I would definitely want to buy one if only to try it out at this point as a secondary GPU.

If they become viable competition for Nvidia and AMD, I absolutely would get one. Even if I didn’t use it, I get one to help them.

I wouldn’t buy one yet, but I am very interested in the future of Arc.

I would rather wait for their 2nd gen, when that comes out I'll definitely consider it

Absolutely, the problem is I have better hardware already, if they drop something new and it is actually an improvement over what I have, I will give them a shot.

Awesome to hear. What game was that?

@@GamersNexus Minesweeper

@@t1e6x12 bro is trolling :/

What game? It would be good to know and test.

@@GamersNexus I saw an update to Satisfactory where they added XeSS in a recent patch of their experimental branch (game is still early access). Would be cool to see the implementation in this game!

Helps a ton to see real user commentary like this! Awesome to hear it's working out for you.

⁠@@GamersNexushave one coming in soonish. Plan in using it predominantly for machine learning. Quite a journey for data scientists there.

I'm sure a few of the oddities I have on either system I've been using could be resolved if I just installed drivers and nothing else. Like Nvidia experience or AMD's Adrenaline software.

sure does solve alot, been using nvcleanstall to install driver only for years since I don't use any geforce experience features and have only had 1 driver issue since with youtube videos that was quickly fixed in the last 7 years lol.@@ArtisChronicles

What's your FPS avg on BG3?

[Run yeet.exe] "It's fixed boss."

Morning coffee fix 😂

It's not hard when it was so bad to begin with. That being said, it's still too far behind in several games to be worth it to me. I really wanted to get one but too much to pay for a broken card. Maybe next gen...

@@farmeunitwill yeah that was to be expected the only graphics knowledge they started it with is with Igpu’s which is better then nothing and they only could get so much data from within the company they needed to release it to the public to really get it better

@@farmeunitit was bad but I would argue it’s not “easy” to improve it the way they did. They could have simply abandoned it and spent their money and time elsewhere. We need a strong third competitor in the market to keep Nvidia and AMD pricing under control. I think this is a good first step … it’s by no means great, but they’ve proved they will support their products. I’m used to Intel being the company we all hate on … in this case they are the underdog and I’m rooting for them to succeed.

Would have loved to see a performance comparison to the launch driver.

@@blackbirdpctech I want them to succeed, as well, but they said it would be 3070 performance. Some games it's barely 3050. I am just saying, don't lie or overhype it. It's just simply not a good option. I would have even bought one and was really close but not when priced higher than the AMD card that beats in in every aspect.

What makes you think Intel would be any better? Given Intel's history with CPU pricing, if they become a competitor they would also join in on exploiting demand.

@@viet0necouldn't have said it better these people treat intel like a small charity

@@viet0ne Exactly. Intel is only cheaper because they're the underdog and they need to entice people to actually buy their products. They're playing catch-up when they've just been lapped and haven't even gotten off the starting line. If they get any sizeable market share, expect them to charge what the competition is charging because, just like AMD and NVIDIA, they will be able to get away with it.

If anything, Nvidia is, yes, but I paid 200 for an 8GB gpu from amd, which is cheaper than the same from intel, so they arent the small comapny, they are the monopoly that amd came to fix.

@@viet0ne More choices should be better for consumers and for the the advancement of the technology itself. 3 companies chasing market share should = at least some slow down of the price increases.

It also could be just a case of Intel having rested on their laurels too long, considering they seem to have been completely blindsided by AMDs new CPUs. And somehow managed to find the roles reversed with AMD having the more power efficient CPUs and Intel CPUs just throwing power draw at the problem to get comparable performance.

Definitely an eye opener and one that puts Moore Threads challenges into even greater perspective. I really hope China can do some good work with that GPU. More competition the better!

​@@GodzThirdLeg Ummm think again. I thought exactly that as well. Until I found someone discussing.. that now, both companies are overclocking/pre-clocking their processors wayy beyond optimal clocks,.. overvolting them as well in doing so. Thus amd's "oh processor is running at 95°c, its designed to do so" somewhat true in amd's case. And Intel abusing the clocks beyond the optimal efficiency even more so. But the guy "Tech Yes City" I think, has demonstrated that.. both Intel and Amd average around the same efficiency when undervolted a teensy bit, almost without losing performance.

No doubt. - Back in the day there war many GPU Companies (ie: 3Dfx, ATI, Trident, TSeng, Matrox, PowerVR Kyro, etc..)

If Intel are still listening, Hear us when we say, Intel Arc sucks and has since Day 1. If thousands of consumers are gonna be your alpha and beta testers, you could have at least sold them the graphics cards 'at cost'.

​@@garyb7193I think everyone knows that but not many care really

Until they gain a good marketshare

@@garyb7193ofc they will suck ...its their first after all, look at AMD, their sofwares were dogshits and uncompatible with ppl works many times, took them years to fix it. Everyone gonna be alpha and beta test at some point

@@garyb7193 Wtf are you on? We say lol speak for yourself. Do you not see that their basically giving these cards away? and what new piece of tech/game does not have any alpha/beta testers in its early stages? Its called improving each reiteration until its stable, The first NShidia cards and AMD cards faced the same dilemma Einstein.

Same here!!!! love my A770

A770 LE GANG!!

How does it worth it tho?

I wonder how much of the A770 16GB has gone to people for inference. It's certainly a lot nicer than the 800+ bucks everyone else wants for 16GB, and there's a lot of performance left on the table. Also, I'm pretty sure most of the optimization works across their entire product stack, from iGPU to Ponte Vecchio.

The Linux D3D8 and D3D9 wrappers are just more optimized than Intel's was, same idea but why re invent the wheel when an excellent performing and highly compatible wrapper already existed. The D3D 8 and 9 performance boost in windows came when Intel ditched their own wrapper and baked the linux wrapper into their Windows drivers. The ironic thing is that wrappers often work better than native DirectX 8 and 9 on current windows because MS has stopped maintaining it and a lot of older games perform badly with it or are just outright broken.

Valve didn't create DXVK, but it's used by Proton which was developed by them.

@@offspringfan89 They didn't create it but they did make sure it continued on by hiring the developer behind it.

I am so thankful for valve. Linux gaming would be so much less of a reality without them, and to be honest it doesn’t feel like they really *had* to pick Linux - they could’ve just went with mobile windows for the steam deck for example. So awesome that they’re willing to put in the effort.

​@@Bvngeeif you think about it, if they went with Windows they'd have to pay more and increase prices for windows licensing. It was probably a business decision, but definitely one I support and am very thankful for.

I am actually thinking of building an all Intel system if battlemage is up to snuff.

Considering Intel is only barely matching the perf/$ value of the RX 6600 and RX 6650XT, and thus giving their users zero discount for the "a little less than stellar" driver situation.... what makes you think Intel won't "quality signal" with the price as soon as they get even half way competitive on the driver side?

@@andersjjensen I imagine that they are not able to go much lower based on actual manufacturing cost. The die used for the a 770 is much larger than 6650 XT. At the $200 price, they are probably on the verge of losing money once you factor in distribution and retail mark ups. Hopefully, BattleMage will be good enough to justify the cost, and actually a profit margin that makes it worth doing business in the GPU market. Nvidia’s over here making 400% mark ups on the material costs of their founders cards, if Intel could get by on 50% and keep the doors open, we’d all be very much better off.

Arc has almost 0% market share. If they jack up the price like AMD did, then they won't have any buyers. AMD is discovering this with high end RDNA3.

@@ryanspencer6778 Except the 7900XTX has sold pretty well according to retailers who publish their data. The 6900XT didn't sell well in it's hay-day because it was significantly more expensive than the 6800XT while only being 11% faster, and not offering anything over Nvidia in terms of price to performance. But the 7900XTX was instantly a good buy to anyone who values raster the most. As fast in raster as the 4080, $200 cheaper and with 8GB more VRAM was generally received as a straight deal. The 7900XT, on the other hand, got itself review-day bombed because it was 90% the price for 80% the performance. But how where it's 75% the price for 80% the performance it seems to be moving.

Because it’s not really a first gen product. Internally it was “take integrated graphics and throw the cores away”

​@@someusername121 didn't they attempt something similar in the past? So it sort of wasn't their first run at it any way you slice it. Difference is this is being publicly sold while the other project wasn't.

That's far from the truth. Yes, it's based on their integrated graphics architecture, but only in the way that Nvidia's Ada is based on Ampere, Turing, or Pascal. It's a different architecture, certainly not just take away the CPU cores. That's what DG1 was.

@John-PaulHunt-wy7lf They are unlikely to dethrone Nvidia, as long as Nvidia chooses to stay in the consumer GPU market. Intel, more than any other tech company, understands just how powerful being the dominant market leader is, since that has been their own position in the consumer CPU market since forever. Nvidia owns something like 80-85% of the consumer GPU market. And Nvidia is likely developing their own GPU technology faster than Intel is (or even can).

You're doing the Lord's work on your channel, keep doing the great job!

The funny thing is no one really knows and won't know how truly capable the Arc Alchemist architecture is. As explained to me, a few bugs in the arch design is holding the rest of it back, which also leads to no one really knowing how fast these would be without these bugs.

@@offspringfan89 thanks I will

They give off an older Nvidia 600/700 or AMD 5000/6000 series vibe and I dig it.

Love the Sparkle edition.

​@X39-hg9lz That's why I was more interested in that OEM card. Even though I really like the aesthetic of the Intel made cards.

@X39-hg9lz That is still hilarious to me

I just realized that as long as Intel sticks around we'll have video cards that will fulfill R, G, and B style cards.

Should i get a770 for video editing? I use premiere pro and after effects

I can get an Intel ARC 770 16gb for $200+ at Best Buy. Definitely will be picking one of these up. Any recommendation on a MOBO? I'll be using a 13th Gen I5.

​@@tawsikabdullah I don't use A770, but using A750. And yeah, it works like a champ. It smoothly renders PTS, AI, PR and AE. The largest render I did after using Arc750 is 4K 60FPS 25 minutes long, and no problem. So yeah I recommend A750/770. Just remember that you have to update the intel driver, or it gonna be a disaster with stock driver.

​@@acardenasjr1340 I recommend the Gigabyte Z790 UD, just notice that Gigabyte software is kinda ... sucks. It's not bad at the level that brick the PC or can not use, but sucks, but cheaper than Asus or MSI. My specs are: Gigabyte Z790 UD, Intel Arc 750, I5 13K, and 32GB DDR5.

Hold on, you aren't the final decision maker?

Great job, I did the same but manly to support intel since making gpu's is extremely hard.

@@fluffy_unicorn859 Handbrake also support Intel quicksync, but I bet Serotaca doesn't talk about handbrake, but more likely Plex/Emby or Jellyfin hardware transcoding features. These help a lot to real-time transcode (for smaller bitrate) and stream video to users with slower internet connections, like mobile devices

​@@fluffy_unicorn859All the Arc cards have the same media transcoding parts on them. There is minimal, if no benefit, from choosing an A750 over an A380 for that purpose alone.

Looking forward to benchmarking it!

I'm waiting for Battlemage before I go and replace my RTX 2080.

@@PixelatedWolf2077 I am on a gtx 1660TI laptop , waiting for battlemage to make my first PC build , and will get a CPU from AMD to support the competition on both GPU and CPU sides.

Yeah! Do they change code path and how, what order they execute certain things etc… or is it too much company secret thing?

Would love that too actually

same lmao, no cap

Didn't get it 😢

They integrated DXVK directly into the driver earlier this year. Much bigger difference compared to release for older games

I'm 53 owned a computer building Co in the 90's (8th largest us importer from tiawan ) have degrees in engineering and computer science and I have been programming since I was ten.. I kinda laugh because at first it was just like what Nvidia and and drivers used to be like. You had to carefully tweak and configure most games. Intel haD the same issue. But fixed them very quickly. No game in my hugged collection has trouble running and running well abd that's been the case since March!.. I thing those who only use these to test these don't understand the cards , I wonder if they removed the Nvidia drivers properly or have some other configuration problems because often my tests and benchmarks far outshine those from here! I remember getting literally twice the fps for God of war than the benchmark with the same hardware and driver version !

​@@koto483 So Intel is probably going to be worth it then when next gen drops? I was worried about DX9 support

Why is ARC exiting? They still can't compete with a 6600 or 6650XT. If they were at least cheaper than AMD's cards.

​@@nipa5961wrong

is there any special trick for making this work?

Awesome about the acceleration in Resolve! We're hoping to try something similar for our own video pipeline, although unfortunately we don't use DaVinci! Super helpful comment to share your Arc experience. Thanks for posting!

I'm on AMD 5700G for the moment with DaVinci till GPU are decent priced with AV1 hardware encoding. Would you recommend I buy the fastest arc I can afford? Or should I save up for Nvidia 30/40 series?

@@HaroldKuilman I bought my ASRock Intel ARC A310 from Amazon for $104 shipped to my door. It has been a phenomenal piece of equipment to say the least. From 20+ hour video edits down to 8 hours for 15 minute long videos. Simply because it doesn't pause or freeze anymore!

@@yasha1928 I'll have to go for a faster one, without a 3090 next to it, but good to hear it's stable now. When it released it wasn't.

as admin, or maker, never give the user something you are forced to take away ...but its not like intel planned it.

So are we all. The last thing we need now is for Intel to throw in the towel.

Same

That's fine, as long as they get there. Their presence should still help keep NVIDIA and AMD in check when needed.

@@GamersNexusboy i wish i shared this faith in market forces lol

​@@GamersNexusWhen AMD was way behind Nvidia, that was the dream. That once AMD can compete with Nvidia, prices will go down, now AMD is price fixing just like Nvidia.

@iyoub6931 ​OK, this is another reason for Intel to disrupt the market and put them in check :)

@@cashnelson2306 Oligopoly is much harder to pull off than duopoly and especially monopoly. It doesn't matter if it's electronics or fruits.

Do you have it now also ??

Both the a750 and a770 are at 3060 to 3060 ti levels in most games that it has optimised drivers for so that's already done? The a770 can reach 3070 levels in some games but it depends. Battlemage will supposedly aim at 4080 performance levels so not 4090 either.

cannot agree any more. There is demand for top of the line stuff for sure, but there are also a TON of us who look for that 3060/4060 equivalent that just runs things fine in concert with processors that are also just fine. I'd guess it's a massive section of the market, and we get massively underserved and taken for granted during the new gen reveals. Middle-tier, reliable video cards will be insanely high demand in the coming years.

That's what they already do. And features are important. Features are what make your brand. Features are what makes Nvidia sell more than AMD. If they did an AMD and just focused on making a GPU that worked perfectly at raster, I don't think people would care as much about Arc. But XeSS and RT on the higher end cards is good. Not quite as good as Nvidia, but better than AMD, which will help them far more in the future than getting raster 10% better on the beta generation.

@ryanspencer6778 they kinda do but not at the same level. They need to fix somethings and keep the good work (like Gamer Nexus said in this video). if they deliver stable performance and stay competitive, then you can say that they did... I would love to recommend their cards, but when people ask for recommendations, then I have to say that 3060 is more reliable than Intel's...

@@ryanspencer6778 pc builders buy Nvidia because they consider it the default. AMD has had outright better performance, and they bought Nvidia. Nvidia has had scandals involving the very design of their cards, but gamers buy Nvidia. Nobody will dethrone Nvidia, ever.

hahaha, at the end of the video, he says "what's no cap!?"

Bro now also is it working fine ???

@@centurieos701 wdym now also? That was only 3 weeks ago lol

Bro do you own it now also ??

@@centurieos701 Yea, It's still in my PC

We haven't tested it in Resolve, but another commenter here says it's working well for them!

@@GamersNexus saw it, but that was in combination with 30 series. I'm on a budget so I have to pick just one GPU with AV1 encoding 🤷‍♂️ I'm on 5700G Apu for the time being (planning to save up for an 5950X upgrade after the GPU)

I can certainly understand AMD's perspective though. The way to grow their profits is to charge their existing consumer base more. Simply because they haven't gained any meaningful marketshare on the GPU side of things.

@@ArtisChronicles Well, this is the chicken and egg problem. You need low prices to gain marketshare, but you need high prices to remain profitable with your currently small marketshare. It really comes down to a policy decision. Do we go into marketshare gain mode and crash the prices for a while or do we stay in this limbo of 10% and try to scalp our current customers? It's a matter of executive decision. Short term planning vs long term planning.

They need to prove themselves then

It will continue to be ignored until it actually does something. Not just an applaud for showing up.

The fact that Nvidia already tried pushing their AIBs to not use Intel GPUs says that Intel GPUs are definitely a good thing.

It should definitely stop if it doesn't make them profits. That 401k is not going to grow by itself 😉

Not really. According to the most recent benchmarks done by phoronix fron 2-3 weeks ago at least, the Vulkan performance of the intel cards on linux lags waay behind windows and how the equivialent cards from nVidia and AMD perform on either OS. Maybe it'll improve once intel integrates their new kernel driver but for now the performance is sub par and you're much better off getting a AMD card if you are on Linux (or nVidia if you need CUDA or specific nvidia features and can live with driver jank) DXVK can however help the Arc cards on some dx9/10/11 titles on windows since the vulkan implementation works great there...

Agreed. I really want to see Intel focus on the core performance of its cards. The budget and mid range markets have a lot of opportunity for them to gain a foothold and develop some loyalty

This, but flip the OS'es. I've been running Windows for the last year and frankly, it's a pain to learn how to SysAdmin on Windows.

ARC doesn't show up in the Steam hardware survey. You're looking at total percentage users of each brand which includes every iGPU still in use. Edit: Xe users make up 1.41 percent of the market, that's technically ARC.

​@@nimroderyThe Xe branding is also on many of the Intel mobile igpus. So most of those are not actually Arc.

@@nimrodery even 1.4% is really impressive for a first launch

😂 ok

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