Thank you! I’m glad the videos are helpful.

There is an incredible amount of helicopters and decisions in the size class.

Thank you, Larry! I hope all is well.

Thank you very much! I greatly appreciate that! Thank you for subscribing!

Thank you! I appreciate it, there is so many great models in this size class something for everyone!

Thank you! I greatly appreciate it.

Tell me about it, I just messed up a servo on my M1 after I replaced the bracket with a metal one from rakon heli

I prefer plastic antirotation brackets as well. A lot of people like metal which is nice and strong but they do not break in a hard crash as well as carbon fiber. They are strong, but break other parts. Having sacrificial parts is very important!

Thank you! I appreciate it, thank you for watching the channel! Enjoy your S2 and RS4!

Thank you for watching and supporting!

Thank you! I hope the video is hopeful!

Thank you! I appreciate it!

Thank you! I try and make these videos for people to decide on witch ever model they want. Both are great models and cones down to personal preferences!

I prefer the look of the m4 and it builds and flies amazingly. Zero issues with it, love the tail design. My favorite heli.

Thank you! I try to do my best to include everything I can in his videos to give an honest opinion, and for the viewer to make their own decisions. I have a temp gone, but I didn’t bring it that day just because I wasn’t going to compare motor temperature. But I felt the M4 motor and it was very hot and I decided to feel the RS four motor to see as well. I will be doing an actual temperature reading between the .Thank you! I try to do my best to include everything I can in his videos to give an honest opinion, and for the viewer to make their own decisions. I have a temp gone, but I didn’t bring it that day just because I wasn’t going to compare motor temperature. But I felt the M4 motor and it was very hot and I decided to feel the RS4 motor to see as well. I will be doing a actual temperature reading between the two.

Lol that is a good idea!! And we know how well the venom held up lol

Yes it is!

I’m glad you had a great experience with the M4, I wish I did. It seems like a great heli but needed work. My biggest issue with it is how hot the motor and servos get after a flight. Especially on a hot day. That is very weird about your skids breaking on the RS4? I’ve got the original set on both my RS4 and RS4 Venom. Maybe it’s a bad batch. You are he first person I’ve heard have them break like that.

That would be nice!

I do agree! Changing the belt on the RS4 is not fun, I wish they did a different design but that’s my only real complaint with it. It flys super light, smooth, incredibly powerful and runs really cool especially compared to the M4.

I found the tail belt to be the hardest belt to install out of any helicopter I’ve ever built. My biggest issue with the RS4 is that you have to remove the main shaft to pull the tail belt which I do not like.

I agree that the I thought the M4 tail belt went on easily. Just fished it through the wider slot in the frame and spun the motor around, went on first try.

you need to take the side frames apart to replace the tailbelt for RS4 Venom. even after removing mainshaft and oneway sleeve, the main pulley is still trapped between the motor and aluminum block.

Thank you, I will go back and add that. I thought I did, but I must not of. The M4 is a very nice looking model, if someone wants me to build a M4 Max I will. But I will not personally purchase one.

Hmm! Really? What pole count is selected for the motor?

@@westhobbiesrc8051 20

@@westhobbiesrc8051 ive done 21 and 22 just incase

I have done a bunch of side-by-side comparison reviews on so many different helicopters, and I never choose a helicopter because at the end of the day it is up to the consumer and what is best for you. So I’ll give you some contacts on why I chose the RS4 over the M4. It all boils down to customer service, and how issues are reported and taken care of. The M4 could be the best flying helicopter ever invented and I still would not like it. I had some issues with my kit which a bunch other people have as well. I simply made a post on a Facebook group, just stating and showing the issues that I had. I was immediately bashed talked bad upon and hated on by the designer of the helicopter, as well as multiple of their team, pilots and representatives. Prior to that post I sent out an email to where the helicopter was purchased from and got told that they didn’t have the parts in stock and to go somewhere else to buy them, the parts I had issues with was a bent tail shaft which I purchased a brand new packet not even caring about the three dollars. When I opened up the canopy, it was completely destroyed, cracked in multiple places, then having to drill the carbon fiber frame sides out to fit a traditional driver that everybody has was just some of the issues that I stated in the post Again not comparing bashing or saying anything about any other helicopter manufacturer. The issues were never resolved. I got a big F you left in the dust now I have to purchase a $80 canopy as well as having to purchase tail shafts. ( witch again I don’t care about $3 but it’s the point) there has been several other customers that have been treated the exact same way and that really put a bad taste in my mouth so I cannot feel comfortable to report and say to purchase this helicopter when the customer service has been so terrible and the bashing of people just simply having issues. There has been several other customers that have reported issues on different groups and immediately bashed and talk to like they are dumb, which you do not get that kind of treatment when you purchase other helicopters, no matter what brand.

I have seen a bit of what you are talking about, unfortunately. That's too bad. I will say that I have gotten parts quite quickly. My backup canopy was only $50. I do love the heli. But I definitely understand your position based on your experience. It is amazing to me that some people do not understand the importance of the after purchase experience. I'll gladly trade my autographed frame for a better attitude from you know who. He seemed annoyed that I mentioned I was missing a piece from my kit instead of apologetic. Fortunately, mine flies great, and I have enough spare parts to last a while.

I agree too I prefer that the M4 tail belt comes on and off easily without having to pull the main shaft. It's easier than my trex 470.

It’s definitely all a matter of taste to which model you prefer. If you wanna build a M4, then go ahead and build one! Definitely a nice helicopter but unfortunately the way a situation was handled. I personally would not support them but I still think the overall design of the helicopter is very nice.

I agree! I have been flying OMP models since they came to the market. They definitely gave a lot of pilots. Great models and they still make free models despite their terrible customer service. But the RS4 performed better.

@@Norm8179 OMP M4 is $550 that’s PNP (no battery or FBL) Goosky RS4 is $699 PNP with battery and FBL.

@@westhobbiesrc8051 ok that makes up the cost difference.

Yes definitely, you can even get the Hobbywing/Goosky 60 amp ESC that bolts in place of the stock Goosky 70a ESC.

@@westhobbiesrc8051 i asked about the normal one because i have it laying around unused

I’m not sure on that. I’ve never used or messed with TBS but if you have a regular RX then yes.

HW 80 will make zero difference in terms of bogging. BUT 100% throttle is way too much. 80-85 are more than enough with enough headroom that it won't bog. set pitch to 14° and you are good to go.

@@GrimesRic so you don't think having a better ESC would make any difference? How would turning the throttle down help avoid bogging? I'm definitely not even capable of flying it to that point right now, however I want to get to that point. That's why I am future proofing all my models and just building them nice right now. Do you think it's just a limitation of the motor?

@@Lance57Hrunning 100 throttle leaves no headroom for the esc. If you want the best performance, consider using governor in your FBL.

From my personal experience, the HW Governor is not designed for direct drive motors. The I gain there is way too high (even 0 wasn’t low enough)

@@jiawenbao3698 I have a HW 80 on my Raw 420 and I had so many issues trying to solve the tail wag on it. I finally sent it to Jeff himself to help me get it figured out after trying everything to get it resolved. Turned out that I just had the gain on the govnor too high. He also did some other tuning on it as well and got it flying really well. With all that being said, what ESC would you recommend on these 380-400 size direct drive helis?

That’s good, having them close is a good thing. I knew about the M4 for well over a year almost two.

@@westhobbiesrc8051 They’re incredibly nice and helpful as well.

Because you’ve done a comparison between the OMP M4, GOOSKY RS4 Venom & the SAB RAW 420..?

Later maybe M4 Max?🙂

I love my raw 420!

​@Chief351L I've got them all, my favourite is the M4 then the Raw 420.

@@lachlangreen8389Interesting, what convinces you to choose the M4 over the raw 420?

Hello! Yes, I do offer full build services for people. Send me an email that is linked in the video description and we can go over bill pricing and everything. You would purchase everything you need for the Build and send it to me. I can give you a list of everything that is needed as well in the email.

Thank you! I greatly appreciate it. So owning both models, I will say that the RS4 venom is a well worth upgrade from the 470 in a couple aspects. Yes, the 470 is lighter, but the venom has more power way better tale performance at lower head speeds. You never have a tail blow out. If you like the S2 you will love the venom even more!

@@westhobbiesrc8051 thanks for your feedback

@@jeanrochat you’re welcome! I will do a review and compensation on the Trex 470 and RS4 Venom.

@@westhobbiesrc8051 Cool can’t wait to see it 😀

I have two 470s and the M4 and the M4 tail is way better. The M4 feels totally locked in stable and has plenty of power for me. Amazing heli, easy to build.

I’m not sure, I know you can use a H1 GPS FBL unit on them.

I don't know much about ardupilot, but Rotorflight can fly any heli.

I got my FW405L V3 to work with RF2 using Speedybee F405 , so yes, you can pretty much make any heli fly with RF2.

Mode 2

@@westhobbiesrc8051 Nice . I fly fixed wing on mode 1 and can fly helicopters in a simulator adequately with mode 1 . I was thinking mode 2 might an easier and better choice for Heli's.

No, there is nothing out yet (that I know of) with Remote ID built in.

Goosky or rs4 is the best

If you have no flight experience at all I would recommend neither. A 400 size heli is not a toy anymore! IMHO the xk k110 is a great heli to begin with. A friend of mine just learned with it. He crashed it at least 50 times meanwhile with minimal damage. You should just fly over grass.

I highly recommend getting a Goosky S2 for your first beginner model I would also highly recommend picking up a simulator and practicing a lot before actually flying. I definitely don’t recommend going bigger than a 200 size model for your first and to get started as the bigger they are the more dangerous they are and the S2 is very inexpensive to replace parts in a crash and keep flying.

@@westhobbiesrc8051 hi you recommend the S2 as good beginner Heli but then warn about high cost of spare parts in event of crash? Do you think an M2 or even an M1 might be a better option then than the GS S2 due to cheaper parts? Great vid by the way, I'm trying to decide which 150-200 Heli to get as my first 'proper' cp Heli.

Get an Omp M2! You will love it.

That has nothing to do with it. No matter what I’m always honest in every video. If you watch the RS4 VS RAW 420 I say the RAW 420 is my favorite. Not sponsored by SAB…

@@westhobbiesrc8051 I think he is just suggesting that by not saying that up front, the perception could be taken differently that you might be trying to hide it. Certainly possible to have a non-biased review even if you are sponsored. I only own one of them so can't compare anything at all myself. It is great to have lots of options and I don't think anyone would go wrong with any of them.

That person who made that allegation on RCG is an OMP Hobby dealer. He has absolutely no evidence to back that up. That is what typical OMP fanboys do, they smear people whose opinion they don't like. In addition to Jeff West, at least 3 persons on Helifreak with both the venom and M4 have said they prefer the venom, having more power and feeling more locked in at the same time. The behavior of OMP fanboys will just put people off the OMP completely.

@@zxpro1684 I am a Goosky “team” pilot. But that means nothing. I’m not a SAB “team” pilot and prefer the RAW 420 over the Goosky RS4. So many people think being a “team” pilot (witch I didn’t ask for) they did because Ive tested and helped them improve there design since the beginning. OMP can’t help and take criticism about issues they have. I bet Jonas won’t talk about the bashing on Facebook because of the issues I had and made a post saying I was disappointed with build and never got any help because I’m me. It’s terrible customer service. If the M4 was better I would of said it’s better. I ALWAYS speak the truth and will never let a “team” pilot name persuade my opinion on like some others.

lol no, has nothing to do with Goosky. Just wait till the M4 and RAW 420 video comes out..lm not sponsored by SAB LOL or go watch my RAW 420 VS RS4 video.. here is a hint. I said I like the RAW 420 more.

@@westhobbiesrc8051 Someone on RCG says your sponsoer by Goosky. In the OMP M4 thread.

That somebody on RCG is an OMP Hobby dealer. He has absolutely no evidence to back that up. That is what typical OMP fanboys do, they smear people whose opinion they don't like. In addition to Jeff West, at least 3 persons on Helifreak with both the venom and M4 have said they prefer the venom, having more power and feeling more locked in at the same time. The behavior of OMP fanboys will simply put people off OMP altogether.

@@zxpro1684 that fanboy was the designer. Jonas.

Tell me about it.

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Thank you! I appreciate it, yes! Higher motor temps is a problem. And that was just with one flight. Normally, I fly multiple packs through my helicopters at a time and I think after three or four batteries, it would be so hot. I wouldn’t feel comfortable flying it! The Venom is a beast! Love that Heli already. Tons of power and handles flight after flight, pack after pack and motor is around the same temp from first to last flight. I have a video with the difference between the regular RS4, and RS4 venom

Yes. Maybe it will get better with the new Motor but these Motors are pretty expensive. I think it will cost about 200$. Before i Upgrade to a new Motor it would probably be smarter to sell the m4 and buy a rs4 venom. I mean the M4 flies good but its no fun when i can just fly in the Winter cause the Electronics get to warm in the summer

Jeff, it would be nice if you could quantify the "Hot" motor temperature by measuring it and do the same on the motor of the venom. This makes the review more valuable. Thank you and keep on going with the reviews!

And a good one!