You said Ben got -5.4 but it said 8 instead of 4

@@terryatlerjr6615 Good catch. I went back to check the score sheet and -5.8 is correct so I mispoke.

@@OnceUponAnIsland I am so confused as to where you find these forms, can you please let me know and I will fill them out

I posted links to them in my community tab here on KZfaq. I will be doing the same thing next year too 😊

@@OnceUponAnIsland Thank you so much I will check for the next time

Great idea! The patrons pick what videos I make.

@@OnceUponAnIsland I would love to see that!

@@OnceUponAnIsland i'll sub to your patreon if you take the bible quotes out of your videos

The Bible verses and my faith are here to stay, but I appreciate you watching the videos 😊

@@OnceUponAnIsland have faith in whatever you want, we'll always massively disagree over the quality of 23 as a season because you're a Christian and I'm not, and that's okay! The bible verses make me uncomfortable seeing them. I would be gung-ho to financially back your Patreon if you got rid of them.

Definitely. I think it will be fascinating to look at these throughout the years and see how the opinions change.

I love Yam Yam but I agree he should not be ahead of those players you mentioned.

Sorry but Kim should be 2nd or atleast in top 3😑

​@rosinelankos8010 winners at war really hurt her legacy I think. There had always been questions because her cast was so awful, s40 threw that back into doubt because she had absolutely no agency at any point in the game.

You should do your own personal one@@OnceUponAnIsland

Sophie is the only one that saw through him the whole game and he was such a threat in plain sight and no one seemed to notice. He is definitely the king.

he wouldnt survive merge if parv and others were there

@@rogerdodger1984 kim did too

@@nathangaspacio6128 yea youre right Kim did too but they both caught on waaay too late.

​@@rataliewhite498I kinda disagree. Tony was absolutely amazing at making other people seem like bigger targets than himself.

I still don’t understand how someone who makes a fake idol just to embarrass an old man on National television is a hero. I feel like she was an underdog and is around a lot of people even less likeable than her, but has 0 heroic qualities associated with her as a human

Bob was dragged to the end. He was the last of the onion alliance because the other members were more of a threat than him. It was only after Corrinne is voted out and Bob won immunity that the majority alliance crumbled.

It was a group effort for sure. What else are they gonna talk about? I bet they plot the whole time.

@@lolabush2201 They do, and I fully understand why. It just de-legitimizes his win for me when the playbook was handed to him lol. It wasn't some brilliant strategy, it was the de facto "only option" straight up delivered to him by the jury who had the power to give him the win in the first place

They were on that edge for a very long time with nothing to do. I'm sure they talked a lot of game strategy. For ever game move he used from them I'm sure there were like at least 50 he didn't. I think the majority of people who came back from the edge would still have lost. He found the right path out of many,.

@@PikachuPlays To be fair, Chris definitely had some great strategy and people skills. Especially the way he convinced Lauren to play her idol for him. The people on edge can talk a big game all they want, but few people would've come in and executed it as well as Chris did. I mean Natalie from WaW couldn't execute it

@@tmm4195 Yes, but the only reason he even knew about Lauren's idol was because Kelly told him about it on exile. If he didn't have that information, he wouldn't have been able to manipulate her.

That would be crazy!

Woo voting out Kass instead of Tony is the biggest butterfly effect in Survivor. Tony likely gets on Cambodia and probably gets voted off pretty early due to being such a crazy threat on one of the most recent popular seasons at the time. He still might get cast on Game Changers but still might get out pretty early. Woo likely plays on Winners at War but I don't think he wins the season

If woo voted out tony I'm pretty sure woo would win the season, tony would get voted early on cambodia, and we'd never see him again. In that timeline, Sophie might have won winners at war and if she continued the game she was playing she'd be in the running for our new goat

@@nathangaspacio6128 in this scenario I don’t think Sarah wins Game Changers because she wouldn’t have that Tony motivation. It’s likely Cirie wins

@@nathangaspacio6128It’s possible he does his tone down in public go crazy in private stratagey in winners at war, in either Cambodia or game changers and he could have won either season

I loved watching Mike dominate. I think seasons like World's apart are fun when they don't happen that often. I found it enjoyable because every episode, I wasn't sure if he was gonna make it. He was the obvious winner, the only question was if he could get there.

I love Mike's story.

Agreed, I feel like in a lot of seasons the physical aspects of the game get downplayed past the merge. It's refreshing to have a player who won through pure strength and willpower.

Can you please do a video on Mike?

He played the first ever perfect game!

a lot of wins here are much lower than they should be lol but that's just my opinion

His HvV & GC has definitely had an affect on his ranking. No way he’s not Top 5.

Is there anyone too high?

@@OnceUponAnIsland Sandra, parv, yul, Tony in Cagayan, yam yams, Denise, maryanne

Thanks. I like to think of them as a time capsule.

that's just one half of it though. parvati had the fans votes solidly wrapped around her as she was adored by them and tended to them all post merge a lot more so than cirie and amanda. cirie played great within their alliance but we will never know if that would've translated to getting votes. do you feel the same way about yul who benefitted from the first final 3 ever when ozzy would have very likely won a final immunity otherwise?

I reckon it'd go like this: ELIZA VOTES FOR CIRIE OZZY VOTES FOR AMANDA JASON VOTES FOR PARVATI JAMES VOTES FOR AMANDA ALEXIS VOTES FOR PARVATI ERIK VOTES FOR AMANDA NATALIE VOTES FOR PARVATI TIED!!! 3-3-1 Not sure how they'd manage the situation. It's different from Ghost Island as Eliza has a stray vote for Cirie, whereas Laurel had no stray votes If they got the jury to revote and can only vote for Parvati or Amanda - we all know Eliza would vote Parvati If on the other hand, Cirie becomes a jury member - then I think Cirie votes for Parvati PARVATI WINS. EVEN MORE ICONIC VICTORY THEN WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

@@bc5163 I believe there is actually a rule where if there is a tie between two jurors, the third juror becomes a jury member. So in this scenario, you are correct, Cirie would be the deciding vote between Parvati and Amanda

Yam Yam is recency bias, imo. Let's see where he lands when we do the 2024 list.

kind of a jerk is a big time understatemt but i agree he's not the worst winner here by any means, he's just a very wicked individual outside of the game, so honestly i'm not really mad he's last

Yah he’s not last by any means, I kinda liked his villainous ways on that season. It’s obviously because of what happened outside of the show that is making him worse.

@@itzwakk335 Ehhh. He does not belong at the bottom regardless. It's just silly and sad. There have been much bigger jerks on the show then him, honestly I found him sleazily charming. Chris Underwood being above him is just laughable.

@@Tr1Dylan I am a newish Survivor fan still, but I think I have heard something about him killing his neighbor's pet? Then I have seen other people say that either there is a lot more to it, or he didn't do it at all. So I don't know what to think. I may have to do some reading. I am an animal lover. That still doesn't factor into to how he played the game. He just might be a complete a-hole in "real life" who I have no time for. Still not the worst Survivor winner ever though.

I actually would put Brian in my top five best winners (based on game play).

@@martonyomchale342You’re confusing Natalie White for Natalie Anderson.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Vecepia, Earl and Todd must return!

I think him barely beating Clay by 1 vote doesn't help either.

I get it, but last is just insane. Natalie was a similar level goat as Clay was and got 7 votes simply because people hated Russell.

I still wish Vecepia was in WAW instead of Sophie

Make sure to vote next year!

I don’t think he really ranked her game on gameplay. It was moreso her story

@@devondonato4609 ya I get that but I still do think she deserves to be higher.

I agree. I think its because the season around her is so disliked but thats not her fault!

I think her season being disliked is a factor as well.

@@OnceUponAnIsland fair enough

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we need to stop with the revisionist history, yes she was in control alongside coach, she was not the one running that alliance, that alliance doesn't go without coach, cochran doesn't flip without coach, coach was the one with most of the social collections, coach got featured more because he did more

As much as I disliked Coach this season, the other comment is correct. Coach steamrolled them all. He used religion to create a cult of followers. Sure, Sophie saw through it. But she did nothing to stop it, because she knew she had no leverage against Coach. Sadly when Winners at War came out, I was like Sophie who?

​@@jonnymankin thats a real shame you didnt pay attention.

​​@@itzwakk335​I just rewatched the season and youre completely wrong. She is in the driver seat for most of the game. Coach listens to her distinctly at two key tribals and the fact you think its "revisionist" history when Im literally stating what really happens just proves some of you cant distinguish the true story from the edit. Seriously listen to Sophie and Coach on ANY podcast and youll see your blowhard comment is wrong when Coach has made it pretty clear that Sophie pushed ALL the big decisions. Sit down if you dont know what you're talking about.

Its also "revisionist" history to say that the group doesnt go that far with out Coach and rewrite the whole game the way YOU think it would have happened. Cochran flips either way(again, listen to a podcast once or twice). You can't possibly make that statement with any substance.

I liked Ben's win too.

@@OnceUponAnIsland He played his ass off finding advantages and he nullified a unanimous vote

I'm going through the winners chronologically, so eventually, he will be covered. I'm working on Natalie White's story right now.

The like and dislike this time were weighed heavier than in the 2022 rankings to try and give people more power over who they really liked and disliked.

Great idea! The patrons pick what videos I make.

People really don't like him as a character.

@@OnceUponAnIsland yeah but you’d think at least most people would have said his gameplay was solid and he’d at least be out of the bottom 10 or so

He also received the most votes, by far, for people's least favorite winner.

@@OnceUponAnIsland interesting. I guess I just think about it solely based on their survivor game and he played a dominant game.

But then he almost lost to Clay by 1 vote.

Keep in mind, these are not my personal rankings.

@@OnceUponAnIsland choose your next words very carefully... you're on thin ice buddy

@@mizzviolet this gives me the same vibe as someone saying "russia better stop what they're doing in ukraine or I'm gonna have to get involved" and their username is smth like bigboogiebear523

@@nathangaspacio6128 multiply the intensity of that situation by a thousand and you're halfway there to what this is.

I saw that! Very exciting.

Oh, I didn't know that! I love Traitors, so I'm definitely going to watch that.

So, it's fine that Amber did that, but not Natalie in S19?

facts lowkey

Why Bob?

I have 4/5 of these winners in my top 5.

@gungalioheiboddhizstsu8718 no agency strategically and horrific ftc burned Randy's vote and only got it because sugar and Susie burned it harder

@@itzwakk335 >no agency strategically Ok so basically we are discarding Ethan, Jenna, Sandra, Tom, Aras, Parvati, JT, and Natalie because they weren’t strategic or had agency? He was a social game player. He was so socially impressive that Sugar handed him the win, it doesn’t matter how dominant you are unless you can get the votes. >and horrific FTC what was so horrific about it? He literally told the people who voted for him what they wanted to hear and got their votes. The only votes he lost was from Kenny, because he was bitter, Crystal, because she was voting with Kenny, and Matty, who just liked Susie more, he didn’t do anything horrible! Even if you think it was bad tho, he was never losing to anyone at the F6. >burns Randy’s vote Bob told Randy in private that the idol was fake, those reactions from Randy were just cobbled up by the edit to make the moment spectacular, and his FTC was again editing and Randy hamming it up to add suspense. Also now it feels like you are saying he had a bad social game for burning his votes and that’s why he didn’t deserve the win when you said earlier that the fact that he wasn’t a strategic and dominant winner is why he didn’t deserve the votes. The Gabon cast was never gonna vote for a player with agency they all believed they were the toughest on the block.

according to tony they did michelle dirty with the edit, as even though she always voted wrong she was considered somewhat of a threat (due to her social game) and managed to keep the target off of her back all game. In my view she deserved second place, or tied third where tony gets all the votes, but natalie didn't play better.

I strongly disagree with the winners at war sentiment. Michelle was consistently telling people who were on the outs where they were positioned and wanted to pull off moves, but nobody would listen. You can’t fault her when people like Nick and Jeremy outright choose to lose the game rather than working with her to try and win

Michelle was the only one to realize that they had to vote Tony when all the others (Ben, Sarah, Denise...) did nothing.

Great idea! The patrons pick what videos I make.

I look forward to those! I made this about a month ago from the forms you all filled out in June.

They never work in my day to day life 😆

She was rated high on gameplay but not as high as a character.

Make sure to vote when we do the new rankings after Survivor 46!

i can probably think of 5 worse, erika's game is good tho but not special compared to a group where everyone is special in some way

Make sure to fill out the form when we do the 2024 rankings!

@@OnceUponAnIsland i will lol but some of these people's opinions are...interesting

fr@@noahnussbaum8693

It's an interesting stat that from seasons 41-44 Mike Gabler was the only one who got the most votes on the Gold Derby poll for "who should have won out of the final three" (narrowly beating out Cassidy, with Owen getting plenty of votes too). 41 - Xander got 5x as many votes as Erika, 42 - Mike got twice as many votes as Maryanne, 44 (this one, admittedly, shocks me) - Carolyn got more than twice as many votes as Yamil.