Onkyo TX-RZ70 limited tike sale for $2,299: bit.ly/3VUg2yC
@chrishamilton5960Ай бұрын
@@Audioholics Now it’s 1999 at Audio Advice.
@johnfurious8419Ай бұрын
Reminds me back in the day when all the receivers like Carver, Mcintosh, Pioneer, and Onkyo were massive, heavy with plenty of power.
@1ufcfanatic795Ай бұрын
My Onkyo Tx-nr1007 is quite heavy
@walterpen371Ай бұрын
Also the TOTAL HARMONIC DISTORTION WARS WERE ON. Remember that audiophiles actually believed that they could hear the difference between 0.03% and 0.003% THD / IMD???
@bphilbacАй бұрын
Great review Gene. You have been my go to reviewer for the past 12 years before I purchased any audio products. I appreciate what you do.
@robwr737Ай бұрын
Yes! Dirac included at a very reasonable price. Maybe Onkyo is truly finally back. Just 🙏 the boards and chips last. Thank you Gene, this was fast you jumped right on the testing for us. TY 🤗🤗🤗🤗 Freakin awesome 👌 big watts, low distortion, with 7 channels driven at a great price 👍. Dang, now I gotta find $3k. 😅 oh, crap, this will mean i need new speakers 🙀🙀🙀😂
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
@@robwr737 on sale for $2300 RN! bit.ly/3VUg2yC
@firmbutton6485Ай бұрын
My 5009 still going strong with heat sinks on all the hot chips as identified with an ir camera!
@JohanDeeАй бұрын
That the internal parts last, exactly!!
@bootneylee9802Ай бұрын
Bang for buck. It's what Onkyo does very well. 👌
@av8rbri473Ай бұрын
Badass Award 💪🏻
@wezzman1Ай бұрын
I've missed these bench testing, more please.😊
@Audiomainia2310Ай бұрын
You're a class act Gene - and another great in depth review. Not often you get this excited over a product, and I was about to buy the RZ-50 at $1000.00 / and I thought that was great. But your affiliate link has this receiver for $1999.00??? I'm speechless - and pulling the trigger right now. Thanks so much Gene.
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
It's a crazy deal that I don't think we will see again anytime soon.
@Audiomainia2310Ай бұрын
@@Audioholics thanks for the email - there was a link at the bottom. I can't wait!!! 😄😄😄
@bwheels0220 күн бұрын
How much better are the internals vs the RZ-50? Worth the extra $1k?
@Audiomainia231020 күн бұрын
@@bwheels02 the power supplies have been redesigned and the heat sinks are far more prevalent. My personal advice - upgrading to the RZ-70 from the RZ-50 is not advisable UNLESS you find the RZ-70 on sale like it is at Crutchfield for $1999.00.
@larrystoogel2371Ай бұрын
Excellent review Gene. I'm going to keep an eye on this unit. If ever my Onkyo TX-SR805 dies, this is top of the list to replace it.
@scottg8314Ай бұрын
@@larrystoogel2371 eventually your hdmi board will fail and overheat 😕
@donwojtanowski140Ай бұрын
I just bought one. Right now I'm using the the rz50. I couldn't turn down the current price being on sale. Honestly above all Gene sold me on this.. Great review
@AJ-zl8bzАй бұрын
Yeah, amazon had it down to $2,299.00, plus the additional 5% back on the prime card. I was waiting for Gene's review. My wife is out on a weekend trip with the ladies and there was no one here to stop me... ;) So I pulled the trigger, my denon 3600H is going to the fb marketplace. (she's been great) I was wanting more power for my 2 channel towers (B&W's), plus all my surrounds are Klipsch. VERY excited. (New gear is fun.) Thanks Gene, I will be sure to bring your name up on Monday when a big box shows up and you are partially to blame. I will be excited to see the additional coverage on this. Never used dirac, so hoping you drop a video on setting that up with the Z70.
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
Our channel partner Audio Advice has the sane sale. You actually get superior support and help the channel using our link. bit.ly/3VUg2yC
@stevet7487Ай бұрын
@@AudioholicsPlus free shipping, just like Amazon.
@buki231Ай бұрын
Picked up an RZ50 for $821 delivered from Amazon a couple weeks ago.
@Eki27422 күн бұрын
@@buki231 nowy czy używany???
@billhayes5047Ай бұрын
Had several onkyo Thx models in the past and recommended to my friends as well. They always were amazing value, but every single one myself and my friends, all developed hdmi issues. I know its impossible to tell for a while but hopefully no reliability issues and they can start rebuilding the brand. In fairness to onkyo mine was fixed on a recall. My friends was fixed by them out of warranty. Competition is only good for the consumer so I hope they play a blinder.
@KCC46Ай бұрын
The systemic HDMI failures haven't been an issue for nearly a decade now. It was definitely a weakness of the late -00s/early-10s Onkyo/Integra design.
@KeithCopeland778Ай бұрын
Excellent review as usual!
@thelonewolf66621 күн бұрын
my RZ70 is the best receiver ive ever owned and ive had most brands and its better than many more expensive ones--by far, its engaging, its powerful and dynamic, its immersive and fantastic
@svenverbruci2543Ай бұрын
Gene, this is impressive work (again). I've been on the fence on whether or not to buy an AV-receiver/amp as many of them don't perform particularly well. I'm coming from a Lyngdorf TDAI-1120, but I'm missing the LFE and this Onkyo looks most impressive indeed. The one thing that's holding me back is the absence of the manual PEQ you're talking about. I love that on my Lyngdorf. Any thoughts?
@slimjim1104Ай бұрын
Ive been using a txsr 876 since 2010. 140x7. The 906 was the flagship at the time. This was the next model down. Bought brand new for like 1200. Used it as my main power source for years. Now i use it as just a pre with poweramps but its still my main home theater processor. Hundreds of hours on it too. Never had an hdmi board issue but i purposely went with the 876 to get the higher end HQV hdmi set.ive had several onkyo and integra products over the last 20 or so years and have never been disappointed. I still use a txsr 601 in my gaming setup. Think i got it in 2001? I think about uograding to a 5508 or 09 to get xlr connections and true dedicated preamp because i still run a 1080p pioneer kuro 60 inch and have no desire to swap that screen any time soon. 1080p on a proper plasma still looks fantastic to me.
@turnneАй бұрын
You have been VERY lucky not to have had an HDMI board issues with that one
@JamaicaSocialАй бұрын
Hey Gene, can you PLEASE do a review of the cheaper RZ-50, the RZ-70 is waay pass my budget.... BTW the ONKYO rep for the US confirmed on a recent podcast with Giles that the RZ-90 is coming pretty soon. I'm already wondering how they're gonna top this and I believe it would have more power and independent sub outs and a higher end DAC 🤔
@andrewskaterrrАй бұрын
The Denon X3800h is a better buy. While I want to love the RZ50, it is a 11.1 output and no DLBC. The X3800h measures slightly better and has 11.4 output, and is DL and DLBC upgradable. You can get it for $1000-1300, same price as the RZ50. IMO the X3800h killed the RZ50.
@JamaicaSocialАй бұрын
@@andrewskaterrr So you have owned the RZ-50 or you're just doing a side-by-side comparison on paper? I've owned three ONKYO receivers and there is a clear distinction in the house sound of both brands. Denon leans warm while I've found Onkyo to be neutral. I agree about the subwoofer output.
@Eki27413 күн бұрын
@@JamaicaSocialoczywiście kupiłem kiedyś onkyo nr 686 chciałem ulepszyć do 5.1.4 kupiłem Denon 4400 za 3x tyle pieniędzy co Denon.Tylko denon był nudny.Więc zmieniłem na rz1100 Całkiem inny sprzęt onkyo wygrało dynamiką uderzeniem jedyny minus Subwofer ciężko ustawić.
@miscreant1739Ай бұрын
Excellent work!
@jokerzwild106Ай бұрын
Excellent review as always Gene. Not in the position to do a 3k upgrade to my system, just enjoy your reviews. Sticking with my Cinema 60, which is perfect for me at this time.
@MDavis2112Ай бұрын
Good afternoon Gene, greetings from Gunn Hwy ✌️
@paultravisano9403Ай бұрын
It just needs 4 independent sub outs and PEQ and it's perfect
@momsbasement656Ай бұрын
Yeah, that's the main reason I got a Denon X3800h instead. Also people were having major Dirac issues on Onkyo at the time.
@mauriciob8260Ай бұрын
@@momsbasement656 you can add a mini dsp x4 and you can configure it to get 4 independent subs
@turnneАй бұрын
@@momsbasement656 Dirac is very easy to set up on these units. I have often thought that this units is the best thing out there under $3500. It best the Denon X6800 in bench testing
@constantine5767Ай бұрын
Hi Gene, Thanks for your detailed review. 268 watts into 4ohms is great. What are your thoughts on the Onkyo RZ50? It's going for $999 on sale. How similar or different is the sound quality compared to RZ 70? Thanks
@NoviliciousАй бұрын
The integra version of it what I’m super interested in because it has xlr outputs for the front 3 channels!
@talosianАй бұрын
Love my DRX-8.4, go for it!
@emiliofederici9459Ай бұрын
Hi Gene, thanks for your usual great job. I'm a happy owner of a RZ70 since it came out (almost an year now); I must admit the unit had a few bugs with the first firmwares that are being corrected now with the new releases, but it sounds really good and love Dirac Live (with DLBC). My setup is made of three amps, with the fronts driven by a stereo amp (that goes into bypass mode when used for home theater) and the 5 other base level speaker driven by my old Onkyo multichannel power amp (PA-MC5501), so the RZ70 is just driving the 4 height channels (I prefer this setup, to spread the load on the two amps, even though the RZ70 would be able to drive all 9 channels on its own). My height are pure 4ohms and being heights they don't need all the power other channels ofter require, so I've set the RZ70 to the low impedence 4ohm setting, do you still think that it should be set to high impedence even in my particular case?
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
Rewatch the video and my comments on the 4ohm switch.
@NosEL34Ай бұрын
You should set it to high impedance then break the switch off so that you or anyone else never puts it in 4ohm mode again. 😊
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
@@NosEL34 sadly it's done in firmware now and too easily accessible.
@saplinbisjacАй бұрын
Hey Gene. You've got a subscriber all the way from South Africa. Great content as usual. About the power consumption rated on the back of the receiver, did you measure the power consumption on the electric wall plug while testing or playing a movie or something? Asking, because I've the RZ830 which is rated 850 watt, however, I've measured the actual electrical power consumption while listening at reference level, 5.1.4 channels using power consumption measurement Bluetooth plug, and usually it never goes beyond 300 watts, with explosions etc. it would reach 350 watts momentarily for few seconds only. I'm keen to know this for RZ70. Thank you
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
@saplinbisjac No I didn't but it's pretty easy to calculate. You'd be surprised how little average power you use during normal listening, especially if your speakers are all bass managed.
@gaurd3Ай бұрын
Proves the old adage. Good things come to those who wait. Glad this exists. The up-market is getting kind of silly.
@3js312Ай бұрын
Love Onkyo! Been using them since Circuit City days! Could you please do a video on how to prevent dust build up on electronics and the safest way to clean them? I’ve used vacuum’s and compressed dust spray.
@VonMagXL4 күн бұрын
The Marantz SR8015 has been on sale for over six months at under $2000 for a brand new 13.2 channel, 11-ch amp do almost everything AVR. I can't imagine why anyone would pay more for less.
@Audioholics4 күн бұрын
I owned and loved the SR8015 but it's no longer in current production and not a fair comparison. The Onkyo has newer HDMI boards, slightly more powerful amp section and Dirac support.
@JohanDeeАй бұрын
Very nice, I owned top of the line flagship Onkyo Integra of € 4000 and after some years it started to break down and it was so complicated, it could not be repaired. It had superb high end sound quality! I had the same with a Integra cd player, wonderous sound, but this one had mechanical troubles and parts were not any more available. No more Onkyo for me ever... 😢
@marcoguzman6711Ай бұрын
Great video Gene! I got a TX RZ 3100 that I got about 6 months before Onkyo USA closed its doors. The AVR seems to share the same architecture as the RZ70 . 140 W , 11.2 channels, thx ultra and dual sub control. It is indeed amazing
@Eki27422 күн бұрын
unfortunately rz3100 has nothing in common with rz70 only with rz3400. I have rz1100, these are class D amplifiers and rz70 is class AB. These are completely different amplifiers with the same power.
@phzacarinАй бұрын
Thanks for the amazing review Gene, seriously considering it as a replacement for my X3600H. Does it support 6 Atmos channels for a 5.1.6 configuration? Couldn't find that information anywhere.
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
No. 4 height channels is the max for this unit.
@jokerwonga22 күн бұрын
Thanks so much for this, Gene. Would love to see you put the Cinema 30 on the bench.
@Audioholics21 күн бұрын
@@jokerwonga amp section of Cinema 30 is identical to the SR8015 that I bench tested a few years ago on this channel.
@jokerwonga19 күн бұрын
@@Audioholics Oh, that’s good to know. I’ve got a hard decision to make between the Cinema 30 and the RZ70!
@ms19631964Ай бұрын
I'm a Denon man. Nice AVR.
@chrishamilton5960Ай бұрын
345 on the bench as well. 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
@DavidSusiloUnscriptedАй бұрын
Dang it you beat me to the punch. I’m in the process of reviewing the Pioneer Elite LX805
@JCOTVАй бұрын
I had an avr onkyo from 2009 that lasted 11 years despite the hdmi problem, now I have the Rz50 and is a beast, sad thing that the rz70 hasn't arrived here in Mexico. Need audioadvice Mexican branch.
@pganszАй бұрын
I have Polk R200's and R350 center that have serious power requirements that my Marantz SR5015 clearly can't bring to life. Seriously considering grabbing this deal right now! 😬
@bertdegroef4205Ай бұрын
Hi Gene, first of all a big thank you for this review 👍. I own this unit for over a year now and I want to ask if you could be more specific on “holding the Nannie’s “? What are the correct settings?
@3184Patrick26 күн бұрын
Very cool, looks like it almost has as much power as my Yamaha RX-Z9... maybe not quite, but close. If I was a onkyo/pioneer/integra fan I'd be pretty excited about these units! And $3000 isn't even that much for a unit like this.
@gregorygoldbarth7464Ай бұрын
Greetings Gene, thank you again for answering my previous question and appreciate your channel and everything you do in the audio world. I’m definitely on the fence between the Marantz Cinema 30 and the Onkyo TXRZ70 The fact that you bench tested, the RZ 70 provides and uncovers a lot of great optimistic results. Should I be focused on the fact that the Marantz has a toroidal transformer and a slightly lower THD? I’m still on the fence. Your suggestion is appreciated. Thank you.
@NMP660Ай бұрын
Was looking forward to this bench test, thank you for taking the time, Gene! I'd +1 to the other comments about a bench test of the RZ-50. One last suggestion, I was curious to see power performance with all 11 channels driven. Any reason you chose 7 channels? Thanks again!
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
@NMP660 impractical to test more than 7ch, especially since you already reach near the limit of the power supply and standard 15A outlet. Also there are no audio analyzers that go beyond 8CH.
@NMP660Ай бұрын
@@Audioholics Good to know, thank you for the reply! I figured there was a good reason. 🙂
@simonnaquin1252Ай бұрын
THX FOR THIS REVIEW..I WAS THINKING OF GETING THIS AVR..OTHER THAN THE SONY..
@bikdavАй бұрын
I have a TX-RZ50. I wonder how it compares in multiple channels.
@perrysmiles60Ай бұрын
It would be great info for us RZ50 owners!
@joescott701Ай бұрын
Makes me want to sell my RZ 50 and upgrade to the 70.
@mauriciob8260Ай бұрын
😅this hobby will make us go bankrupt
@zakblueАй бұрын
I'm looking to upgrade my trusty old Integra integra dhc 80.1 to something that has 4k/atmos support. Where I live I can get the Onkyo RZ50 for half the price of the RZ70. I have external power amps I can use for most channels. Is it worth shelling out for the top model or would the rz50 do the trick? 7.2.2 would be the setup
@Vish-cj8yqАй бұрын
Hi, thanks for the review. You talked about pre-amp output quality. It would be great if you can tell a few budget priced AVRs with clean respectable pre-amp output. Thank you
@wells2671Ай бұрын
Thanks for the great review, Gene. Very impressive results. I know that this review is not directly about the Pioneer, but do you know if Pioneer plans on making an SC version with D amplifiers? I'm still happily using my Pioneer Elite SC-99 (the last one exclusively made by Pioneer), but I always keep and eye and ear our for what else is coming out.
@Audioholics29 күн бұрын
@@wells2671 AFAIK Pioneer and Onkyo will continue using g their current Class AB design topology since it's very solid and cost effective. I don't see them going back to Class D ICE in the foreseeable future.
@greenhill26Ай бұрын
Thanks Gene! Wondering if you had this hooked up to your Sony TV you mentioned earlier in previous vids( 85x90l) during testing? And if so, did it play nice? Good eARC handshake? Able to access receiver menus? If not, no biggie. Just curious. Thanks!
@psyphonyxaudioАй бұрын
...... Pre Amp Disconnect. 5:35 - The amps still receive power, from what I understand. I have to assume a set of relays are used to channel signal and power for this disconnect. Would it be plausible to do a passive amp connect via RCA jumpers on the back? .. I only say this ..because .. I've own 2 Denon units where the Relays failed. I can see how the back of a unit with 11 channel or more with RCA jumpers would be very busy.. but .. could that be more practical for routing and matrixing from the pre amp signals?
@markscreenameАй бұрын
Impressive! I'm hoping future generations of receivers go to class D amplification.
@wezzman1Ай бұрын
To get class D right in an AV receiver it's going to be expensive. The RZ50 struggle.
@dansuess4859Ай бұрын
The new models from JBL are class D.
@wezzman1Ай бұрын
@@dansuess4859 but not in normal folks RZ70 price range.
@dansuess4859Ай бұрын
@@wezzman1 They have five new models, all class D I believe. Big price range. No word if they'll be available in the US.
@uprajsinghАй бұрын
I am confused about being not able to draw the benefits from changing the impedance to 4 ohms on the AVR when running a pair of 4-ohm speakers. Wouldn’t it be beneficial for the amplifier to know that it will be drawing more current? If there is an explanation for this on your Audioholics website or if it restricts the amp in some way, then it makes sense. I understand that this channel is not responsible for any damage I might cause to my gear.
@nimotech8008Ай бұрын
Nice video, thanks :)
@andrewskaterrrАй бұрын
Yes Dirac downsamples to 48khz/24bit.
@Riv359Ай бұрын
Great review, like always 👍. Also, the Integra and Pioneer similar receivers have 10 more watts and different heat sinks. I'm not sure if that makes any difference.
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
Doubtful, especially with the same power consumption rating on the back panel.
@spydergkh633714 күн бұрын
Nice review! Thanks for posting! I have to wonder if this amp could be a replacement for 2 channel dedicated Jolida tube integrated that I use for my TT & CD player.
@housbinpharteen7445Ай бұрын
Out of my price range $4000 Canadian ... but very nice Receivers .. my max price would be $2000 .. because there is always something new coming out.
@ppsvandijk2 күн бұрын
RZ70 has only 20 watt per stereo channel more = divided over the amplified 10 channels = 2 watts per channel. Is that worth the double price difference?
@trauma50disaster1Ай бұрын
Still waiting on the Sony 7000 avr review for what feels like a year...
@@Audioholics Thanks, I seen that. Waiting on the review
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
@@trauma50disaster1 Tell Matt Poes @PoesAcoustics to get on it!
@donjaun540Ай бұрын
Hey Gene I realize you probably can't do it physically, but maybe with your knowledge and your groups knowledge you can do a recommendation for us either poor (me) to people that just don't want to spend a lot on speakers under $2000 a pair for the fronts and of course timber matching center and surrounds❓😮🤔🤔
@jsil36Ай бұрын
Thanks for the review. I'm looking at the TX-RZ70 how does it compare to Yamaha A8A in your opinion?
@greenhill26Ай бұрын
I have the same question, Gene!
@jsil36Ай бұрын
Yamaha A8A and A6A on sell at BB for 24hrs only starting today.
@greenhill26Ай бұрын
@@jsil36 Also this RZ70 is on sale for $1999 at Crutchfield for 2 days!! that's why we need an answer :)
@jsil36Ай бұрын
I went ahead and got the Yamaha A8A. Wanted to try something different this time.
@nickzigrang2664Ай бұрын
I've been waiting for a straight up comparison to the Integra 8.4. This may be as close as it gets. Do you think there's any performance differences between the two that the average person will notice?
@billywilliamsАй бұрын
Thanks for the review I have the NR7100 and I was wondering if this does that same random click every so often. I don't know when it does it just like it's changing something internally? Thanks!
@madcrabber1113Ай бұрын
What is the warranty? Anyone dealt with Onkyo warranties recently? Since it was your idea for preamp disconnect, were you compensated? If not you should be. Which brands now offer that in which models?
@LEMON48Ай бұрын
When bench test of Denon A1H ????????
@patrickroza3073Ай бұрын
How does it work if you have louder content on LCR, can it push more watt to those channels when 7 are driven? Do the same rules apply to other channels? Basically can 1 or more channels (the rest not as active) exceed the measured per channel limit with 7 channels driven
@williampalmer4427Ай бұрын
So, Gene, if I add an EMotiva BasX A3 3-channel power amplifier (140 watts RMS per channel; all channels driven) connected to the TX-RZ70's left/right/center preamp outputs, can I blow down the walls of my 7.2.4 home theater? Thanks, Bill 😁
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
@@williampalmer4427 I wouldn't use BasX to supplement this AVR. Use the internal amps in that case.
@marconista5390Ай бұрын
Gday sir Gene, thanks for the rz70 review, for 2 ch stereo music listening this one or the Yamaha a8a?
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
yes!
@marconista5390Ай бұрын
@@Audioholicsthank you sir
@franclemontАй бұрын
Wondering did you ever do this test with the rz50? If so I’m interested in checking it out!
@perrysmiles60Ай бұрын
Please Gene!... test the RZ50 in the same way 🙂
@brewt1merАй бұрын
I’ve owned loads of amps and the two onkyo amps I’ve had have been very unreliable due to overheating..one which I sold to a friend actually caught fire..not good at all.
@FrankGiovaniАй бұрын
Thanks for reviewing this monster. I wonder if it is worth $1200 more than the RZ50. Per my understanding, the RZ70 has two separate sub out while 50 has two sub out in parallel. What do you think?
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
@@FrankGiovani yes, it's worth it if you're running 4 ohm speakers and also need 2 independent sub outs.
@FrankGiovaniАй бұрын
@@Audioholics Understood and thanks for your feedback! Is there any advantage of two independent sub out if both sub are in the same room, on the left and right of the front speakers?
@vermiderer14 күн бұрын
Any inside info regarding Dirac ART release for Onkyo RZ70 ?
@GeneralKenobi69420Ай бұрын
What cheaper options are there for people who want similar sound quality but do not need so many speaker channels or features?
@codychavarria6088Ай бұрын
How does it compare to the sony which I heard has great spatule
@gregorygoldbarth7464Ай бұрын
wonderful review! I can't make up my mind between the Sony STR-AZ7000ES or the Onkyo! HELP.
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
@@gregorygoldbarth7464 Onkyo!
@gregorygoldbarth7464Ай бұрын
@@Audioholics thank you Gene!
@casperjensen1769Ай бұрын
yamaha can learn a lot
@Nikita-PАй бұрын
Gene besides power - how would RZ70 compare to something like MRX1140 you have - sound quality and Atmos channel separation wise? I’m gonna build and office system and wondering if I should get RZ70 and move MRX1140 4K to the office instead. I’m interested in dabbling with Dirac and adding Direct Bass Management, would it do better than ARC with Phase Alignment in 7.2.4 system?
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
I haven't directly compared them. I love the MRX1140 as I own one for my bedroom system. ARC Phase Alignment and the whole calibration process is the easiest of all the room correction systems and does the least harm. The other room corrections like Audyssey and Dirac are more powerful and configurable tools but it requires more effort to get great sound. The amp section in the Onkyo is superior to the Anthem. It's not even close. If you're planning on only using the internal amps and you have low impedance speakers or like to play at high SPL, than the Onkyo is your choice. If you plan on preouting the AVR, then get an AVM70 instead with a few multi-ch amps.
@Nikita-PАй бұрын
@@Audioholics be curious if you consider one better sound quality then another. And you are upgrading or it’s not an upgrade to MRX1140. I’m a tweaker and probably a half a dozen measurements due to changes and dozen profile tuning options. I do use virtual inputs for Nite mode but that’s something I assume I can toggle in the Onkyo app
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
@Nikita-P my bedroom system doesn't require more power and I prefer to keep the Anthem in there for simplicity since ARC is so easy to calibrate and it works for that system.
@oldDH72Ай бұрын
Where in the setup menu is the Pre amp disconnect mode ?
@jf86459Ай бұрын
If you were driving 9 channels, would it be better to leave that extra headroom, or bi-amp the L/R and use all 11?
@jf86459Ай бұрын
Anyone have any general thoughts/preference for leaving extra headroom or bi-amping?
@TrueStereo-Ай бұрын
Do you have any jitter tests? The Z50 seemed to have jitter issues as found by Audio Science Review.
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
@@TrueStereo- the DAC tested just fine on my bench tests. Jitter tests weren't needed.
@isak6626Ай бұрын
I have a 7.2.6 Atmos setup. 7 speakers are rated at 4 Ohm (bed layer), and 6 speakers are rated at 6 Ohm (height speakers). These are powered by a Denon X4500H, with external amps for the LCR (because I have to in order to use all channels of processing). I have never experienced any issues whatsoever, and so I was curious about your statement about it not being advisable / realistic to run 4 Ohm speakers of an AVR. Do we have any evidence to suggests that an AVR can't handle 11 (or more) 4 Ohm speakers in a real world scenario where Atmos content is being played back? I would guess that real Atmos content actually very rarely (if ever) demand that all speakers get such amounts of power that an AVR can't handle it. Or? If you do think an AVR needs external amplification, under what circumstances, and how do we tell? I have been contemplating adding more external amplification, but I have yet to see any evidence that it will make a difference.
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
I was very clear about the impedance switch setting. I never suggested you can't drive 4 ohm speakers with this AVR.
@isak6626Ай бұрын
@@Audioholics Yes you were. With regards to my question on the need for external amplification, what's your take? How do we know if it's needed or not? Is there a reasonably goood way to estimate the power need of your setup?
@demonreturns4336Ай бұрын
Since when does the denon 4500 able to process that many speakers at once 🤔
@isak6626Ай бұрын
@@demonreturns4336 since it's launch. It has 9 channels of amplification, but you can do 11 channels in total (e.g. 7.2.4) if you add two channels of external amplification. I.e. it has 11 channels of precessing, and the two subwoofer outputs are independent.
@aegisofhonorАй бұрын
the UL or FTC compliance board needs to review their standards and somehow allow these amplifiers to properly pass UL and/or FTC compliance without the need of these impedance switches. Not sure if they will ever do that or if it's even necessary, but it's all due to very specific guidelines in the UL and/or FTC standard that have no effect on the real world electrical safety but are there anyway that forces companies to put these stupid switches on their amplifiers and receivers anyway.
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
Agreed!
@stevet7487Ай бұрын
Integra is Onkyo. Integra is to Onkyo as Lexus is to Toyota.
@ITWINGMANАй бұрын
If I Leave the Impedance Selector Switch to 6 Ohms or above and I have 4 Ohms speakers, does the receiver see that 4 Ohm load and applies the power according to the load on the receiver, in this case it would be 2 Dynamic Power 370 watts 4-ohms 1% 2 Dynamic Power 213 watts 8-ohms 1% 2 Dynamic Power 370 watts 4-ohms 1%
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
@@ITWINGMAN the receiver will deliver the power I showed in the default impedance oosition.
@ITWINGMANАй бұрын
@@Audioholics You are the man your Knowledge and Testing is King, I call Crutchfield and Onkyo and told them about the not changing the default Impedance switch and that I have Polk L600 and L800 towers and they said I could damage my speakers and I then told them this so they can better help inform the consumer I had my Impedance switch set to 4 Ohms how sad to do that to the consumer then walked Onkyo out the the review site and showed them Editorial Note: Impedance Selector Switch - No matter how tempted you may be to do so, we DO NOT recommend changing the default "6 ohm min" impedance setting of ANY AV receiver, especially this unit. All this does is starve your speakers of power, simply so the manufacturer can get 4-ohm certification (at a reduced power level) without making the receiver get too hot during their power tests. We have tested this 'feature' on virtually every receiver that has offered it in the past, and the results were always the same: the low impedance setting significantly robs your speakers of power..
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
@@ITWINGMAN Sadly, your dealing with unknowledgeable people from both companies. You will definitely cause more damage to your speakers by constantly clipping your amp in the low impedance mode.
@ITWINGMANАй бұрын
@@AudioholicsThe RZ70 allows you to BI-AMP the Left-Center-Right Speakers which I did on my Polk L800, so please tell me the power now for each speaker.
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
@@ITWINGMAN easily rated power w 4ch driven. Look at my measurements for 5ch.
@dragonstone659427 күн бұрын
Why does it have to be so ugly though? smh Great review.
@chrishamilton5960Ай бұрын
I think this is on sale for 500 off.
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
bit.ly/3VUg2yC
@roco9504Ай бұрын
Can the rz90 please be class D 😭 I want a single AVR that’s a beast like this but cool & efficient that won’t be a space heater..
@menash41Ай бұрын
What is the rca preout voltage?
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
@@menash41 it's all in the report online and video.
@menash41Ай бұрын
@@Audioholics Onkyo TX-RZ70 Preamplifier Measurements The TX-RZ70 preouts are able to deliver about 4Vrms unclipped from the multi-ch preamp outputs which is more than 2X voltage drive needed to make most external amplifiers reach full unclipped power. Cool 👍 4v wow!
@arthurtaso8055Ай бұрын
Wouldn't it be AWESOME if this Onkyo was the first of the mark to give at least 7 channels of 150W full rated power rms 20hz 20kHw and 140W for the remaining 4 channels that would be the Best bench testing Reciever wouldn't that be Something ❤
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
It's nice what the unit already does for under $2800. Nothing else comes close. 1600 watts output power is very close to 15A outlet capability.
@arthurtaso8055Ай бұрын
Gene it's a great product for the money but l'd like it if you could push manufacturer to gone down the path of full rated power rms 20hz 20kHw at least 7 channels 150W minimum & for the effect 130W that would be the BEST BENCHING RECIEVER EVER period something we haven't yet seen from any manufacturer yet .
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
@@arthurtaso8055 Onkyo is losing money with this AVR to gain marketshare. You're never going to get an AVR at this price that is more powerful. If you want something more powerful, you're going to have to step up to a Denon A1H which is significantly more money. I am very pleased with what Onkyo offers in this AVR and I would never ask them to make it more powerful without increasing the price.
@arthurtaso8055Ай бұрын
Gene even the A1h doesn't do full rated power rms 20hz 20kHw with more than 2 channels just saying it would be AWESOME to see a reciever do that who will be the first manufacturer not like the the past greats .
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
@@arthurtaso8055 the A1h will do 70% of 2ch rating with 9CH driven. There is no other AVR more powerful than that currently on the market.
@bently1984Ай бұрын
So Amazon has the Yamaha RX A8A and the Onkyo RZ70@2300 bucks which one's the better by
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
Can't answer that if you buy from Amazon.
@bently1984Ай бұрын
Wow
@robertmedina319524 күн бұрын
The Integra has to be one of the ugliest AVRS of all times. Looks like its from the early 90s.
@maheeinfy13Ай бұрын
I just got a sr8015. Now Onkyo seems better. Which one do I pick I so confuse
@stevet7487Ай бұрын
I was tempted to jump on the 8015 price cut as well, but saw a review on a different, a thorough test bench analytical channel, and they put the quality of the 8015 in the thin sounding category, and the Onkyo in the Rz50 in a higher sound quality category. It gave me enough doubt that I decided to wait despite the excellent deal offered on the 8015.
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
@@stevet7487 The SR8015 is a great AVR and definitely not "thin sounding" unless the user did a bad calibration.
@TechToTunesАй бұрын
When I had to throw away a fabulous Onkyo receiver as they ran out of HDMI chips that were destroying every single one of many of their range at the time, they lost me as a customer. $2.5k receiver in the bin because of one chip they couldn't supply.
@rogerdjsАй бұрын
After three failed Onkyo receivers in six years I will never purchase a Onkyo product again. All High end Onkyo receivers and all failed due to HDMI failure. Two of the three HDMI cards were replaced under warranty and they failed within a year soon after the warranty replacement. Onkyo products are not reliable, don't believe the commercial hype.
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
These are completely redesigned platforms. Look at the heatsinks on the HDMI boards. Much different.
@tonyt.5771Ай бұрын
No need for hdmi, i don't use them.
@rogerdjsАй бұрын
@Audioholics still don't trust them as the third time is a charm. Gave more chances than I normally would because of their past Amplifiers that I currently own. We will see how long these last as only time will tell...
@stevet7487Ай бұрын
@@tonyt.5771I don't either. But when that chip failed, it also cut the sound regardless of connection.
@stevet7487Ай бұрын
@@rogerdjsI had the same problem with my flagship 5009. The soder heated up and the chip became unseated. No sound. I had less than a 1000 hours on my unit and Onkyo had already gone bankrupt. I was very disappointed because I loved the sound of that unit and I've owned many Onkyo products, and still do, from 1990 on. But this is a different company that owns it now and they have addressed those issues with larger heat syncs, and heat syncs with fans for the chips. There are reviewers online still touting their 3 yr. old RZ 50's. I understand your concern, but this is tempting. Plus, it seems like every new AVR or processor that comes out seems to have some issues that have cropped up. It really makes purchasing an expensive unit difficult to be sure of.
@tonyt.5771Ай бұрын
$2800 US is a joke, wish i was American.
@tommyK7282Ай бұрын
The pioneer has more power I put $100 on it.
@vivid_skАй бұрын
Nope, share same power supply, (see 1190W on rear power rating, for both, EU, 230V models)
@stevet7487Ай бұрын
He explained why they probably under rated the Onkyo in the review.
@mauriciob8260Ай бұрын
😮💨this hobby will make us go bankrupt
@rianredfield5252Ай бұрын
Whata way to go! Ears content and smiles on the face
@dastiffmeistermanАй бұрын
My problem with a receiver that costs 3000 is you can buy a second hand atmos processor and multi channel amp from Rotel or someone similar for the same or less money.
@dastiffmeistermanАй бұрын
@@vivid_sk my arcam processor has Dirac and was £1000 with a THX Rotel 5 channel amp it came to £1500 half the price of the Onkyo and sounds miles better
@AudioholicsАй бұрын
@dastiffmeisterman my problem with buying a new car is you can buy a second-hand one for less money...... dumb argument. Just wait a year and buy the Onkyo 2nd hand if that's the type of buyer you are.
@dastiffmeistermanАй бұрын
@@Audioholics I'm just saying AV receivers these days are way over priced. The Denon 4000 range for example used to be around £800 now they charge double. £3000 IMO is too much for this should be around £2000 mark. I'm surprised anyone would pay that considering what you can get on the 2nd hand market.
@vivid_skАй бұрын
@@dastiffmeisterman Compare Apples with Apples, 5ch amp is NOT an 11ch amp. And Gene reacted correctly, to 2nd hand market. Everything you can buy, from 2nd hand and it's not comparable with "new" prices.
@dastiffmeistermanАй бұрын
@@vivid_sk Fair comment. Would be interesting to see how this compares to a Processor/Power amp set up, in terms of real world listening comparison.
@danab7472Ай бұрын
But is it reliable? Lots of Onkyo horror stories out there…
@rianredfield5252Ай бұрын
Still putting my A4L refurbed Onkyo txnr737 to the test after many years and continues to make a grin with its wonderful sound. Aside from running warmer than most, I feel I picked a winner at the time. Thanks for your quality reviews.
@franciswong311Ай бұрын
Does it support Dolby Atmos Music and 360 Reality Audio like the denon? Thanks