OMEGA Seamaster Diver 300m & TUDOR Black Bay Ceramic. MASTER CHRONOMETER! Apples & Oranges!
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3 жыл бұрын#OmegaSeamaster #TudorBlackBay #Omega #Tudor @OMEGA @TudorWatch
This 4K-video with rich technological depth will show you the difference between the OMEGA Seamaster Diver 300m & the TUDOR Black Bay Ceramic and give you some useful information to better understand the only thing both divers have in common: the Master Chronometer certification by METAS, the Swiss Federal Institute of Metrology.
Comparing OMEGA and TUDOR is like comparing apples and oranges. One cannot compare apples and oranges!
Whilst the OMEGA is a real luxury diver, the TUDOR is a very, very good diver, but not a luxury watch. TUDOR has a clear positioning below ROLEX and you must compare the brand to LONGINES and not OMEGA. OMEGA compares to ROLEX and ROLEX compares to OMEGA. TUDOR does NOT compare to ROLEX, therefore you cant compare TUDOR to OMEGA, with or without Master Chronometer certification.
The METAS Master Chronometer certification is comprehensive and covers the main functional characteristics of a watch including precision, resistance to magnetic fields, waterproofness and power reserve...
Please download the the process of certification of mechanical watches is in accordance with the METAS requirements N001 from the METAS homepage in English: www.metas.ch/metas/en/home/do...
Too much? Ok, here in In brief:
Swiss Made
Certification by the Swiss Official Chronometer Testing Institute (COSC)
Precision at two temperatures (23 & 33 degrees centigrade), in six different positions and at two different levels of power reserve: 100% and 33%
Smooth functioning when exposed to a magnetic field of 15,000 gauss and precision following exposure
Waterproof in accordance with ISO standard
Power reserve checked
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OMEGA SEAMASTER DIVER 300M
Through the case-back glass you see the Omega Co-Axial Master Chronometer Calibre 8806, certified Swiss Federal Institute of Metrology (METAS). Omega offers a worldwide 5-year warranty.
- Diameter : 43.5 mm
- Height : 14.47 mm
- Lug-toLug : 51 mm
- Approx. total weight : 115 g (Based on medium-sized strap)
- Water resistant up to : 30bar (300m/1000ft)
- Case : Black ceramic [ZrO2]
- Dial : Black ceramic [ZrO2]
- Strap : rubber
- Buckle : black ceramic [ZrO2]
- Omega Co-Axial Master Chronometer Calibre 8806, automatic calibre self-winding in both directions
- Watch officially certified by METAS
- Jewels : 35
- Frequency: 25,200 A/h (= 3.5 Hz)
- Power reserve : 55 hours
• Magnetic resistant 15,000 Gauss
• Silicon " Si14 " balance spring
• OMEGA free sprung-balance
• Co-Axial Escapement, 3 levels
• NIVACHOC
- Special luxury finish :
• Rhodium-plated rotor and bridges
• Geneva waves in arabesque
• Blackened screws, barrels and balance wheel
- 5-year warranty
- Delivered with a Master Chronometer certification card, ensuring that the watch has passed the tests certified by METAS.
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TUDOR BLACK BAY CERAMIC
Tudor has successfully submitted its Black Bay Ceramic model for tests to obtain a Master Chronometer certification as part of a constant bid to improve the quality of its products. BRAVO! Well done!! This is the first application of this standard to a watch in the Tudor collection. Tudor offers a five-year transferable guarantee with no registration or periodic maintenance checks required.
CASE
41 mm matt black ceramic case with micro-blasted finish and monobloc middle case
Open case back in black-PVD-treated 316L steel with sapphire crystal
Thickness: 14,7 mm / lug-to-lug distance: 50 mm / weight 106 grams
BEZEL
Unidirectional rotatable bezel in black-PVD-treated 316L steel with 60-minute graduated disc in black ceramic with sunray satin finish and engraved markings and numerals
WINDING CROWN
Screw-down winding crown in black-PVD-treated 316L steel, with the Tudor rose in relief and circular satin-brushed steel winding crown tube
DIAL
Black, domed
CRYSTAL
Domed sapphire crystal
WATERPROOFNESS
Waterproof to 200 m (660 ft)
BRACELET
Hybrid leather and rubber strap with 316L steel folding clasp and safety catch in black PVD-treated 316L steel
Additional black fabric strap with cream band and black PVD-treated 316L steel buckle, included in the box
CALIBRE
Manufacture Calibre MT5602-1U, self-winding mechanical movement with bidirectional rotor system
POWER RESERVE
70 hours
PRECISION
Swiss chronometer officially certified by COSC (Swiss Official Chronometer Testing Institute)
Master Chronometer Certification from METAS
FUNCTIONS
Centre hour, minute and seconds hands
Stop-seconds for precise time setting
OSCILLATOR
Variable inertia balance, micro-adjustment by screw
Non-magnetic silicon balance spring
Frequency: 28 800 A/h (= 4 Hz)
TOTAL DIAMETER
31.8 mm
THICKNESS
6.5 mm
JEWELS
25 jewels
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Please do also read the description of this video... there you will find more technical information and the link too download the process of certification of mechanical watches is in accordance with the METAS requirements N001... I am looking forward reading your comments and answering your questions...
@Ibowers2 3 жыл бұрын
While Tudor may not quite be Omega, I would be very excited and interested to see Longines up their game to match the quality, engineering and design to match Tudor.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Longines' heritage is so huge and the brands history so fascinating ... it is a sleeping giant ... they need to wake him up again ...
@quiterioalbertobaezbenitez5739 3 жыл бұрын
Longines now is performing a group's strategy. They are not independent so they got a clear target. They would release an exclusive model from time to time vindicating that heritage. For sure!.
@bryansmith7490 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, I couldn’t agree more!! Just ordered the Omega black black last week based on your review and can’t wait until it arrives.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
BRAVO! So cool! Thanks for sharing, I am very happy to read this! Please let me know if you have any questions... and PLEASE share some thoughts with us once you have your Seamaster ...
@Dr.Flatts Жыл бұрын
Clicked on this video because I have been considering getting this black black seamaster. Really enjoyed your take on the. As a Longines fan I also found your take on that company interesting. Thank you for the thorough review. I'm now subscribed.
@WatchAdvisor Жыл бұрын
Welcome to WatchAdvisor! Thanks for sharing our passion and your kind feedback! Keep us posted please and let me know if you have any questions…
@degnabp 3 жыл бұрын
Servus Alexander, super gutes Video, sehr gut geworden! Es macht so viel Spaß, sehr unterhaltsam! LG aus Darmstadt! :)
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Danke für Deine positive Rückmeldung, ich freue mich, dass Dir unsere Videos gefallen...
@jch7807 3 жыл бұрын
I am really appreciating the under water testing! Excellent addition to the reviews.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
I am happy to read this and we will continue filming that way as long as possible…
@smoko321 3 жыл бұрын
WatchAdvisor is not afraid to tell it like it is! Longines definitely has the history to be placed higher than its current segment, especially in regard to chronographs.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
I very much hope that Tudor woke up the sleeping giant 😉
@omarion07 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you Alexander. Omega is on a different league to Tudor. But don't you think Rolex HQ used METAS certification as marketing tactic to suffocate Omega? And you're right, Swatch group can counter attack by "waking Longines up" and put the pressure back on Tudo. As to Rolex vs Omega, I currently own the 124300 OP and the build quality is very similar to the SMP 300. But I still believe Rolex is ahead in terms of "brand recognition" and "market share" and I don't think sales figures lie. Rolex have been market leaders since 2008, years before this "artificial" and "social media" hype.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Of course this was a tactical play against the Swatch Group! Jean-Fred Dufour is a brilliant strategist! He really understands his business. Since Rolex cant use the expression Master Chronometer on its dial they let Tudor do it and therewith "attack" Omega ... But this alone is of corse not enough ... this does not define a luxury watch ... it guarantees a superior quality ... Rolex was and is ahead in terms of brand recognition, that's right ... but now the business is artificially hyped by some greedy ADs together with their flippers and resellers... Thats a very lucrative business! Everybody participating though from the buyers side is an idiot IMHO!
@petem3209 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, Alex. The first comment I have to make is that the PVD surfaces on the Black Bay will not age well. The first time any of those surfaces get knocked hard enough or scratched, it will expose the stainless steel underneath, ruining the total black aesthetic of the watch. The Omega on the other hand, made totally out of ceramic, much like it's Dark Side of the Moon cousin. Another impressive aspect is the differing shades of black and the alternating polished / brushed surfaces on the Seamaster. Much like the DSOTM, it's done perfectly. Black Bays are great in their own right but Omega Seamasters are "next level" watches IMO. Also, if Longines were to upgrade the the Hydroconquest Ceramic model to a chronometer, it would pose a serious challenge to the Black Bay. It's noteworthy that the Longines has a ceramic crown and bezel already, a well conceived model that could reach the next level if Longines chose to move in that direction.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
The Longines also features a ceramic dial 😉 Thanks for sharing your (so true) thoughts and our passion!
@SJCB27 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the Hydroconquest Ceramic is a cracking value proposition but that fugly date window completely ruins the otherwise perfect aesthetic!
@neilmartin7776 8 ай бұрын
I'm late to this video, but thanks for posting, Alexander. I've been looking at both the Tudor and the Omega Black Black (which in the metal is surprisingly legible). The Tudor is stunning, possibly the only Tudor I'd consider, and for the price it can't be beaten - but the Omega really is something else... Hopefully as they come onto the secondary market, they'll be a little more affordable. I also agree that Swatch needs to let Longines do what it does best (which for me is reinterpretations of its amazing back catalogue). Swatch also needs to let Breguet loose too - maybe both will end up in management buyouts like Girard Perregaux and Ulysses Nardin? I'm looking forward to those two brands' futures, and if Longines and Breguet followed suit, the results could be incredible. Anyway, keep up the great content!
@WatchAdvisor 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and passion with us! I keep my fingers crossed...
@afromalone Жыл бұрын
Really great video!
@WatchAdvisor Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing our passion and your kind feedback!
@blvanck 2 жыл бұрын
I am thinking to either one of them and this video is perfect!
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome! Let me know if you have questions and later please tell us which one made it on your wrist…
@vladislavbeloshapka3883 3 жыл бұрын
I feel Swatch Group needs people like yourself and Jean Claude Biver to respond properly to the punch of Rolex Group (with this Tudor's Master Certification). Frankly, I do not think a wake up from Longines would be sufficient answer. Omega should look for their own creative ways to start preventing customers from sticking to a Rolex's hype. In other words, Swatch Group should get not only a timely defense but strong offense.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
I take it as a huge compliment to be named in the same context with Jean-Claude Biver. Thank you!
@bensmith4666 3 жыл бұрын
That Omega Ω is just fire 🔥 I can’t believe how much I love it 😍
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Well, that's sounds like a potential buyer ... 😉 Please, let me know if you have any questions...
@bensmith4666 3 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor I’m currently looking at a 36mm Rolex explorer for my 40th but you keep posting this this beautiful Omega Ω and turning my head 😀
@AlanHe12 3 жыл бұрын
Great video Alex, and absolutely agree with your point that Omega is just a more luxurious brand than Tudor overall. I’d love to see Longines begin to step up their game to truly match up too.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Longines should be woken up and released from its "prison" ... The brand has such a rich heritage and impressive history ... there is HUGE potential ...
@house54ay89 3 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor Hi Alex, why not Rado 😊👍
@adamcrossfire4747 3 жыл бұрын
Completely agree Alex. It’s interesting when you see the 2 watches side by side you can see the difference in quality. I’d love Longines to be able to fight Tudor, with so much history and backing they could make some incredible watches
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Swatch Group must wake up the sleeping giant! Longines has such an incredible heritage and history….
@JJ_Forza 2 жыл бұрын
This is a very very good review my friend, some interesting takes for sure. Thank you
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your feedback! Tudor is on its way … getting better and better… Longines does the same by the way … is getting better and better… both brands do have the potential to put the upper mid-range segment in a state of turmoil …
@JJ_Forza 2 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor I can’t see Longines competing with Tudor, but as a brand it’s probably where they should be. Tudor isn’t Omega I agree but with offerings such as this, their innovation certainly isn’t hindering them from competing with the like. After having one in hand, would you recommend the Tudor ceramic? I’d have it on the nato personally. Thanks
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
You should definitely check out Longines, you will be surprised!!! The quality Longines delivers today is mind blowing! Has nothing to do with what you obviously have in mind… Would I recommend the Tudor? If you like it - and that seems to be the case - yes of course. That’s a real good watch! Wearing it with a Nato is also what I would do…
@JJ_Forza 2 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor I really do like this ceramic Tudor, but I’ve heard Tudor customer care isn’t the best and it’s off putting, but it is definitely under consideration still
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
@@JJ_Forza What have you heard? Can you specify? I am not aware of any issues with the customer care of Tudor…
@dgarrido3381 2 жыл бұрын
Alexander your analysis is spot on!
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙏🏻! I also continue to deliver more arguments through answers to comments posted…
@JL-OnwardandUpward Жыл бұрын
I own both of these beauties and love them both.
@WatchAdvisor Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@paulbellas8797 Жыл бұрын
I bout a black bay 925 over an omega seemaster. I initially was favoring the omega but it started to wear on me because it seamed a bit over styled. I didn’t see myself wearing it every day. Lovely watch and more work went into making it. Better movement for sure
@WatchAdvisor Жыл бұрын
Well done, I always say: let your heart decide, it won’t lie…
@BHNEOH 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome take on the Longines taking the game to Tudor, this for sure will make the industry more exciting for everyone, especially us watch addict. Omega is still the alpha brand that one can buy at AD price. Love both brand equally. Alexander, I am sure the CEOs will take note of your advice.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
It is only logical what I have been saying in that video ... Longines' heritage is so huge and the brands history so fascinating ... it is a sleeping giant ... they need to wake him up again ...
@house54ay89 3 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor Hi Alex why not bring out the Ducati from Swatch Group (RADO) The Master's of Materials ⌚ I understand the heritage from Longines but the designs are too classical not sporty enough. The Rado CC CERAMIC is a bold move from Rado 👍 was think when this will happen and I am impressed with the decision to have a semi see through dial 😍 Better then I imagine it would be🥰❤️ I applaud Tudor's move on releasing the BB in all material choices 😉and upping their standards 👍, not just swapping movements with Breitling 🤣 I respect the shield 🛡 protecting the crown 👑 in many ways, segment, pricing, quantity, etc. Interesting times for the watch industry. Tudor is honouring Rolex's mission as a tool watch for the people. I respect that more when Tudor are trying to up their game. But the quality of Tudor watches, really needs to be in check. As I've seen and experienced too many issues with Tudor movements, I'm a little upset with my experience and journey. 😢 All that time, money, efforts and connections to get the watch and I can't enjoy my prized possession 🥺😢😭 These experiences really do affect my choices to select Tudor for my next goal watch. It's tempting, but hard to pull the trigger 😢 Not to mentioned the procedures and steps and hassles to get it serviced and to have it receive back in a no so kind way 🙄 For servicing I've always experienced happy and positive attitudes from Swatch Group of companies. They never ceases to amaze me on the level of finishing and care and service of their services. It's the company you can rely on always and every time. 😎👍 That's why I really do agree that Omega is a way superior quality product compared to Tudor. Now, that being said, Omega has to up its game too to impress us more. Since there's more players in the game 😊😉😁 Side by side with the Crown, yes but overall I feel for the quality, it's still a little higher compared to the branded old crown. It's sad to see that the People don't realize what they are missing out, on the real good stuff when they are all drawn to the King 😂🤣🤣 Pss 🤫(THE REAL KINGS = PP, JL, AL, GP, VC) too next level for the ordinary 🤣 too unfortunate 😜 maybe one day 😊💯 AL 😉👍 Humm... Maybe JaquetD 🤩😍 Well I guess it's a good thing too for us 😜🤫🤫 keeping the prices reasonable and quantity available for the real watch lovers 😘⌚
@brianolivo1835 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, I have always been confused by people comparing Tudor to Omega. Both offer amazing products that I would happily own but apples and oranges says it all. Not so obvious watches (nsow) has made similar arguments to yours here that resonated with me similar to your video here.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your feedback! I believe that we should call a spade a spade ... that helps a lot ... 😉
@drloch 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Totally agree with your opinion about the relative tiers of brands (Longines and Tudor; Omega and Rolex). And for some reason I am in the Swatch camp. I think a Longines and Omega collection would be perfect.
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Bravo! Let me know if you have any questions...
@garyhaddock7264 3 жыл бұрын
Alexander, as others have said, common-sense and no non-sense commentary as per usual; excellent!
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! I am happy to read this... always let me know if you have any questions ...
@watcheskick 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t even compare them. One is twice the price of the other! Apples and oranges indeed. Both great watches in their own right
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Bravo to Tudor to have done it! But NO to those who now think they can compare Tudor to Omega therefore ... Tudor is a damn good watch and now Longines must (and for sure will) do its homework!
@watcheskick 3 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor agree that Tudor used to be miles away from what Omega is in terms of quality and prestige. But I have to admit Tudor recently is slowly but surely gaining popularity and improving in quality. They are even venturing into areas their Rolex are not even looking at. Omega has to keep a close watch at Tudor and continue to innovate in order to stay ahead of them, this sister brand of Rolex is one to look out for! Competition drives innovation and its great news for us consumers and collectors ! :)
@impexRQ 3 жыл бұрын
@@watcheskick I don’t think Omega needs to watch Tudor (they aren’t in the same league ) Omega is comparing and competing against Rolex
@watcheskick 3 жыл бұрын
@@impexRQ yes not right now I agree. But seeing how fast Tudor are innovating and improving at the moment i wouldn’t be resting on my laurels. Rolex has and always will be the king at their price point for the foreseeable future if status quo.
@impexRQ 3 жыл бұрын
@@watcheskick depends how you define “King” for the average absolutely… for the top? It’s questionable as you have Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet, A Lange & Sohne and so on …
@Geniusclicks 2 жыл бұрын
There is one thing people over look 👀 with Tudor. They add a sense of nostalgia & warmth of vintage to their watches. The use of silver & bronze to celebrate the aging of a watch. With the BB ceramic they added stainless to certain parts to allow that aging and patina to come in. To keep it 100% ceramic would make it cold 🥶
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
The Tudor is a hybrid, a wannabe … the Omega a FULL ceramic watch … tastes are different ….
@Ti-sq8jm 2 жыл бұрын
I am SO happy that Arnold Schwarznegger has started reviewing watches!!!! GET TO THE CHOPPER!
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
Are you referring to my accent? What else should I have in common with Arnie? 😜
@Ti-sq8jm 2 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor hahah. Yes. I love it! “Who is your daddy, and what does he do?” Haha.
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ti-sq8jm Why are you asking? By the way, my dad passed away several years ago…
@Ti-sq8jm 2 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor oh. I am sorry to hear that. I wasn’t asking a question though, I was quoting Arnold from “kindergarten cop.”
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ti-sq8jmNo worries! I am not that familiar with the movie … No worries!
@impoautosguatemala9847 Жыл бұрын
Perfect just perfect review, agreed on everything.
@WatchAdvisor Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing our passion and your kind feedback!
@SJCB27 2 жыл бұрын
A fascinating and thought-provoking video and you are absolutely right, Alex; both are exceptional pieces. However - and I’m a huge Omega fan - if you offered to GIVE me the Black/Black OR the Tudor AND £3K, I’d take the latter all day long. To charge over £7K, Omega really need to put a full-fat, double-barrelled motor in the Black/Black. BTW; great explanation of METAS testing!
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
Well that’s your choice… Note that the price of the Omega is totally ok. It is a full ceramic diver in a state of the art luxury finish, whilst the Tudor is a partly ceramic diver in a good, but absolutely not comparable finish… Omega is a high-end luxury brand just as Rolex is, Tudor is set/designed to be in the luxury middle-field… Just because they were able to certify one watch as a Master Chronometer this does NOT mean they therewith have reached the Omega quality-level…
@SJCB27 2 жыл бұрын
WatchAdvisor ...Wow, you are certainly on your soap box with this subject, Alex! All I'm saying is that, to justify the price, I'd be wanting an 8912 motor in there and not the very good but run-of-the mill 8806. Chill out, Man... Don't bite my head off. Have a great weekend, Regards, Si.
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
If you think I did … 🤷🏼♂️ Apologies!
@mtbkmaniac1 Ай бұрын
That was really informative and well done! Thank you. At 18:22, when you said, regarding the Omega, " There is enough emission at night, light emission, to be able to read the time! " I thought you were going to say, " to be able to read the newspaper. "
@WatchAdvisor Ай бұрын
Thanks for kind feedback and for sharing your thoughts with us… like your humor 😉
@joseoliver534 Жыл бұрын
2 days ago a go to choice between these 2 watches and i choise omega because she is too much beautifull,after to try the tudor,when i see and try the blacj black omega i don t want to return this marvelous watch and i have since to days . I love my black black. Experience to jose from bangkok
@WatchAdvisor Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! Do also check my other comment… 😉
@daledevernon56 3 жыл бұрын
The clear winner here is the Omega.. As always, great show. Keep up the good work.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Omega simply plays in another league ... Bravo to Tudor to have done it though!
@N7Sound 3 жыл бұрын
I'm sure Swatch is going to get Longines ready to compete with Tudor. Tudor has no competition right now and we need some competition to get entry level to the Next Level. The 1000-3000€ segment is amazing and so underrated. Some of us just don't have the money to afford +5000 watches.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Correct! You nailed it! It needs that competition in-between Longines and Tudor to stimulate that very attractive segment even more... BRAVO!
@N7Sound 3 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor It's kinda strange, because right now Rado and Longines are in the same segment and here is where Swatch has to make a decision: one of the two brands needs to get a bit more expensive (2000-4000€) and the other one to cover the 1000-3000€ price range. In my opinion Rado should be the most afforadble and Longines the more premium, because of all it's heritage and the power of the brand.
@richardman28 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the review. I have both of these and I actually prefer wearing the Tudor because it is more versatile for my everyday life. The omega is more refined and you are right you cant compare the 2 watches but then again they are 2 different brands and look so why would you? Another difference about these 2 watches is that the Tudor is limited supply and is very hard to purchase whether as the omega can be purchased easily. Great in depth review as always Alexander. Thank you
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting read, thanks for sharing! Do you actually own exactly these two watches?
@richardman28 3 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor I actually have both of these watches. I originally purchased the omega first. I actually own a few omegas such as the speedmaster sapphire sandwich and the snoopy sliver anniversary (which I have paid for and not recieved yet) and other vintage pieces. But when my AD phoned me up for the Tudor knowing I collect Tudor watches (I own GMT, P01, bb58 navy and few vintage pieces like a prince) as well I couldn't resist. I prefer the bigger case and it was a no brainer for me and also mentas approved, ceramic bezel for that price is incredible. Tudor have been experimenting with different metals and materials in the last few releases in their black bay range. As I said it is more of an easier wear in my daily life hence why I wear it more often. I do agree with you that the omegas are more refined but I think both pieces have their own niche. I wouldnt say the levels of these 2 pieces are that far apart. I wouldnt say the omega is twice better quality than the tudor (omega price is more than twice the price of the tudor). The price is what it is and if you like it enough then you pay it if you have the money for it. I am not a Tudor fan boy, I have been collecting watches for over 20 years from non luxury to high end and independents. From Japanese, swiss, german and English brands. From modern to vinatge. I just love watches. Just adding my opinion about these 2 time pieces. It's nice to have different opinions whether we agree or not. That's the beauty of our hobby.
@house54ay89 3 жыл бұрын
@@richardman28 Your answer is the best out of all comments here. Really appreciate your thoughts 👍 Love the way you describe it 😉👍 Yah it's the beauty about our outdated hobby 😍
@richardman28 3 жыл бұрын
@@house54ay89 thank you for reading my comment. Our hobby have had many different collectors since the day I was collecting. Some for the wrong reasons. Enjoy this hobby and I think it is wrong to pitch some brands over others. Every brand has a lot to offer still whether they are affordable or high horology. At the end of the day, buy what you like and enjoy as they are mechanical toys at the end of the day and not to buy what other people like or the hype. Remember collecting should be fun and create sentimental journeys with your time pieces. I wish you all the best in your collecting journey. Remember you cant change time, but you can choose how to read it. All the best..
@gyang333 2 жыл бұрын
Do you think Longines is held at a lower price point, because Swatch Group is worried it would cannabilize sales from Omega?
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
Of course! Only when Omega moves upwards Longines will too…
@FMAlchemst 3 жыл бұрын
Omega Black Black worth the price!
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
When you consider all the details being taken care of and the all over quality of that Omega the price is correct ...
@hathaway.1166 2 жыл бұрын
Funny how everything looks much better in black lol. That Omega is sooo cool.
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
Black is always a good choice! The all ceramic Omega is a stunning beauty offering incredible facets one must discover. The attention to details and the make is incredible ...
@christoph9946 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Alexander, thank you for the true comparison. How did the black watches behave in the sun? Black absorbs sunlight and coverts it into heat- simplified described. A jump into cool water may stress the material and tightness. Are there any experience with ceramic diving watches?
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Watchmanufacturers do extensive testing before releasing a new watch… the behavior in the sun is known and heat/cold tests are done… Used under normal conditions a ceramic watch will not cause any problems … above and under the water… but it is ceramic and if it drops from a certain height and lands in a certain angle it may break…
@christoph9946 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the detailed answer. Are there any references to read about such tests?
@bbrebozo6417 3 жыл бұрын
Uptick watch reviews bought the Tudor and it froze up on him. He claimed he didn’t treat it harshly (like golf or tennis). Tudor might have a few bugs to work out with this movement (like they had to with the GMT’s date window).
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Well we don't know the exact circumstances, the why and how and ... and ... Interesting though...
@JohnnyLee-ki3dl Жыл бұрын
I have both brands. Omega bezel is very holo and difficult to grip. The helium escape value is pointless design and the stainless steel bracelet is too thick plus the no taper bracelet is a huge let down. The Tudor dive watches have the best 60 clicks bezel sound period and the power reserve on the Tudor watches are longer 70 hrs vs 55hrs omega. The omega finishes are better than Tudor. The omega has a richer history with 007 and space speedmaster moon watch. However Tudor is the rising brand and I loving all the new models from Tudor.
@WatchAdvisor Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@andres5919 2 жыл бұрын
If you could choose only one Tudor watch, which one would be the definitive one? Which one would be the special tudor watch ?
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t tell you… Didn’t think about that yet…
@ronaldrim 2 жыл бұрын
BB58 bronze!
@merc7paul 2 жыл бұрын
I'm comparing this with the omega because omega and the Tudor is what I'm leaning to buy, so yes they are comparable and Tudor is getting more and more upmarket over time
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
Well please share some thoughts with us once you decided and let us know why you choose either the Omega or Tudor… Let me know if you have any questions…
@scottlalonde2878 Жыл бұрын
Great review, Alexander, thank you. Guess I'm a vanilla guy, I prefer the regular steel BB41 blue bezel and steel black dial SMP300M. But hey everyone's different thank goodness 🙂👍
@WatchAdvisor Жыл бұрын
I hear you! Good choice! Thanks for sharing…
@ryanhoff8702 Жыл бұрын
Lucky man. I’m about to pull the trigger on one only. What would you do if you could only have one for “every” scenario. The BB ceramic or the smp. Would appreciate your opinion as hard to find someone with both
@scottlalonde2878 Жыл бұрын
@@ryanhoff8702 Sorry Ryan: my post implys I have these watches. I don't. I guess, asthetically speaking, I prefer these 2. I've been tempted by both, more the Omega, but I'd have to sell my Datejust to get it, and can't bring myself to do it. Yet. Hope you enjoy whichever one you go with.
@peatfugu666 3 жыл бұрын
it's look like dark grey black but actually i thought better than Tudor black bay on the black color. Great video and thx for sharing.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your feedback and for sharing your passion with us!
@zaf240489 2 жыл бұрын
As a brand, Omega & Tudor is on par in my eyes. Of course Rolex is a step up. Brilliant video.
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
Omega and Tudor play in different leagues… Sorry to contradict! Omega compares to Rolex and Rolex to Omega… Tudor compares to Longines and Longines to Tudor. Please forget the artificial created hype around Rolex and Tudor … it is only greedy business … open your eyes and just compare the product … then you will understand
@affegorilla1299 2 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor so true! This Rolex hype got out of control! To many pseudo watch enthusiasts around. No clue at all but buying Rolex 50-100% above list prices just to show off…
@OptionsAnonymous 3 ай бұрын
Omega doesn’t compete with Rolex. Rolex is on its own level. Omega and Tudor are very comparable brands, both luxury brands with excellent watches.
@brianhsin678 4 күн бұрын
I own all three brands. Rolex has more brand equity, omega has equal quality, Tudor is not even in the same conversation. I also have jlc and ap which is yet another level up.
@RG-pg3bb 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, great video! However, coming back to the Tudor vs. Longines comparison. I mean is it truly comparable? Agree price-value is massive on both ends. But still, the MT5602 caliber is an in-house movement with METAS certification. I'm not a Longines expert at all, so what can you tell me about their calibers? In my opinion they don't come anything near in terms of quality and certification. Plus: I want to have it all in-house manufactured in one go. If I start to go for patchwork watches, I can go for a BM Riviera instead of a 5711... Thanks anyways and also for any comments that might pop up!
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
You will get my detailed answer later today … it is 01:17 a.m. and I need to go to bed now…
@RG-pg3bb 2 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor Haha take your time! Will pick up my Tudor Ceramic only this Monday so no pressure :p
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
First of all congratulations to your Tudor! You bought a VERY, VERY good watch that on top is Master Chronometer certified. Why did I say/write that Tudor compares to Longines and not Omega? These are facts! Just because Tudor is able to certify one single watch as a Master Chronometer does not mean it has achieved the all over luxury quality level of Omega. The compared Omega ceramic Seamster definitely plays in another league ... Tudor in terms of all over quality compares to Longines. But Longines has not yet launched its Master Chronometer certified watch(es). If you correctly listened to what I said in the video, then you know that I encouraged Longines to do the next step since Tudor now is challenging the brand. Besides the fact that Tudor now has a little advantage the all over quality of Longines and Tudor is still at the same level. If you are not aware of this, please go and check some Longines out. The calibres delivered from ETA to Longines are in-house tailor made. Longines reserves its own calibres at ETA and pays for them, as all the other Swatch Group brands do as well. ETA is the groups movement manufacturer and sells exclusive, brand specific in-house calibres to the brands of the group. Many are not aware of this, but the structure of Swatch Group has changed... ETA is no longer ETA as we knew it ... Now we will have to wait if Longines will give an answer to Tudor. Omega still compares to Rolex and Rolex to Omega ... nothing changed here...
@vgcamara 2 жыл бұрын
The biggest difference is the technology. Omega has a co-axial escapement invented by one of the best watchmakers in history George Daniels. The Tudor has indeed a great movement but because both are METAS certified doesn't mean they're the same. Both great watches anyway
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
Well said! Thanks for sharing!
@yaaxarr8977 3 жыл бұрын
Please instruct us: Is METAS comparable to Superlative Chronometer? If not which one is better. Ty Alexander for an amazing video. I do love also Longines and I find those the last lux watches easy to achieve and great ones.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
This is something I don't know! Rolex does not communicate what additional tests are done with the entire watch after the movement comes back from its 14 days of testing by COSC... The only thing we know is that the precision is improved to -2/+2 seconds ... The expression "Superlative Chronometer" can mean a lot, but I doubt that a Rolex would withstand 15.000 gauss ...
@yaaxarr8977 3 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor told you! You know your stuff very well. I like Rolex and Omega but prefer the second one all the way ! 🙏🏻I found the following:" Rolex also adds its own stricter requirements to those of the COSC for every mechanical watch it produces. Its “Superlative Chronometer” label requires an average daily rate between -2 and + 2 seconds per day when cased, tested in seven static positions and on a rotating rack simulating real life wear, performed over a period of 24 hours. Water resistance is checked with all standard models being taken to their rated depth plus 10% in water bath and divers models tested to plus 25% of their rated depth. Rolex even has a special high-performance tank that can simulate the pressure at 4,875 metres (16,000 feet) below sea level (that’s the 3,900 metres water resistance for the Deepsea model plus 25%).The self-winding function and power reserve are also monitored as part of the testing requirements. Rolex make no specific mention of any magnetism requirements that their movements undergo, and the testing process is somewhat of a secret, but they have been producing their Milgauss watch, which is resistant to 1,000 gauss, since 1956, so we can be sure that their standards are strict."
@mrp9498 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve owned 5 new Omegas since 2015 and all have run inside the +\-2 spd despite not being superlative chronometer.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
@@yaaxarr8977 Yes, this is the basic stuff and published of course… but the in-depth facts are not known … e.g. magnetism as you mentioned …
@TheLamyan35 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Alexander again. Tudor black bay same case design. Pvd outside crematik. Save money Tudor. Price cheap ,omega more better crematik lot of time they made this case ,dark side of the moon .so easy for swatch group. I like omega fight rolex again.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
The Tudor is a partial ceramic watch with lots of SS 316L parts, the Omega is a full ceramic watch ... YES!!!
@kostasp1137 2 жыл бұрын
💯 agree that Longines is a brand that has massive potential.
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! Now near step must be to certify watches as a Master Chronometer… Not all, but the top range should …
@troysutton6439 2 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor l love what longines is bring to the table... there spirit line is amazing...so much better than tudor.
@stevenkim3998 3 жыл бұрын
If you have one top daily watch, which one do you suggest Tudor BB58 blue or Tudor BB Ceramic?
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
The BB58 blue once it is Master Chronometer certified…
@stevenkim3998 3 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor Thanks for reply. Keep waiting for Tudor x Marine National
@vagos290189 2 жыл бұрын
How could you compare a Tudor with in-house mvt with Longines without inhouse?
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
You should read some comments here posted… then you will understand…
@vagos290189 2 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor Longines and Tudor are in different leagues. The whole Tudor manufacture is COSC , what about Longines ?
@mantiq7768 2 жыл бұрын
Do you think Ball watches can compete with Tudor? (or have the potential to do so more than Longines - I don't see Longines as good as you do by the way but I'll take your point for now on that).
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
No, Ball can for sure not! Longines quality is underestimated, this is why you can’t imagine how good these watches are…
@mantiq7768 2 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor what do you mean can for sure not?
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
@@mantiq7768 No, Ball cannot compete with Tudor/Longines...
@petem3209 3 жыл бұрын
Alex, forgot to ask, does the MC designation on the Tudor also mean it's as anti-magnetic as the Omega to 15,000 gauss? If not, the Omega has another edge on the Tudor. My anti-magnetic Omegas are wonderful, I never have to worry about where I set them down.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
There is ONLY one Master Chronometer certification by METAS! Yes, 15.000 gauss are part of the testing ... Watch that part of the video again where I explain the testing ...
@petem3209 3 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor Thanks!
@Geniusclicks 2 жыл бұрын
As a whole Tudor isn’t better than omega BUT some Tudor watches are better. Ceramic being one of them 😁🔑 1. 70hr power reserve is > than 55 hours 2. 28000vps is < 25000vps. It is noticeable on the sweep. 3. Open case back shows internals are also black on the Tudor. Movement has also been blacked out.
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting thoughts! The make and the all over quality of this Omega are by no means comparable to Tudor - sorry! The 15 hours power reserve more don’t change this, as well as the lower A/h of 25.200 (Omega uses a technically more advanced Co-Axial escapement) and that mentioned see-through case back…
@Geniusclicks 2 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor and the helium escape valve 🤷🏼♂️. Now! If the railmaster were ceramic it would b no question.
@Geniusclicks 2 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor please state the facts in how Omega ceramic is better than Tudor ceramic? Coaxial 📝✅ 300M vs 200m ✅. Not that it matters past 100M, maybe a sign of durability.
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
@@Geniusclicks Please watch the video to discover that the Omega is a FULL ceramic watch, whilst the Tudor only a partly ceramic watch…
@Geniusclicks 2 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor with the option to buy both, I chose the BB Ceramic. The Tudor is FULLY ceramic except for the ring around the ceramic bezel insert, the crown, the case back around the the open case back glass & the buckle. But that was done on purpose to give the watch the warmth & patina Tudor watches are known for. Like the bronze 58 you own.
@Mixali88 3 жыл бұрын
All I could think of is the Longines Hydroconquest Full Ceramic case! My next purchase! They are such a “secret” bargain compared to Tudor✌🏻☕️ Love the video as always
@omarion07 3 жыл бұрын
I had the Hydroconquest (stainless steel and ceramic bezel), and I currently own BB58 blue dial. I'm speaking from personal experience and not heresy... built quality of BB58 case and bracelet is superior to Hydroconquest. Bezel rotation is much more crisp with zero play .. bezel action on Hydroconquest is wobbly. Also bracelet and cl.asp on BB58 is much more refined. But then again BB58 is € 2000 more than stainless steel Hydroconquest.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
I only heard positive things about the quality of the full ceramic Hydroconquest ... I wouldn't compare its quality to the standard ones ...
@lesgillard1508 3 жыл бұрын
Very informative well thought out views....and all watches you showed were loverly to say the least The GREY GREY, in my opinion is the most striking. The Tudor, a defonate value for money proposition. Regard from COVID lockdown NSW...;-(
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
It was important to talk about the one common thing the two brands share: the Master Chronometer certification. Tudor has shown that is able to manufacture damn good watches and sell them for reasonable money, but is therefore nowhere near comparable to Omega ...
@lesgillard1508 3 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor as usual you are right. Maybe thats why your so good at your job ;-) Have you got ypur SNOOPY yet? If so how about a look?
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
I have my Snoopy of course... I got it begin of February ...
@lesgillard1508 3 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor Alexander, why not do a video of it? :-) maybe some of the viewers might be interesyrd in you opioion, as an owner of a unique piece. Just a thought ;-)
@kashyapteja3447 3 жыл бұрын
Perfect watch to wear in an overcast and winter weather conditions here in Michigan.. lol
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Which one?
@kashyapteja3447 3 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor I would pick the Seamaster between the two. Because: 1) I already have a Tudor-GMT in my collection (I had to pick between GMT and Seamaster and bought the GMT) 2) I like Omega for the well decorated movement and I don’t have a co-axial movement in collection yet. I don’t consider Tudor’s bead blasted movements is traditional finishing. It’s rugged industrial at best.
@coffeeboyclips1973 3 жыл бұрын
Longines makes far more interesting and better looking watches than Tudor. The only watch I can think of is the black bay when it comes to tudor and they've made so many variations of the same watch it's getting boring now.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Longines has such an interesting heritage and looks back on a fascinating history ... there is so much potential ... I hope the Swatch Group management releases the brand out of its artificial prison ...
@ronaldrim 2 жыл бұрын
Why are you only focused on the BB Ceramic when comparing the 2 brands? I understand that there was much talk about the meta certification being basis of comparison, but do you feel that the same goes for other models in the BB line up? What are your thoughts for example about the BB58 bronze or silver and their comparable Omega counterparts? Also, agree that the finish on Omega is better, but the price disparity reflects this don't you think? Bigger question I would like to get your thoughts on is whether you think Tudor has ability and daring to continue to take it to the next level and truly compete with Omega on the fit and finish level?
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
I compare these two because fanboys began to yell that now Tudor is at the level of Omega… and this simply isn’t the case… none of them compares to an Omega and never will… Omega’s calibres are ALL Master Chronometer certified and the all over quality and the attention to little detail is simply stunning… Only Rolex compares to it…
@ronaldrim 2 жыл бұрын
Ahhh. Understand and agree. You can try and compare but clearly the Omega is on another level and for anyone to say otherwise would be ignoring the facts. However, I also think that given the price differential, it should not be a surprise. Appreciate the great video!
@anthonystevens8683 3 жыл бұрын
An interesting video Alexander. I tend to agree with most of the views you shared maybe with a couple of comments. Both watches are fine devices and deserve credit for METAS certification. As for comparing the two they are different markets as you state. Advance apology as this goes on a bit. I sort of agree it would be great to see Longines released from the 'prison' to do more of it's own thing as far as certification goes and that is something that I would like to see as well. As for not bothering to look 'left or right' following the hopeful certification does disturb me. I would love to see a swarm of brands getting METAS certified for their individual models but I would also like to see existing brands continue who may not be able to afford this certification. COSC costs on it's own and it sounds like this is a prerequisite for METAS. Many brands models don't even bother with COSC anymore but specify a tolerance that is similar for the movements , ORIS caliber 400 for instance. As long as manufacturers stand by those specifications in real life then I'm fine with it. It would be very upsetting to see more Swiss brands go under purely because they cannot afford the extra expense to certify every single watch that would add cost to the watches that they sell and that we purchase. This is a very competitive level of the market here, Finally this certification if I understand it correctly would not apply to anything outside Swiss production. In summary, once certified you would (need) be able to command a premium uplift in price of a watch to cover the extra costs associated with that certification but if you are a smaller independent make the specs clear and stand by them. I want to see more manufacturers not less as it drives competition possibly giving us the purchaser better choice and value for money. Apologies for the long comment
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Anthony, thanks for sharing, a very interesting g read... I would not trust Oris (or any other company) ... they can claim whatever they want without delivering any proof that it is treu ... especially when a small company builds its own calibre I want a proof that it is accurate and reliable... I also don't like the Patek Philippe, the Jaeger-LeCoultre and Montblanc in-house testing ... Rolex at least puts its movements to COSC and then adds some internal testing on top... A test like METAS reflects todays reality especially concerning the everywhere to find magnetism ... maybe not 15.000 gauss of course, but need to raise the bar to always be on the safe side. I expect that the Oris calibre is tested to the usual 60 gauss of the Swiss watch industry ... if this is the case, it is total ridiculous ... this calibre will quickly have accuracy rate problems and after a while stopp if exposed to normal life appearing magnetism ... I don't wish anyone to disappear from the market, but I don't like companies selling technical standards from the 1970s in the year 2021 ...
@anthonystevens8683 3 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor I do see your point, it is especially good that the Omega Master Chronometer test results for your exact watch can be downloaded. The Oris information states the calibre 400 was tested at 2,250 gauss, well below 15,000 that METAS does but much higher than the usual 60. Deviation 10 seconds. ISO 764 standard is within 30 seconds a day after exposure to 200 gauss. I also don't like companies selling on tech for standards that are well out of date for today's environment. METAS and COSC certification will certainly get my focus form a movement accuracy perspective but there are some fine watches that are not. I do hope Longines go the METAS route though, plenty of data should be available from the Swatch groups sibling brand Omega who would still have exclusive use of the excellent George Daniels co=axial escapement.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
I don't trust Oris! They are acting from a defensive position ... The cold wind of the Swatch Group is blowing at full strength in their faces ... I heard that this calibre does not perform at all ... A German KZfaqr told me some horrifying stories about it ... What is officially certified by an independent authority is something different IMHO...
@anthonystevens8683 3 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor I don't have evidence to trust (or not) Oris but agree completely that an independent external certification body adds huge confidence and is preferable and also gives the consumer greater confidence.I guess we will see if Oris out lasts its 10 year warranty and 10 year service intervals with the 400 caliber. In theory it could make or break the brand. I hope they honor the published specifications and any other brand who publishes watch specifications regardless of country of manufacture. Have a good evening Alexander, it's always good to hear your views. Much appreciated as always.
@bbrebozo6417 3 жыл бұрын
The brand ranking thing is not static. Brands are trying to go up market to escape the smart watch competition (which is affecting the sub $3k bracket and not affecting the over $3k brands). Tudor is clearly looking up (gold case BB58 watch shows this).
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Of course! And this is a good decision... now Longines must do the same ... if that will be the case many competitors can shut down their businesses... the quality will be amazing and the designs as well. Master Chronometer is a must for Longines now! The history of Longines is richer than the one of Omega... there is SO MUCH potential ...
@tiempodesobrahn 3 жыл бұрын
As owner of 3 Tudors 1 Omega and 2 Rolex I would rank them in that order, so I agree with your viewpoint in general. One issue is that Tudor is pricing itself too high and too fast riding on the blackbay line but their quality must be questioned at this time. They have a date issue with the GMT, a smaller issue with the crown in other models with the new manufactured calibre as well. And are you aware about Uptick's brand new BB ceramic DIED after less than a month, so wonder what metas really means too!! Please dig into that as you seem to have access to the manufacturers.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
We don't know the what exactly happened with that Tudor... why it stopped, when and under what circumstances... Interesting though! But yes, industrial certifying a watch as a Master Chronometer is NOT a walk in the park, but conquering the Everest...
@DavidScott-xr8qg 3 жыл бұрын
Tudor is in the same bracket as Tag - both shite and poor quality
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
@@DavidScott-xr8qg What experiences do/did yo have? Consumer feedback is always interesting and enlightening…
@house54ay89 3 жыл бұрын
I really do agree. Tudor needs to get in shape before dressing up 👍 Checking in on the quality before having price hikes. Alex would you have the understanding of why Tudor movements are having so many issues? These are just some case examples
@Chris-rs4so 2 жыл бұрын
Sold my tudor gmt after 3 months. The date issue never go away despite sending back to rolex service Centre 3x. I gave up.
@CBRboy1717 3 жыл бұрын
I love that Omega. I'd be worried that it looks like that black strap will show dust and fuzz really easy.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Just rinse some water over it when you wash your hands and/or was the watch on regular base with some mild soap ... will look like new for a very long time ...
@scottlalonde2878 Жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor I wash diver with mild soap when my wrist gets sweaty, but always wonder if the soap is damaging somehow, I don't know, maybe getting in to the gaskets or something. Is that just being paranoid, Alexander?
@user-zu9kf4yb7u 5 ай бұрын
I'm about to buy one of the two and I'm very confused, can you give me your opinion? 😅
@WatchAdvisor 5 ай бұрын
Did you watch the video?
@cestmoi2681 2 жыл бұрын
Go on Alexander, say it…Omega is the bee’s knees!
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
Well, I couldn't disagree! 😜
@seamasterist 2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with your analogy/comparison of the brands. Omega has been repositioning its self over recent years to compete more with Rolex (I don't think they're quite there yet). However I totally agree again with your comments regarding Longines (a sleeping giant of the watch business, although they still post very favourable sales). They are I think repositioning to compete with Tudor more with the Spirit range, especially the new Zulu Time and the new Ultra Chron, particularly applicable in this case. Mind you as I have told you I have experienced some quality issues with Longines, having purchased my first one only some weeks back and already it has had to go back to Longines due to a clear fault (I have requested a replacement piece) yet upon chasing the status of the repair/replacement only today, Longines have informed me today that they cannot locate the watch in their system so cannot update me. Disappointed thus far.
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! I wrote in another comment before… once again my offer: if you want me to help you, please send me an email and I will forward it the appropriate persons at the Longines HQ…
@brianhsin678 2 жыл бұрын
Longines will not take sales away from Tudor. I doubt Tudor is taking sales away from Longines. Those are two different buyers, not just speaking about pricing here. A Tudor GMT and a Zulu time look nothing alike. That being said, the Zulu time is usually available at all AD's while the GMT's, especially the "Rootbeer" and the Tudor Pro are almost always out of stock. As far as quality control, Longines has a pretty high output, QC issues is expected.
@brianhsin678 2 жыл бұрын
As you progress your collection, if you ever decide to let a watch out of your collection to get another one. Tudor has a much better resell value than Longines.
@tshegopicerna3815 2 жыл бұрын
☺️☺️ nice
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
Which of the two is your favorite?
@j.kapiris 3 жыл бұрын
The helium escape valve is why I won't buy one. Also, I don't feel like the styling of Omega ages well
@richardsoos8902 3 жыл бұрын
My brother explained to me that only the French can accept that avant garde can sit side by side with the traditional. Sometimes you want something that is just bling or aggressive in its styling. Sometimes ugliness is an aspect of handsomeness or masculinity. Sometimes you just don't like it :)
@lipinglin1994 3 жыл бұрын
Check out the Seamaster 300. No escape valve.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
But this is the "Seamster 300" and not the "Seamaster Diver 300" ... these are two different models and for the "Diver" the "Helium Escape Valve" is part of its DNA ...
@j.kapiris 3 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor I understand that it's it DNA, just for me I'm not a fan. Their movement is phenomenon though.
@quiterioalbertobaezbenitez5739 3 жыл бұрын
Extraordinary document Alexander! An absolute lesson in hautè horologie! Thank you. Saludos!!
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
I am happy you liked it! Thanks for the feedback! Let me know if you have additional questions...
@yashav2949 3 жыл бұрын
Well the point is made, and one couldn’t really disagree - “Tudor is not Omega”. But isn’t the name of the competition game is at part to take your opponents market? What’s Oris doing with their diver 65 and aquis for example? Or Rolex yachtmaster 42 for example, try making a video on the topic that yachtmaster 42 isn’t an aquanaut… Tudor is taking advantage on their market position, and has the numbers to prove it. Omega needs to start doing some thinking because the had some very good models (I think the SMP and PO are the best offers in their respective segment), and some not too good decisions (MOTM is priced unrealistically in my humble opinion, but time will tell). Would love to see a new speedmaster reduced
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting read and correct what you wrote, but this was not the question here. I tried to give some answers and to correct some silly statements I have been reading on KZfaq/Instagram/... about Omega and Tudor. The Tudor fanboys claim, since their watch now is Master Chronometer certified, that it better than /equal to Omega ... This simply is nonsense!
@mnazryn2561 5 ай бұрын
I Have both, you can say the tudor gives more value for ceramic and metas certified dive watch. However overall when put side by side you can clearly see the higher form of finishing on the omega. Finishing on the side of the case, case back, the bezel and insert on the omega is way better than the tudor piece. Tudor still uses PVD coated steel bezel and caseback & crown. While omega uses all ceramic except for the movement, hands, indices, strap and pin.
@WatchAdvisor 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us!
@simonandersen7942 2 жыл бұрын
The Black Bay looks infinitely better than the Omega. Great watch!
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
That might be the case… since tastes are different… but in terms of all over quality and make it is light years away from the Omega…
@2buihh871 3 жыл бұрын
I see the whole industry to move up as the low range is captured by the smartwatches. so Longines will move up as well as Tissot as we can see now with the Prx. so it will happen. Rumours stated that they will release big things in September, i guess it could be the Metas or at least in-house mvmt.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Longines will release a spectacular watch in autumn - yes!
@coffeeboyclips1973 3 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor will it be as spectacular as the spirit or better?
@jameshoward9700 3 жыл бұрын
At last - we can rely on you, Alexander to bring us some sense! Nonetheless - the marketing cunning of Wilsdorf group knows no bounds! They have deliberately placed doubt and confusion in the minds of new watch enthusiasts especially in UK/US/Aus/Can where their marketing has been very effective. If Longines could produce a new dive watch that undercut the BB, matched its quality (quite easy!) for
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
James, thanks for sharing! The Spirit is exactly the new generation of watches of Longines that compares not only to Tudor... Now Longines must be released out of its artificial prison and show what it is capable to do... Master Chronometer is a must for them now! The history of Longines is richer than the one of Omega... there is SO MUCH potential ...
@mikemike9478 Жыл бұрын
I bought a Black Bay Ceramic a couple of days ago and so far it has been consistently losing about -1 to -1.5 sec/day. I don't know if this is normal. I mean isn't METAS supposed to be 0 to +5 s/d?
@WatchAdvisor Жыл бұрын
Yes, METAS is 0/+5 seconds. All my Master Chronometer certified Omega’s perform as they should and believe me I check that on a regular base… But my best performing watch in the moment is the Longines “Ultra-Chron”… it beats the Omega sisters and brothers by far…
@mikemike9478 Жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor so is there something wrong with my Tudor or is it too early to tell?
@WatchAdvisor Жыл бұрын
@@mikemike9478 I would wait a while and give the entire calibre the chance to run in perfectly
@U9092100 Жыл бұрын
My Omega seamaster -2 to -3 sec/day..
@WatchAdvisor Жыл бұрын
@@U9092100 Which model is it? Which calibre exactly?
@impexRQ 3 жыл бұрын
Omega is just miles miles away from Tudor …. Absolutely agreed with you that you can’t compare … Tudor is comparable with Longines
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
BRAVO to Tudor to be Master Chronometer certified ... Now Longines MUST do its homework ...
@nunsc Жыл бұрын
disagree, tudor is easily comparable to omega. tudor raised thier bar.
@demetrisloizides8710 3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps more interesting would be to know the % of watches failing the test! Surely it isn't expected that all watches tested pass... some failures must occur...
@jonathanwelke 3 жыл бұрын
Actually it is expected that every single watch passes. That's the whole point for having an independent tester to more strict standards.
@demetrisloizides8710 3 жыл бұрын
Yes. All those sold surely passed! I meant those that failed and went back for adjusting / fixing
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
There is a very, very small dropout quote - yes! But as a manufacturer you do everything to control your quality before METAS testing the watch... that's much cheaper and much more efficient ...
@time-out372 3 жыл бұрын
Schönes Video Herr Linz. Ich habe es verstanden Omega spielt in einer anderen Liga als Tudor völlig zurecht. Aber Longines muss erst ein bißchen entstaubt werden finde die Modelle etwas Langweilig. Wobei Longines eine lange Historie hat....
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Genauso ist es! Longines MUSS nun seine Hausaufgaben machen... Die Swatch Group MUSS den Riesen aufwecken...
@billcore6295 2 жыл бұрын
Really good video, totally agree 👍with your assessment that Omega conpares and typically outperforms rolex head to head with a better quality valued product for the money. Tudor is not at the same level as Omega and agree, they're trying to persuade the masses but watch geeks know better. I own 3 Rolex's, 6 Omegas and 8 Tudors which is the basis of my opinion.
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
Very well said, thanks for sharing! One must see/feel/discover the hundreds of little difference in real to be able to share your/my opinion...
@bow2augusto 2 жыл бұрын
only one of these watches is easy to read, at a glance.. saying you can't compare them is bullshit.. you can compare anything and everything. they are both watches. why on earth couldn't you compare them, when they both set out to accomplish the same thing.
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
I compared them and said they are both exceptional watches ... BUT Omega plays in another league ... While the Omega is a full ceramic watch, the Tudor only features a case that is party made out of ceramic ... All its finishing and details just don't compare to the Omega ...
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
@@GiancarloBenzina Thanks for being so passionate and sharing your thoughts with us… Interesting read! Just one remark: of course there are leagues also in watchmaking, just as they exist in all other sectors too…
@smoko321 3 жыл бұрын
Rolex wants to create artificial scarcity, fine, there are plenty of other watches available both new and vintage of excellent quality and history. What scares me most about the artificial scarcity marketing model is how many watch purchasers buy into it, the negative psychology around wanting something they're told they can't have, and the mindset of "investment" in a luxury passion item. The hype strategy is a divergence from Rolex history. I hope it bites them in the ass and Dufour gets the boot as CEO! For me, artificial scarcity hype = lies, scams, dishonesty, hucksterism. Not something I want in a luxury purchase!
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
So true ... I love your comment! Thanks for sharing our emotions and passion ...😎
@bobone6554 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, I can hear Tudor owners head’s exploding watching this, the truth can be hard to take!
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Well, they just need to accept that they own a very, very good watch, but not an Omega/a Rolex yet ...
@bobone6554 3 жыл бұрын
@Anthony Farrer would you take one on consignment???
@mrp9498 3 жыл бұрын
@Anthony Farrer shut up
@shilvock22 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like an omega fanboy that has a complex because he thinks he's as good as Rolex and has to convince himself and the world of this fact. So he does it by beating up on Tudor to make himself feel better. Haha
@hathaway.1166 2 жыл бұрын
@@shilvock22 I’m a Omega guy and I like the Black Bay 58, maybe it’s a good choice for my first diver
@sadaka201 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Alexander for the great Presentation. Omega for me all day long...
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
I hear you! Thanks for sharing! Tudor is "almost", but not "admost" ... this term is still reserved for Omega and Rolex ...
@ericlei2207 2 жыл бұрын
Reading the comments and you know how powerful branding and marketing is and that also is one of the reasons why people wear mechanical watches these days. For me Omega movements are the best statistically in their price range (METAS certification is very good), and in terms of build I think they are on par with Rolex, but obviously values of watches, which in modern era is just a luxury product, does not really depend purely on how good a watch is. Regarding Tudor in-house movement vs Longines ETA modified movements, I think functionally (at least on paper) they are really close, the newest Longines movements are also COSC certified with silicon balance spring, but in-house has people thinking a sense of prestige and the comparison has ended before it has started. Also when comparing brands sometimes it depends on perspective, Tudor makes good dive watches (better than Longines imo) but Longines does better on a lot more different style imo (dress watches, female watches etc). At the end of the day, the sought-after-ness is one of the most important determining factor of a luxury product or a luxury brand, it is hard to compare brands purely from a technical standpoint because many people don't care about that, there is no right or wrong but when the perspective is different then there is no consensus. Appreciate your detail reviews as always!
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting read, thanks for sharing
@gothops154 3 жыл бұрын
I wish Omega went with a blacked out movement like the Tudor did
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
They could have simply used a tinted glass ...
@tougenomikado 3 жыл бұрын
I actually glad they didn't. I love the sharp contrast between the Black ceramic and the highly polished movement.
@gothops154 3 жыл бұрын
I like Tudors approach of a clear glass so you can see, but then having the actual movement blacked out. I think that’s the best. The omega is too jarring for me
@tougenomikado 3 жыл бұрын
@@gothops154 in my own personal humble opinion.... I think this is the best looking Tudor they've ever produced and I do love what they've done with the blacked out movement. (My heart's just set on the Omega)
@greenerick 2 жыл бұрын
Like Tudor because of the long power reserve which omega doesn't have get video
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
That’s just one little feature though…
@Not_me9791 2 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor one of the most important btw
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
@@Not_me9791 Both are automatic watches and are going to be worn on a regular base ... both watches have no date indication ... rewinding a mechanical watch is something very intimate and emotional ... so who care s about a difference of 15 hors power reserve ... that's in this particular case only an academic discussion - sorry!
@brianhsin678 2 жыл бұрын
Tudor > Modern Longines.
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
Are you aware of what Longines is actually doing?
@brianhsin678 2 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor yes, I do follow their releases as well. As far as tech and finishing, they're always half step behind. To be fair, their pricing is also half step behind. I believe Tudor will continue to occupy the space right under Omega. Longines will occupy the space between mid-tier brands (Hamilton, Tissot etc) and Tudor. That being said, I do like the Longines Legend Diver, and the big eye chrono.
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
@@brianhsin678 Thanks for specifying.
@nartlambaz 2 ай бұрын
The Tudor Black Bay Ceramic could be compaired with the Longines Hydroconquest Ceramic . That would make a good video
@WatchAdvisor 2 ай бұрын
This is true! The challenge is to get hands on both watches…
@johnteill_ Жыл бұрын
I think the all black is cooler....but the black with white hits looks better
@WatchAdvisor Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@fcporto1200 2 жыл бұрын
If Longines was at the same level of tudor, longines would be more expansive. Its more logical to compare tudor with omega than longines.
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. What do you mean with “expansive”? Can you specify?
@fcporto1200 2 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor more expansive for the price. You are not objective or you are à Omega fanboy. 😀
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
@@fcporto1200 Even though a Tudor is an excellent watch under all aspects you can’t compare it to an Omega. Especially not to this full ceramic state of the art Omega. This Tudor only features a case partly made out of ceramic… Longines manufactures superb watches as well, at the same quality level as Tudor, but sells them for less… that’s a decision taken by Swatch Group to do so… just because this is the case this does not mean that you can and must compare Longines to Tudor and vice versa… Omega must be compared to Rolex and vice versa… Forget about the hype that was and is made about Rolex and Tudor … just compare the product … and this is at the levels just described…
@fcporto1200 2 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor every man has his opinion. For me omega is higher level than Tudor but longines never.
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
@@fcporto1200 Never mind! My opinion is only based on 30 years of intense experience as a specialized journalist/author within the watch industry… I know what’s going on and how is doing what and why… I know today perception is no longer driven by facts but by hyped stories … a vast majority of people writing/reporting/talking about the watch industry and its products have absolutely no clue… they just repeat messages given to them and/or copy and paste press releases …
@horologywatchmaking13 3 жыл бұрын
Recently there're reports of Tudor METAS certified movements facing problems after 2 to 3 weeks of usage probably due to the impact that METAS testing did. So they still need to do alot of homework if they want to keep up the METAS certification thing. Imagine how Omega manage to work well even after the testing and countless usage from the consumers (i give credits to Co-axial escapements). I agree completely what you had said Alaxander. Tudor cannot be compared with Omega, different league. But you can compare it to Longines. Only Rolex can be compared with Omega.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
I haven't heard about these issues yet, but I can imagine that this might be the case ... Omega meanwhile certifies all its watches as Master Chronometer and the brand has collected lots of experience ... Industrial based METAS testing of watches is not a walk in the park, but conquering the Everest...
@brianhsin678 2 жыл бұрын
I have had multiple generations of the coaxial. Any movement will face some initial issues on the first iteration. The coaxial 2500 initially had many performance issues, i got rid of the first gen ceramic smp. The coaxial you see today is a decade worth of work. I own the newest smp and it is great.. I tend to jump on new models early, so I have experienced issues with many luxury brands. No brand is immune to issues. Longines has completely different designs, they are a "value" for money brand. That is how Swatch want it. Their msrp is generally 15% lower than Tudor, and I am able to walk into ADs and easily ask for a nice discount. Having been surrounded by people in the industry, they all had this comment. Young professionals now aspire to own a Tudor GMT, Tudor pro, Panda chrono. When the purchase is made, there is little talk of a spec sheet, although it is still good value. Modern Longine buyers tend to buy specs, it gives 95% of the fit and finish at a 20% discount. It is also readily available. I have seen many graduate from tudor to Rolex/JLC/Omega etc, but they still have the tudor in their collection. I see way more people turning over their Longines for pennies on the dollar once they get into the prestige segment. Branding is a key area. Longines lacks a clear identity as their catalog has become too large. They're trying to please everyone, so the connection to the brand is often lukewarm at best. My friend has a used section in the store, he sees many Longines come back, and the sellers are willing to take a much steeper loss to get rid of it. Again, Longines has great spec, fair build for the money. It has ways to go before I would consider them a non discount brand.
@mrp9498 3 жыл бұрын
The Omega is better imo. The only Tudor I own is the 43mm bronze which I enjoy very much.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
"Better"?!?! Omega is a real luxury watch, while Tudor isn't and must be seen "only" as a very, very good watch ...
@mjcruiser4238 2 жыл бұрын
The 50% price difference is the elephant in the room!
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
That difference is absolutely correct, since you can’t compare the two watches… the only thing they have in common is the Master Chronometer certification…
@Q8Vamp 3 жыл бұрын
No one buy a Rolex watch to keep it , that’s why it keep its value because everybody wanna sell his watch , on the other hand when someone buys an omega watch he buy it to keep it for life . It is unwise when Rolex makes a joke like this watch to compete with omega , omega is making full ceramic case while Tudor is making half case cover , and what about the pvc coated parts in the movement ? Is it gonna stand for years? Isn’t it gonna be effected by heat ?
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Very good and true comment! Thanks 🙏🏻 for sharing our passion!
@maxxenix 3 жыл бұрын
Can anyone “name” one longines model with out googleing it? Omega ~Tudor I know omega was cool many years ago but now people spend money on omega to get on the Rolex waiting list!
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
These people are not buying watches, but shares, aka hyped luxury items ... they confuse emotions & passion for mechanical wristwatches with the stock exchange ... If they are stupid enough to participate in that by greedy ADs created, total artificial game of buying other watches to get on a waiting list and then still paying overprices ... we should let them do what they have to do ... I have no compassion!
@NicholasSadlier 3 жыл бұрын
Longines Spirit and Longines Hydroconquest are two of my favourite watches.
@Spook291 3 жыл бұрын
Skin diver
@coffeeboyclips1973 3 жыл бұрын
Big eye, hydroconquest, spirit, master collection, flagship
@zhan9207 3 жыл бұрын
I think Omega wines this round.
@WatchAdvisor 3 жыл бұрын
Omega does not win … Omega plays in another league…
@MC-dh3my 2 жыл бұрын
You can tell me what you want about Omega competing with whomever, I do not care: as customer I decide with whom to compare watches. In this case I would buy Tudor all ways over than that Omega
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
I in no single word discouraged anyone to buy that Tudor… So, well done… bravo, congratulations …
@troysutton6439 2 жыл бұрын
What a fool, Omega is Light years beyond Tudor..Tudor Pelogos is their best model that needs to be trimmed down. also Omega needs to maintain its own identity and not start to copy rolex.. quality: Omega is right there with rolex... resale, although i only sale if there is no connection with the watch...makes one choose rolex...
@Youtubeuser1aa 2 жыл бұрын
Rolex has the best marketing. That logo is worth 10x
@WatchAdvisor 2 жыл бұрын
Rolex has unfortunately degenerated into a disdainful speculative object. The majority of today's Rolex buyers have ZERO idea about a high-quality timepiece, are not buying one of the best Swiss wristwatches, but an investment, which is - pardon the comparison - like throwing pearls before swine. Real watch lovers, however, go away empty-handed...
@penpen3231 10 ай бұрын
I think the Tudor Black Ceramic is a beautiful watch, but isn't the bezel in all black just a pure gimmick without really fulfilling the function of a diver? I wonder why you didn't compare it to the Longines HydroConquest all ceramic instead. It is not a Master Chronometer, but if I would buy a diver watch, I would pick that one rather than the Tudor. But maybe i'm getting something wrong and miss some critical info.
@WatchAdvisor 10 ай бұрын
The purpose was to show and compare two METAS certified watches... The conclusion was that in terms of technology applied you can compare them but not in terms of make... Omega is a full ceramic watch the Tudor not...
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