He knew they were valauble allies but he personally hated them because they were basically Goauld with a different name. Heck even for good guys they were a bit callous plus that whole thing with one healing Jack and then basically handing him to Baal for days of torture and interrogation after a botched rescue attempt didn't help either.

Was coming to post something similar. Also, when Carter pulls out the grenade, the guards /pull out their weapons and take aim/, like "Lady, you're not impressing anyone here."

If I remember right they had someone (either retired or active military) consulting on everything military related so they could get everything as accurate as possible.

They're referred to as "SF's," so you're right but it's the air force's equivalent.

@@BrennaUrbangirl Sort of. They had military advisors but the US military (this is an open deal for movies/TV) was allowed to revise the script and change things in exchange for funding via a liaison officer. So, yes, they provided stuff like this, but also were allowed to do things to put the Air Force in the spotlight. A couple of episodes are basically USAF recruitment videos, when you get down to it.

It's the Air Force Security who responded to the scene

That's usually how I RP my characters in a Bioware game, like Mass Effect or especially Dragon Age 2.

@Tony Samson You still get baths with your Dad, you seem the type.

Well the guy almost always acts like an idiot, but is far from one. Once he starts taking a situation seriously, you know the situation needs it. Unless it implies Balls, erm, Ba'al.

Always be wary of those who act stupid in an exaggerated manner because it's either an act to lure you into a false sense of security or it's a defense mechanism to cover for trauma. In Jack's case, it's both.

@@pieceofschmidtgamer this is true, thanks for the insight.

Yeah, that's the modern lady for you bud.

I'm sorry that she's now your ex. Sounds like a fun chick.

Probably a good thing she’s now your ex

Yes but did she look that good while she was doing it?

But, did she pull the pin?

That will forever make me laugh. I know he’s surprised, but they needed a different line there.

Ya have to be if ya want to take her alive.

Too bad you can't put the pin back ina live grenade, pulling the pin releases the primer letting go of the spoon lets the hammer drop 🤷‍♂️

@@forthewubwubs Depends on the grenade, repining a grenade is a specialist armourers job though

@@tomasdawe4423 I would ask if they had a closet they weren't particularly fond of.

Well, I mean, not all that casual. Just not panicked. He did very quickly move to keep Sam's hands together.

What else are we supposed to do? In the past week I've watched over half of stargate Atlantis...........

you and me both buddy

I was just thinking that very same thing. As a matter of fact, I use to have the collectors edition all 10 seasons box set. I wonder what did with it. Time to go find out.

Indeed

Remind me, but doesn't the atlantis group see a t-rex in one of the episodes offscreen?😂

@@ther.w.d.channel1501 yes they do

So poison then?

Hindsight is 20/20, I believe Jolinar's plan was to go through the gate and find a new host. They would most likely not have believed them if she told them she was a Tok'ra. I think Sam may have been partly responsible for the fainting.

In fairness, whether the Tok'ra knew of the Tau'ri by that point, they'd have known that the Tau'ri would see them as just another Goa'uld. Jolinar had no idea whether she could trust anyone, but did know that if her presence was known, the assassin character from later in the episode would have hunted her/Carter down anyway. Like Chris said, Jolinar would have likely waited until they were in another inhabited place and then just switched hosts after knocking out (or at least, getting away from) the rest of the team.

She could and should have

@@Jan_Koopman If Cassandra had not sensed the presence of the Goa'uld symbiote, her plan would have worked however they would not have been the additional episodes pertaining to Jolinar or the Tok'ra

@Dj Cuevas, the writers could have handled this situation a whole lot better.

The tok'ra are pretty arrogant.

Tindreal This was before the Tok'ra were established as exclusively sharing the body with the host.

Aubrey Ellen Shomo The Tok'ra are more often Neutral than Benevolent. They're Still trying to overcome Millennia of Genetic programming.

Yeah. MAke no mistake the Tok'ra are AGAINST the Go'auld. and they will use anyone to get to that task. That dosnt make them the good guys.

ah it was shown later on that a tokra could take over the host like with O'neil being taken over to save the girlfriend of the prior host.

Because that was after Teal'c had communed to gain control over his body again after his snake matured

sams ability is because of what happened in this episode

@@katelights Thank you Captain Obvious

@@plonkersbro Awesome plonker.

Casually puts pin back in grenade

The good times

Why spend 4 hours trying to re-pin them, why not just find and safe place to explode them?

David Henderson Probably have to pay for them out their wages!

@@ianmoseley9910 I would turn them into the accounting deportment and let them deal them deal with the problem.

@Evi1M4chine This sounds he was an Irish trooper with the UN in Lebanon. Calm down...

How about a magic trick?

​@@Dzejk86 I'm going to make this pencil dissappear!!

@@davidchism6081 Ta-Da! It's... Magical.

@@Dzejk86 it's-its gone!!

Genade take 3 second. There plenty of time to run.

@@protennis365 I've handled real grenades. 3 seconds is not as long as you think it is.

@@mightyzekken What is the saying? "A five-second fuse lasts three seconds?" Something like that?

But there was no way for them to know. They could only make decisions based on the information they had, not based on the Information they would eventually have.

Jolinaar may have been captured eventually

Not to mention it would have sparked the alliance a lot earlier.

​@@christopherg2347 plus, Sam couldn't return even with the correct code. Compromise plus possible invasion through the Stargate.

​@@christopherg2347 and the Iris.

If I recall, it was Mitchell who was specifically commenting on this matter. I don't think he had met a Goa'uld prior to Nerus.

Wow that is not a commonly known fact in TV land.

@@Scottlp2 something else they dont tell you is "pumping" the grenade (counting before thowing so so the enemy doesnt have time to throw it back or take cover) is very dangerous , as you arent guarenteed those 3-5 seconds of fuse. In training i saw a short fuse and the cap went off mid air. Thats why they train you to duck the moment it leaves your hand. I have "used" real grenades so its more experience and practicle knowledge. If a regular civilian, even one that has read a real manual for how they actually work were to encounter some and treat them as really cool fireworks with no practicle training but only acedemic, it will be a very bad day for whoever has to clean it up. The worste part is that you can survive a grenade going off in your hand, but you dont want to.

Not at all how they work. The "Handle" is called the spoon, and it keeps a spring-loaded "hammer" from striking a primer in the top, under the spoon. The hammer spring pushes the spoon away and lets the hammer swing around and hit the primer. Even if you put the spoon and pin back in after the primer is struck is pointless., there's no way to jam something in to disarm it. The internal 3-5 second fuse is lit when the hammer strikes the primer. There is no squeezing anything, except holding the spoon to keep the hammer from pushing it away and going on to hit the primer.

​@@nunyabisnass1141 I'd love to have some practice grenades and fuses to play with.

@@JFrazer4303 he might be talking about a different model from the type we use in the states so i have nothing to offer on his take. I guess it could be kinda fun to drop them down a mine shaft. If i knew how much they weighed i coukd probably find a formula that says how far it can fall before detonating. Id like to drop it in water bfut it would probanly only get a few tens of feet before going off which can still be quite dangerous. I think there was a curswd comments reddit post where a guy was describing how his dad came across a grenade somwhow, so he took him to a canyon and threw it over a cliff, and he described it as one of his best childhood memories of the 4th of july. The comment under it descibed that year as his worst because his dad suddenly evaporsted in front of him while hiking. So ill just stick to mres and bottle rockets, not much risk there.

to be fair idk if they had an idea of where to go until they properly introduced them.

would have worked if Cassandra didn't sense her

Didn't you watch the show? Symbiote did stay dormant until it was obvious.

Walter *uses handprint to close iris* Dalek: "Well fuck." (I know this is before they introduced the handprint scanner for the iris)

I can’t believe two years later, you still have daleks as you’re pic lol That’s dedication

@@michaelesposito2629 Cos Doctor Who is- well, WAS - an awesome TV show.

They kinda do since the previous scenes to this had Sam acting Gou'ald like to Cassandra (voice+glowy eyes) and Cassandra told Jack about it.

Yeah, but if they're wrong, what's the worst that can happen? It's not like Sam will be really hurt if they are.

@@gerbillover3186 If it werent for the symbiote, she'd've died

Then it was worn from playing. The only thing the pin does is hold the spoon in place.

They did not know of Ba'al at this point.

"Does anybody remember Apophis' home address? Got a little gift for him."

@@233Deadman Yes. It is Chu'ak

Karetr is a master of hand-to-hand combat and martial arts. In season 1, she beat the Mongol Khan, and at the beginning of season 7, she easily defeated a Jaffa warrior with a couple of kicks.

@@polfreeman5002 someone been working out. That for sure.

@@polfreeman5002 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j9Kghq6rqa-XpmQ.html

What every 3 year old is like.

I think it is season 2 episode 2 - In the Line of Duty. www.imdb.com/title/tt0709107/

Pretty sure Frazier was exaggerating but it still most likely was way more sedative than what was needed because of the symbiote

I don't know much about grenades either, but I think they generally don't go on their timer until the clamp is released. The pin is just holding the clamp in place. After pulling the pin, she is still holding the clamp. She could put the pin back in and there should be no worries. I don't know if this is how it works in reality, but that is how it appears to work from what I've seen on TV.

I've thrown two live hand grenades when doing my service, and yes, the grenade will not go off until the clamp is released (which releases the hammer). Once the hammer has struck the detonation sequence will begin, and there is no stopping it. As long as the clamp is in place it is possible to put the pin back in.

I always just thought it was an impact grenade

in games yes.

Until ya let go of the clamp nothing will happen

Because not everyone is as idealistically open-minded. Prejudice runs deep in us as a species.

@@patrickschulz2193 Of course but he was in a sensitive position. To start off they stole the stargate and kept it a secret from the rest of humanity. And every action they took was affecting the whole human race.. I don't like how they made O'Neill to be so arrogant and ignorant in this show

Ignorant? Every Goa'uld they met was an ahole. Why would Jack trust them? Especially with the life of his good friend Sam Carter.

@@LordTalax Simply because he has the lives of all inhabitants of Earth depending on every decision he makes. It's not about this hat he thinks or likes Furthermore being an asshole is something they share with most humans tbh. Like the goauld are evil? Sure, so are people. They're just doing what they have to do to survive and maintain their dominance. Nothing different than what people do

They made the decision for Jolinar to threaten the kid and then get unreasonable in this scene. If Jolinar had Sam's memories and then seeing how the Tau'Ri are, she should have surrendered and told them everything right away. They might have beaten the Ashrak and gotten her back to the Tok'Ra and then gotten Sam back, no sweat. Instead they teased with it being a system lord parasite and made all thie drama like this scene, as Jolinar screws up to badly it kills her.

The pin is there to hold a lever in place once the pin is removed it won't go off until the lever is also ejected. This is done by a spring so that it automatically detaches once thrown. As she was still holding the lever down it couldn't eject sort of acting as a deadman's switch because if she dies then she drops it and the lever will fly off and detonate the grenade. Once she had been incapacitated O'Neill was able to hold onto the grenade and replace the pin hence making it safe again.

The grenade will only begin detonation after the safety lever is released, until then it's safe even with the pin removed.

Found someone who's knowledge of grenades comes only from video games!

all kindsa wrong there sparky.

In WW2 the safety spoon had to come loose. It didn't this time because it was held in place.