That's a good point👍

King David repented, confessed his sins and penitence to ask God to restore the grace, it was’n for free. Hear Psalm 51 (NIV): 1 Have mercy on me, O God, according to your unfailing love; according to your great compassion blot out my transgressions. 2 Wash away all my iniquity and cleanse me from my sin. 3 For I know my transgressions, and my sin is always before me. 4 Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight; so you are right in your verdict and justified when you judge. 5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me. 6 Yet you desired faithfulness even in the womb; you taught me wisdom in that secret place. 11 Do not cast me(Z) from your presence(AA) or take your Holy Spirit(AB) from me. 12 Restore to me the joy of your salvation(AC) and grant me a willing spirit,(AD) to sustain me.(AE) 13 Then I will teach transgressors your ways,(AF) so that sinners(AG) will turn back to you.(AH) 14 Deliver me(AI) from the guilt of bloodshed,(AJ) O God, you who are God my Savior, and my tongue will sing of your righteousness.

@@ricardosal2356 Repentance came after Nathan brought Gods judgment to David. Nowhere in the 613 Levitical or Mosaic law was repentance an option in lieu of death in a Capital Crime like Adultery or murder!

@@ricardosal2356 good morning Ricardo,,, this is my explanation, David did not need to repent to be saved, he was already considered righteous and saved by God.. but he was feeling bad and wanted to be feeling closer to God again.. I believe he was praying this after Samuel confronted him and David was feeling terrible about what he had done... so that was his prayer from his heart.. David was called a man after God's own heart! David was also living in an old covenant.. we live in a New covenant a much better greater covenant Jesus said! And the writer of Hebrews States, Hebrews 7:21.. also, did you know? That nowhere in the Gospel of John does John ever mention repentance, even one time! But what John does mention over a hundred times is the word believe, or believes!!! just believe in Jesus! Check it out for yourself and you will see..

@@jayheinz4624 it requires a lot of imagination to elaborate conclusions contrary to the scripture cus why God bothers to send Samuel in first place if King David had a free pass? I can elaborate a hundred and one speculations but I would land, same as you, out of the “sola scriptura”, don’t I? In the other hand see closer psalm 51 verse 14th : “Deliver me from the guilt of bloodshed” In the new covenant Paul teaches that even himself after have been proclaiming the Gospel he can be disqualified. Is this is a nice gesture also from Paul?: “So I do not run aimlessly; I do not box as one beating the air. But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.” 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 So, my friend, you and I better keep the good discipline as Paul recommend. Don’t you think?

Whats does this have to do with Judas fell from grace?

@@TheGreatSkull123 Thank you very much for your reply. May the Lord bless you. It's not only the verses in Hebrews that have bothered me about this issue. There are many more. There is also a verse in revelation where Jesus says He can blot out a believer's name from the book of life. I'm not quite sure myself what a believer has to do to get their name erased from God's book. But this verse has bothered me also. However, I DO believe that I am saved. I believe it with my whole heart. But as I said there are some verses that have thrown me into confusion about this issue. But thank you very much for your reply. It made a lot of sense. God bless you.

@@TheGreatSkull123 Thanks again.

Yes, the once saved always saved position highlights two issues. 1. It denies the potential for sin to turn one away from God. 2. It is presumptuous...Peter denied our Lord 3 times yet said he wouldn't--now that's not only presumptuous but arrogance. The only thing we can be absolutely assured of is God's faithfulness to us. We have to have Faith to believe this; Hope that we will remain in Him with His help (Grace); and continue to surrender to Him--to Love. Faith, Hope, and Love.

I think is 1st John that says “WHEN “ we sin not if, we have an advocate with the father. As well as the 7th chapter if Romans

God has already forgiven us that’s why Jesus died on the cross. We have to trust in that alone.

​@@zbeast4949... Jesus paid the price by His death... but only those who "repent and are baptized" are saved.

Amen

That is your Baptist tradition.. not what the Bible says about this.

It is not Biblical. Where in the Bible does it say you cannot be unborn again? You are backreading onto the parable additional qualities from the analogy and putting words in the our Lord's mouth that he never said. This is exactly hos doctrine's of men start. Stop it. I will warn you here to stay away from this sin.

YAHUUAH ISKINGOFKINGS Amen to that!

The Rooted Word “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is PASSED from death unto life.” ‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬ www.bible.com/1/jhn.5.24.kjv

Maybe he's hoping through his teaching that the EO will change their stance on that subject one day.

We Orthodox believe what he said... we don't believe in OSAS.

Hank is also not gonna change the EO’s stance on OSAS. We don’t accept it and never will.

Am sorry but he is teaching osas and he is given false hope to a person that is practicing sin that is not Orthodox teaching

​@@martin9410 No reasonable being could believe in OSAS. Imagine this example. You get married and you proclaim your faith to your wife. If you apply the OSAS "logic" in a marriage, then this means that since you once had faith in your marriage, then now it doesn't matter how many times you cheat your wife. You will still be married and she won't be able to tell to you that you betrayed her trust. What OSAS is actually asking from God is to be like the wife in the example ... All we have to do is proclaim our faith and then we can cheat and cheat with no consequences ? no wonder that "dogma" is gaining traction in our lazy era of people that hate accountability for their actions.

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Orthodox Therapy Of The Soul Fr C Moody I absolutely know that already but I'm not sure if Hank knows. He probably believes is the idiotic doctorine of original sin and Augustinian Manicheism.

Orthodox Therapy Of The Soul Fr C Moody grace of God appears to all men. Cain was told that he will rule over his sin. God isn't going to make you do it. Grace teaches us to put off all ungodliness. Grace is the holy Spirit and aide not an advocate to cover our sin. You have remission not a covering. Just as Paul says MAKE NO PROVISION for the flesh (corrupt Passions and desires) misuse of our energies.

Usually Works of the Law have more to do with the observance of the Law of Moses and seeking justification through that Law. Works of faith are probably more closely related to one example James gave in chapter two of his letter, when you see a brother in need of food and clothing, etc.

Could it be works of the law are done out of fear of punishment, works of faith are done out of love for Jesus? The prior is done by ones own efforts, the latter are done by Jesus through someone willing to allow Him to do His work in and through them, influencing them to do things that are pleasing to Him and helpful to others? The former is done by the flesh, the latter by the Spirit. The former is about the negative letter of the law and legalism, the latter is done via the positive summary of the law and prophets, the golden rule and is about being cheerful and enthusiastic in hope. What do you mean by original sin and what's your issue with sin as a covering besides the holy spirit as an advocate if they're are verses that refer to these things?

-The sting of sin is the law. -The law and sin are of the same tree (the tree of the knowledge of good and evil). -The law and sin, being of the same root, both lead to death (Separation from God). -We are cursed with the Adamic/self nature, and are metaphorically born of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (the tree of "judging")... We are hardwired to break God's law, which means we naturally bare evil fruit, e.g. lie, steal, brag, drunkenness, lusts of all forms, jealousy, murder etc etc... And we are accordingly hardwired to perpetuate our Adamic/self godhood by producing good works (e.g. 'trying harder' to stop messing up, trying to read the Bible more, going to church more etc etc)... We produce"good fruit" out of ourselves attempting to justify for, compensate for or make up for our bad words & bad deeds... These are our 'good works of the law', and they are likewise sin in God's eyes. -The fruit of faith is produced by Jesus from within us (Our spirit man in Christ)... God deemed man only worthy of death, and that's why He crucified us WITH Jesus on the cross... We are spiritually dead to Father God, and it is only Jesus' shed blood that atones for us in God's eyes... When we invite Jesus into our lives, His Holy spirit unites with our spirit, and our spirit is grafted into Him... Our spirit is grafted into Jesus, and He is Vine... He is the Tree of Life... And as we abide in Him, we manifest all forms of His good fruit, including the fruit of faith. Misc- *The words 'male' & 'female' refer to physical gender in scripture... Each of us are male & female biologically speaking... Males having more testosterone, females having more estrogen. *The terms 'man' & 'husband' are sometimes referencing our 'Spirit' in scripture. *The terms 'woman' & 'wife' are sometimes referencing our soul in scripture. (Our soul is our mind, will, emotions & personality)... Our soul is born into the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (it is born cursed with the Adamic/self godhood nature), and God calls our soul to work out its salvation, meaning once Jesus unites with our Spirit,our soul life is to die to serving our Adamic nature and sinning (producing evil fruit) and then attempting to atone for ourselves by producing good fruit out of our Adamic nature (good works for the law). *When we abide in Him, we will mess up (sin), but it is Him holding us showing us ourselves, lovingly drawing out our impurity, and we are simply to ask forgiveness and return to abiding in Him... This is how we experientially come to know that Jesus is who He said He was... This is how we experientially come to know that He is NOT what the church system of man and the rest of the world says He is... And when our soul/woman/wife has yielded completely to to our spirit man in Christ/husband, this is the salvation of our soul... It is the entering into the fullness of the knowledge of Christ... It is being "Dead In Christ"... It is the marriage of our soul to Christ, consummating in the birthing of the ManChild from WithIn us... It is entering into the I AM... It is entering into oneness with Jesus, that He live uniquely through you in unabated fashion. *(Eve was Adam's woman/wife/soul, taken from deep within his essence, and given unto him as a helpmate). *Satan and Lucifer are two different individuals... Lucifer is the serpent who tempted Eve (Adam's soul) with the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil... Adam wanted to be like God, so she got the fruit for him, and he partook of it so he could, as the serpent said, become like God. *So, who is Satan? ... After the fall and being banished to earth, Adam's heart eventually grew so hard to God that he degenerated into the individual we refer to as Satan. *Adam was a physical hermaphrodite, and gave physical birth to Cain and Abel.

It is a good thing that you have a Christian family to pray and encourage you and your wife in raising your child in the wisdom of the Lord. There is nothing wrong with even the church you attend to be open to doing a church baby dedication and many find this to be a valuable tradition. There is no explicit scriptural mandate whereby Christians must perform baby dedications; however, there are scriptural elements being conveyed in these dedications. The parents of many denominational and non-denominational churches today publicly dedicate their children to the Lord by virtue of the fact that they want their children to serve the Lord Jesus Christ. In their understanding, dedicating their children to the Lord is tantamount to professing a commitment  before God and the church  that they will raise their children in the fear and nurture of the Lord (e.g., Deut. 11:18-21; 32:46; Prov. 22:6; Isa. 38:19; Eph. 6:4; 2 Tim. 3:14-15). In this sense, parents, their children, and the body of Christ are potentially benefited. Thus, while not necessarily supported by Scripture, baby dedications may be viewed as glorifying God. Blessings.

We all experience life in a sinful and fallen world, which manifest in bouts of depression. Depression comes in a variety of ways and intensities. No simple answers. It is always important to find comfort in Christ within the context of the community of Christ. To understand more on grappling well with depression, see www.equip.org/articles/the-bible-and-depression/ www.equip.org/articles/lessons-in-salvation-from-disenfranchised-grief/ and www.equip.org/articles/religious-doubt-grows-agonizing/#christian-books-2 For some (but not all) successful treatment for depression may include medication. See www.equip.org/article/christians-take-antidepressants/

He can not save and then unsave? You are making up your own ideas. Our full salvation does not even come until he appears a second time to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him (Hebrews 9:29). He who stands firm until the end shall be saved (Mathew 10:22).

How did you come up with that conclusion? Yes, Jesus paid for the sins of the world with his blood. But only through belief, confession. and repentance will anybody’s sins be forgiven. All past sins are forgiven when someone first believes and repents. All future sins still require confession and a repentant heart through that same belief and faith we have in the Lord in order for God to forgive.

@@brendac4283 which means you have not believed Jesus Christ finished work on the cross.

vinay If you believe in Jesus’ finished work on the cross, then you would understand about asking for forgiveness of sins, confessing sins, and repenting. What Jesus has done for you on the cross and his Spirit living in you would convict you of such things. Nowhere in the Bible does it ever say that if you think you can lose your salvation, then you aren’t saved. You teach a false doctrine that keeps people in their sins.

@@brendac4283 *"How did you come up with that conclusion?"* when you trust Christ for your salvation, then all your sins are paid for by the blood of Christ -> and you can't be condemned for it. John 5:24 _"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, _*_and shall not come into condemnation;_*_ but is passed from death unto life."_ you believe -> you have eternal life you believe -> you pass from death to life you believe -> you can't be condemned from your sins anymore you believe -> you can't loose salvation. . *"Yes, Jesus paid for the sins of the world with his blood. But only through belief, confession. and repentance will anybody’s sins be forgiven."* 1) confession you are a sinner comes first (or else you can't know you need a savior) 2) *repentance from dead works* (hebrew6:1) and faith toward Christ comes second -> not repentance from sins (not biblical) 3) repentance from sins is works, a lot of works, and is part of being a disciple and a good christian, not part of the requirement to be a christian (saved). . *"All past sins are forgiven when someone first believes and repents. All future sins still require confession and a repentant heart through that same belief and faith we have in the Lord in order for God to forgive."* This is not biblical, and this is work salvation. Working on your own righteousness cannot be part of salvation. And the distinction between past and future sins is never made in the context of salvation, *not biblical again.* . *"@Brenda C which means you have not believed Jesus Christ finished work on the cross."* Vinay is right. If you put something coming from your righteousness (repenting from sins) in the requirement for salvation, then you are confessing out loud that the blood of Christ is insufficient for your salvation ... . *"If you believe in Jesus’ finished work on the cross, then you would understand about asking for forgiveness of sins, confessing sins, and repenting. What Jesus has done for you on the cross and his Spirit living in you would convict you of such things."* Yes, and this is sanctification(discipleship) not salvation. if you loose salvation because you fail at being a good christian, then the gift from God wasn't really free, wasn't it? . *"Nowhere in the Bible does it ever say that if you think you can lose your salvation, then you aren’t saved."* neither is _'repenting from sins to be saved',_ but it doesn't prevent you from spreading the lie. And yes, if you first believed, then got your mind twisted up by some false teachers who told you you could loose the free gift by demerit, then you are still saved ofc. And yes it is not stated in the bible, it is a logical conclusion. -> *you want to pay (with your repentance from sins) for the free gift means you are refusing God's charity (grace).* . *"You teach a false doctrine that keeps people in their sins."* Never asked anyone to stay in their sins, and never encouraged it. However i always encourage people to stop trusting their own righteousness (repenting from sins) to be saved, since it makes them *reject* the free gift of salvation, by asking for a salary. jonas 3:10 _"And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way ..."_ *=> God sees repenting from sins as works.*

Nicolas Thank for you in-depth reply. Not too many people bother to respond like you did. So I do appreciate your time. 🔹Peter says that when we believed, our PAST SINS were paid for. “But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their PAST sins.” 2 Peter‬ ‭1:9‬ ‭ 🔹Just like believing has a definitive starting point, it can have an ending point too. Luke 8:13 says that some people for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away. They fall away from belief. If you don’t believe, then you don’t have Christ, and you don’t have eternal life. 🔹Dead works are works that lead to death. Dead works are sins. If you don’t have a repentant heart, then you are storing up WRATH from God (Romans 2:5). Therefore, you must have repentance in order not to have God’s wrath. 🔹Jesus tells us (Believers) that when we pray to God we are to ask for forgiveness of our sins daily. (Mathew 6:11-12). James tells us that believer who sins and wanders from truth can be brought back and saved from death through repentance. James 5:19-20 James also says that when a believer sins he will be forgiven through prayer and confession. James 5:15-16 🔹No where in the Bible does it say that repenting from sins is a form of self-righteousness. When Jonah obeyed God and went to Nineveh and proclaimed, “Forty more days and Nineveh will be overturned,” the people of Nineveh *BELIEVED* God. They showed their belief by their actions. They declared a fast, all of them, from the greatest to the least, and they put on sackcloth. They repented. It was only when God **SAW** what they **DID** and how they TURNED FROM THEIR EVIL WAYS, he had compassion and did not bring upon them the destruction he had threatened. (Jonah 3:4-10, Matthew 12:40-41). 🔹The free gift for salvation has always had contingencies on it. Even the ABC’s that many proclaim are needed for salvation are contingencies. The free gift is for those who believe, have faith, listen to the voice of Jesus, follow Jesus, and know Jesus (John 14:27). You don’t pay for the gift with your repentance, instead you BUY the truth and sell it not.

@Reddog555 - never herd of the fella. Know nothing of what the guy stands for. Hank deals with issues of religious liberty in general on the Hank Unplugged interviews... www.equip.org/category/hank-unplugged-podcast-and-shorts/ See also www.equip.org/articles/winning-the-fight-for-religious-freedom/

I’m very familiar with Hank. I’ve been listening to him on the Bible Answer Man program since 1989. I have alot of respect for what he does and his opinions on things. I posted a link to one of Brother Nathanael’s KZfaq videos where he refutes Ben Shapiro. Brother Nathanael grew up as a Jew in Judaism and converted to the Russian Orthodox Church as an adult.

Thanks. Good to know.

Neuro Mancer, I hear you!!! I backside big time for a while & worry about it. But God, I believe, sometimes allows us to go our own way so we can truly see our sin & he can begin to chisel out those places we may not have even realized were there. Only then was I truly able to grieve my sin & move to repent. He always knew I was going to do this & I truly believe I’ve had a genuine faith relationship with Him. As Hank said...only God knows the heart. Blessings to you!

@@kellynewquist5105 I don't think I ever got a notification that you replied to this! "Only then was I truly able to grieve my sin & move to repent" - yes indeed! It's a profound grief and regret over it. I don't ever want to live like that again. Even when I think it's too late and "it is impossible to be renewed to repentance" I think to myself 'I _still_ don't want to live like that!' . It's quite a quandary to be in. Bless you in Him, Kelly!

The thief on the cross is easy to answer. Jesus was/is God while on earth, born UNDER THE LAW and had power to forgive sins. The thief on the cross was under the Law and was far from the ONLY person with whom Jesus forgave sin. The New Testament wasn't in effect until AFTER the Testator dies, Hebrews 9:16-17. Everyone after the beginning of the church falls under the doctrine of the Apostles, Acts 2:42 which is the teachings of the church of Christ.

You're a calvinist.

@@craigezell4261 not really, i don’t label myself such,I just love the truth..

@@SonzofZion967 that star on your profile is demonic. The star of david isn't biblical and has nothing to do with true judah nor david. Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

Baptism is done in obedience to God as a public showing of your faith. It is not a requirement for salvation, but is done after you are saved. Much like how a wedding ring is a symbol of your marriage, it isn't your marriage, nor is it required in order to be married.

Part of a tract put out by Catholic answers: "The Lord himself affirms that baptism is necessary for salvation [John 3:5]. . . . Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament [Mark 16:16]" (CCC 1257). and Yet Christians have also always realized that the necessity of water baptism is a normative rather than an absolute necessity. There are exceptions to water baptism: It is possible to be saved through "baptism of blood," martyrdom for Christ, or through "baptism of desire", that is, an explicit or even implicit desire for baptism.

If OSAS is true and one can never lose their salvation once they are saved/born again, then the apostles and the millions of people over the centuries did not know it. They all died terrible deaths for Christ for no reason. They could have just renounced Jesus when they were threatened, saved their lives in the moment of distress, gone away to safety, and then continued their beliefs and their ministries later. Jesus could have prevented a lot of needless deaths by just telling people to deny Him when threatened and then go back to worshipping Him when it was safe again to do so. If one could never lose their salvation once saved, then one could deny being a Christian when their life, job, or anything else was threatened. So if OSAS is true then millions of Christians suffered and died terrible deaths for their faith and they did not need to.

Of course a person can lose their salvation. The prodigal son is one of many examples

Well said David

David Hall Does not James White believe that God did not only allow Adam and Eve to sin but He made them sin because He wanted sin to come into our world ? Does James White not believe that God not only allow the Holocaust to happen but He made it happen ? Does He not believe that God has arbitrarily predestined some people to heaven and others to hell so that people can not choose if they want to worship God or not ? The god that James White believes in is an evil psychopath.

The scripture talks of being saved. Eternally. But those who reject it. Think you are saying you can just sin. So they are about working for their salvation. And they never rest in Jesus.

Of course a person can lose their salvation. The prodigal son is one of many examples.

@curtis-thebicentennialist1776 Point of view shared appreciated.

do you or do you not believe in OSAS?

@@tsunadesenju5856 if by OSAS you mean repentance and a transformed lifestyle doesn't follow naturally.. Then no I do not. If by OSAS you mean the perseverance of the Saints... Then yes, God keeps all of His children until the end and will transform them into the image of Jesus over time.

@@sir0594 are you saying it's impossible for God's "children" to turn away from God just like what lucifer and the other fallen angels did?

@@tsunadesenju5856 I'm saying God has promised to to keep those he saves.

You are so right. In those verses we read of folks who are trying to be justified by their works and Jesus says, "I never knew you." He didn't know them at one time and now He doesn't. He says, they were never saved. Of course their argument was, "We did this and we did that in Your Name." Jesus is telling them their works won't get them into the Kingdom of Heaven. He says, "Whoever does My Father's will." What is His will? John 6:40, "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day." I think you're right, that passage among others answers this pretty clearly. There are also many other passages on eternal security, salvation by faith, etc. Thanks for sharing.

@@martin9410 U r mistaken These have been fulfilled John 6:37-39 37 All whom the Father gives Me will come to Me, and he who comes to Me I will never cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.39 This is the will of the Father who has sent Me, that of all whom He has given Me, I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. John 10 27-29 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. John 17:12 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. I have kept those whom You have given Me. And none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. Now lets look at John 18 and we can see they have been fulfilled already John 18:8-9 8 Jesus answered, “I told you that I am He. So then let these go their way if you are looking for Me.” 9 This was to fulfill the word which He had spoken, “I have lost none of those whom You have given Me. If you examine these 3 passages, they all speak about the “ones given by the Father”. A common mistake is to assume this speaks of the church today. Look at what happens when Jesus was arrested in 18:8-9. It seems the soldiers were going to arrest the disciples too, but Jesus asked they let the disciples go. John wrote in verse 9 that this was done to FULFILL the word “I have lost none…”. By ensuring the disciples were safe, Jesus fulfilled His word that all of them were not lost. Thus, this closes the works in the other 2 passages since Jesus fulfilled His word in making sure they were not killed. As this was fulfilled back then, it has no application to the church today.

Aaron Michael You’ve made a common mistake by not considering the context of each passage carefully. In John 6, it is obvious that Jesus is addressing the crowd that followed Him, but certainly it is true the last passage you used prior to Jesus’ arrest does relate as Jesus stated it did. Why are you so afraid of the eternal security that Jesus insured with His sacrifice and resurrection? You are suggesting that Jesus’ sacrifice was enough to get us saved, but not enough to keep us saved? How can your faithfulness and works improve upon what Jesus has already done? Is eternal life a gift or a salary? Is eternal life something that is given or something that you earn? Name one work that you can do better than Jesus to insure your eternal future. John 5:24 is very clear that once someone truly believes and is born from above, that they will not be judged and have “already passed from death to life.” God is no respecter of persons when it comes to eternal life. His eternal guarantee of one’s redemption being sealed by the Holy Spirit is for all who come to Him.

D. L. Starkey That is an incorrect assumption. Matthew 7:21-23 tells us why those people were not let into the Kingdom and why Jesus never knew them. It is explicitly stated for us. We don’t need to make the text say more than it does. “depart from me, ye that work *INIQUITY* .” - Greek world: anomia anomia: lawlessness Original Word: ἀνομία, ας, ἡ Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine Transliteration: anomia Phonetic Spelling: (an-om-ee'-ah) Definition: lawlessness Usage: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin. So while these people profess Lord and do many wonderful works, they still practice SIN; they don’t do the will of the Father (verse 21) which includes many, many things. Jesus doesn’t *KNOW* these people because they don’t keep his commands. John 10:17, tells us that his sheep hear his voice, he KNOWS them, and they follow him. 1 John 3:6 also tells us, “ No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or KNOWN him.”

@@martin9410 "How can your faithfulness and works improve upon what Jesus has already done?" The dichotomy between Faith and Works is false since to believe is Work for the Ego just as much as anything else. The point is that the Ego cannot verb its way to Grace. If you can believe your way to salvation, then, lo and behold, there IS something you can do - ie Works - to get salvation: I believe->salvation, I stop believing-> salvations stops, I start believing again->salvation is restarted. "Name one work that you can do better than Jesus to insure your eternal future." God opened the door with his Grace, you have to go through it - that entails lots of Works and Faith.

No not true, blatant heresy. Think of the prodigal son parable

As far as I know, and I'm sure you know there is only one "unforgivable" sin which is to blaspheme the holy spirit.

To say you can never reject Christ after salvation is absurd. The bible also talks of a great falling away. You can't fall away from something you were never part of. We don't lose free will when we say a prayer for salvation. We must endure to the end to be saved or Jesus will erase our name out of the book if life. So much for the idea that those who fall away were never REALLY saved. Even if that were the case, then that just means none of us will know if we're really saved until the end.

Yes they can! The parable of the sower says so

Actually the parable of the sower doesn't say so. Let's look at one of the parallel passages in Luke 8:11-15 "11 “Now the parable is this: the seed is the word of God. 12 Those beside the road are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart, so that they will not believe and be saved. 13 Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away. 14 The seed which fell among the thorns, these are the ones who have heard, and as they go on their way they are choked with worries and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to maturity. 15 But the seed in the good soil, these are the ones who have heard the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and bear fruit with perseverance." First, the only time salvation is even mentioned is regarding the first soil: "...so they will not believe and be saved." This not only tells us they're not saved, but tells us why, "because they will not believe." The second soil are those who "receive the word with joy," but drift away because of temptation. Notice there is no mention of salvation like with the first soil. Their salvation isn't being discussed, but their fruitfulness, maturity and shallowness is being discussed. The third soil are those who allow themselves to be overcome with the "worries and riches and pleasures of this life." And notice what Jesus says about them, they "bring no fruit to maturity." Salvation is not the topic but rather fruitfulness. Then we get to the last soil and they are bearing "fruit with perseverance." Other passages speak of 30 fold , etc. So this parable doesn't say that one can lose their salvation at all. This is more a parable about the different types of soil, their response to the Gospel and their fruitfulness or lack thereof. This is probably why Jesus uses the example of the soil, which implies fruit bearing.

And where do you read in the Bible that a person cannot be unborn again? You cannot backread onto the passage of a parable from further principles in the analogy and put words into the Lord's mouth. I would stiffly caution you against that. This is exactly how doctrine's of men are created in the first place, even if you are a woman, perhaps.

Backsliding is not loosing salvation, loosing salvation is loosing The seal ( Holy Spirit ) God works in mysterious ways.

@@nnamdiokwuosa9616 Of course a person can lose their salvation. The prodigal son is one of many examples.

Okay, that's what I thought. Great! Thank you Fr. (I'm sure you meant 1 Cor 10:12)

faithofourfathers there is no absolute assurance we are working out our salvation, we must finish the race, we won't know for sure until we meet Jesus. Always have a healthy fear of the Lord, repenting always, dieing to self every day.

Romans 8:16 - "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God."

Of course a person can lose their salvation. The prodigal son is one of many examples.

Not about a believer! Servants and sons are not the same. Servants are under a schoolmaster (the law). But when one comes to Christ, he is made a son.

@@graftme3168 James 1:1 "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting." 2 Timothy 2:24-26 "And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will."

A servant, not a son. Jesus preached the kingdom of God, not the Gospel because He hadn't died yet. The book of Romans explains the Gospel. Once you believe and are saved you become a child of God who is sealed (marked, owned, secured, identified) by the Holy Spirit who bears witness with your spirit that you belong to God.

@@TheGreatSkull123 I'm not buying one bit of what you're trying to sell. You say _"Friend, our salvation does not hinge on our performance; our merit; or what we do. We can do nothing to maintain our salvation."_ Maybe you've never stopped to wonder why Paul warned us to "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Phil 2:12). Maybe you think the apostle Peter was all wrong when he warned us to "give diligence to make our calling and election sure" (2 Peter 1:10). Do you think the warning in Hebrews 12:15 not to "fail of the grace of God" was for someone else? Same goes for the warning that we can fall away _even after receiving the holy spirit_ (Hebrews 6:4-6). Here is Hebrews 4:1; to me it very strongly "suggests" that we should not ever think we "have it made": ⚫ "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it." (Hebrews 4:1) Paul understood that even after preaching to others he could possibly return to a life of sin and become a "castaway": ⚫ "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway" (1 Corinthians 9:27) You say there is nothing we need to do. Jesus says we must abide in Him, and remain in repentance, and overcome slavery to sin: ⚫ "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." (Jesus, in John 15:6) ⚫ "Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." (Luke 13:4,5) ⚫ "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death." (Revelation 2:11) ⚫ "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels." (Revelation 3:5) Here's a few more verses refuting "once saved, always saved." ⚫ Romans 11:19-22: The apostle Paul warned that Gentiles, even after being "graffed" into the "vine," could be "cut off" the vine, just as the "natural branches" - the Israelites - had been broken off: "Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." ⚫ 2 Peter 2:20-22 If, after overcoming sin through knowing Jesus, a person then returns to sin, "the latter end is worse with them than the beginning." "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire." ⚫ Hebrews 10:26,27 delivers the same warning about returning to sin: "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."

@@TheGreatSkull123 You wrote: _"Nowhere in ALL of scripture can you find an example of a person who is truly saved later being lost and condemned."_ Of course not: no one has been condemned because there has yet not been a resurrection for judgment: "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." (John 5:28,29)

Hank addresses your question in this video… kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mKdibJWexsjDZ6M.html See also the following articles… www.equip.org/bible_answers/how-can-i-be-certain-that-ive-not-committed-the-unforgivable-sin/ www.equip.org/articles/what-is-the-unpardonable-sin/

@JaimeCunanan-vn1eh Hank stresses that authentic Christianity is more than just an event or moment; rather, it is a relationship with God through Christ according to the power of the Holy Spirit. Not a proposition or deal but a relationship. Vladimir Lossky puts it this way: “After the Fall, human history is a long shipwreck awaiting rescue: but the port of salvation is not the goal; it is the possibility for the shipwrecked to resume his journey whose sole goal is union with God.”

@@BibleAnswerMan Once saved always saved ( that is, once born again of The Holy Spirit and the word ) always saved - is the true Gospel which satan does not want people to know - Arminianism is as false as it's twin sister deception of Calvinism. There is one Gospel and it includes OSAS.

What Does Jesus Teach Amen

@@TheGreatSkull123 Let me be clear. The fact that someone departed from the truth does not mean even later that they cannot repent and come back to Christ and true gospel. The point I am making here is that if someone says a person who departs proves they were never saved to begin with, then the example in Acts 20 disproves that idea. So often, many (not all) who believe in OSAS will say your current behavior, actions and decisions prove that a person is not really saved, while on the other end saying faith alone is what saves. The passage in Acts 20 shows true genuinely saved people who were appointed by the Holy Spirit would later turn to false teachings and draw others away as well, which proves a truly once saved person CAN turn to false gospel teachings and become a false teacher themselves. The other concept is that if there is anything a person needs to do to be saved they are in essence “helping God”. Let me be clear. God does not need any of our help, and in that I think we agree. However, fulfilling a request from God in order to have something does not equate to us “helping God”. When Abraham was asked to sacrifice Isaac, did God need the help of Abraham? Of course not. It was a test of obedience to test out Abraham’s faith. I believe in Jesus, but I believe in ALL of Jesus, not just some parts. His teachings included beautiful blessings and promises as well as warnings and teachings of how we will be hated by the world if we follow Him. I actually believe it is this kind of OSAS teaching that if you depart, you were never saved is truly an attack on assurance of salvation. You see, a non-osas believer would tell a person struggling with sin that they can trust God to help them overcome that sin, confess and repent from it. The OSAS person would say if a person is struggling with deep sin that they were never saved to begin with. So if a person genuinely placed their faith in Jesus in the past, and is presently struggling, they would question whether they ever got saved in the first place with such a teaching. That is a HUGE discouragement, and they may find themselves in despair feeling they can never make it. Yet a non-osas would tell the person simply this: “If you genuinely placed your faith in Christ, you were indeed saved at that point (Eph 2:8-9). Amen. However, you have fallen into grave sin, and are now a slave to sin again (Rom 6:16). But as scripture says, I am here to help lead you back to Christ and away from your error so your soul can be saved in the end (James 5:19-20). For Jesus said, it is the one who endures to the end who will be saved (Matt 10:22)” A person who believes in the kind of osas that believes if you fall into deep sin, it proves you were never saved in the first place, could only tell a person they were never really saved and your actions prove you were never a child of God in the first place. THAT is very cold, discouraging and makes you an accuser.

@@TheGreatSkull123 You said “try to disrupt the Gospel message and that even among their own group there will be people who APPEAR to be save” Where in scripture in Acts 20 do you find “appear” to be saved. Paul said plainly and directly that the Holy Spirit (not a man) selected them to be overseers. Do you really think the Holy Spirit will put an unbeliever into the position of overseer at the church? I would hope not. You say that is the context, but the context is supposed to INCLUDE the message you are sharing, and I don’t find that anywhere. Regarding Jude 1:24 about God is able to keep us from falling. It is a great promise, but not at the expense of skipping verse 20-21, which call for US to BUILD our faith and keep OURSELVES in the love of God. We cannot ignore the responsibility we are called to have here. I'll stop here and let you address these first so it doesn't get too long.

Slikk You take Scripture out of context. Did works save you? Seriously, did WORKS save you?? Then how do you believe that works can KEEP you saved? It was a gift of God. His Grace, through simple childlike faith in Jesus Christ alone. “These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬ www.bible.com/1/1jn.5.13.kjv

@ MLuff 1611 Yes, it's through His Grace that we are saved. That does not eliminate our free will though. It's true, he will never walk away from us, but we could still walk away from Him if we chose to. Once again... Our free will is never out of play. That said, I can't understand why any Christian would run the risk of leading someone astray with this dangerous (OSAS) doctrine. If you think it doesn't matter how you live, take a look at these verses... Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. You realize that the people referred to in Mat 7:22 and Mat 7:23 thought they were saved don't you? The wicked could care less about doing anything in the name of the Lord. So yes, these people thought they were good to go. But Jesus tells them to depart from Him. Why? Because they work iniquity. 1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. You can ignore these verses if you want, but there are several verses in the bible that tell us to keep God's commandments. Hbr 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, How clear do you need it to be? Hbr 10:26 is telling us plain as day, the sacrifice no longer remains for those who continue to sin willfully. It's really very simple. It's through Jesus Christ that any of us are saved. And right out of the mouth of Jesus Himself, He tells us all... Jhn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Slikk Matt 7:22-23. Jesus says “I NEVER knew you”....not, “I once knew you, when you trusted and believed in Me, but then you screwed up and backslid and now I don’t know you.” The Lord Jesus Christ says.... “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, HATH everlasting life, and SHALL NOT come into condemnation; but is PASSED FROM DEATH UNTO LIFE.” ‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬ HATH = PRESENT TENSE PASSED = PAST TENSE www.bible.com/1/jhn.5.24.kjv Being saved by His amazing grace through faith is a GIFT. It’s NOT earned, you can’t work for it, you can’t pay for it, you can choose to accept it or reject it. The willful sin in Hebrews 10 is a specific sin to a specific audience of Hebrews/Jewish converts to Christianity and potential-converts (hence the title HEBREWS). Whomever the author of Hebrews is, was giving a warning to these new Jewish converts...(WHO WERE SERIOUSLY CONTEMPLATING GOING BACK TO THE TEMPLE SYSTEM OF ANIMAL SACRIFICES), ...not to go there, because if they do, there remains no more sacrifice for sin because the OLD COVENANT AND ITS ANIMAL SACRIFICES are done away with, gone, goodbye, adios...the new covenant is here and in full effect. By going back to animal sacrifices, they would trample our Lord and Savior under their feet and put Him to an open shame, and besides, they’re utterly worthless because those sacrifices were done away. Only faith in Jesus Christ and His sacrifice is acceptable for the forgiveness of sins. You say that we must “overcome”, the Bible says we must “overcome”....here it is explained who “overcomes”... “Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that BELIEVETH that Jesus is the Son of God?” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬ www.bible.com/1/1jn.5.5.kjv “He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:10-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬ www.bible.com/1/1jn.5.10-14.kjv You may KNOW you have eternal life. If you are passed from death unto life, then how can you go back to death from life? Makes no sense whatsoever. “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:” ‭‭John‬ ‭11:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬ www.bible.com/1/jhn.11.25.kjv “Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.” ‭‭John‬ ‭6:27‬ ‭KJV‬‬ www.bible.com/1/jhn.6.27.kjv “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” ‭‭John‬ ‭6:40‬ ‭KJV‬‬ www.bible.com/1/jhn.6.40.kjv “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.” ‭‭John‬ ‭6:47‬ ‭KJV‬‬ www.bible.com/1/jhn.6.47.kjv Don’t confuse that which is done for salvation with that which is done for debt, service to the Lord, discipleship and obeying His commands to follow Him and preach the gospel. Works can’t save you... “What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭4:1-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬ www.bible.com/1/rom.4.1-8.kjv Sin ONE TIME, you’ve broken the ENTIRE LAW “But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.” ‭‭James‬ ‭2:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬ www.bible.com/1/jas.2.9-10.kjv You have sin you don’t even know about. Did you fail to witness to a homeless guy on the sidewalk today? Did you share the Gospel today? Any lustful thoughts? Did you have any bias or respecter of persons towards any person who didn’t look like you or an unclean, poor homeless person? Guess what??!! Even your righteous deeds are filthy rags to the Lord? “But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.” ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭64:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬ www.bible.com/1/isa.64.6.kjv There IS NO ONE RIGHTEOUS, we have all sinned. Jesus Christ’s righteousness is imputed to us. “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes. Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:10-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬ www.bible.com/1/rom.3.10-23.kjv

@ MLuff 1611: It sounds like you are really trying hard to ignore key parts of Mat 7:22 and 7:23 to fit your agenda. I’ll try to help you understand these verses… Mat 7:22 “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord”… Notice that the people in this verse are referring to Jesus as (Lord). This would have to be people who consider themselves to be saved. Mat 7:22 “have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works”? Notice that these people claim to have done all these works (in the name of Jesus). Again... This is something only people claiming to be saved would say. Mat 7:23 “And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you”:… What Jesus is saying here is that although these people are (claiming Jesus to be Lord), in reality, (these people do evil). How do we know this? It says it right in the next part of the verse… Mat 7:23 "depart from me, ye that work iniquity". 1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Moral of the story… You can say the magic words all you want, but we will all be known by our fruits. Do you not know that faith without works is dead? Jam 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, beingalone. Jam 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Jam 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. Jam 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Jam 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Jam 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? Jam 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Jam 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Jam 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent [them] out another way? Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. The (OSAS) doctrine tickles the ears of lazy Christians who can’t be bothered to fight the good fight. Sure, they'll take the justification part of this in a heart beat, but when it comes to the sanctification part of this that tells us to repent and walk away from our sins, they'll act as if that part doesn't exist. So if you want to believe in this false/dead (OSAS) doctrine go right ahead. As for me, I’m just trying to help keep someone else from making the same mistake you are making. Jhn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. There is no way to spin this verse to make it say anything other than what it says. I don’t see how any Christian in their right mind can argue against this. To anyone else who might be reading this... Jesus says to us all… If you love me, keep my commandments. And anyone telling you that you are (NOT) to keep His commandments is either in grave error or purposely trying to lead you astray.

Slikk I say this in love...truly....you are calling God a liar. You are saying that Grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone is NOT enough to save, to redeem. That the blood of the cross isn’t sufficient, it takes OUR own works, our merit, our efforts to save us or to keep us saved. You must be one miserable dude, with no security in his salvation, always wondering if you’re doing ALL that you can to “stay in good graces”...ALL that you can to do the works, gotta work, gotta keep on working to prove to those “Christians who don’t work as much as ME” that I’m a real, true blue Christian. You’re a Pharisee. You yourself are depending on your works (the Law) to save you or keep you saved. Those “Christians” who said “Lord, Lord” and were rejected all depended on their WORKS (hmm, sounds like you)...they had a knowledge of the Lord but didn’t rely on Grace through faith in Jesus Christ ALONE...they all relied on WORKS, read it again. The James 2 “faith without works is dead” reference is referring to Christians being justified in front of other Christians or other people by the works they do that shows their faith. If you say you’re a Christian but don’t go see your Mom in the nursing home, your faith is dead in front of other people. The whole context of the entire chapter is to show your faith to others by your works! James is not saying that unless you have works, you aren’t saved! Look at verses 15 and 16...James is saying to do something for others to show your faith. Look at vs 23, Abraham’s faith was counted for righteousness (Abraham is saved by faith alone) but through his work, he is “justified” in the sight of others and shows the world the faith that is inside of his heart and mind. I used to be like you. The Lord’s blessings upon you and your family. Romans 15:13

@Belief03 - There's the difference - though some people can stray for a time - but OSAS is clear as day in Scripture and someone has propagated this Arminian deception - who ? The same ones that propagated Calvinism - mitre of Dagon anyone ?

Hi Darrell!

Ro Bus Repent, believe and be baptized and after that, if you commit mortal sin, Repent, believe and confess. That, in essence, is the Message of Salvation, also to partake in the Eucharist which is the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ

This is false. This is the teaching of American Christianity, not the teaching of the Bible and certainly not the teaching of the early church fathers.

That’s exactly right @jonathan…hank concerns me

Judas never believed. Next caller

@@getrit3007 Scripture never tells us that Judas didn’t believe

@@jaredhanley6097 what does this mean? John 6:64 (KJV) But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that BELIEVED NOT, and who should BETRAY him.

Once saved always saved came from the mouth of Jesus himself!!! I give unto them eternal life Jesus said, and they shall never perish and never means never!! Also, take a deeper look at the commandments Jesus was speaking of.. this command was to love him love one another and to believe in him.. Jesus mentions nothing about the ten commandments or keeping the 613 other commandments..

@@jayheinz4624 What you describe is the effect of salvation, but point out which verse says that if you return to sin you will keep that salvation. In the other hand you have clear teachings of Jesus, as I mentioned before, asking to respond to the gospel with good work. John 14:15, “if you love Me, you will keep My commandments”. Hope you open your hart to the Bible wisdom and not keep traditions invented by false teachers. Blessing.

@@ricardosal2356 I pray that the seeds that I have shared with you from the true gospel of grace of Jesus Christ will take hold, maybe someday with you my friend.. the true Grace of freedom in Christ.

@@jayheinz4624 Amen!

Either we are born again or not. If any man be in Christ he is a new creation, the old man Adam is passed away and all things become new If we are born again by the Spirit of God in Christ, we are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise and we cannot be unborn, we are complete in Christ, therefore we cannot do anything to add to our salvation and cannot do anything to lose our salvation.John 3:1-8; 2 Corinthians 5:17-21; Ephesians 1:13; Colossians 2:10. View on You Tube--Assurance Of Our Salvation In Christ by Afzal Ali.Shalom.

Afzal Ali If that were the case, then there wouldn’t be all these **IFS** when salvation is being addressed... 🔹”By this gospel you are saved, **IF** you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain” (1 Corinthians 15:2) 🔹”Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because **IF** you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.” (1 Timothy 4:16) 🔹“I am the vine; you are the branches. **IF** you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. **IF** you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. “ (John 15:6-7) 🔹“you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. For **IF** God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.” (Romans 11:20-21) 🔹 “But women will be saved through childbearing- **IF** they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.” (1Timothy 2:15) 🔹” **IF** we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.” (Hebrews 10:26-27) 🔹 “ **IF** they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.” (2 Peter 2:20-21) 🔹”Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation- **IF** you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel.” (Colossians 1:21-23) 🔹” But **IF** you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. (Rev3:3) 🔹”I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: **IF** anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And **IF** anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.” (Rev 22:18-19) 🔹” **IF** anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” (Revelation 14:9-11) 🔹 “ **IF** you love Me, keep My commandments.” (John 14:15) 🔹” **IF** anyone does not love the Lord, let that person be cursed! Come, Lord!” (1 Corinthians 16:22) 🔹 “No one has ever seen God; but **IF** we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.” (1 John 4:12) 🔹”As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. **IF** it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us-eternal life.” (1 John 2:24-25)

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Scripture? Or the quote from some theologian?

Of course a person can lose their salvation. The prodigal son is one of many examples.

@@timothyseals3791 the prodigal son was welcomed back by the Father. He never lost the love of the father. The father saw his son from far off coming home which implies he never stopped waiting for his son. Sorry but you are speaking another gospel. We can NOT lose our salvation bc it is a gift from God.

@@Knitted_together_by_Jesus If the son did not decide to come back to the father, would he still remain saved living a life of sin?

Which has nothing to do with the topic. God won't override our free will. You don't surrender free will when you get saved.

1. Hank is not Roman Catholic. 2. PROTESTANT Traditions baptize infants (Anglicans, Lutherans, Reformed Presbyterians).

@edwardadams7408 Does that encourage faithfulness in your life?

Strefanasha If you read a few scriptures before and after 1 John 2:19 you'll see John is talking about people who perpetrated themselves as followers of the Way, but were actually unbelievers. 1 John 2:20‭-‬22 "But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know. I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it, and because no lie is of the truth. Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son." There are other scriptures that back up 1 John 2. Ephesians 4:30....sealed by the Holy Spirit...for one In regards to Hebrews 6:4-6, the key word in the passage is "if" in verse 6. Hebrews 6:6 "If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." The writer of Hebrews is setting up a hypothetical statement: “IF a Christian were to fall away . . .” The point being made is that it would be impossible (IF a Christian falls away) to renew salvation. That’s because Christ died once for sin (Hebrews 9:28), and if His sacrifice is insufficient, then there’s no hope at all.The passage, therefore, presents an argument based on a false premise (that a true Christian can fall away) and follows it to its senseless conclusion (that Jesus would have to be sacrificed again and again). The absurdity of the conclusion points up the impossibility of the original assumption.

I agree

Keep it in context. It is not saying what you are using it for. You are misleading people. "...even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." It is taking about anti-Christs. These are those who oppose Christ. Also, it says "that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." NOT ALL... so it is not a principle. It is a statement that some were from them and some were not and we do not know by their leaving which were and which were not. So it direct contradicts what you said.

@@TheGreatSkull123 This is the most interesting article on that topic. Calvin invented that idea you cling to. It is not an historic doctrine saved believers have held at all in the Church at any time prior to the humanist lawyer, John Calvin. pintpipeandcross.wordpress.com/2016/08/29/the-early-church-believed-in-once-saved-always-oh-wait-no-they-didnt/

@@TheGreatSkull123 Consider also that the word for "predestined" only appears 6 times in the New Testament, 5 of those by Paul and 1 by Luke, Paul's traveling companion. None of the other authors of the New Testament, and especially not Jesus, ever use this idea. In addition, the word is completely and obviously mistranslated, based on a biased held in advance about the passage in which it appeared. I can prove this with a break down of the word. προορίζω comes from πρό + ὁρίζω πρό = fore ὁρίζω comes from ὅριον ὅριον = border, boundary, or limit ὁρίζω = to set a border, boundary, or limit So the term is to set a boundary for in advance. You can see it in operation in Romans 8:28 Ὅτι οὓς προέγνω, καὶ προώρισεν ... Because those whom he knows in advance and he sets boundaries for in advance ... The verbs are aorist tense, which is a timeless tense, which the timeless Present Perfect in English is to it. "I say" does not tell you when you say, now, yesterday, last week, but that you do it. The focus is on the action, not the time. This is how aorist works. Many translators translate aorist as past tense some of the time and anything else all other times. They refuse to translate it correctly, because they want it to reinforce their doctrine. I am a Linguist by my first profession and a theologian by my second. So I form my theology by what it says, not altering what it says to fit my theology. I suggest you pay heed to your doctrine so it conforms to the actual Testimony of God as it is actually written. Let go of the doctrines of men and embrace God's own Testimony.

Once saved always saved,, are the words of Jesus himself!!! I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish and never means never!. She who believes in me, shall never die! Check out all the Bible verses that say who you are, in Christ!!.. sealed until the day of redemption by the holy Spirit.. and by the way, I do not agree with the calvinist view..

@@jayheinz4624 You ignore all of Jesus words which warn about being faithful unto death then. Our good works can never be good enough, but faith without works is not a saving faith. Those are Jesus' words too. God bless.

@@yoshkebenstadapandora1181 Yoshke, that is an interesting name? Do you mind if I ask what country you're from? Ephesians 1:13 - 14,, two things only have to happen to be saved and it is to listen and to believe and then you are sealed with him, Jesus ,,by the holy Spirit! With regards to standing firm , the apostle Paul was speaking to the Corinthians and no doubt maybe only 60% of them were truly born again and saved. He was encouraging them, not warning them to hold fast, not forget what he had taught them about salvation. And at the same time, speaking to the unbelievers , who had only understood a part of the Gospel but had not accepted Jesus as Savior. In that time maybe only 20% of those in the church could read so these things, Paul's letters had to be read to everyone. And Paul wanted to make things very clear to those that were sitting on the fence so to speak. And also that they would not sway from the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. There's no works involved !we do not keep our salvation by works !we are saved by grace and faith alone.