kind of managed to preserve the old ways, having little to no influences from the continent. That's how I explain it. Greetings from RO!
@rondelleintegre
@rondelleintegre Жыл бұрын
Fun fact : in French, we have the word "mésange" which comes from Frankish and has the same origin as "meisingar". I would never have guessed, but just checked.
@divicospower9112
@divicospower9112 Жыл бұрын
Merci pour l'indice. Je n'y aurais pas pensé.
@cassienify
@cassienify Жыл бұрын
Oui, j'y avais pensé aussi.
@matthewgrumbling4993
@matthewgrumbling4993 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the explanation. I was wondering if there was any connection. Perhaps this is why there is a connection in mythology, which Tolkien implied in Lord of the Rings, between birds and spies or messages.
@spades9681
@spades9681 Жыл бұрын
@@matthewgrumbling4993 Seems more likely that came from the use of birds to send messages for much of history.
@ChickenMcPussy
@ChickenMcPussy Жыл бұрын
well if im not mistaken, the vikings did come to northern france which would be modern day normandy today so i guess there might exist some french words with roots in old norse? anyhow, pretty fascinating nonetheless
@steven_003
@steven_003 2 жыл бұрын
Love how everyone is looking in the beginning. The Norwegian, questioning every life choice, the Dane, realising he made a mistake agreeing to this and the Icelander just casually listening. Haha
@Rohgamu
@Rohgamu Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@philomelodia
@philomelodia 11 ай бұрын
Lol!
@Coolpawn
@Coolpawn 2 жыл бұрын
Expert: "Snjór fell einn dag í skóginum" Norwegian: " I don't know this Snjorbert dude"
@VegardFarstad
@VegardFarstad 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I don't know him either. Perhaps a friend of Norbert walking in the woods on a snowy day?
@Stetch42
@Stetch42 2 жыл бұрын
That would be in swedish: "Snön föll en dag i skogen"
@SpeakViking
@SpeakViking 2 жыл бұрын
lol
@jonnyueland7790
@jonnyueland7790 2 жыл бұрын
In southern Norway we would say " Snøen falt en dag i skogen" But we have problems understanding the northern Norwegians.
@santyricon
@santyricon 2 жыл бұрын
I was laughing because to me, as a native spanish speaker, it sounde almost exactly like "señor" (sir, in english)
@lizh.413
@lizh.413 9 ай бұрын
Super interesting to see how Icelandic isolation has helped to retain a large proportion of the old language.
@ofaoilleachain
@ofaoilleachain 6 ай бұрын
Not necessarily just isolation, but an active preservation of the language, including modern reforms to remove Danish loan words after independence
@jesperlykkeberg7438
@jesperlykkeberg7438 6 күн бұрын
Icelandic has changed drastically. It happened when the runes were transliterated into Latin letters.
@ukspizzaman
@ukspizzaman Жыл бұрын
I am Norwegian, from Bergen. I can somewhat understand the written language. Understanding the spoken word is far more difficult.
@viktorreiter8811
@viktorreiter8811 Жыл бұрын
do they speak a significatly different norwegian in bergen?
@Midreefer
@Midreefer Жыл бұрын
@@viktorreiter8811 different enough to immediately tell theyre from Bergen (or at least western Norway) but completely understandable for anyone in the country
@rolfwienr371
@rolfwienr371 Жыл бұрын
@@viktorreiter8811 norwegian dialects are so different from each other that they could be considered different languages. For me living in the middle of norway i find swedish easier to understand than for example bergensk
@parandersson8032
@parandersson8032 Жыл бұрын
Thoose seaside cities dialects are tricky to understand.
@wilvargas4097
@wilvargas4097 8 ай бұрын
the Islandic is modern =/ i wanted t root language (traditional), i found a dictionary in eng with little words for old norse n then i mixed with t modern uen i dont find, is fk! If someone get some dictionary or gramatic book i thank.
@pelagiushipbone7968
@pelagiushipbone7968 2 жыл бұрын
YES finally! Now all we need is “Old English can Dutch, German and West Frisian speaker understand it” video and my life will be complete
@itsohaya4096
@itsohaya4096 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with this!
@cranntara3741
@cranntara3741 2 жыл бұрын
They might figure it out much better than native english speakers
@elenna_alexia
@elenna_alexia 2 жыл бұрын
I would love that too, being a German speaker myself, but even more I would like to see one featuring West Low German/Low Saxon.
@OntarioTrafficMan
@OntarioTrafficMan 2 жыл бұрын
That video is exactly what we need
@Islandicus
@Islandicus 2 жыл бұрын
@@elenna_alexia Absolutely yes! People just do not realise how diverse the German language is.
@AndreasNkleby
@AndreasNkleby 2 жыл бұрын
Being Norwegian, the Norwegian guy is totally lost. I didn’t understand everything, but I would say any other Norwegian would be about as good as the Dane
@sama732
@sama732 2 жыл бұрын
Swede here and yes its not that difficult. I understand about half the words without reading.
@slickboxingidentityveritas1932
@slickboxingidentityveritas1932 2 жыл бұрын
His dialect is too northern and cut off
@noahkirschtein8169
@noahkirschtein8169 2 жыл бұрын
@@slickboxingidentityveritas1932 even if he doesn’t speak the “common norwegian” or whatever the fuck, his dialect doesn’t affect his understanding of norwegian. his dialect is literally unrelated to his understanding of old norse lmao
@Mari-eq8rx
@Mari-eq8rx 2 жыл бұрын
@@noahkirschtein8169 Not true. A Western Norwegian would (usually) understand it better than a Northern Norwegian because our dialects are more similar to old norse / icelandic than in the other regions.
@AndreasNkleby
@AndreasNkleby 2 жыл бұрын
@@Mari-eq8rx what on earth are you on about ‘’closer to old norse and icelandic’’? You might be better at understanding other languages, I don’t know, but don’t tell me western dialect is closer to old Norse and Icelandic 😂 because of ‘nynorsk’? No(r)way José
@validascalescu5089
@validascalescu5089 Жыл бұрын
I'm totally shocked to see that Icelandic and Old Norse are basically the same language... Cheers for Iceland !
@Rhoadie1
@Rhoadie1 Жыл бұрын
I'm not.
@jesperlykkeberg7438
@jesperlykkeberg7438 10 ай бұрын
What did you expect? "Old Norse" IS Icelandic. Where did you think they got it from? Certainly not from the Scandinavian Vikings who spoke Danske Tunge in the Danelaw. All their villages still have Danish names to this day: Rugby, Baldersby, Arnesby, Hareby, Dalby, Allerby, Stisted, Felsted, Alsager, Overstrand, Riseholme, Birkholme, Marholm, Langholm, Sandtoft, Horning, etc.). There is no "Old Norse" in the Danelaw. No -Stadur´s there, what so ever.
@user-B_8
@user-B_8 9 ай бұрын
​@@Rhoadie1Me neither!
@pxolqopt3597
@pxolqopt3597 7 ай бұрын
I really want to learn Icelandic. It seems so interesting
@Stoirelius
@Stoirelius 3 ай бұрын
@@pxolqopt3597Download the book series “Íslenska fyrir alla”. Free books and free audios. Happy learning.
@dansommer2646
@dansommer2646 Жыл бұрын
As a Danish person who has lived in Iceland, this was all really easy to understand, even without the written version. I would like to add that 12th century Norse and modern Scandinavian languages as well as Icelandic have a lot of words that phonetically sound almost the same in modern English. Just take words like: ship, boat, axe, hammer, sail, mast, anchor, shield, spear, sword, knife etc. 😀
@WingChunMindForce
@WingChunMindForce Жыл бұрын
Exactly, as an older literate native English speaker who also understands Scots I am constantly amazed by the amount of words I understand once I've heard them many times. The outrageously complex grammar hides a lot but then you hear that word in the right part of the sentence, sex, singular or plural and suddenly boom it's English
@Mr.Frog.Gaming
@Mr.Frog.Gaming Жыл бұрын
Geordie (English Newcastle dialect) is very interesting from this point as well considering their heavy viking influence and dialectal words such as "bairn/s" for children.
@Moetastic
@Moetastic Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I get thrown back with suprise, realizing I can faintly understand some words as a Native english speaker. I would never have guessed that.
@dan74695
@dan74695 Жыл бұрын
Scandinavian borrowed a ton of words from Low Saxon, and English borrowed a ton of words from Scandinavian.
@willowsayswhat9642
@willowsayswhat9642 5 ай бұрын
Shall. the slang word in australia to drink all your drink is to Scull your beer, go on a tour, sail, hound, a ford (though it is a difference thing. Way....
@regrettablemuffin9186
@regrettablemuffin9186 2 жыл бұрын
I love the Icelander just repeating back the exact same sentence when asked to translate
@ValkyRiver
@ValkyRiver Жыл бұрын
🇮🇸
@joi76
@joi76 Жыл бұрын
exactly... he's not translating it at all... just putting Icelandic accent to the old norse. I think he misunderstood what he was meant to do there
@Smileyreal
@Smileyreal Жыл бұрын
@@joi76 The old norse sentences could definitely be used in some very poetic writing, they still make sense in icelandic, even though they aren't really how a normal person would speak. I do agree with you though, that he should've been more consistent in changing them to adhere to how people actually speak.
@re_di_roma_is_back2388
@re_di_roma_is_back2388 Жыл бұрын
Ahahaha
@SvanhildurPalmadottir
@SvanhildurPalmadottir Жыл бұрын
@@joi76 There isn't much to translate.
@RaphaelGhunnter
@RaphaelGhunnter 2 жыл бұрын
The Icelander looks like he's trying not to laugh, like he's thinking "So... when does the challenge actually start?" 🤣
@muslimsrememberapostacyday556
@muslimsrememberapostacyday556 2 жыл бұрын
_"In the highest tree of the forrest"_ I guess the propability of finding a forrest in Iceland is the same as finding a train station.
@filiphelset872
@filiphelset872 2 жыл бұрын
@@muslimsrememberapostacyday556 Or a skin pigment
@sarapesenacker4781
@sarapesenacker4781 2 жыл бұрын
@@filiphelset872 Iceland is actually very diverse
@sapereaude5121
@sapereaude5121 2 жыл бұрын
@@sarapesenacker4781 Which is terrible, it should be Icelanders only.
@oiawoo9168
@oiawoo9168 2 жыл бұрын
@@sapereaude5121 I think Icelanders dont mind having immigrants living there, as long as they do what Romans do in Rome.
@ActionReplayPerson
@ActionReplayPerson Жыл бұрын
What is really cool is seeing the cognates in English, given the history of old Norse is integral to the history of English linguistically. Literally "þessen" being the root of "this" and "these" is just one the coolest damn things to unpack when looking at Scandinavian languages old and modern.
@warpedweft9004
@warpedweft9004 Жыл бұрын
I guessed a couple of words correctly here or there, but I don't speak any Nordic language. I did however learn German and was wondering if that was why. Now I'm not so sure.
@benas_st
@benas_st Жыл бұрын
@@warpedweft9004 I speak a tiny bit of Danish and did learn German in school years ago (I'm shite at it though), but I'm the most fluent in English. I think for the majority of the words I felt they were most similar to Danish and quite rarely English. It's difficult to tell, even in the written forms, when English doesn't use ð anymore
@warpedweft9004
@warpedweft9004 Жыл бұрын
@@benas_st Its possible that because I'm an older person there are words we used as children that are no longer used. English vocabulary changed very rapidly after television and the internet became widely available. Becoming a "global village" had it's effect. No one uses words like "weald" anymore, except in place names. I noticed a huge difference when going back to the UK to visit. In the mid 1990s, all the regional accents were very obvious. In 2013, not so much. The accent seemed to have flattened considerably and word choice had changed, particularly in the "home counties".
@warpedweft9004
@warpedweft9004 Жыл бұрын
@@Vini2157 but I think they are under greater pressure now than they ever have been. We're already losing adverbs and some nouns are being used as other word forms, not to mention the misuse of the apostrophe. There was actually a Society for the Preservation of the Apostrophe in Australia. Some work mates joined me up because I was always on their backs about their misuse of them, but sadly, that folded a few years back when they conceded defeat.
@stianharestad6601
@stianharestad6601 2 жыл бұрын
My brother and sisters in iceland should be proud, to take care of their language all the way back from the Viking Age. best regards From a Norwegian. I realy love you and proud to call you brother and sisters.
@thorlaug
@thorlaug Жыл бұрын
Takk elsku frændi. There are a few remnants of Gaelic in the language, 3:40 is where Icelandic diverted from Old Norse and into Gaelic in pronunciation. In the other Nordic languages double L as in fell is pronounced as a soft and long L, whereas in Iceland esp. W-Iceland the double L is pronounced as -tl like you'd do in Gaelic.
@dontatmebitches
@dontatmebitches Жыл бұрын
i just see Norwegians as my brothers and sisters
@Halli50
@Halli50 28 күн бұрын
As an Icelander, I have always considered Norwegians as our adored older siblings and Icelandic as the oldest and best-preserved Norwegian dialect...
@baalrog887
@baalrog887 2 жыл бұрын
"it's not a competition, nobody wins anything" Jackson... My sweet innocent Jackson... You have spent too long in Old Norse, you have no idea the lengths these three countries will go to, to out-do each other!
@Bronzescorpion
@Bronzescorpion 2 жыл бұрын
Only if Sweden was a part of it as well. Denmark and Sweden fighting over Norway, ah the good old times.
@Gilmaris
@Gilmaris 2 жыл бұрын
@@Bronzescorpion Sweden didn't get through to the finals.
@hasselnttper3730
@hasselnttper3730 2 жыл бұрын
@@Bronzescorpion C'mon dude, we all know Norway was the senior part back in the Norway-Denmark and Norway-Sweden days. You shouldn't buy all the Danish and Swedish propaganda you hear on the internet! ;)
@fr3238
@fr3238 2 жыл бұрын
@@Gilmaris Not surprised as modern swedish is very close to arabic.
@rovhalt6650
@rovhalt6650 2 жыл бұрын
@JohanOffline Yeah. Except it's own people when they need refuge from the refugees. Invandring är inget man skryter med Johan
@NiaJustNia
@NiaJustNia 2 жыл бұрын
Every Icelander watching this has realised they could easily get a qualification in Old Norse
@meginna8354
@meginna8354 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty much yeah😂
@matanadragonlin
@matanadragonlin 2 жыл бұрын
If old norse folk happen to come to us, we'll count on you icelanders. You'll be perfect to comunicate with them than 😀
@HasufelyArod
@HasufelyArod 2 жыл бұрын
Makes sense. Are you Icelandic-speaker? If so pleased to meet you. If not, pleased to meet you as well.
@NiaJustNia
@NiaJustNia 2 жыл бұрын
@@HasufelyArod No, I'm a Welsh speaker, and also a Japanese and Scottish Gaelic learner
@HasufelyArod
@HasufelyArod 2 жыл бұрын
@@NiaJustNia Wonderful. As I said previously, nice to meet you. Braf cwrdd â chi.and Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrowyllllantysiliogogogoch
@PosingPanda
@PosingPanda Жыл бұрын
Little sad we had no swedish representative here! I as a Swede did understand parts of this and could have done some good guessing! To everyone complaining about the norwegian guy please stop. I know this dilemma all too well. When put on the spot you easily blackout and things that you normally would find simple get more difficult. Kudos to all participating for an entertaining video! :)
@elvenkind6072
@elvenkind6072 Ай бұрын
Good to hear someone standing up for the Norwegians! 👍
@hillside21
@hillside21 Жыл бұрын
My grandfather was a Finland-Swede, born in 1888 in Ostrobothnia. He went back to Finland around 1970 with my mother, and she was told his Swedish seemed more like Icelandic than modern Swedish.
@Hwyadylaw
@Hwyadylaw 6 ай бұрын
I think in that case "Icelandic" would just be a way of saying "hard to understand". Though I will say Modern Icelandic sounds somewhat similar to Finnish (which might have influenced his accent) due to pre-aspiration and stress patterns.
@folyglot7806
@folyglot7806 2 жыл бұрын
Man, I always wondered if the conservativeness of Icelandic was overstated, but this was a beautiful demonstration!
@livedandletdie
@livedandletdie 2 жыл бұрын
It's not overstated at all, it's scary how conservative they are... You know the words feminine, neuter, singular, plural and all of those related terms... in Icelandic they have their own words for that. Einntal(singular) fleirtal(plural), the other languages technically could do the same, as most things are still pretty much slightly different Norse, however since the rest loves loanwords... I'd doubt it ever happen. After all, there's more German and French in Swedish than there is Norse...
@Odinsday
@Odinsday 2 жыл бұрын
German overall is a very conservative language, at least in terms of grammar. It has the noun cases and neuter gender like older Germanic languages, but the vocabulary has definitely been influenced by Latin and Greek. Icelandic feels like a language warded off from any outside influence, allowed to grow in a streamlined fashioned. In general, very archaic.
@3st3st77
@3st3st77 2 жыл бұрын
@@livedandletdie I get what you mean, but that was a bad call. In German you can also say Einzahl and Mehrzahl for singular and plural. These are used interchangeably. The same goes for German names for the grammatical genders (which are even preferred). I just looked it up and apparently, ental and flertal also exist in Swedish. So, in these cases loanwords only increased the vocabulary.
@MWoyde
@MWoyde 2 жыл бұрын
@@livedandletdie In German we also have Einzahl (singular) and Mehrzahl (plural) which are as understandable as Singular and Plural. But those two can be used as well, but they are more technical
@SalvatoriusMyspace
@SalvatoriusMyspace 2 жыл бұрын
@@MWoyde I don't speak German as a mother language in fact I've learned it as an adult, by reading Einntal and fleirtal I thought something like Einteil and Vielteil :D
@korpiz
@korpiz 2 жыл бұрын
As a swede, this is incredibly interesting. You should have gotten a Swedish speaker here also. 👍🏻
@lovinPF4ever
@lovinPF4ever 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed! I understood more than both the Norwegian and the Danish :)
@Gist432
@Gist432 2 жыл бұрын
Why is he even there? It’s not even a challenge for Icelandic people. A Swede would be more interesting.
@-RXB-
@-RXB- 2 жыл бұрын
@@Gist432 Still interesting to hear the similarities with Icelandic. For a Swedish translation, check out my comment on that, for those that may be interested. But yes a swede would have been nice aswell.
@katinkaaa2951
@katinkaaa2951 2 жыл бұрын
hell no.
@arminiuszmazowszanin2670
@arminiuszmazowszanin2670 2 жыл бұрын
there was no space on the screen
@SomasAcademy
@SomasAcademy 2 жыл бұрын
~9:50 Completely random, but hearing how the Old Norse word for "bird," "Fuglar," is clearly cognate with the German "vogel" made me start wondering if English had an equivalent, and I realized that we do in "fowl" (looked it up to check, and sure enough, the old English version of "fowl" is "fugol"). I love spotting cognates like that, I've known the word "vogel" for years but never put it together with its English cognate until seeing the Norse version.
@LarsPallesen
@LarsPallesen Жыл бұрын
Great observation there!
@bacicinvatteneaca
@bacicinvatteneaca Жыл бұрын
In Italian we have "folaga" which is a species of bird
@prospektarty1513
@prospektarty1513 Жыл бұрын
Fowl is bird. They are the same thing, English just uses bird in modern speech
@Sindrijo
@Sindrijo Жыл бұрын
It goes in all directions... Vindauga (Old Norse) => Vindu (NO) => Window (EN) Fenster (DE) => Fönster (SE) Questioner (Old French) => Question (EN) Frage (DE) => Fråga (SE)
@LeifWarner
@LeifWarner 2 жыл бұрын
I love it when it's the Icelandic guy's turn, "Ok, what do you think it said?", and the Icelandic guy just repeats exactly what Jackson said (w/ just some minor pronunciation differences) - while the other two guys were struggling to guess even a single word...
@jesperlykkeberg7438
@jesperlykkeberg7438 10 ай бұрын
That´s simply because "Old Norse" IS Icelandic. Which is nothing like the "Danske Tunge" language the Scandinavian Vikings spoke in the Danelaw. All their villages still have Danish names to this day: Rugby, Baldersby, Arnesby, Hareby, Dalby, Allerby, Stisted, Felsted, Alsager, Overstrand, Riseholme, Birkholme, Marholm, Langholm, Sandtoft, Horning, etc.). There´s no "Old Norse" in the Danelaw. No -Stadur´s there, what so ever.
@JoanMaddie
@JoanMaddie 7 ай бұрын
@@jesperlykkeberg7438 Not as Danish as you believe. All these names sounds like Norwegian too. That is old Norse!
@jesperlykkeberg7438
@jesperlykkeberg7438 7 ай бұрын
@@JoanMaddie Nope. There was never such language as Old Norse. When you say "all of these names sounds like Norwegian too" it´s exactly because south-eastern Norwegian was regarded as Danish. This has nothing to do with Old Norse (Norrøn) which is predominantly describing Old Icelandic. According to all primary sources, - even the oldest Icelandic (Norrøn) text "Fyrsta Málfrœðiritgerðin"), - there were several Nordic languages including the "Danske Tunge" spoken in southern Scandinavia. The differences between Danish, Jutish and Norrøn concerns the complete separate understandings of how runic letters were to be interpreted and transcribed. You can compare this to how the written form "ski-" (as in "skive/skiva") is pronounced completely different in modern Danish, Norwegian and Swedish, thereby establishing the fact that these are three different languages even though the written form "ski-" is the same. In the Iron age, in eastern Denmark runes were presenting as girls´ and boys´ names and interpreted as double-syllabic morphemes and word-forming elements carrying meanings such as hovedleds-abbreviations ("Inge") reflexive markers ("eske") superlative markers ("ester"), etc. One famous example is the interpretation of how the "Gebu" and "Ingwaz"-runes were to be transcribed into Latin letters. In Eastern Denmark the "Ingwaz"-rune was understood as the girls´name "Inge" when being part of placenames (ex: Jyllinge). In Jutland simply as "-ing" (ex: Jelling). But in Iceland the "ingwaz"-rune was radically reduced and simply transcribed into the Latin letter "g", which is one of the important reasons for the notorious N-deletions in Old Icelandic showing how the construction of a word such as "mange" (English "many", both from "mer-an-give") lost the letter N in Icelandic and turned into "margir". The above mentioned Old Icelandic source explains exactly how this unique Icelandic change happened. This sort of reduction of runes are often seen in modern transcriptions such as the runic inscription HIR being transcribed as the word "here" rather than the older interpretation "hither"(for-H-ITH-ER) more closely revealing it´s original compounding: til (for-)Hid-hen-ad-hørende sig), or in English: for-H-ITH-adhering to. Compare with "for-bøde-hen(ad)-hørende sig" = forbuden/forbidden/verboten. The Icelandic interpretation that runes were merely single letters equivalent and interchangable one-to-one into Latin letters is a perfect example - and one of the main reasons - for the extreme changes that made Icelandic turn so far away from other Scandinavian languages, including far away from the languages the Vikings were speaking centuries earlier.
@MrFetchYou
@MrFetchYou 2 жыл бұрын
As a norwegian, i'm shocked at how little Torleif understood. So many of those words are similar in Norwegian. Atleast how we speak in western-Norway.
@whengrapespop5728
@whengrapespop5728 2 жыл бұрын
I completely agree. Even with regular bokmål, you should be able to get at least as much as the Danish guy, if not more.
@nameless5053
@nameless5053 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, from Eastern Norway and I totally agree
@IdaTheBraveFace
@IdaTheBraveFace 2 жыл бұрын
I am a northerner, and my dialect defenetly helped me more. But I think his head was kind of locked on bokmål mabey. And I also think age and experience might be a factor here.
@user-nk5es9iy8i
@user-nk5es9iy8i 2 жыл бұрын
Jaja, slapp av. Løken har ødelagt hele omdømmet sitt generelt og kommer aldri noensine til å bli invitert tilbake til en lignende greie, alt er bra.
@jackl.1759
@jackl.1759 2 жыл бұрын
They speak Bokmål in the west, ye? I thought that Nynorsk would be similar because they use "Eg" to say "I" and so does Iceland.
@maggamold
@maggamold 2 жыл бұрын
This is practically Icelandic. Or should we say Icelandic is almost the same as old Norse. Very easy to understand for us Icelanders.
@galgrunfeld9954
@galgrunfeld9954 2 жыл бұрын
Jackson explained some of the lack of evolution processes that made Icelandic so close to Old Norse. In practice it's kind of "Nynorse". I'd be curious to see early Old Norse and speakers of old Norse-derived dialects - of whatever language it might be, with Icelandic being an easy choice, being so close to it, however Old Norse itself developed and had variation among different places in Scandinavia. I'm curious how the dialects compare to the Old Norse that was the closest to Proto- Norse.
@meginna8354
@meginna8354 2 жыл бұрын
@@galgrunfeld9954 Interesting ideas.
@francesco_giangre
@francesco_giangre 2 жыл бұрын
I'd really like to learn Icelandic language, but Is almost impossible to find a good material on the internet...😞
@nathanlima4608
@nathanlima4608 2 жыл бұрын
@@francesco_giangre bro, icelandic people pratically dont speak their language, it's just english, it's sad
@GeekFurious
@GeekFurious 2 жыл бұрын
Once I ignored the pronunciation & focused on just what I figured the words were meant to be, I understood most of it.
@mplovecraft
@mplovecraft Жыл бұрын
I'm fluent in Swedish and Norwegian and I also know quite a bit of Danish. Hearing the words and making sense of it was very hard. When seeing it spelled out I could guess about 50% of it. Once I got the translation it was all quite clear and I felt bad for not getting it right. Similar to my experience with Icelandic, which I guess makes sense.
@andriandrason1318
@andriandrason1318 10 ай бұрын
U should not feel bad for something you had no control over.
@IAmReDesigner
@IAmReDesigner Жыл бұрын
I've never been this enthusiastic about a language class. As a Dane, it's cool to see how the old and the neighboring languages compare. It's incredible how similar it is.
@fabiofortuna182
@fabiofortuna182 2 жыл бұрын
I am Italian and fluent in Danish and Norwegian (after almost 40 years in Scandinavia). I simply cannot understand how the Norwegian guy was not able to perform better.
@user-nk5es9iy8i
@user-nk5es9iy8i 2 жыл бұрын
We Norwegians can't either. Hopefully it's a technical sound problem or something, if not this guy has nothing to do being a teacher.
@kennethguthrie7196
@kennethguthrie7196 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not even Norwegian (or from Scandinavia) and, based on my limited knowledge of German and full knowledge of English, Dutch, and Frisian, I was, AT LEAST, able to *guess* what was being said and written. Even if my accuracy was pretty shit, I still didn't have as much trouble as the Norwegian bloke up there. He must have been experiencing the mother of all hangovers that morning to be *that* bad at deciphering *some* root words...
@lisahogholt9713
@lisahogholt9713 2 жыл бұрын
I'm half italian, half norwegian. I've lived in italy most of my life, but throughout the years I've studied various languages, many of which germanic. I think that being used to learning languages helps in this situation because you need to recognize slightly changed words, see patterns in how words change between languages, etc. I don't think it's much of a coincidence that the Danish guy was better *and* could also speak swedish properly + understand norwegian; he honed the skills he needed for this thing.
@fabiofortuna182
@fabiofortuna182 2 жыл бұрын
@@lisahogholt9713 I agree. I live now in the Netherlands and I am also fluent in Dutch and German. Germanic languages help.
@autoingrement
@autoingrement 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I don't even speak any of the languages in the video (I've studied Swedish for 7 years) but I got much more than he did.
@shibolinemress8913
@shibolinemress8913 2 жыл бұрын
It seems almost unfair to the other two, but it's fascinating to see just how similar Icelandic is to Old Norse. A Viking time traveller would have little trouble communicating!
@GundamGokuTV
@GundamGokuTV Жыл бұрын
If you think about it. Iceland is out in the middle of the ocean. Isolated from the rest of Europe. The Danes and Norwegians traded and fought wars with the neighboring Germans and English, their languages changed while Iceland's remained mostly the same.
@shibolinemress8913
@shibolinemress8913 Жыл бұрын
@@GundamGokuTV Yes, in that way Iceland became a sort of Noah's Ark for the Old Norse language.
@harahara1960
@harahara1960 Жыл бұрын
@@GundamGokuTV Yes, but still the Icelandic language could easily have changed more than it did. We had very many danish words in the Icelandic language for example in the 19th. century but then a group of Icelanders living in Denmark called Fjölnismenn started to fight for a language cleanup policy. That surely worked and there are stories about teachers expelleing young pupils from class if using Danish slang.
@Brosak.
@Brosak. Жыл бұрын
@@harahara1960 that’s really interesting. Where can I read about this, any good sources in particular?😮I’m danish
@eoghancasserly3626
@eoghancasserly3626 Жыл бұрын
@@GundamGokuTV I'm Irish and I heard before that there's some very minor influence on modern Iceland from the Irish language from the Irish thralls they took from here!
@kristiniholm9815
@kristiniholm9815 2 жыл бұрын
Ótrúlega auðvelt að skilja. Kemur skemmtilega á óvart 🤗
@jesperlykkeberg7438
@jesperlykkeberg7438 10 ай бұрын
Vegna þess að "Old Norse" ER íslenskt, svo við hverju bjóstu? Hvaðan heldurðu að þeir hafi það? Svo sannarlega ekki frá skandinavísku víkingunum sem töluðu Danske Tunge í Danelagen. Þorp þeirra í Bretlandi bera dönsk nöfn enn þann dag í dag: Rugby, Baldersby, Arnesby, Hareby, Dalby, Allerby, Stisted, Felsted, Alsager, Overstrand, Riseholme, Birkholme, Marholm, Langholm, Sandtoft, Horning o.s.frv.). Það er engin "fornnorræna" í Danelaw. Það eru engir - Stadur þar, what so ever.
@Marcus-
@Marcus- 5 ай бұрын
I'm from rural western Norway and understood a lot more from this due to my dialect. Northern norwegian dialects and western dialects are very different. It probably also helped that in my region we grew up using Nynorsk as our main written language, compared to the rest of Norway that use Bokmål which is more similar to danish.
@novacolonel5287
@novacolonel5287 4 ай бұрын
You know how hard that makes it for foreigners learning Norwegian? 😂 I've been to Norway about 25 times, near Tysnes, south of Bergen, ever since I was a child. My first language course some years ago was taught by a guy who had lived in Oslo for many years. Now I'm taking another course and the trainer spent most of her time in Stavanger. Now this. There's like one distinct dialect for every ten Norwegians!!! And I love the language and it's rythm!
@Marcus-
@Marcus- 4 ай бұрын
@@novacolonel5287 It makes me very happy when i hear about foreigners wanting to learn Norwegian!😄 Yes in Norway you don't need to go far for people to be speaking a completely different dialect, and there are lots of subtle differences between small neighbouring towns even though they're in the same region. This is due to all the mountains and fjords between towns that have made it difficult for people in the past to mingle with neighbouring towns and villages. As it would be difficult to traverse such distances on foot too often. This has resulted in the language evolving slightly different between every fjord, mountain and island. It is slowly evolving to be more and more unified though because travel is a lot easier nowadays and you're no longer isolated to your local town anymore. I can clearly hear the difference in my own family since my grandmother on my dad's side, and my grandmother on my mom's side each have differences in their dialects even though they only live 2,5km away from eachother, but on different islands. Nowadays those islands are connected by bridges and everyone in that area go to the same schools, so the current generation of this dialect is the same on both islands.
@novacolonel5287
@novacolonel5287 4 ай бұрын
@@Marcus- Haha, yes, that's what I've been told, too. It makes a lot of sense, although I wonder why people just didn't go by boat to visit their neighbors. Our landlord's cousin told us that she still had to use a rowing boat to get from her home to the bus station of the school bus each morning. I can read a lot of Norwegian (Bokmål and Nynorsk alike) and write a very little bit, but speaking is still a challenge and it's not beyond basic in any metric other than maybe vocabulary. This week there was the announcement that the current course will be renewed for a second round, this time A2 instead of A1 (2 was the more advanced form, right?). You guys are still looking for professional workers, right? 🥹
@novacolonel5287
@novacolonel5287 4 ай бұрын
@@Marcus- Where exactly in rural western Norway are you from, if you don't mind me asking?
@Marcus-
@Marcus- 4 ай бұрын
@@novacolonel5287 People did go by rowing boats to visit neighbouring villages, but i think it was mainly to buy stuff and for work. But I'm guessing it was mostly done by adults which by then their dialects would have been fully developed and wouldn't have changed much even if they spent a long time in other places. Glad to hear that your course has been renewed! If you're looking for work here then i don't know much about the demand on land, but I know there is a big demand for able seamen(Matros) on ships in the Offshore industry here out at sea. If you live in Norway and get the necessary courses for it then you'd easily get a well paying job and would get to sail with people from all over the country as well as people from other nordic countries. I'm from Sunnmøre. Here the maritime industry is a big part of the local culture and a lot of people here work at sea.
@davigurgel2040
@davigurgel2040 2 жыл бұрын
This video should be called "Icelandic: can Norwegian, Danish and Icelandic speakers understand it?"
@NikhileshSurve
@NikhileshSurve 2 жыл бұрын
Or may be "Old Icelandic: Can Norwegian, Danish & modern Icelandic speakers understand it?"
@jeremias-serus
@jeremias-serus 2 жыл бұрын
@@NikhileshSurve Or maybe "Old Norse: Can Norweigan, Danish, and Modern Norse speakers understand it?"
@NikhileshSurve
@NikhileshSurve 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeremias-serus Yes, that sounds good too.
@germanguywithjumpercables7955
@germanguywithjumpercables7955 2 жыл бұрын
I just wonder who claimed old Norse and modern Icelandic to be two different languages in the first place... :p
@meginna8354
@meginna8354 2 жыл бұрын
@@germanguywithjumpercables7955 Depends on your definition of language.
@DenisLuiz96
@DenisLuiz96 2 жыл бұрын
The Icelandic dude is just chilling, incredible how this language is conservative.
@gaborodriguez1346
@gaborodriguez1346 2 жыл бұрын
Because it evolved alone. Same with Romanian on the other side.
@thewhiteknight5018
@thewhiteknight5018 2 жыл бұрын
@@gaborodriguez1346 And what with Romanian ?
@DenisLuiz96
@DenisLuiz96 2 жыл бұрын
@@thewhiteknight5018 It is very similar to Latin, it preserved the neutral grammatical gender and all.
@hansvandermeulen5515
@hansvandermeulen5515 2 жыл бұрын
@@gaborodriguez1346 Romanian was surrounded by slavic languages as well as hungarian. I wouldn't be surprised if someone would find traces of an older language that was supersaded by latin way back when. Icelanders are descendants from the old Norsemen and Scottish/Northenglish women. So there's no real influence from other languages.
@broccoli9308
@broccoli9308 2 жыл бұрын
I always assumed that languages isolated would evolve and diverge more, it's strange that it's so conservative.
@matswinberg5045
@matswinberg5045 Жыл бұрын
As a native Swedish speaker I understod the first sentence immediately: 1) SW: "Snön föll en dag i skogen" The second sentence I needed to see in written form, I had problems with "Margir" and "bjuggu", "Thessum" I associated with the Swedish word "dessa" (En: "these") so it was easy to interpret it to "this". "Bjuggu" resembles the Swedish word "bygga" (En: build). "Fuglar in Swedish is "fåglar" So my interpretation was: 2) SW: fåglar byggde (bo) i denna skog. In the third sentecnce I first had problem with "meisingar but the context made it clear that it was some kind of birds which led me to "mesar" which is a family of birds. So my interpretation was: 3) SW: I det högsta trädet i skogen, byggde två mesar sitt rede. In the fourth sentence I only did not understand "en athr en" My Interpretation: 4) SW: stormen kom, stal kråkan deras ägg. The fifth sentence was the hardest for me, I immediately recognised "flygr" which is "flyger" in Swedish. The "i" in "Vinr" and "ovin" confused me for a while, If it had been an "e" I would have recognised it immediately as "vän" and "ovän" in Swedish. After a while I interpreted it like: 5) SW: Vän med vingar har då ovän som flyger. I was surprised that I could understand so much of the written form, since Swedish is further away from Old Norse than the western Scandinavian languages.
@lidl18
@lidl18 Жыл бұрын
The icelandic guy is absolutely right, its just the fact that Iceland didnt have outside influence and was very isolated so they kept the old norse way of speaking for at much much longer time, almost up to present day.
@inolvidavel.
@inolvidavel. 2 жыл бұрын
🇮🇸 : Why am I even here? We speak practically the same language. 🇩🇰 : You got me in the first half, not gonna lie. I thought this was going to be easy, but now I'm trying my best here to understand one single word. 🇳🇴 : What the actual hell are you saying?
@ZenoxCombe
@ZenoxCombe 2 жыл бұрын
The norwegian guy in this video is dumb as hell. I am from Northern-Norway and speak a different dialect. I can understand these sentences a bit better than the danish guy could.
@rrs_13
@rrs_13 2 жыл бұрын
At some point in this video I was expecting something like: 🇳🇴: "no comprendo. no hablo español"
@gaborodriguez1346
@gaborodriguez1346 2 жыл бұрын
@@Sparess Not really. Danish is too far away from Icelandic (and Old Norse as well) phonetically.
@MetalGamer666
@MetalGamer666 2 жыл бұрын
@@Sparess In reality, any Norwegian will easily know old Norse WAY better than most Danes. It's what we used to speak after all. This guy just didn't have a clue.
@Sparess
@Sparess 2 жыл бұрын
@@gaborodriguez1346 Well, according to this video, Danish seems to have quite a bit in common with Icelandic. But as many people said, it may just be that the Norwegian guy wasn't really trying that hard. I've learnt Danish and am currently learning Norwegian but I can't say I know any Icelandic. 'Twas just a jest.
@KristofferJohansen
@KristofferJohansen 2 жыл бұрын
As a norwegian I was a little disappointed by the norwegian guy in this video. He should have understood more. The Danish guy was better at connecting words I guess.
@ragnar0209
@ragnar0209 2 жыл бұрын
^tenkte det samme!
@AlzionGaming
@AlzionGaming 2 жыл бұрын
Interestingly, one could recognize most of the words used in the Norse sentences from modern Norwegian, but you'd have to pull from many dialects around the country. For instance being from western Norway I was surprised he didn't recognize "snjo" as snow, but I'm guessing there's less familiarity with dialects down south due to geography, being from so far up north.
@Nekotaku_TV
@Nekotaku_TV 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I feel bad for other Norwegians here thinking he was a good representation for Norway. Maybe his brain went derp cause he was nervous or something... Cause some of it was quite easy (to a Swede like myself).
@mist9798
@mist9798 2 жыл бұрын
@@Nekotaku_TV He was treating it like a competition when it was not and seems like it got to his nerves. I could sense it through the screen that he went in with the wrong mindset
@vanefreja86
@vanefreja86 2 жыл бұрын
Its like those people here in Denmark who say they don't understand Swedish or Norwegian on the spot. In my mind it is so easy to connect the words.
@kylemartin8682
@kylemartin8682 2 жыл бұрын
This one was fun seeing the differences was vary interesting! Thank you guys
@freyatilly
@freyatilly 2 жыл бұрын
This is probably one of the most fascinating language videos I have ever seen. The comparisons are so interesting. Nice work to everyone.
@lukasm6905
@lukasm6905 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, an American speaking Old Norse. That's being Mr. worldwide
@amjan
@amjan 2 жыл бұрын
Not really. He looks like he might have some Scandinavian ancestry, certainly at least broadly European, and then his native English is a Germanic language already. He's not a native American, so he's simply exploring his ethnic/cultural roots.
@EusebiusAT
@EusebiusAT 2 жыл бұрын
@@amjan I'm sorry my dude, but Americans have almost no "real" relationships to their ethnic roots unless they are newly arrived immigrants. A lot of Americans claim to be "Danish", for example but know nothing of the language, or even simple danish geography, and instead, they might perform some lame parody of Danishness by eating æbleskiver with remoulade and walking around in lederhosen during festivities. Americans don't really care about their roots, at least that has never been confirmed by my lived experience, and I come from a family of Danish-Americans (my side of the family simply went back to Denmark in the 20th century, so I guess we're Danish-American Danes if I were to put that in "American terms").
@amjan
@amjan 2 жыл бұрын
@@EusebiusAT Calm down. You totally missed the point. We are NOT talking about some random Americans, but about Mr. Jackson Crawford and what HE is doing.
@broadh2o980
@broadh2o980 2 жыл бұрын
@@amjan wiki says he has no Scandinavian heritage and is Scottish. So a Celtic/Scots ancestry
@lookash3048
@lookash3048 2 жыл бұрын
​@@broadh2o980 Some parts of Scotland were conquered by Vikings and were ruled by them long time.
@gaborodriguez1346
@gaborodriguez1346 2 жыл бұрын
As a Spanish speaker, without Subtitles, and without speaking English, I understood 0.3% of what they're saying. It seems like Icelandic is the closest language to Old Norse.
@HasufelyArod
@HasufelyArod 2 жыл бұрын
The only word I got art 3:23 was SNJOR or something like that, which I assume means "snow". Por cierto, quihubo, vato, yo también hablo español y apenas una palabra entre un millón entendí.
@deithlan
@deithlan 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@IQzminus2
@IQzminus2 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah as a Swede that had to learn Spanish, the overlap between Nordic languages and Spanish is extremely limited. There are some loan words, but besides that there are only some basic words where you can sort of tell they come from the same root some time long ago. But yes Icelandic by far is the most similar to old Norse. More similar than written Spanish and Italian are to each other. Like really really similar. As a Swede I understood a little more than the Danish guy in the video. I think that was just due to some of the pronunciation and vocal/consonant sounds of the recreated old Norse sounded more like typical sounds in Swedish/Norwegian/Islandic than Danish. Danish pronunciation just went it’s own way and is pretty unique.
@Strykehjerne
@Strykehjerne 2 жыл бұрын
You're not expected to. Latin isn't even.close.. . You aren't expected to understand Basque either, no? ..only the Nordic grammar can be similar, if you get some vocab you could learn it pretty easily.. As a Norwegian with a little Latin in school and English, I think Spanish is quite available, and similar in construction..
@Akuvision2011
@Akuvision2011 2 жыл бұрын
@@HasufelyArod The J threw me wildly off there.
@daveyboygee
@daveyboygee 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my, this is completely fascinating! Well done all of you!
@bimbur1
@bimbur1 11 ай бұрын
I am Faroese, and my impression is that Icelandic is close to Old Norse, then comes Faroese, Norwegian and Danish in that order.
@fairshareofdrownedsouls
@fairshareofdrownedsouls 9 ай бұрын
I hope you enjoy Ólavsøka next week! From an ethnic Caribbean 🇧🇧🇯🇲 living in the UK 🇬🇧 👍🏾
@jesperlykkeberg7438
@jesperlykkeberg7438 7 ай бұрын
Modern Danish is closest to Danske Tunge spoken by the Danes in England from the 6th to the 11the century, then comes Norwegian, Swedish, and then Faroese, and finally Icelandic which have had the greatest changes due to them translitering the runes as if they were just plain letters rather than morphemic syllables.
@wezzuh2482
@wezzuh2482 6 күн бұрын
@@jesperlykkeberg7438 Lmao what no it is not. It is radically different from it. True, the Old Norse that Jackson is speaking here, is Old West Norse, whereas the Danes and Swedes spoke old East Norse, which had some different vowel qualities, but modern Danish has changes A LOT since then.
@jesperlykkeberg7438
@jesperlykkeberg7438 6 күн бұрын
@@wezzuh2482 100% wrong. And I can prove it. There was never any such language called "Old East Norse". The Danes and the southern Scandinavians spoke DANISH. That´s an indisputable fact. Danish was the name of the main language from were the Scsndinavian languages evolved. This is confirmed in the oldest Icelandic text "Fyrsta málfræðiritgerðin" were the Danish language is referred to as Dónsk Tunga (Danish tongue). The 1100-1200 Danish language of Henrik Harpestræng´s recipes is contemporary with all the "Old Norse"/Norrœn (Old Icelandic) texts Jackson is using as his sources. Fx. the Danish version of Henrik Harpestræng´s recipes PREDATES the Old Norse version of the same text. Danes, Norwegians and Swedes can quite easily understand Henrik Harpestræng´s recipes written in 1100/1200´s Danish. Icelanders would have a much harder time understanding it. About changes: Due to the new Franconian orthography used in European cathedral schools The Danes deemed it necessary to change the written form of Danish in order to preserve their original pronunciations, where as the Icelanders to a higher degree have preserved the written form and therefore have been forced to change their pronunciations drastically to make them fit modern orthography, a phenomenon that let to such things as the N-deletion from the transliteration of the ing-rune in words such as "margir" (from Danish "mange", meaning "many" compounded from "mer-angivne" ("pertaining to more"). But more importantly: all the thousands of (non-Icelandic) Danish Iron Age compounds in the English language, as well as the Danish placenames in England (Elmsted, Lyminge, Lindum, etc.) all refute your assertion that Danish has changed significantly. It´s nothing but a myth originating from interpretarions of runestones, none of which were ever carved in the Danish language. The (non-Icelandic) Danish Viking words are everywhere in English, from the oldest of times: Forbidden = forbeodan/forboden (Old English) = Forbuden (Danish compound abbreviated from: FOR-BØDE-ANgående and FOR-BØDE-HEN-hørende sig.) Compare Frisian compound: FOAR BOETE OANgeande = verbodan/verbean. Old Uppland Swedish and Norrœnt: fyrirbjoðen Modern Swedish: förbjuden However, rather than the archaic fyrirbjoðen, modern Icelandic use bannið/bönnuð. Sense of "forbidden", is not before late 14th century. bannið is opviously an imported root from a foreign (frisian?) compound. Also Icelandic mostly use "sekt" for penalty/fine/punishment rather than bjoðe. So who changed? The Danes have also preserved their ancient unique "twins of tenths" number system from the stone age, or whatever. Or from when and where do you suggest a word like "treoghalvtredsindstyvende" (meaning: "half through the third twins of tenths, and three" = 53) comes? Certainly not from Icelandic "fimmtíu og þrír" or any other languages you can think of, right? This defines Danish as the only preserved Mid-Germanic language, from were both West, East and North-Germanic. Finally I would also argue that Jackson has no insight in how Norse and English words were compounded in Danish (Mid-Germanic) word-constructional grammar. And Jackson is indeed pronouncing Old Icelandic with a quite late Christian orthography and consonant-shift which turns the consonant pronunciations into hard consonant sounds (B, K, G, etc) rather than the original soft vowel glides the consonants were originally expected to denote whenever such consonants are preceded by vowels or semivowels, as in "EK" originally pronounced "Yay".(Golden Horns of Gallehus). Jackson cannot even use his pseudo-German orthography to pronounce modern Danish without getting it all wrong, so why would anyone expect him to get the "Old Norse" pronunciation right? That´s the same mistake most scholars make when they pronounce Old English using modern German orthography, rather than the original English orthography.that would have denoted soft prononciations such as "ic hebba" pronounced as "eye hawer".(meaning "I have").
@wezzuh2482
@wezzuh2482 6 күн бұрын
@@jesperlykkeberg7438 So why exactly were none of the Rune-stones from Denmark ever written in the Danish language? Why would they be writing the Runes in a completely different language than the one they were speaking?
@safe-keeper1042
@safe-keeper1042 2 жыл бұрын
I feel bad for my fellow Norwegian, he looks like he's suffering from a hangover or something and doing his best to stay focused.
@muslimsrememberapostacyday556
@muslimsrememberapostacyday556 2 жыл бұрын
Whether or not norwegians understands icelandic, depends from where in Norway the Norwegian comes from. The oslo norwegian is so close to danish it is almost the same
@loffagood556
@loffagood556 2 жыл бұрын
@@muslimsrememberapostacyday556 im from the same area as the norwegian dude but i understood more than he could. Think this is more about who you choose to guess these.
@bendikklungsyr2393
@bendikklungsyr2393 2 жыл бұрын
lol he was nervous as hell
@muslimsrememberapostacyday556
@muslimsrememberapostacyday556 2 жыл бұрын
@@loffagood556 I agree, I think it is one thing to have an advantage on paper, another to use it. Yes, having a discussion in public like this will make a lot of people nervous and might lose that advantage because of that.
@FingerBob
@FingerBob 2 жыл бұрын
@@muslimsrememberapostacyday556 I think it really depends on what dialect you have. I'm from western-Norway and I felt I had a better idea and perhaps syntax to understand rather than the Norwegian representative because we still use a lot of these words.
@authormichellefranklin
@authormichellefranklin 2 жыл бұрын
First Simon Roper, now Dr Crawford. Such a treat! Would be interested to hear Faroese too.
@campodemarte4352
@campodemarte4352 2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget Luke Ranieri.
@DrGlynnWix
@DrGlynnWix 2 жыл бұрын
Faroese! Definitely would be interesting.
@johnagefrost
@johnagefrost 2 жыл бұрын
Allright, as far as I can understand it in Faroese: 1. Snjó fall ein dag í skóginum 2. Mangir fuglar búđu í hesum skógi 3. Í tí hægsta trænum í skóginum bygdu tvær títur reiđur sítt 4. Men áđrenn stormurin kom, stjól krákan teirra egg. 5. Vinur viđ veingjum hevur tann óvin, sum flýgur
@authormichellefranklin
@authormichellefranklin 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnagefrost Nice! How we just need Gothic to round it out.
@LEOTHEBULLY
@LEOTHEBULLY 2 жыл бұрын
@@campodemarte4352 Ranieri was on the Latin episode if you haven't seen that one.
@alessandrospinello1433
@alessandrospinello1433 Жыл бұрын
I'm an Italian that lives in Norway. I'm still learning how to speak the language properly (I'm probably at a B2 level), but I was amazed that I could understand more than the Norwegian guy in the video :)
@SebHaarfagre
@SebHaarfagre Жыл бұрын
I'm a Norwegian from Oslo, I immediately heard "snow fell one day in the woods" 😅 I think my countryman simply must have misheard or something. He pronounced it "Snor" though, which is "cord" "Thessum" is "This".... I heard "Margir birds built in this/these forest/s", which was 1 word wrong and 1 not guessed. Meisingar was obviously "Meis" plural or "Meiser" though you can't say that. skóginum is skog, byggdu is bugilt, sitt is sitt, hreidr is rede, I is eg. Apparently it's easier to hear Old Norse for someone from Southern Norway Edit: Yes "Meis" is the same bird in Norwegian... and you don't have to be "good with birds" they are literally _everywhere,_ kjøttmeis in particular...
@pally326
@pally326 2 жыл бұрын
Woah 😳 I had Jackson Crawford as my Vikings and Norse Mythology professor at the University of Colorado a few years ago! So awesome to see him here on this channel!
@heidifarstadkvalheim4952
@heidifarstadkvalheim4952 2 жыл бұрын
... so why do you call something " viking mythology" ???? Viking is a verb - and the newer norse mythology ( Odin / Tor) is only the newest. The real origin is " vaner" - not " æser" - by the way was Freya ( Frøya) and Frey..and so on
@reaperoflife113
@reaperoflife113 2 жыл бұрын
@@heidifarstadkvalheim4952 If I may, the University usually requires the professor to title the class in that way in order to draw more students - even if it is less accurate (i.e. more students will recognize the basic overarching idea faster than simply "Norse mythology". Likewise, these professors will usually add that basic clarification during the first lecture.
@zacharymenking4566
@zacharymenking4566 2 жыл бұрын
@@heidifarstadkvalheim4952 Viking in English is used as a noun primarily, maybe as a verb in certain context, though not to my immediate knowledge.
@dimetronome
@dimetronome 2 жыл бұрын
@@heidifarstadkvalheim4952 Viking is never really used as a verb in English. It’s used as a noun (ex. “the Vikings” is used to refer to seafaring Scandinavian people from the late 8th to 11th century). It seems like it’s usually used as an adjective in English (ex. “Viking culture,” “Viking settlement,” “Viking Age,” “Viking trade,” etc.)
@breakaleg10
@breakaleg10 2 жыл бұрын
As a Swede I understood about half the words in each sentence, and when Jackson explained some of the changes I understood a lot more
@kl1541
@kl1541 2 жыл бұрын
Lite orättvist att en svensk inte fått bidra i denna video:(
@caseyrogers573
@caseyrogers573 2 жыл бұрын
So I suggested this video a lot and I wish It would have been a Swede instead of an Icelander (no offense to any Icelanders) simply because Icelandic is so much closer to ON.
@amjan
@amjan 2 жыл бұрын
@@caseyrogers573 But the Danish guy spoke Swedish.
@caseyrogers573
@caseyrogers573 2 жыл бұрын
@@amjan sure, I just thought it would be a more even playing field without an Icelander, but as Jackson said, it’s not really a game but more of an experiment
@kl1541
@kl1541 2 жыл бұрын
@@amjan There are Norrländska,Gotlandish,Gothenburgish or even Elfadlians in Sweden, all of them have different gravy & spice in their languages/dialects. So it would be more intruiging if a Swede from Gotland or Norrland would take part as well
@andrewviloria5818
@andrewviloria5818 2 жыл бұрын
I love this. Thanks, guys!
@TinaDanielsson
@TinaDanielsson 2 жыл бұрын
I think Swedish is the most different of the Nordic languages. I only understood the first sentence in it's written form 😂 And some nouns in the other ones. 1. Snö föll en dag i skogen. 2. Många fåglar bygger i denna skog. 3. I det högsta trädet i skogen, byggde två gråmesar sitt rede. 4. Men innan stormen kom, stal en kråka deras ägg. 5. En vän med vingar har fienden som flyger.
@guttormurthorfinnsson8758
@guttormurthorfinnsson8758 Жыл бұрын
fyrir Islendig er léttast að fatta Sænsku af Norðurlanda tungumálunum.
@jesperlykkeberg7438
@jesperlykkeberg7438 10 ай бұрын
@@guttormurthorfinnsson8758 Er það ekki færeyska sem þú skilur auðveldast?
@tinykass
@tinykass 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that these men are trying to translate a language they don't speak (old norse), and are conversating about it in a language that they have learned (English), while comparing the translations to the language they were raised with in their own countries and discussing the similarities... is just so mindboggling to me! Truly TRULY impressive. I wish we were encouraged to be multilingual in America. It's truly something I find extremely impressive about the rest of the world.
@ryandietzjr.5756
@ryandietzjr.5756 2 жыл бұрын
That's Europe. Raise your standards
@tinykass
@tinykass 2 жыл бұрын
@@ryandietzjr.5756 doesn’t make it any less impressive
@angycucumber4319
@angycucumber4319 2 жыл бұрын
They teach English at quite a young age in northern Europe
@mikaelsellberg4364
@mikaelsellberg4364 Жыл бұрын
@@angycucumber4319 They start teaching kids English in Sweden at the age of 7 in schools
@Thefly142
@Thefly142 Жыл бұрын
Speaking as a Danish person: English evolved out of Old Norse. We have many words and syntaxes in common. It's easier to understand English for a Nordic speaker than you think it is. Examples: Window, Vindue Knife, kniv To think, at tænke To speak, at snakke We were, vi var Raised, rejst You see a pattern here? Many of these words aren't borrowed or translated they're just the same word that evolved differently
@haakonhamer9122
@haakonhamer9122 2 жыл бұрын
not gonna lie, the Norwegian guy disappointed me a bit. Maybe his local dialect screwed him over a bit. not sure, but the Icelandic guy basically was there to just make sure the speaker spoke correctly haha :D The Danish guy was more what I expected the Norwegian guy would perform. impressed by how much the Dane got correct tho! And we are missing a swede in this "experiment" also! BUT to their defence, it's much harder to sit there and do it live, vs sitting here in my sofa saying "OFC IT IS the highest tree in the forest" etc. awesome content
@ZShalafi
@ZShalafi 2 жыл бұрын
I can't comment for Torleif, but I have allmost identical dialect as to him - just an hour or so from where he is. And I think my dialect helped me alot.
@haakonhamer9122
@haakonhamer9122 2 жыл бұрын
@@ZShalafi then he was just bad? is that what ur saying ? Because I understood a whole lot more than him.
@HM-hu4hu
@HM-hu4hu 2 жыл бұрын
@@haakonhamer9122 Yes, he was just bad.
@kebman
@kebman 2 жыл бұрын
I'm from Tromsø, with relatives from Senja and Gudbrandsdalen. The local Tromsø dialect, _Tromsøværing,_ shouldn't really screw him over at all, since it's very close to _Nynorsk_ and thus closer to the original West Norse dialects. Also if you have relatives outside of town, you'd know a lot more Norse words already, that are closer to the original Norse than you see in the common city slicker dialects, or even sosiolects.
@N0RZC
@N0RZC 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, im a little dissapointed in the Norwegian Guy. pretty sure it was his dialect that screwed him over
@Dylanshreds1
@Dylanshreds1 10 ай бұрын
My wife is Swedish. I am amazed how much of this I understood. I don’t even speak Swedish, but I just hear her talking all the time and pick up on stuff. The last sentence was also difficult for me. I only understood “flygr” like “flyga” in Swedish. “Vinr” I thought was maybe “vin” as in “vine” or “wine”, but couldn’t figure anything else out from that. Made sense that it’s like “vän” in Swedish, and then “óvin” was difficult because “enemy” is “fiende” in Swedish like the English word “fiend”. I asked her though and she said that the word “ovän” doesn’t mean “enemy” but just someone you don’t like. Looks like “un-friend” to me now, like how “rätt” means “right, correct” and “orätt” means “wrong, incorrect”
@wbfojnewton1
@wbfojnewton1 8 ай бұрын
I have watched several of Jackson's videos.Interested in Old Norse/Old Danish.I find this video very interesting in it's approach,using these three different speakers and the differentating aspects of their languages in relationship to each other and Old Norse.Mange Tak
@bigcat5348
@bigcat5348 2 жыл бұрын
Next: Can Proto-Germanic, Gaulish, and Latin speakers understand Proto-Indo-European?
@sarahpassell226
@sarahpassell226 2 жыл бұрын
Good one!
@amjan
@amjan 2 жыл бұрын
Hahaha, I suspect Latin is way too modern for this :)
@gaborodriguez1346
@gaborodriguez1346 2 жыл бұрын
I also think Latin is too modern for that.
@MatthewsPersonal
@MatthewsPersonal 2 жыл бұрын
I have always been curious about how mutually intelligible proto germanic and Latin were
@sarahpassell226
@sarahpassell226 2 жыл бұрын
OK, gentlemen, let's put a proto-IE speaker in charge of a match with a native Lithuanian, native Latvian and native speaker of Hindi.
@pristi713
@pristi713 2 жыл бұрын
jackson looks like a professor taking oral exam of the students 😂
@calebmora4831
@calebmora4831 2 жыл бұрын
Looks like a teacher that I'd love to watch
@gaborodriguez1346
@gaborodriguez1346 2 жыл бұрын
Kinda
@Odinsday
@Odinsday 2 жыл бұрын
I mean, that is literally his job lol
@jcavs9847
@jcavs9847 2 жыл бұрын
makes sense
@ScottJB
@ScottJB Жыл бұрын
My intuition is that, considering how difficult Old Norse was for the non-Icelanders, that the modern mutual intelligibility between the continental Scandi languages is due to later intercultural influence over the centuries rather than all the languages being mutually intelligible just through their common root in Old Norse.
@jesperlykkeberg7438
@jesperlykkeberg7438 10 ай бұрын
South Scandinavian language has a common root in Danske Tunge as it was spoken by the vikings in the Danelaw 250 hundred years before Icelandic was a thing. All their villages still have Danish names to this day: Rugby, Baldersby, Arnesby, Hareby, Dalby, Allerby, Stisted, Felsted, Alsager, Overstrand, Riseholme, Birkholme, Marholm, Langholm, Sandtoft, Horning, etc.). There´s no "Old Norse" in the Danelaw. No -Stadur´s there, what so ever.
@TheFloatingBartender
@TheFloatingBartender Жыл бұрын
This is one of the most interesting clips I’ve seen in a while
@JackCoxMSquirrel
@JackCoxMSquirrel 2 жыл бұрын
"The voice of the grandmother echoes in her grandchildren's voices." Absolutely beautiful intro from Jackson.
@voidhunger7514
@voidhunger7514 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I would like to see this sentence written here in all those languages.
@MasterKnutA
@MasterKnutA 2 жыл бұрын
@@voidhunger7514 Norwegian: Ekkoet av Stemmen til bestemoren kunne høres i hennes barnebarns stemmer. I had to change the construction of the sentence. So it'll be more like this: The echo of the grandmother's voice was heard in her grandchildren's voices. We don't really have any words for "echoes". Echo is only a noun in Norwegian, not a verb. Which is an interesting difference. You can only observe the echo, but the echo is a reaction to sound. So nothing can create an echo. Also in Modern Norwegian I would say: Ekkoet av Bestemorens stemme kunne høres i stemmene til barnebarna. Which translates into: The echo of the Grandmother's voice could be heard in the voices of the grandchildren. However, that's a very modern interpretation.
@voidhunger7514
@voidhunger7514 2 жыл бұрын
@@MasterKnutA Tusen takk!
@hryggleysingi433
@hryggleysingi433 2 жыл бұрын
@@voidhunger7514 A litural translation to icelandic: Rödd ömmunnar bergmálar í röddum barnabarna sinna. Rödd means voice. Grandmother means amma, and with "the" it's amman. Amman with the genetive (used mainly to show possession, grandmother's voice) is ömmunnar. Bergmál means echo. Voted the second most beautiful icelandic word for people born before 1987 (yes we held a competition). Berg means cliff or rock face. Mál means language. Language of the mountains. So when you shout in a valley, the mountains shouts back at you. Grandchildren means barnabörn. Barnabörn with the genetive is barnabarna. Literally means childrens childrens. So a grandmothers grandchildren are her childrens children. Sinna shows possession, her grandchildren.
@voidhunger7514
@voidhunger7514 2 жыл бұрын
@@hryggleysingi433 Þakka þér
@user-fb3is4hw6y
@user-fb3is4hw6y 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, Jackson Crawford on Ecolinguist
@Devstvennik2005
@Devstvennik2005 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, buddy
@mauvegrail
@mauvegrail 2 ай бұрын
I'm Welsh, but I speak Danish and I was astonished at how much I understood. Thanks.
@tompaste387
@tompaste387 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating, thank you
@SadGhost97
@SadGhost97 2 жыл бұрын
Haha, Icelander here... Yeah that was very easy. Not only is old Norse very similar to modern Icelandic but we also study it in school. Super interesting to watch! Props to Norwegian and Danish bros for trying their absolute best!
@maxwell9211
@maxwell9211 2 жыл бұрын
I’m curious, to you, does the old Norse just sound like he’s speaking with a weird accent or would it be closer to a modern English speaker reading Shakespeare?
@salvararonkolbrunarson7734
@salvararonkolbrunarson7734 2 жыл бұрын
@@maxwell9211 not even a weird accent just an accent for me personally, some words are outdated but 99% of it is just like listening to an old person.
@SadGhost97
@SadGhost97 2 жыл бұрын
@@maxwell9211 When Jackson (the american im assuming) was reading the sentances it just sounded to me like a foreigner trying to speak Icelandic. Im sure old norse men had a particular accent that would be more difficult for us to understand but on paper it just sounds like formal/poetic Icelandic. Sometimes it's like reading modern icelandic without grammar rules. There are also words here and there that we either don't use anymore or the meaning has changed a bit. Hope that helps! :)
@maxwell9211
@maxwell9211 2 жыл бұрын
@@SadGhost97 yeah definitely helped. I’ve lived in Quebec for a few years so I’d imagine it’s somewhat like a Québécois French speaker, speaking to a French speaker from France
@robinhart984
@robinhart984 2 жыл бұрын
The icelandic has a clear advantage. He's wearing a real icelandic sweater. That's cheating!
@Ambar42
@Ambar42 10 ай бұрын
I was surprised that as a German (native) and English speaker plus beginner in Swedish I could actually decipher some things. The bird names, for example, egg, of course, their, words for wings and fly. I understood the same as the Norwegian with the "the crow stole their eggs" sentence... so, pretty close to its actual translation. That was a proud moment.
@nova278
@nova278 4 ай бұрын
same here
@crispygift
@crispygift Жыл бұрын
As a Finn who unfortunately speaks our second language Swedish very poorly, let alone any of the languages present in this video, I was surprised of the amount I could work out! :)
@andriandrason1318
@andriandrason1318 10 ай бұрын
Perkele
@Oasudude
@Oasudude 2 жыл бұрын
Ecolinguist! You should have totally got a Faroese person in this video! We are in between the Danish and icelantic. I'm by no means an "linguistics' nut" but I understood 95% without the spelling aid. we are of course a small nation but it is very interesting to see the mixing of danish and icelantic(old norse) that happens here :)
@GeosterTrow
@GeosterTrow 2 жыл бұрын
Yes definitely. That is exactly what I thought. (From shetland)
@aakos12
@aakos12 2 жыл бұрын
I would have been very curious to see how much a Faroese speaker is able to understand of these sentences, so thanks for sharing, now I know!:) So I assume you can also understand modern Icelandic?
@geronimodk
@geronimodk 2 жыл бұрын
I'm Danish and I agree, someone from the Faeroes in there would have been really interesting!
@zuai946
@zuai946 2 жыл бұрын
You are not a small nation you are a part of the great kingdom of denmark never forget it.
@Oasudude
@Oasudude 2 жыл бұрын
@@zuai946 what utter BS :P it's like the UK, we are our own sovereign state ;)
@MagnusMoerkoereJohannesen
@MagnusMoerkoereJohannesen 2 жыл бұрын
As a Faroe Islander, these were all really easy, apart from the last one with its bonkers poetic/proverbial syntax :D As for the "áðr en," we've one-upped our Icelandic brothers and sisters, and slammed it into one word: "áðrenn"
@andryuu_2000
@andryuu_2000 2 жыл бұрын
Is faroese intelligible with Icelandic?
@MagnusMoerkoereJohannesen
@MagnusMoerkoereJohannesen 2 жыл бұрын
@@andryuu_2000 Kinda sorta, I guess? Our languages have deviated quite a bit during the centuries. I can't speak for the Icelanders; I don't know how intelligible Faroese is to them, but I do know Icelandic is usually intelligible to Faroe Islanders -if- they make an effort to slow down their speech, and enunciate a bit more clearly than in everyday speech between Icelanders. Reading Icelandic is a piece of cake for most Faroe Islanders, and I'd guess the reverse is true as well.
@axelrafn
@axelrafn 2 жыл бұрын
@@MagnusMoerkoereJohannesen As an Icelander, I love your language. I've had a few roommates through the years that are from the FO and we could speak fairly well to each other in our native languages. There are of course plenty of words that have completely different meanings between the two languages, but nevertheless. Also, reading Faroese is fairly simple for us, with the thought in mind that the words might mean something different. I'd say that of close languages to Icelandic, Old Norse would be in first place and Faroese would be in second place.
@MagnusMoerkoereJohannesen
@MagnusMoerkoereJohannesen 2 жыл бұрын
@@axelrafn Yeah, I was fairly sure the situation was the same on both sides of the language divide, I just didn't want to commit to anything I wasn't absolutely certain of; I've made that mistake before, and that embarrassment was enough :D As for words having different meanings, I'll never forget the look on an Icelandic friend of mine's face, when I told him about one of my favourite stories as a child, Pippi Smokkuleggur 🤣 Shocked and disturbed was putting it mildly! :D
@noi9982
@noi9982 2 жыл бұрын
@@MagnusMoerkoereJohannesen I could tell almost immediately that Pippi Smokkuleggur is just what we call Lína Langsokkur but it's still really funny to me. Pippi Condomleg lol
@felldin
@felldin 10 ай бұрын
I'm always fascinated by Jackson and his knowledge of the nordic languages. Not only does he know the modern variants, but a bunch of the old ones too.
@tjwhite1963
@tjwhite1963 Жыл бұрын
Long-time student of Old and Middle English here, though also with some knowledge of Old Norse and Medieval Scandinavian languages. I actually understood a lot of this. Had a lot of fun, too! Thanks guys!
@percivalyracanth1528
@percivalyracanth1528 2 жыл бұрын
Icelandish guy be smirking the whole time like 'This only sounds like me afi speaking'
@SpeakViking
@SpeakViking 2 жыл бұрын
lol
@Vingul
@Vingul 2 жыл бұрын
afi?
@agustdgames3120
@agustdgames3120 2 жыл бұрын
@@Vingul afi is the Icelandic word for grandfather.
@smirnoff6619
@smirnoff6619 2 жыл бұрын
it's so simple for the icelandic dude that he's like "pff c'mon, i need something harder, at least gimme these sentences in proto-germanic man"
@waterdrager93
@waterdrager93 2 жыл бұрын
Or Swiss-German, nobody understands that.
@Chevymonster203
@Chevymonster203 2 жыл бұрын
I would like to have Simon Roper give some Old English sentences and see if the Icelandic dude can understand them. I would say maybe 50 percent considering Old English used the th sound with the same letter.
@_Executor_
@_Executor_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@waterdrager93 Legit. Swiss German / Can German speakers understand it?
@metalheadcomicbookfan797
@metalheadcomicbookfan797 2 жыл бұрын
@@Chevymonster203 I mean Simon Roper already collabed with Jackson Crawford in a video. They understood each other using Old Norse and Old English so I'm pretty sure Old English would be a piece of cake to the Icelandic guy.
@Chevymonster203
@Chevymonster203 2 жыл бұрын
@@metalheadcomicbookfan797 Well not completely, in old norse around the 1200's they didnt have the w sound. A lot of words in old english use the w sound, old english is more related to East Norse spoken around the 9th to 10th century which I believe Jackson Crawford pointed out in his old norse old english video. I believe the pronunciation changed.
@marialolesen8046
@marialolesen8046 Жыл бұрын
As somebody who speaks fluent Danish(as a fifth language, speaks and understands some Norwegian (especially written), Icelandic is so fascinating to me. And this video is both informative and fascinating to watch
@UPaulD4
@UPaulD4 2 жыл бұрын
Those trills are superb.
@bjrnandreasgundersen4311
@bjrnandreasgundersen4311 2 жыл бұрын
I am norwegian, and i understood way more that this Norwegian guy.
@oyvind1978
@oyvind1978 2 жыл бұрын
Jeg også, sjokkert
@tjhr6612
@tjhr6612 2 жыл бұрын
Den første setningen var jo utrolig enkel! Hvordan er denne fyren en norsk lærer?
@bjrnandreasgundersen4311
@bjrnandreasgundersen4311 2 жыл бұрын
@@tjhr6612 lurte på akkurat det samme. "I dont know this Snorbert" Det er serriøst for dårlig.
@theonemrtom101
@theonemrtom101 2 жыл бұрын
Same here, I was surprised how easy it was to understand
@Jul3s1
@Jul3s1 2 жыл бұрын
Han tror man kan snakke nynorsk og bokmål. Enough said 🥴
@fr3238
@fr3238 2 жыл бұрын
As a Norwegian with a western Norwegian dialect I could understand close to everything in written form, but quite a bit less just pronounced.
@ilche996
@ilche996 2 жыл бұрын
As a swede from the coast of the northern part of Sweden and know the dialect bondska I feel that when I hear it I understand better.
@tordfuglstad1366
@tordfuglstad1366 2 жыл бұрын
As a Norwegian without a dialect I understood most everything. This Norwegian in this video was a really bad representation of our knowledge haha.
@lynxplayz8474
@lynxplayz8474 2 жыл бұрын
@@tordfuglstad1366 how do you not have a dialect? Even østlending counts as a dialect. Unless you speak bokmål, which isn't really possible since it's a written language
@tordfuglstad1366
@tordfuglstad1366 2 жыл бұрын
@@lynxplayz8474 Well, my dialect is very close to straight up Bokmål. So to make it easier for foreigners to understand I said "No dialect".
@ginaxp8807
@ginaxp8807 2 жыл бұрын
@@lynxplayz8474 oslosk lol
@iain.
@iain. Жыл бұрын
Great video and cast.
@hugosavstrom4548
@hugosavstrom4548 Жыл бұрын
It's interesting as a Swede watching this. I think I'm closest to Mic in the level of confusion. I live in the south of Sweden so I often visit Denmark, and I also have Norwegian friends there, so I can try to understand Old Norse from different lingual perspectives
@Kolladiva
@Kolladiva 2 жыл бұрын
I'm an Icelander living in Norway and I speak Danish as well.... I understood everything right away, but I new the Norwegian guy would be in trouble with this... In tha 7 years I have lived here, I have seen that they don't understand old names of places or what their own names mean. It was really easy to learn norwegian because it's so close to old Norse wich is basically old Icelandic...but it is not vice versa, they don't have a clue what we say even though Icelanders seem it's nearly the same sentence
@hb9145
@hb9145 2 жыл бұрын
I think you may fare a little better in western Norway, and while I understand most of the written Icelandic, I have no idea what they say once they start speaking. Too fast to hang on.
@bacicinvatteneaca
@bacicinvatteneaca Жыл бұрын
Sounds like France, a complete loss of awareness of one's linguistical rootsk
@V3ntilator
@V3ntilator Жыл бұрын
You are right when it comes to South Eastern Norway, and parts of middle Norway but as many have said. It's much easier for west coast people to read Icelandic than for anyone else in rest of Norway.
@ayumehirano1894
@ayumehirano1894 2 жыл бұрын
Disclaimer from a Norwegian here: his internet must have been acting up or smth smth, cuz some of these were very understandable by someone who’s a native Norwegian, ESP the first sentence
@norwegianwithtor
@norwegianwithtor 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, yeah I messed up the first sentence. Now I realize how similar it was to Norwegian.
@ayumehirano1894
@ayumehirano1894 2 жыл бұрын
It was a good effort tho!! The last sentences I guessed about the same as you as well :)) Just the first few ones that went well for me, but it might just be our dialects as I live much more South than you!
@norwegianwithtor
@norwegianwithtor 2 жыл бұрын
@@ayumehirano1894 And it was just for fun anyways. I don't represent Norway or anything :)
@ayumehirano1894
@ayumehirano1894 2 жыл бұрын
@@norwegianwithtorof course! What was really fun to see was how close Icelandic to Old Norse was. And honestly, how similar Danish and Norwegian were some places!
@Gist432
@Gist432 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I had no problems understanding it, and i’m not a teacher.
@ermannododaro
@ermannododaro 2 жыл бұрын
Lovely lesson!
@mplovecraft
@mplovecraft Жыл бұрын
For a couple of years I worked with elder care in a small place in Norway that had been quite isolated until "modern times". Many of the elders spoke a hard to understand dialect consisting of many words and expressions from Old Norse. To my surprise I could connect many of them to their English counterparts. While quite challenging in the beginning, it was very interesting and fun learning as much as I could.
@Galenus1234
@Galenus1234 2 жыл бұрын
The Icelandic guy was cheating all the time by simply repeating the Old Norse sentence and calling it Icelandic.
@huuvannguyen4656
@huuvannguyen4656 2 жыл бұрын
Well I mean being fluent in Icelandic in a Old Norse hearing contest is already some kind of advantage
@helgividar
@helgividar 2 жыл бұрын
The Old Norse had a couple of dialects. This one is influenced by Old English and has the ‘th’ sound, written þ and ð and is only found in Icelandic. So the examples are more Old Icelandic than Old Norse spoken in Scandinavia.
@Galenus1234
@Galenus1234 2 жыл бұрын
Some people really seem to miss the sarcasm of my posting... *rolleyes*
@deirdregibbons5609
@deirdregibbons5609 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this. I speak Icelandic and can read some Norwegian and Danish. It was interesting learning the differences. All the participants were really good sports and seemed to be enjoying themselves. It seemes everyone wound up learning something interesting.
@hakanstorsater5090
@hakanstorsater5090 2 жыл бұрын
@@helgividar Aren't both the th-sounds derived from Proto-Germanic, just that they have disappeared in most modern Germanic languages?
@einarkristjansson6812
@einarkristjansson6812 2 жыл бұрын
This was quite a show. As a 73 years old Icelander I must be worried about the future of our language. It's true what Óskar said about our isolation through the centuries, but believe me, I am worried about the future of our language. We have a ''difficult'' grammar and I sense that the young generation is losing its grip on the grammar. So in 30, 40 years my language will be very different from what I learned. I will be dead and gone then. Greetings from Iceland.
@Boguslaw91
@Boguslaw91 2 жыл бұрын
That's why it needs to be preserved as it is a treasure and legacy of our common european history. Me, as a Polish living in Germany, would give much to have the real opportunity to learn it :)
@einarkristjansson6812
@einarkristjansson6812 2 жыл бұрын
@The505Guys True.
@jazzitall
@jazzitall 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your input. And not to worry, as a young one I'll put it on my language list as well :)
@tystimyr
@tystimyr 2 жыл бұрын
@The505Guys It's not so surprising, even without speaking English, pretty much every language is "striving" for efficiency. So in the big picture, almost all languages sooner or later remove difficulties or irregularities (given, sometimes new irregularities come up). This doesn't need to come from language contact, but can just be a sort of simplification. And in that light, it seems only logical that Icelandic would become easier too. But on the other hand, it conserved its complexity for so long, so who knows. I only can say for sure that German is and will be becoming a lot simpler.
@KarryKarryKarry
@KarryKarryKarry 2 жыл бұрын
I was always taught that evolving the language is a good thing since we will never stop being exposed to new things, ideas, concepts and so on. Sure conservatism sounds appealing on paper but it’s really not a natural human state of being to begin with.
@keenanmoukarzel
@keenanmoukarzel 2 жыл бұрын
An awesome video!!!
@aze2099
@aze2099 Жыл бұрын
Would've loved to see a swede on here as well! Hope you make more of these (specifically old Norse that is, I saw you've done it with other languages). It was super interesting!
@jean-francoisdaignault9612
@jean-francoisdaignault9612 2 жыл бұрын
I recognized "meisingar" almost immediately because of the French word "mésange" (titmouse in English), which it turns out is of Frankish (and therefore Germanic) origin. Languages are so fascinating!
@samhalldorsson1102
@samhalldorsson1102 2 жыл бұрын
So did I (because I speak French!). But as an Icelander it was the only word I did not immideately recognize. That is because we don't have any blue-tits or mésanges in Iceland. But we have the word which is (blá)meisa/-meisur.
@1980Amazonia
@1980Amazonia 2 жыл бұрын
german speaker here - "meisingar" is called "Meise" in german, so that was one of the words i recognized
@realcrazyleon
@realcrazyleon 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. When I read that "Meisingar", me being German, I immediately thought of the "Meise".
@MilanM33
@MilanM33 2 жыл бұрын
Also `Mees` (maes) in Dutch. Seems indeed a strong Frankish influence. Even in southern dutch and flamish dialects the words stay the same which could explain a low-franconian origin
@samalarie9767
@samalarie9767 2 жыл бұрын
Being from Québec, that's the first thing that came to mind! Languages are super fascinating and very fun! It's nice to see the similarities!
@sayitinswedish
@sayitinswedish 2 жыл бұрын
BRAVO 👏👏👏👏 I like to thank Norbert for asking me to join. It didn't work out this time but here are my two cents at least: 1. The first sentence was easy, but I interpret Snjór as a name (similar to Snorre). The Swedish sentence would be "Snö föll i skogen". 2. When listening I interpret it as "many birds ... in this forest" ("många fåglar ... i denna skog"). "Þessa" sounds like the "dessa" in Swedish, which is the possessive case, so I just assumed it means "this" which made sense. The Swedish would be "Många fåglar bor i denna skog/den här skogen". 3. First I got "I ... har trä i skogen bygga två ... ... ...". Later I realized that meisingar is mesar in Swedish and after hearing the English translation, everything made sense. In Swedish "nest" is "bo" (lit. "live"). The sentence in Swedish would be: "I det högsta trädet i skogen byggde två mesar sina bon". 4. From the spoken Old Norse I got "I ... stormen kom ... ... deras ägg" but looking at it, it made much more sense. The second part was no problem at all and would be almost the same in Swedish ("stal (en) kråka deras ägg"). The full sentence would be "Innan stormen kom stal en kråka deras ägg". 5. All I got at first was "odin flies" ("oden flyger") which was obviously wrong. From the written sentence I got "med" ("with") and "har" ("has"). The relative clause starts just like in German, so being fluent in German, I should have got that. In contemporary Swedish it's just "som". I also suspected at first that ovin could be "uven" which is an alternative word for "the owl" but it all made sense eventually. The sentence, although being a bit weird, would be as follows: "(En) vän med vingar har den ovän som flyger."
@theo2714
@theo2714 2 жыл бұрын
Jag trodde han ba sket i svenska haha, som svensk vart jag lite sårad
@Z1m0nN
@Z1m0nN 2 жыл бұрын
But birds nest in Swedish is more specifically “rede”, which did make the old Norse "hreiðr" quite transparent for me as a Swedish speaker.
@poihjiohoihoi9605
@poihjiohoihoi9605 2 жыл бұрын
It is a shame you could not join, it would have been great to have a Swedish speaker there as well.
@Rolando95
@Rolando95 2 жыл бұрын
Greetings from Poland. Much love send to my fav country Sweden
@dasmysteryman12
@dasmysteryman12 2 жыл бұрын
It would have been great to hear a Norwegian, Danish, and Swedish speaker talk to each other though - I don't know any videos that have that sort of dynamic.
@ritanassif918
@ritanassif918 Жыл бұрын
What an amazing and interesting conclusion. Wonderful video!
@SpeakViking
@SpeakViking Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching Rita 😀
@PeloquinDavid
@PeloquinDavid 8 ай бұрын
The relationship between Icelandic and Old Norse almost seems like that between Galician and Portuguese - two extant SISTER languages in a position to influence each other... That Icelandic has strayed so little from an 800 year-old Norse PARENT language is truly astonishing and shows, like Jackson says, how important the ability to read the sagas is to Icelandic identity.
@jesperlykkeberg7438
@jesperlykkeberg7438 7 ай бұрын
It´s the other way around. Old Icelandic strayed so far from its iron-age parent language (Danske Tunge) that Icelandic became almost incomprehensable to all other Scandinavians.
@PeloquinDavid
@PeloquinDavid 7 ай бұрын
@@jesperlykkeberg7438 Interesting. If so, that means that from the time of settlement in the 800s or so to the time the sagas were composed (by the early Christian era in the 1200s), the Icelandic language diverged rapidly from its source dialect of Old Norse, only to become ultraconservative and to change very little from the language of the sagas once the latter were written down. If anything, it shows how attached Icelanders are to the sagas.
@jesperlykkeberg7438
@jesperlykkeberg7438 7 ай бұрын
@@PeloquinDavid For all we know it seems to be something of a myth that Icelandic would have been highly more conservative than other Scandinavian languages. From the oldest Icelandic text describing authoritative radical changes in written Icelandic (from -ng to g leading to N-deletion in words such as "margir"), through the import of Germanisms and Romanisms during the late middle ages (Such as "að þurfa"/"þarf" rather than "to need", Danish "nødes" directly from the Elder Futhark "Naudiz"-rune) to the radical changes in the modern era, such as deleting the Z from the Icelandic alphabet in 1972, it seems to me that the history of the Icelandic language is the history of changes. For comparison I will here introduce you to a recipe for nut-oil written in Danske Tunge by the Danish doctor Henrik Harpestræng who died in 1244. This Danish text is older than most of the Icelandic sagas. The exact date is unknown but an essay he wrote in Latin during his youth is dated 1181. The recipe-book also exists written in "Old Norse" (Norrøn) in Ireland, but the early chapters written by Henrik Harpestræng in Danske Tunge is regarded as older. Based on this text, it can be assessed that Danish and continental Scandinavian pronunciation has not changed all that much in the last 800 years. The changes to modern writing seems to have been made to preserve the old vowel pronunciation of weak word-ending consonants (vowel-substitution) arising from the ancient but, to this day, still enforced Danish rule that only one vowel is allowed in each syllable even when the syllable has glide vowels pronunciation. In Danish the vowel is the syllable marker. With very few exceptions the 800-years old text follows the Danish only-one-vowel-per-syllable grammar. Interestingly even Modern English seems to be much closer to Danske Tunge than to any of the so called West-Germanic languages. In fact English seems to be no less closer to Danske Tunge than Icelandic. "Man skal takæ en dysk mæth nutæ kyærnæ oc en æggy skalæ full mæth salt oc en æggy skalæ full mæth het wat oc latæ them samæn i en heet mortel oc stampæ thæt wæl oc writhæ gømæn et klæthæ". Modern Danish: Man skal tage en tallerken med nøddekerner og en æggeskalfuld med salt og en æggeskalfuld med hedt vand og hælde dem sammen i en hed morter og stampe det godt og vride det gennem et klæde. Standard Norwegian: Du må ta en tallerken med nøttekjerner og et eggeskall fullt av salt og et eggeskall fullt av varmt vann og helle dem sammen i en varm morter og banke godt og vri det gjennom et klede. Modern Swedish: Man ska ta en tallrik med nötkärnor och ett äggskal fullt med salt och ett äggskal fullt med varmt vatten och hälla ihop dem i en het mortel och stampa det väl och vrida igenom en trasa. Modern English: Take a plate of nut kernels and an eggshell full of salt and an eggshell full of hot water and pour them together in a hot mortar and pound it well and wring it through a cloth. Modern Icelandic: Taka þarf disk af hnetukjörnum og eggjaskurn fulla af salti og eggjaskurn af heitu vatni og hella saman í heitt mortéli og þeyta vel og þrýsta í gegnum klút. Modern German: Man nimmt einen Teller Nusskerne, eine Eierschale voll Salz und eine Eierschale voll heißes Wasser, gießt beides in einen heißen Mörser, zerstampft es gut und wringt es durch ein Tuch. Modern Dutch: Je moet een bord met notenpitten en een eierschaal vol zout en een eierschaal vol heet water nemen en deze samen in een hete vijzel gieten en goed stampen en door een doek uitwringen. Modern Frisian: Do moatst in plaat mei nutepitten en in aaiskûl fol sâlt en in aaiskop fol waarm wetter nimme en dy byinoar yn in hite moarmer skine en goed klopje en troch in doek wringje. Yiddish: me darf nemen a teler nus kerndlekh aun a shil ful mit zalts aun a shil ful mit heyse vaser aun zey arayngosn in a heysn morter aun es gut klepn aun.
@pappelg2639
@pappelg2639 3 ай бұрын
​@@jesperlykkeberg7438 Danish were not the parent language of icelandic. Old Norse from Norway since Norwegians colonised Iceland, not Denmark. Also Icelandic is closer to Norwegian and Faroese also today. So what you say here makes no sense to me. And of course the reason for Icelandic staying closer to Old Norse is known, and is due to isolation for hundreds of years.
@jesperlykkeberg7438
@jesperlykkeberg7438 3 ай бұрын
@@pappelg2639 "Danish were not the parent language of icelandic. Old Norse from Norway since Norwegians colonised Iceland, not Denmark." Interestingly - except as suffixed definite articles - Icelandic lacks the ancient gendered en/et articles which appears in Scandinavian languages and is attested in the oldest Danish texts and also became the English "a"-article, seemingly directly from the Jutish non-specific pronunciation. These articles were certainly pronounced from the most ancient of times and most surely arose from inverted use of "hin" and "að". Also silent "gender" markers and endings such as the "-R"´s and the "d"´s suddenly became pronounced in Icelandic. These were never pronounced in neither Norwegian, Danish or Frisian, in example: Danish/Norwegian "ven/frænde" and "land". Compare with Frisian "lân" (land). If you regard Old West Norwegian as a different language than Danish, - rather than simply a dialect of Dansk Tunge, - it would merely establish Danish as one of the grandparents or great grandparents of Icelandic. Alternatively you could regard Danish/Jutish as a Mid-Germanic language, rather than a "Norse" language. The Danish language is discussed in the oldest Icelandic text "Fyrsta málfræðiritgerðin" but it doesn´t answer the question whether Danish is regarded a North-Germanic language or not, or even whether Danish included Jutish. Just that Danish was spoken in Southern Scandinavia. Old Icelandic (what you apparently call "Old Norse") changed it´s orthography and pronunciation, deleted prefixes and articles and imported germanisms and anglicized Latin terms, and also lost ancient Danish/Germanic constructions such as "forbuden", - a contraction from Danish "for-bøde-hen-hørende sig" which is preserved in all other Germanic languages (förbjuden - forbidden - verboten) and originally arrived in Old English in the written form "forbeotan". The Vikings in the Danelaw were clearly speaking Danish, except perhaps for a few North Scandinavian mercenaries. Dansk tunge (East Danish) is attested well before Iceland was ever populated, for example in 6th century English place-names in Kent such as Lyminge and Ospringe (with the unique East-Danish/Swedish "-inge"-endings which is not found in Jutland) and Selsted, Oxted (with Old Danish "-steth" pronunciation than "-stadur"-endings) and finally, of course, in Hænrik Harpestrængs writings which are older than most Icelandic sagas, and indeed older than the "Old Norse"-version of the same writings archived in Dublin. The notion that Icelandic didn´t change is a myth. All Germanic languages changed, due to the implementation of new Christian educational norms. We all suddenly had to do as the Romans. Icelandic swapped the Runic alphabet out for Latin letters and changed the function of letters from being word-forming elements (morphemes) to simply becoming phonetic markers (phonemes). Icelandic also at some point decided to read their texts from left to right, and rather than changing the written order to keep the ancient Danish/Jutish (inverted) order of reading, suddenly "Rauða Eiriks Saga" became pronounced in Icelandic as "Eiríks saga rauða". Which, of course, is an absurd order of pronunciation that differs insanely from the other Scandinavian languages who to a larger degree changed their order of writing to fit the traditional order of pronunciation. The idea that the Icelanders were isolated is also a myth. The Icelanders were Christians. The library in Paris ordered the writings of the Icelandic fables to be "written on Christian pergament". The Danish scholar Saxo Grammaticus browsed through the Edda in the library in Paris shortly after they were written. Rather it was simply the implementationt of new Christian writing guidelines following modern European orthographic norms which made the Icelanders invert and chance their spoken language, and shorten and harden their pronunciation of ancient words.
@sunnowo
@sunnowo 2 жыл бұрын
I’m more shocked over the fact that I as a swede could understand the Dane
@loskillo
@loskillo 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I thought the same. I think he was enunciating extremely carefully, which makes Danish sound a little less porridge-y I guess.
@kebman
@kebman 2 жыл бұрын
I heard Swedish and Danish was so close to one another back in the day, that the armies had to force new soldiers to recite nursery rhymes to try to figure out if the new guy was just trying to switch sides when their side was losing. xD
@hasselnttper3730
@hasselnttper3730 2 жыл бұрын
@@kebman Lol that doesn't sound far fetched
@hasselnttper3730
@hasselnttper3730 2 жыл бұрын
Same. Modern Danish usually sounds too German for me as a Norwegian speaker to understand properly.
@tommybrunstad1986
@tommybrunstad1986 2 жыл бұрын
Hahaha svenske faen. Måtte bare få fram det ordet... Du skjønner meg eller kvad
@kekchanbiggestfan
@kekchanbiggestfan 2 жыл бұрын
The norwegian is hopeless lol, as an average norwegian most of these were at least 75% obvious with some weird words here and there. Especially when written down, his guesses were absurd
@zerrierslizer1
@zerrierslizer1 2 жыл бұрын
noke seie meg att han ikkje var en norsk lærar. han oppførte seg ikkje som en ihvartfall.
@IdaTheBraveFace
@IdaTheBraveFace 2 жыл бұрын
@@zerrierslizer1 nu må dokker slutte, vi har faktisk ikje peiling på koffer han ikje klarte å førstå, ting som nervøsitet osv. Erfaring, eller bare kordan man reagere i pressa situasjona. Kor godt han førstår norrønt sir egentli ikje særlig mye om kordan han e som lærer. Æ syns d blir før dumt å snakke stygt om folk, å nordmenn generelt må gje sæg på d å læse sæg nettvætt. (Å æ skriv bevist på dialækt nu)
@zerrierslizer1
@zerrierslizer1 2 жыл бұрын
@@IdaTheBraveFace eg og skrive no på mi eiga dialekt din sau! ka eg synes og ka du synes om han e vitt forskjellige ting, men det betyr ikkje att eg MÅ respektere han for det. helvete og, eg har ikkje noke respekt for lerara på grunn av att dei låste meg vekk berre på grunn av att eg har ADHD isteden for og HJELPE meg. skule systemet i Norge e rævkjøyrt uansett korleis man ser på det.
@user-nk5es9iy8i
@user-nk5es9iy8i 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, as a Norwegian myself this was just embarrassing. Is he hungover or something?
@zerrierslizer1
@zerrierslizer1 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-nk5es9iy8i haha! almost looked like it xD
@KunimunduR
@KunimunduR 6 ай бұрын
More of this please
@funkyfreshtx
@funkyfreshtx Жыл бұрын
this video made me smile.
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