Every Mozart’s, Haydn’s and Beethoven’s video is a master class of music composition.

That Op. 64 slow movement is one of the most touching and lovely things Haydn ever wrote.

That last one given is so sublime

I once went to a composition masterclass where the person leading the workshop warned against introducing new one-time melodies or counter melodies in the coda. In his defence, the student composers had not mastered the craft nearly as well as Mozart, Haydn, and Beethoven. I think the teacher was really concerned about making sure the material fits in with the rest of the composition, which these composers do skillfully here.

I know this isn't your first foray into Mozart's string quartets, but I certainly wouldn't mind more... his chamber music really is amongst his best work and that is saying a lot.

For me the first violin line in Op. 77 No. 2 3rd mvt, when the second violin plays the theme, is a true highlight

Maybe I missed something, but I feel like you should do a video covering Beethoven’s late piano sonatas. There is endless musical depth in all these pieces.

I love how I would have never asked for this, and yet it's exactly what I needed. You are a brilliant creator of content

Mozart piano quartet in G minor is such an overlooked masterpiece. Great video as always.

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I’m always think about the special uniqueness of one-time counterpoint melodies. This video confirms my feelings about that. Thank you!

Mozart's melodies are so effortless...

Excellent analysis, as always. I think that the 16th string quartet is Mozart's true "dissonance quartet". It is quite peculiar when compared to the other quartets, it is harmonically adventurous and has some bizarre moments - for example the opening of the first movement.

That part in the Waldstein sonata has to be my favourite crescendo in all of Beethoven's music. So satisfying. Edit: One could argue that the countermelody in that part derives from the second theme of the sonata since it's a downward diatonic scale, too.

To my shame, i hadn't heard the Haydn Quartet in E-flat untul watching this video, but I can already intuit, it will soon become one of my favorite chamber pieces. Thank you, Richard for your whimsically diverse, creative freedom!

First thing I first thought of where I saw the title of the video : Intermezzo of the op 13 in A minor from mendelssohn, when the A section comes again for the 2nd time, pure beauty

My favorite of these is from the Mendelssohn Octet. At the end of the first movement, the violin sweeps into this absolutely glorious one-time melody that sounds almost deux-ex-machina, like a voice saying, "Don't worry, you're through the hard part, you'll be fine now, everything is going to be okay." That first movement of the Octet is simply one of my favorite pieces of music...ever. Iona Brown and the Academy of St. Martin-in-the-Fields playing it on a Philips CD was the very first CD I ever got back in 1997. :) Thank you again for your extraordinary work.

One of my favorite one-time countermelodies appears at the violin in the recapitulation of the first theme in Mendelssohn 1st piano trio mvt 1. The cello theme becomes a sublime duo with the violin during a few bars.

The second appearance by that magnificent K. 478 quartet on this channel! Also, I managed to spot the 5-5-3-1 calling card in both its first and third movements.

I know this channel is about the technical side of composing (and I really enjoy that) but I would also be happy with a selection of just 'most inspired moments' in music. Those moments where the composer suddenly finds a melody or twist that seems special even when it is no clear why (sometimes it seems just luck, for instance that the minor version of a melody turns out so well).

Countermelodies are often born out of a specifc textural situation. I recently wrote a peice for choir and orchestra and in one passage for the basses and tenors in octaves with the rest playing and singing supportive harmonies in long note values I wanted to have an oboe on top of that and because of the movement of the bass melody a motive in contrary motion felt appropriate and violá - a countermelody revaeled itself. I think it is similar in these cases here in video - and often partly in contrary motion (which connect the new melody with the other one harmonically and motive wise and I think this is one reason that we often feel that these melodies belong there even if they only occur there. The character of the countermelody and how that fits in in the over -all form and structue also plays a role, of course.) Whether we like melodies that do not reoccur is of course a matter of of taste. I think that when it is well done and just feels right such moments can shine like a diamond. If we are dealing with a movement that is to a very large extent monothematic it can also be a welcome releive to allow yourself some material freedom for a while and even Beethoven does that sometimes.

Great video as always. The rhythmic ambiguity of the opening of that op. 64 movement recalls the opening of the 1st movement of Symphony 28, also in 3/4 but easy to hear in 6/8. Most conductors actually do articulate it as though it really is in 6/8 (which causes some strange accents in e.g. mm. 6 and 8) but it can be consistently done in 3/4 -- in some ways, it's a whole different piece of music. Along with its other fine elements it's a masterpiece in walking a tightrope between the two meters, such that either one can be heard as entirely valid.

6:10 well one could argue this is the 2nd theme actually

Most beautiful, many thanks! Greetings Andreas

Haydn really has so many really great quartet slow movements. it shouldn't be a surprise, given at least 40 great quartets

I just gotta say, you're like my favorite KZfaqr. Thank you for constantly providing us with this insane musical analysis:)

Brilliant video, I loved that you included a Beethoven Sonata and would love to see more of them in future vids, specially Waldstein sonata is just wonderful stuff!

I also love the "new" theme marked green in the K478 g minor quartet. It's actually not entirely new, but also contains a rhythmic variation of the opening theme. If you count right from the sforzando note you highlighted, it's identical to the rhythm of the opening phrase and very close to its melody contour. It completely changed the way I hear it after I discovered it. The subsequent theme is also built on the falling fourth of the opening theme, with two repeated lower notes after a decoration of the first note, immediately followed by an inversion in two dimensions in the next bar. The closing theme is an augmentation of the response argument on piano in the opening theme. It was initially disguised as the the first appearance on violin did not have the octave leap before the descending scale, but it was explicitly hinted on the piano and became clear when piano used that to start its own complete melody. Probably in these sense it can be considered as monothematic?

Absolutely wonderful. Particularly enjoyed the Beethoven excerpt, Waldstein is one of my favorite of his sonatas, and the final Haydn piece. Thanks a lot!

Unusual topic but enjoyed this very much thanks 😊.

We could not have asked for a better palate cleanser.

A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one! (much like one-time-only countermelodies)

For the first example, I would say that the theme has a strong resembleance to the underlying theme. They look as mirroring each other.

nice video!

I'm no expert on the topic but the first (only) example that comes to mind is from the first movement of Beethoven 5 -- the oboe counter-melody and brief solo that marks the recapitulation.

Another great music video. I listened today to the 2 piano quartets and piano quintet of Mozart. I cannot pick one favourite, they are all perfect. Luckily I don't have to pick, I have them all. Thanks for your great work, greetings from Holland.

5:09 dang these Wikipedia analyses are coming for your job with deep insight like that 🤯

I think there is a practice to have such countermelodies (accompanying main themes) in sonata form reprises (or sometimes codas that start like another reprise). IIRC there are gorgeous examples in the 1st mvmts of Schubert D 887 quartet and Bruckner's 7th symphony.

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What a delightful video! Thank you for this. It made me think about one-time-only dazzingly beautiful themes (like the one at the beginning of Beethoven’s Op. 78, or the 10-bar long theme at the ending of Brahms’ Op. 10 No. 4-I believe it started on bar 115 or 116). Do you have any favorites? Also, as somebody who loves your channel and who has been faithful to it for years already (I first got to know it when you posted your video about the finale of Mozart’s Jupiter), I must say that, now more than ever, I miss the presence of female composer’s here. Do you know the piano pieces of Hélène de Montgeroult, who composed in the decade of 1790 music that sometimes sounded like Debussy, or like Mendelssohn, Schumann? (The level of the recordings really is a problem here, since most of them are pretty bad. But I would listen to Luca Chiantore or Clare Hammond.) Or, for instance, the choral works of Lili Boulanger-there is SO MUCH there to be explored. Thank you so much for your wonderful channel!

Marvelous, as always. Would you please recommend me some book I could use to study music theory?

I watched this just one time

I missed Beethoven on this channel... :')

Mendelssohn clearly learned this technique from Mozart and Haydn. See the gorgeous violin counter melody at the recapitulation of his D minor trio.

You should make a video on all of Mozart's calling cards

My composition professor in my Master's program criticized a work of mine because it had a short section with an unrelated theme. But he was wrong. It's rhythm was the crux of the whole piece, where the piece transitioned from the first major theme to the second one. It just shows you that professional composers are not so hot after all.

Take a look at the Beethoven's Sonata Hammerklavier

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YES! :D Love these examples and your analysis Re: The Beethoven repeating the opening phrase in Bb. It definitely feels that way to the ears when the chord first appears, but I always think that it "reveals" itself to be IV of IV by the end of the phrase (via a C4/2 to G(6). Similarly the opening idea has the V(4/2) of V(6) at the end of its phrase and the same phenomenon occurs in the faster 16th note roiling version of the theme (now transposed up to D minor) "revealing" itself to be iv/vi as we modulate towards (of all keys) E Major for the 2nd theme. And my god, that ingenious coda; my god, what a bitch it is to play xD

Superb content as ever; thought provoking but accessible, coherent and beautifully presented. One of the great frustrations regarding the relationship between Mozart and Haydn, and then Haydn and Beethoven, is that we know so little about what they actually talked about when together* - Mozart and Haydn between c.1784 and 1790 (the latter’s departure for England), and Haydn and Beethoven briefly in 1790 in Bonn, 1792-93 outside the counterpoint lessons and particularly whilst Beethoven was at Eisenstadt with Haydn during part of 1793, and then whilst the pair were together after Haydn’s return from London in August 1795.** I think it very plausible that firstly, Mozart and Haydn would have discussed exactly the sort of content that Richard has presented here (and elsewhere), and it’s inconceivable that secondly, Beethoven would not have discussed with Haydn both free composition, and Mozart as a composer when they were together. Many thanks for a brilliant quarter of an hour that will be much appreciated all around the world by those lucky enough to be subscribed, or come across it by chance. * The biographies of all three composers are notoriously thin on this subject, and all retail essentially the same few titbits. ** Too dominated of course by the misunderstandings over the c minor trio (Opus 1 No 3), Beethoven’s derogatory comments about the Haydn’s counterpoint lessons, and the refusal to add ‘Pupil of Haydn’ to the dedication of the Opus 2 piano sonatas.

Thank you for this very interesting video on countermelodies. Actually I have not composed many my self, but in this piece actually you have two countermelodies playing along with the main theme. Whisc is actually is the second theme in this piece. First you hear it with the first countermeloy which is sung by a choir and. BUT! Second time the second theme appears with the same countermelody sung by the choir and dubbled with the trumpets a THIRD countermelody appears after four bars played by the horns. I am very proud of this since creating countermeldy is not only to get the counterpoint right, but each melody much work as individual melodies musically as well...have a listen...it is school orchestra , but you will spot it anyway..;) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mZ-IaJBqq72Vj4E.html