ONE LAST RIDE! *Star Trek 6 The Undiscovered Country* Movie Reaction! First Time Watching!

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WillTalksMovies

WillTalksMovies

Ай бұрын

Come join me as I check out the final Star Trek movie with the original crew and see if they can discover the mystery…
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@martinbraun1211
@martinbraun1211 Ай бұрын
A great farewell to the original STAR TREK cast! 🖖🖖🏻🖖🏼🖖🏽🖖🏾🖖🏿
@WillTalksMovies
@WillTalksMovies Ай бұрын
It truly was 🖖
@ztomas1
@ztomas1 Ай бұрын
​@@WillTalksMoviesnow you need to move to the Next Generation
@kenjisparks
@kenjisparks Ай бұрын
Yes. You’ll see Starfleet will do just fine without Kirk.
@anaconda470
@anaconda470 Ай бұрын
18:55 the phrase " don't wait for the translation, answer me now!" Comes from the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962 UN meeting.
@wrorchestra1
@wrorchestra1 Ай бұрын
The Chernobyl disaster and the fall of the Iron Curtain in space. In Hamlet, the Undiscovered Country refers to death. It's part of the famous "To be, or not to be" soliloquy. Gorkon using it to refer to the future is very apt. Starfleet is based in San Francisco, the Federation Council and the Office of the President are in Paris. The late, great Christopher Plummer played Chang. One of Canada's greatest Shakespearean actors (Shatner once understudied him in a play and blew the critics away with his performance). Plummer is very famous for playing Captain Von Trapp in The Sound of Music (not a favoured role for him).
@augiegirl1
@augiegirl1 26 күн бұрын
22:05 Even though I've seen this movie many times, I just noticed that the warden of Rura Penthe calls it a “Gulag”!
@shallowgal462
@shallowgal462 22 күн бұрын
I also remember Plummer in _Dragnet '87._
@jeffreymiller6847
@jeffreymiller6847 20 күн бұрын
Star Trek has always been a mirror of the times and this movie was made during the fall of the soviet union to which Chernobyl had no small part in bringing about Reagan got the credit but it was the expense of cleaning up the worst nuke disaster in history that brought the soviet union down.
@shallowgal462
@shallowgal462 Ай бұрын
The shapeshifter is David Bowie's widow, Iman. The rattail Klingon, General Chang, is best known for _The Sound of Music,_ Christopher Plummer, whose daughter Amanda played a villain on _Star Trek: Picard._ This had the same director as _Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan._
@Parallax-3D
@Parallax-3D 22 күн бұрын
Amanda Plummer is best known for playing Yolanda (Hunny Bunny) in Pulp Fiction.
@shallowgal462
@shallowgal462 22 күн бұрын
@@Parallax-3D I also know her from _Agnes of God_ and _The World According To Garp._
@couch.patati-patata
@couch.patati-patata Ай бұрын
Remember the scene where Sulu is sitting in the Captain's chair and the shockwave of Praxis blowing hits them. Was nominated for the Oscars.
@jeffreymiller6847
@jeffreymiller6847 20 күн бұрын
was it?
@pflaumenaugust876
@pflaumenaugust876 8 күн бұрын
@@jeffreymiller6847 Star Trek VI was nominated in two categories at the oscars: best makeup and best sound effects editing. The film was not a nominee for best visual effects, but the two-dimentional shockwaves of Praxis blowing appart was a first. This kind of special-effect is today known as the praxis-effect
@this.is.a.username
@this.is.a.username Ай бұрын
Gorkon was played by David Warner, the poor UFP ambassador in ST 5.
@MsAlexisPiazza
@MsAlexisPiazza Ай бұрын
And - no spoilers - had an awesome turn in an essential Season 6 TNG episode
@couch.patati-patata
@couch.patati-patata Ай бұрын
Chang, the eyepatch guy is Christopher Plummer. The Captain from The Sound of Music.
@mark-nm4tc
@mark-nm4tc Ай бұрын
Apparently George Lucas liked the expanding ring from Praxis exploding, he used the effect in the updated CGI Star Wars trilogy, adding it to the Death Star explosions. Michael Dorn (Worf in ST TNG) plays the Klingon defence lawyer. The (late) René Auberjonois is unmasked in an extended version as the Klingon assassin at the end. He was Odo in Deep Space 9. Yes, thats Christian Slater in a cameo, he's a big Trek fan.
@evenmoor
@evenmoor Ай бұрын
The character played by René Auberjonois in this film is a Starfleet officer named Colonel West. In the extended version, he appears earlier on to present to the Federation President a potential military operation to rescue Kirk and McCoy from Rura Penthe - which would obviously be a violation of the condition set down by Azetbur for continuing the peace talks. Of course, the crew of the Enterprise went and rescued the dynamic duo anyway, but the Klingons just decided to ignore it because they were able to expose the conspiracy and save the peace talks (and thus ensure the continued existence of the Klingon Empire).
@MsAlexisPiazza
@MsAlexisPiazza Ай бұрын
Christian Slater’s mom was also in charge of casting
@darthroden
@darthroden Ай бұрын
Michael Dorn's character, Colonel Worf, is supposed to be Lt. Worf's grandfather....a nice bit of continuity between TOS and TNG.
@jeffreymiller6847
@jeffreymiller6847 20 күн бұрын
It was Lucas's ILM that created that effect for this movie.
@karlsmith2570
@karlsmith2570 Ай бұрын
16:48 Another Fun Fact for you: Actor Michael Dorn, who plays Kirk and Dr. McCoy's defense attorney, Col. Worf, is also in Star Trek:The Next Generation, and the character he's playing in that series is the grandson and namesake of his character in this movie
@evenmoor
@evenmoor Ай бұрын
On a side note, there is an episode of _Star Trek: Voyager_ that relates to this film; the episode in question (episode 3.02) is titled, appropriately enough, "Flashback," and features parts of Star Trek VI from another perspective. Several actors reprise their roles from Star Trek VI in the episode.
@chrisnielsen9885
@chrisnielsen9885 Ай бұрын
And compared to DS9’s Trials and Tribbilations it was an offensively lazy and cheap knockoff
@mem1701movies
@mem1701movies Ай бұрын
@@chrisnielsen9885plus they got the timing wrong. TUVOK said Kirk was arrested either 2 or 3 days later after the moon explosion. It was 2 months later in the movie.
@evenmoor
@evenmoor Ай бұрын
@@mem1701movies Yep, I remember that one. It was a pretty glaring error. Then again, given the situation in that episode, maybe Tuvok's memory slipped... 😬 Possibly more egregious is a certain character's appearance in the curtain call at the end of Star Trek VI if what happened in the Voyager episode actually happened the way we see!
@amymjennings
@amymjennings Ай бұрын
Thanks for blabbing the spoilers about Kim cattrall's character who played Spocks young prodigy Valaris. 🎉😢
@ztomas1
@ztomas1 Ай бұрын
At 11:41 - I like that you figured out that there was a "hidden ship" right away 😂
@WillTalksMovies
@WillTalksMovies Ай бұрын
I had to trust scotty 🫡
@karlsmith2570
@karlsmith2570 Ай бұрын
6:55 "He's Got A Good Beard" Interesting Fact about the design of Gorkon's appearance: When the production staff were creating the character of Chancellor Gorkon, they basically had him as a Klingon emulation of Abraham Lincoln, thus the reason why he's got a beard but no mustache that connects to his beard
@Jonatelli1
@Jonatelli1 Ай бұрын
one of my favourite movies and probably one of the best Star Trek Movies
@MichaelJohnson-vi6eh
@MichaelJohnson-vi6eh Ай бұрын
Originally Valeris was supposed to be Saavik. She actuallly witnessed Kirks son being killed by Klingons. The actress was not available I think.
@YolandaAnneBrown95726
@YolandaAnneBrown95726 Ай бұрын
That's what I heard
@DangerousDac
@DangerousDac Ай бұрын
I think they decided Saavik was too liked as a character and making her into a conspirator would ruin the character.
@MsAlexisPiazza
@MsAlexisPiazza Ай бұрын
I’d heard it as they didn’t want to use Robin Curtis, Kirstie Alley was too expensive, and they didn’t want to have a third actress play the role so Kim Cattral played a new character
@MsAlexisPiazza
@MsAlexisPiazza Ай бұрын
The movie is already solid but I think having Saavik betray them would have added a lot of emotional depth
@FrankJReynolds
@FrankJReynolds Ай бұрын
@@MsAlexisPiazza And ironically, Meyer originally wanted Cattrall to play Saavik in WRATH OF KHAN
@user-bd9qx7qf2f
@user-bd9qx7qf2f Ай бұрын
The President with the long white hair and moustache was played by Kurtwood Smith who went on to play Red Forman on That 70s Show.
@cyrilmauras4247
@cyrilmauras4247 Ай бұрын
He had a major part in the Star Trek Voyager episode, "The Year of Hell".
@anthonyleecollins9319
@anthonyleecollins9319 26 күн бұрын
I like how Spock mentions "an ancestor of mine" and then quotes Sherlock Holmes. 🙂
@Bnio
@Bnio 26 күн бұрын
I like the fan theory that Spock's mother is related to Arthur Conan Doyle. And that Spock uses a human idea to bolster his Vulcan logic.
@karlsmith2570
@karlsmith2570 Ай бұрын
0:16 Fun Fact for you: David Warner, the actor who played Chancellor Gorkon in this movie, was in the previous movie as St. John Talbot, the Federation representative on Nimbus III
@tombo1984
@tombo1984 Ай бұрын
Remember the other week I suggested you watched The Battle of Britain. The lead actor in it is Christopher Plummer. He plays Chang in this movie.
@adanianking
@adanianking Ай бұрын
Great reaction, great movie. Those sign offs at the end… Nice deductions during your watch.
@WillTalksMovies
@WillTalksMovies Ай бұрын
Thank you I’m something of a detective myself🕵️🤣
@susanfox6666
@susanfox6666 5 күн бұрын
BTW, the shape shifter was the model Iman, who was married to David Bowie. And, I hope you go right to the 2008 or 2009 version of the original Star Trek instead of the Next Generation. The newer versions of the original gives you the main characters, but with a different history. Very interesting, and a remarkable set of actors who really capture the essence of the originals. Thank you for this great reaction!
@couch.patati-patata
@couch.patati-patata Ай бұрын
Klingons like To be or not to be. Hamlet appeals to them. In one book there's a performance at a Klingon base, they don't care for acrobatics or animals. But when one starts doing Hamlet's soliloquy, they sit in and applaud.
@BPond7
@BPond7 18 күн бұрын
I was 12, when I saw this in the theater. December 1991, baby! I was too young to piece everything together, so my young mind was genuinely surprised at how things unfolded. Though they did give away the secret of the cloaking and firing Bird of Prey in the trailer, with just the briefest of glimpses. That one, I did figure out beforehand. 🖖😀
@jonbolton3376
@jonbolton3376 Ай бұрын
Great reaction! This isn't just my favourite Star Trek film, it's one of my favourite 10 movies.
@WillTalksMovies
@WillTalksMovies Ай бұрын
Honestly I feel the same about seeing some of these movies
@YolandaAnneBrown95726
@YolandaAnneBrown95726 Ай бұрын
The Special Edition goes even further with the late René Auberjonois as West, who is the Klingon assassin. Worf says that it's not Klingon blood since it was red (one of the reasons for showing so much Klingon). blood
@TheMarionetteKitty
@TheMarionetteKitty Ай бұрын
All of the Shakespeare lines I can quote from memory are from Star Trek.
@Parallax-3D
@Parallax-3D 22 күн бұрын
We had to learn Macbeth’s soliloquy for English Lit in my senior year of high school, and 37 years later I can still quote it verbatim.
@Andy-ju8bb
@Andy-ju8bb Ай бұрын
Chang was played by Christopher Plummer. A far cry from his role as Captain von Trapp in the Sound of Music.
@quoniam426
@quoniam426 Ай бұрын
Starfleet HQ is in Frisco, Federation Presidency is in Paris. Originally V'Leris should have been Saavik but the plot leaked and fans were outraged to see a beloved character betray the crew like that. So they changed the character to a new one. However, it mekes the story more obvious because we wouldn't have suspected Saavik in the first place had the scipt not leaked.
@WillTalksMovies
@WillTalksMovies Ай бұрын
That is very true
@gordieparenteau6555
@gordieparenteau6555 Ай бұрын
35:02 This line here, Leonard Nimoy described as "speaking in a double voice". He was speaking as Spock to Kirk, but also as himself to William Shatner.
@HeffeJeffe78
@HeffeJeffe78 3 күн бұрын
The US/USSR narrative in the story was undeniable. I was 13 when I saw this in the theater, and then witnessed the Soviet Union collapse a few days later. Talk about timing!
@JAYWALKER1000
@JAYWALKER1000 Ай бұрын
Sulu's communications office is Janice Rand - who played that character in the first season of TOS before she "transferred to another ship" in the middle of the season. She's also the transporter chief in TMP, and has cameos in The Search for Spock and The Voyage Home - even if you know to look for her, blink and you don't see her - if she had lines the scenes were cut . ALPHABET SOUP (common abbreviations fans use) TOS = The Original Series TAS = The Animated Seties TNG = The Next Generation TMP = The Motion Picture (ST1) TWOK = The Wrath of Khan (ST2) TSFS = The Search for Spock (ST3) TVH = The Voyage Home (ST4) TFF = The Final Frontier (ST5) TUC = The Undiscovered Country (ST6) Sometimes ST: for Star Trek (plus a number if needed) is placed in front of the series/movie designation - this film is ST6: TUC or a Roman numeral might be used instead of the Arabic numeral
@inarar5334
@inarar5334 Ай бұрын
The thing with people saying another culture is responsible for something (old Vulcan saying, only Nixon can go to China, Shakespeare in the original Klingon) is a fave of the director, Nicholas Meyer. Happens in Wrath of Khan, too. Except for Chekov saying Cinderella is a Russian epic. That was always a trait of Chekov, always saying everything originated in Russia. It just sorta went away in the movies some.
@joonaa2751
@joonaa2751 Ай бұрын
Before you get to the next movie, you should know that the one after it (FIRST CONTACT) is a sequel to a couple of episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation TV show. The episodes Q WHO?, THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS parts I & II, and FAMILY, specifically. The same way Wrath of Khan follows up on Space Seed. However, I actually recommend you watch them even before the next movie (Generations), just to get (some) handle on the characters.
@WillTalksMovies
@WillTalksMovies Ай бұрын
I will either be watching all of TOS or TNG or both
@Parallax-3D
@Parallax-3D 22 күн бұрын
Also the TOS episode “Metamorphosis.”
@aaronharvey6992
@aaronharvey6992 24 күн бұрын
I love your commentary. It is so pure and fun. It is nice see someone actually enjoy the movies.
@WillTalksMovies
@WillTalksMovies 24 күн бұрын
Well thank you so much, i genuinely fell so much in love with the franchise :)
@danielceo4694
@danielceo4694 Ай бұрын
Another fun reaction! All I can say is that even when I first saw this movie in '91, I felt then as I do now--this was the perfect ending which the original series didn't have (the show was abruptly cancelled in 1969). Every element was well-balanced, especially the action, the mystery and the humor. The actor who played General Chang was Christopher Plummer, who has starred in dozens of great movies (his daughter, Amanda Plummer, just recently played a bad guy in the final season of Star Trek: Picard). In fact, Plummer and Shatner had worked together before, performing Shakespearean plays early in their respective careers, in Toronto! David Warner, the actor who played Chancellor Gorkon, had a cameo in Star Trek 5 as St. John Talbot, the Federation representative taken hostage by Sybok. This movie is such tremendous fun and I'm glad you had fun watching it, too!
@evenmoor
@evenmoor Ай бұрын
Credit should be given for the amazing score for this film. It is absolutely epic.
@WillTalksMovies
@WillTalksMovies Ай бұрын
One of my favourite things about Star Trek
@damienkakoschke3099
@damienkakoschke3099 Ай бұрын
FYI, star trek's tendency of reflecting the real world issues. This film came out around the time f the fall of the berlin wall & several critical industrial accidents, reelected in the destruction of praxis & the ceasing of hostilities between star fleet * the kilngons.
@shallowgal462
@shallowgal462 Ай бұрын
When did you realize the Klingon chancellor was the same actor who played the Terran ambassador in _Star Trek V: The Final Frontier?_ Valeris was supposed to be Saavik, but Kirstie Alley was too expensive, they didn't want Robin Curtis back, and they didn't want to recast the part *yet again,* _plus_ Saavik had passed into "beloved character" status, so making her a traitor would have driven the fans to madness, so they rewrote Spock's old protégée Saavik into his new protégée, Lt. Valeris. Unlike Saavik, who was half-Romulan and had not been raised on Hellguard according to Vulcan culture and customs, Valeris was a full-blooded Vulcan raised on Vulcan.
@karlsmith2570
@karlsmith2570 Ай бұрын
37:56 "Why Is It Coming Back At Us?" Spock and Dr. McCoy modified this photon torpedo with sensors that would normally be used to catalog gaseous anomalies, thus making it able to home in on the vapor trail that was being left behind by the Bird-Of-Prey
@anthonygoodwin1701
@anthonygoodwin1701 Ай бұрын
There is a Director's Cut of Star Trek VI, which is only available on Digital and 4K Blu-Ray, I highly recommend you watch that version as well, too! Includes a few new scenes added to the movie! It's only logical. 😃🖖
@Bnio
@Bnio 26 күн бұрын
15:05 Starfleet HQ is in San Francisco. The Federation's HQ (or executive/office of the Federation president; something like that) is in Paris.
@demonofelru3214
@demonofelru3214 Ай бұрын
A worthy final sendoff for the original crew! Still a great movie today just as good as Wrath of Khan I feel. Can't help but get ssad at the very end as the Excelsior and Enterprise part ways and we say goodbye.
@this.is.a.username
@this.is.a.username Ай бұрын
GODSDAMMIT ALL... we deserved a Sulu series!
@WillTalksMovies
@WillTalksMovies Ай бұрын
Definitely, would have be great!
@chadcollucci5248
@chadcollucci5248 Ай бұрын
Starfleet headquarters and Academy are in San Francisco. The office of the Federation President is located in Paris.
@countgeekula9143
@countgeekula9143 Ай бұрын
So good. Saw this twice on opening day back in early '92 and then several more times before it left theatres. Star Trek does a detective mystery political thriller. I do love the late great Christopher Plummer as Chang in this quoting Shakespeare every chance he gets. Plummer and Shatner were old friends and contemporaries coming up through Canadian theatre with Plummer becoming a big movie star in the early 60's thanks to The Sound of Music. Also director Nicholas Meyer (who also made Trek 2) is a huge Sherlock Holmes fan and a novelist which includes having written a successful Holmes novel (The Seven Percent Solution) and I love how he has Spock quote Holmes here with Spock referring to Holmes as an ancestor of his. 😂 A great swan song for the full crew together in one last adventure together.
@IggyStardust1967
@IggyStardust1967 Ай бұрын
I remember watching this in theaters. Of course, I had already seen all episodes of TOS.... so knew going in that "peace was coming" at some point. The episode featuring the Organians foretold the events of this movie, but without any actual details. Only that "One day, the Federation and the Klingons will be fast friends". This movie tells of how that peace/friendship came to be. There was a loose kind of peace treaty enforced by the Organians... but that only set up the Federation/Klingon "Neutral Zone" to keep them apart. Much like the one between the Federation and the Romulans. But it was foretold that at some point, a REAL truce between the Federation and Klingon Empire would see them "actively work together". The Next Generation (MINOR spoiler here) goes into some of the details of that working relationship. That's all I'll say on it, because I want you to enjoy the journey of discovering that series. Also, I love that this movie ended with the autographs of the cast members. Such a fitting end to "The Original Cast", after 3 seasons of a television series literally no one believed in at the time, and 5 previous movies that basically were demanded by the loyal fanbase.
@fleetadmiralj
@fleetadmiralj Ай бұрын
Some thoughts: 1) Yep. Starfleet Headquarters (and the Federation Council) are in San Francisco but the President of the Federation is based in Paris. 2) I love the subtle, but clear difference in power between the Enterprise and the more advanced Excelsior. Even with shields up, torpedoes leave scorching on the Enterprise hull. But when the torpedo hits Excelsior, its shields just gobble the whole thing up. Not that it's totally important, but it does help explain why the Excelsior class became the standard-bearer for the Federation for the next 75 years. I also like how you spotted all the "problems" with Valeris from the start (there are some added scenes in this version of the movie that makes it a bit more obvious but you were already onto her even without those).
@mikejankowski6321
@mikejankowski6321 Ай бұрын
Great reaction to my favorite Star Trek film! Impressive sleuthing on your part from early on.
@luismorgan2422
@luismorgan2422 Ай бұрын
Saw this in the cinema when it was released. Great movie, loved it and a great send off. Next, sit back relax and enjoy the next generation of movies 👍🏻 My vote: If you’ve never seen it maybe we can suggest a handful of TNG episodes you need to watch before starting the next movie which brings in those cast. Definitely start with Encounter at Farpoint (S1 Ep1). You’ll certainly need some TNG episodes under your belt for First Contact especially. Also, you may also want to expand and be familiar with DS9 and Voyager so that you pick up on references that are in the movies as well. Newer Trek you can watch after the TNG movies.
@jeffreymiller6847
@jeffreymiller6847 20 күн бұрын
You may not have picked it up, but Kirk's last order Second Star to the Right and Straight on Till Morning are the directions Peter Pan uses to find Never Never Land.
@WillTalksMovies
@WillTalksMovies 20 күн бұрын
Oh no way, that’s such a cool spot
@jeffreymiller6847
@jeffreymiller6847 20 күн бұрын
@@WillTalksMovies and if you think about it there's a secondary meaning that's where Peter Pan and the lost boys go because you never have to grow up in Never Land.
@JAYWALKER1000
@JAYWALKER1000 Ай бұрын
You have no reason to trust her except that she's a Vulcan. The actress (Kim Cattrall) also played Samantha Jones in Sex and the City - a "try-sexual"(she'll try anything once) maybe you're getting that vibe from her.
@tarascholfield5887
@tarascholfield5887 Ай бұрын
Christopher plumber who played General Chang, also played the famous lawyer in the old film inherent the wind film about the scopes monkey trial. And he got to play the prosecutor for the klingon govt and did it really well. (I was fortunate to get to see him do inherent the wind on stage and was able to sit in the jury box on stage on broadway, tix warned u that the view would be different etc) plumber was a great actor, go look up other films he was in. Also for st 6, meyer didnt want kirstie alley but the other lady who played saavik robin curtis who wasnt available and thus they got kim catrell (famous for being in big trouble in little china as gracie law and sex and thr city as miranda jones) Ive always loved st6 and the quote from Shakespeare the film is named after is in hamlets soliloquy of the to be or not to be, 2nd verse of it. Thr undiscovered country hamlet is thinking of is death, the unknown of it, he was contemplating suicide in that scene etc.
@karlsmith2570
@karlsmith2570 Ай бұрын
10:20 The reason why Kirk was making that notice to the galley was because Romulan Ale is ab illegal substance in Federation space
@BondFreek
@BondFreek Ай бұрын
When I first watched this movie I did not suspect Volaris at all. Her behavior was normal kryptek for a Vulcan. If you had watched the original series you would know that. Originally they were going to bring back Savic from Star Trek 2 and 3. They felt that I'm familiar character being a traitor would have really surprised people. But then they realized that Savic was too much of a beloved character. They couldn't do that to the fans. So they created Volaris and wrote her character as close to Savic's as they could. That's why most fans did not see coming even with all the clues.
@ballyastrocade5672
@ballyastrocade5672 22 күн бұрын
27:30 "Was it a Russian epic?" -- That's a running gag with Chekov from the original series; *everything* was "inwented in Russia." 🙂 29:40 -- This was actually a bit of an idiot-ball moment for the characters. 😞 An earlier draft of the script had them resorting to the printed books from Uhura's personal library (she's a communications specialist) because *someone* (no prizes for guessing who) had deliberately wiped the Klingon language from the Universal Translator's databanks. Which would've been a much better explanation; I don't know why they changed it.
@vincentpuccio3689
@vincentpuccio3689 Ай бұрын
General Chang? It’s Christopher Plummer one of the great actors of the 20th century.
@MartinCox-ny2rv
@MartinCox-ny2rv Ай бұрын
You got it,mate! Yes valeris....but I think there is more to this than they led on. This movie is like 6 years after ST 5. My first clue when Kirk's log is at the trial and then seeing the extra footage added in
@herbertkeithmiller
@herbertkeithmiller Ай бұрын
39:23 who here would have been up for a new series with Sulu commanding The Excelsior? WHY DIDN'T THIS HAPPEN?
@WillTalksMovies
@WillTalksMovies Ай бұрын
Agree, kinda seems set up for that right?
@alasdairgardiner2313
@alasdairgardiner2313 Ай бұрын
We got Voyager instead. Though spoilers for the episode Flashback, which revisits the events of this film.
@JAYWALKER1000
@JAYWALKER1000 Ай бұрын
Chancelloer Gorkon's appearance is based on Abraham Lincoln
@BrianSherman-TheTVGod
@BrianSherman-TheTVGod Ай бұрын
I flip flop between this and Khan being the best Trek films (hell, the best FILMS of all time.) But I have to say I was super impressed by how much you guessed. I still remember going to see this twice opening weekend!
@BondFreek
@BondFreek Ай бұрын
Regarding Volaris being the conspirator. If you had grown up watching Star Trek you would have never suspected a Starfleet officer because it goes against their codes. It doesn't matter that she is half romulan.
@TimSmith-uc4pk
@TimSmith-uc4pk Ай бұрын
You should check out Star Trek: Enterprise. Captain Jonathan Archer was the first captain of the Enterprise NX~01
@shift.2238
@shift.2238 Ай бұрын
Dude, everybody knows that Paris has the office of the president of the federation. In In San Francisco you will only find the starfleet HQ.
@herbertkeithmiller
@herbertkeithmiller Ай бұрын
38:14 in all of Star Trek until now Scotty has never got to be the guy that saves the day. The most he's ever done is fight, fight well mind you, but never the hero.
@mikejankowski6321
@mikejankowski6321 Ай бұрын
His engineering prowess has always facilitated the heroics.
@TimSmith-uc4pk
@TimSmith-uc4pk Ай бұрын
On the tv series Star Trek: Enterprise Captain Jonathan Archer spent time on Rura Penthe
@couch.patati-patata
@couch.patati-patata Ай бұрын
Valeris is Samantha Jones in Sex and the City.
@Icypenguigo
@Icypenguigo Ай бұрын
You had a lot of weirdly good guesses about what was going on this movie! Nice job with that! 😉 You should definitely keep going with your Star Trek adventure! The Next Generation is next, they made a bunch of movies too, but you should watch at least some of the TV show first just so you can get familiar with the new characters and plotlines, which will be relevant to those movies! I always enjoy seeing new people experience Star Trek for the first time! Great videos so far, and I hope you continue the journey! 😁
@WillTalksMovies
@WillTalksMovies Ай бұрын
Thank you 🫡 and definitely continue
@curtrogers1715
@curtrogers1715 Ай бұрын
That was wonderful. You did a great job you acted just like I did when I first saw in theaters. You’re like one of us. I’m glad you enjoyed it. Don’t worry Star Trek still is good. The next generation is it takes to get used to, but it’s really good. I wish you’d go back and see the original series for real self at least because it is really good to see why the they earned their six movies by the way, if you like Captain Kirk and the old generation will be in one more movie for a little bit they’ll be the first next generation movie called generations, but that’s not after the generation next generations over with great scenes with Captain Picard except for the very end, but you’ll find out Stuff with you I’ve seen this movie several times one of my favorites of all time but seeing it with you I really enjoyed it more than I ever had before. It’s like seeing it again for the first time thank you so much for the experience. I think we’re friends, whatever you in the future I’ll be here to see it. Thanks for the fun until next time.
@WillTalksMovies
@WillTalksMovies Ай бұрын
Well my plan is to either do all TOS or TNG next or maybe both
@jozdundar
@jozdundar Ай бұрын
The Next Generation indeed. You should have caught some episodes of TNG before watching this one, since that series started 5 years before this film was released. This film serves as a connection between the two generations. The Klingon defense council Col. Word is the great grandfather of a main character in the next generation for instance. Also connecting the two is Kithomer, next to Klingon, Romulan and Federation space. The end of the film leads right into TNG with the phrase... "To boldly go where no man... Where no one has gone before." Because the tag line was changed to "no one" for the next generation. So my vote would be to continue on to TNG. From the original Enterprise to the NCC-1701-A of the last two films to the NCC-1701-D of TNG 👍🏻
@JAYWALKER1000
@JAYWALKER1000 Ай бұрын
Go back to TWOK "The Klingon's don't take prisoners." but apparently they do.
@JAYWALKER1000
@JAYWALKER1000 Ай бұрын
Valeris was supposed to be Saavik - but it came down to - Did they want to tarnish Saavik's reputation with the events of this move and recast the role a third time or make a different character?. I get why they wouldn't want to bring back Kirstie Alley having had Robin Curtis in the role in two more recent films - not sure if Robin was unavailable or read the script and decided not to do it because of the character arc.
@shadowchateau
@shadowchateau Ай бұрын
I love this guy.😂
@markharris1125
@markharris1125 Ай бұрын
I'm willing to nominate 12 episodes from the original series and 12 from TNG. I've just picked out the ones I really enjoy, and have left out some from TNG that need more background knowledge. (Like Redemption.) Original series: 1. The Menagerie Pt 1 & Pt 2 2. The Galileo Seven 3. Arena 4. Tomorrow Is Yesterday 5. The Devil In the Dark 6. Errand of Mercy 7. The City On the Edge Of Forever 8. Amok Time 9. Mirror Mirror 10. The Doomsday Machine 11. Journey To Babel 12. The Enterprise Incident With TNG, I have cheated massively on Number 7. I love Season 5, there are so many 'puzzle box' episodes, neat little sci-fi stories that I want to include them all. I chose possibly the best as Number 8, Number 7 is take your pick. 1. Encounter At Farpoint Pt 1 & Pt 2 2. Elementary Dear Data 3. Q Who 4. Who Watches the Watchers 5. The Best of Both Worlds Pt 1 & Pt 2 6. Darmok 7. Disaster OR The Game OR A Matter Of Time OR Conundrum OR Power Play 8. Cause and Effect 9. Time’s Arrow Pt 1 & Pt 2 10. Relics 11. Chain Of Command Pt 1 & Pt 2 12. All Good Things . . . Pt 1 & Pt 2 Arguments will now commence as I've missed out some classics. I'm really enjoying your reactions to my favourite sci-fi universe, and long may they continue.
@WillTalksMovies
@WillTalksMovies Ай бұрын
Appreciate this list but I’m going to try and watch as many episodes as possible of both :)
@markharris1125
@markharris1125 Ай бұрын
@@WillTalksMovies Okay, that's great. Lots of new people are going back to the start and it's great fun for us oldies. Yes, I was there when Star Trek first appeared on the BBC. There had been a comic strip before that, in the TV21 magazine (which was largely about the Gerry Anderson properties like Thunderbirds). I didn't think I was going to like Star Trek because it had a weird-looking spaceship and everyone kept calling each other 'Mister'. 8-year old me didn't know about the Navy. Of course, I was hooked from the off. I'm looking forward to your own journey!
@JoePlett
@JoePlett Ай бұрын
The first two seasons of Next Generation are (imho) very much like The Motion Picture - dry, kind of wooden, trying to find its own voice. Many of the early eps are repurposed scripts (or at least plots) from earlier Trek versions. Generations is a transitional film, passing the torch from TOS to TNG. I guess it was necessary to move forward. Its sequel First Contact is when the Next Gen crew really come into their own. Much like Wrath of Kahn, the second film in the franchise is where they finally live up to their potential (again, imo). Perhaps not coincidentally, there are strong 19th century literary ties to both films. Neither would exist - in their current form - withoug Herman Melville. You have a lot of fun watching and great storytelling to look forward to. As for STNG S1, I always found The Arsenal of Freedom a classic Trek episode - even if it feels like an unsed TOS script. It really is vintage Trek - kind of projecting contemporary social issues into the 24th century, but making its message unsubtle and unavoidable. Have fun, however you decide to proceed. There's lots to like ahead. 🙂
@NCC-72545A
@NCC-72545A Ай бұрын
Kirk. Was still wearing his ankle shackles and chain
@kevinfranks3169
@kevinfranks3169 Ай бұрын
Really enjoying your star trek journey! If you are able, I'd recommend watching the top episodes from each season of the original series and then moving to the next generation! 🖖👍
@WillTalksMovies
@WillTalksMovies Ай бұрын
Thank you so much, out tomorrow will be my reaction to the first episode of the Original series :)
@MrDeathpilot
@MrDeathpilot Ай бұрын
These are not my personal picks. This list includes all episodes that give you the background you'll need before you get into the STNG movies, and all episodes that IMDb has rated a 7 or higher on their 1-10 scale. This also includes episodes which are sequels to other listed episodes regardless of rating. I've also included all of MAMoreno's additional picks as long as they rated a 7 or more. (Honestly, a list of which ones NOT to watch would have been much shorter, 54 total.) I've also included STNG's worst-rated episode (that isn't a clip show), simply because it would be fun to see you react to it. I HOPE NO ONE SPOILS WHICH EPISODE THAT IS! This should give you the "full experience" without having to waste time on stinkers... ...but keep in mind: Star Trek is like sex. Even when it's bad, it's still worth watching. 😁 My updated recommendations (in order): SEASON 1 (10 omitted) Encounter at Farpoint (pilot) The Naked Now Where No One Has Gone Before The Battle Hide and Q Haven The Big Goodbye Datalore 11001001 Coming of Age Heart of Glory The Arsenal of Freedom Symbiosis Skin of Evil Conspiracy The Neutral Zone SEASON 2 (11 omitted) Where Silence Has Lease Elementary, Dear Data The Schizoid Man A Matter of Honor The Measure of a Man Contagion Time Squared Q Who Samaritan Snare The Emissary Peak Performance SEASON 3 (8 omitted) The Ensigns of Command The Survivors Who Watches the Watchers? The Bonding Booby Trap The Enemy The Defector The Hunted Deja Q Yesterday's Enterprise The Offspring Sins of the Father Allegiance Captain's Holiday Tin Man Hollow Pursuits Sarek The Best of Both Worlds 1 SEASON 4 (7 omitted) The Best of Both Worlds 2 Family Brothers Remember Me Reunion Future Imperfect Data's Day The Wounded Devil's Due Clues First Contact Galaxy's Child Night Terrors The Nth Degree Qpid Drumhead Half a Life In Theory Redemption 1 SEASON 5 (6 omitted) Redemption 2 Darmok Ensign Ro Silicon Avatar Disaster The Game Unification 1 Unification 2 A Matter of Time New Ground Conundrum Power Play Ethics Cause and Effect The First Duty The Perfect Mate I, Borg The Next Phase The Inner Light Time's Arrow 1 SEASON 6 (2 omitted) Time's Arrow 2 Realm of Fear Relics Schisms True Q Rascals A Fistful of Datas The Quality of Life Chain of Command 1 Chain of Command 2 Ship in a Bottle Face of the Enemy Tapestry Birthright 1 Birthright 2 Starship Mine Lessons The Chase Frame of Mind Suspicions Rightful Heir Second Chances Timescape Descent 1 SEASON 7 (10 omitted) Descent 2 Gambit 1 Gambit 2 Phantasms Attached Inheritance Parallels The Pegasus Homeward Sub Rosa Lower Decks Thine Own Self Genesis Preemptive Strike All Good Things 1 & 2
@rkpres17
@rkpres17 Ай бұрын
If you're going to watch all the episodes or as many as possible, start with TOS.
@JAYWALKER1000
@JAYWALKER1000 Ай бұрын
Real time line - Star Trek: The Next Generation premiered in 1987 - before The Final Frontier or this film Events iinvolving Klingons in TNG (and to some extent The Original Series) are at odds (in particular) with events in this film - for instance Klingons don't bleed Pepto-Bismoll anywhere but here* - If you watch TOS you won't recognize the Klingons (because of old TV budget vs later movie budget0 and you have to use head canon figure out (or just ignore) if The United Federation of Planets is at war with or have a peace treaty with them* because it's never made clear (in other words, the the treaty in TOS, the treaty here, the treaty established a year before this movie in 3rd season TBG - none of them are the same treaty. Gene Roddenberry - creator of Star Trek (the franchise but in particular of TOS, TAS & TNG) did not consider this movie or The FInal Frontier canon. * Looks like it was mostly color corrected in a remaster - in the theater the blood read pepto-pink.
@Smileybeeblevrox
@Smileybeeblevrox Ай бұрын
Some of the original cast is in the next film, Star Trek Generations
@sergioaccioly5219
@sergioaccioly5219 Ай бұрын
Just so you know, Valeris was a replacement for Saavik. Gene Roddenberry insisted that Saavik's legacy should be unblemished, which is a shame. The mistery, and the revelation gut punch, would be much better if Robin Curtis were allowed to reprise her role.
@demonofelru3214
@demonofelru3214 Ай бұрын
While true Gene didn't have the final say. They wanted Kirsty Alley back but she wasn't available and they didn't like the way Robin Curtis portrayed Saavik. Kim Cattrall didn't want to be the third actor to play Saavik so they allowed her to develop her own Vulcan character.
@sergioaccioly5219
@sergioaccioly5219 Ай бұрын
@@demonofelru3214 I wasn't aware of this part of the story. Thank you.
@demonofelru3214
@demonofelru3214 Ай бұрын
@@sergioaccioly5219 No problem! In fact Nicholas Meyer the direction and Gene got into a very heated argument over it for which Meyer regrets today.
@gregadams558
@gregadams558 19 күн бұрын
Warf: Attorney at Law.
@Paul_1971
@Paul_1971 Ай бұрын
Please do Star Trek: Generations next
@JAYWALKER1000
@JAYWALKER1000 Ай бұрын
Uhura is a linguist - no way she needs a PHYSICAL English to Klingon Dictionary - it should at least have been on the computer or a PADD.
@gordieparenteau6555
@gordieparenteau6555 Ай бұрын
My headcanon is that this was a rarely spoken Klingon dialect, which the computer didn't recognize and Uhura wasn't fluent in.
@lenny536
@lenny536 Ай бұрын
Star Trek the next generation reaction next
@mjducharme
@mjducharme Ай бұрын
Watch at least some original series episodes before watching next generation. They aren't all excellent but there's some fantastic episodes that you wouldn't want to miss.
@WillTalksMovies
@WillTalksMovies Ай бұрын
Think I definitely will
@TimSmith-uc4pk
@TimSmith-uc4pk Ай бұрын
The seventh movie Star Trek Generations wasn’t that great. IMO movies 1,5,&7 weren’t that good.
@BondFreek
@BondFreek Ай бұрын
You keep predicting scenes in your commentary. I think you saw this movie when you were a kid and forgot you saw it. Your subconscious is reminding you of what you're going to see but your contacts is all wrong because of a child's point of view.
@sarcasticstartrek7719
@sarcasticstartrek7719 Ай бұрын
For the guy who has apparently never seen this, you somehow managed to get every single plot point - you're such a bad actor lol.
@robertleonard4995
@robertleonard4995 19 күн бұрын
Generations is a horrible movie, as they kill off Kirk like a red shirt, instead of giving him a heroic death... They also could have brought him back by using shatners book, the return...
@MAMoreno
@MAMoreno Ай бұрын
This one doesn't quite land for me. Even the title is slightly off, since Hamlet's "undiscovered country" is the afterlife, not the future in general. (Really, wouldn't this have been a better title for Star Trek III? It would have worked as a play on words since the Genesis planet was also an "undiscovered country" in a way. Apparently, director Nick Meyer wanted this title for the second movie, but it doesn't really fit there, either.) I can accept that Kirk hates the Klingons. They had proven themselves to be bloodthirsty and cruel even before they killed David. But I can't accept that the same man who made the right decision in episodes such as "Errand of Mercy" (the Klingons' first appearance) and "Day of the Dove" (a fairly similar Klingon episode from the third season) would callously say, "Let them die!" It's too far. I get that he needs an arc, but his character doesn't have to be assassinated in the process. Lots of other minor stuff bug me. Valeris is obviously supposed to be Saavik, and even though the decision to give that character a heel turn would be jarring after her Pon Farr bond with Spock in Star Trek III, it would strengthen this film's ties to Star Trek II. Introducing a new character with essentially the same backstory doesn't really work any better. Not that Spock's psychic assault on her would be okay either way: that scene is gross. And it might feel really nitpicky to complain about Uhura, the communications officer, being so incompetent in speaking Klingon, but it does feel like the filmmakers threw away a chance to make her appear as a valuable member of the team. (Later depictions of Uhura would address this matter and portray her as highly competent in communications. Who knows? Maybe we should blame this lapse in skill on a certain incident that occurred to her in the TV show...)
@this.is.a.username
@this.is.a.username Ай бұрын
so edgie and controversial, such a bad boy *eyeroll* You can't accept the man who was compassionate would 180 after his son is murdered? Really? Well even Shatner partly agrees with you, but I'm pretty sure there's a few people who've lost children to violence that wouldn't.
@MAMoreno
@MAMoreno Ай бұрын
@@this.is.a.username My position is hardly edgy or controversial. It's been a common position held by a minority of fans since 1991, and we don't take this stance just to be contrary to the "Even-Numbered Rule" crowd. Roddenberry also took issue with this heel turn for Kirk. (And yes, Gene was sometimes more of a hindrance than a help when it came to realistic characterization, but in this case, he was spot-on.)
@augiegirl1
@augiegirl1 26 күн бұрын
@@MAMoreno When they filmed that scene, Shatner refused to say that line unless it was followed by him reacting with regret at having said it. Unfortunately, the director cut that reaction in post-production.
@marke8323
@marke8323 Ай бұрын
I always considered this movie as the weakest of the movie series.
@jeffreyweitzman6463
@jeffreyweitzman6463 27 күн бұрын
ST 6 really did redeem the franchise - Paramount did it right in every single way in that movie correcting how they had done their own product such a disservice with ST 5. I really seeing 6 at the cinema like yesterday even though was obviously many years ago now and at least for that moment in time back then, it truly felt like the future of Star Trek as in the ingredients of what Star Trek great, was assured again. Alas it didn't last beyond First Contact but, as said ST 6 was universally adored.
@karlsmith2570
@karlsmith2570 Ай бұрын
26:59 "How Would It Have Gotten Onto The Uniforms?" Well, blood droplets got into the transporter beam when these assassins beamed back to the Enterprise. It would've gotten on the Uniforms then
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