cameron was just the producer. And who wouldnt want some more cash on a franchise they created. The fault is the writers

@@ratulhasan165 well, producer has full responsability and decision power

James Cameron absolutely did not sign off on this. It made his first two films not only pointless, but undercut them and made them worthless.

Couldn't save him from woke ideology

@@Bobby.2000 isn’t that a fact.

Must be so frustrating to work on something like this with such terrible direction and writing

@@Jurassicparkatmospheres meh. as long as the pay is good, they'll do anything. (not hating on them, just a fact of life) besides, its always cool to show off your name in the end credits to others.

Lies again? RU DEAF BLIND

Should’ve asked everyone involved the second question

Looks like The Adventures of Tintin from 2011

I said that for years after Genesys in 2015 was made fun of and told to be quiet. This movie hits and all of the sudden I’m getting apologies left and right 🤦‍♂️

Terminator 3 is the only Terminator movie (after the second one) which had enough critical and box succes to justify a sequel, Salvation, Genesys and Dark Fate failed in that.

@Crypto Arnold looks great compared to the last 3

@Crypto Arnold 20 years???? What was it like in horse and carriage times?

People have rose-tinted memories of T3. It was - and still is - the weakest of the franchise. Unlike Salvation, it tries nothing new. The action sequences in both Genysis and Dark Fate are both surely better than in ROTM? All the sequels made plot mistakes but to say that ANYTHING makes T3 look like a masterpiece is going a bit far!

Well said 😂

Two shots technically

The Second one was to make sure

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Wish he caught him after T2 and then that was it lol

It's a shame that the two previous films were about saving John and in this one which is a direct sequel to T2 it is no longer important to save John

He destroyed it so that no one could ever reach the success he had with the terminator franchise

Yeah I think he sabotaged Dark Fate in order to preserve the reputation of T1 and T2. With each subsequent sequel, the Terminator franchise was becoming an absolute laughing stock.

This is why people shouldn't blame TIM MILLER He was the director, not the writer #SecondChance4TimMiller

@@Zombiesnyder13 he's a leftist feminist who said if you're not a fan of this movie you're a misogynist.

Hahaha it’s ironic how Salvation became the cinematic equivalent of a “John Connor” amongst now all the T films to come

Even 3 ain't bad compared to today's standards

Salvation has always been a joy to watch. Sure it's no T1 or T2, but for what it offered it was always enjoyable. Minus the cgi Arnold......

Salvation is actually great, you can consider it to be the tale on how the apocalyptic future was without so many plot holes like the rest or the terminator movies after judgment day had.

Thought Salvation was good.. I saw it when it came out, and didn't really understand the hate for it!

@CarthFan2005 I think that the upcoming terminator game should let us play on both sides of the war . There should be two campaigns , one for the resistance and one for skynet , terminator resistance was awesome and probably the best terminator game so far , I would like for the next game , we play as Kyle or John ,for the human campaign . For the skynet campaign , we’ve already played as the T800 , so the next step would be to let us play as the T1000 , just my opinion , let me know your thoughts .

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2 IS the bad sequel lil bro 😂

@@sirchris6047 really, it is literally same kind of sequel that 3, 4, 5 and 6 were (and tv show). Completely ruining original self contained story and the Why just in order to make any ground for its story.

@@sirchris6047are you joking?

#SecondChance4TimMiller

Wow

@@Zombiesnyder13 from a dream

Me too

Who's dat

Too bad it killed the series along with John but yea

Basically when protagonists lose their plot armor, tho I can get the frustration from the old fans

@@TheTber123 According to most fans it was already dead. 😅

It is much more efficient when they throw people around though

He’s just waking away not much of an escape 😂

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Do drapes

Well deserved

@@Chickenworm9394 ??? Profit

New Objective: Get a Mojito

John Connor kid was the most annoying little shit in the media until people remember they need to be boomers and bitch about new movies. Now he is some sort of national treasure, apparently.

It's not the same thing. They could have done more to hicks and newt, so to kill them off, and so unceremoniously, is understandable why James and many others were upset. Killing John,however, wasn't a bad idea though. First, it's not like this is the first time it happened. John died in the films before. In 3 and Genisys. Secondly, there was nothing else that could be done with John's character. We saw him accept his destiny (3), meet and save his father(salvation), and become the villain(Genisys). What else could they do with his character? This was a bold choice and made this a much fresher entry as a result.

@@NeoConnor1 You make some good points but I go back to “it’s not what the audience wanted to see” and the box office receipts back that up. For me the series ended after T2 anyway.

@@Narrate918 cameron didnt write this or direct. He just produced the movie

@@jundean5292 He received a story credit and Tim Miller has said on multiple occasions that Cameron was heavily involved in the writing process.

Is this the moment Hitler freaks out now when Steiner says it actually is cannon? 😂

its in the movie fuqbot

​@@monkadelic13hes being sarcastic shit for brains

​@@monkadelic13 In what? I have seen both terminator movies and this scene was not into them

@Crystal Sapien Same with Terminator Salvation

Well dark fate did do an "hasta la vista" to the future sequels.

No. I play Resistance first, then watch The Terminator, then Terminator 2: Judgment Day and finally Terminator: Dark Fate.

The people that say only watch the first two and ignore the rest always come across as pathetic man children.

A man of supreme intelligence.

This is best CGI mo-cap scene I have ever seen, especially revisiting a younger form of the characters/actors. I am beyond impressed. I also really liked that they kept continuity by also featuring a scar on her upper left shoulder from her injury in T2.

The first and last good shot of this trainwreck aka tim Miller's disaster-piece

#SecondChance4TimMiller

It doesn't look that real in my opinion. CGI is still pretty noticeable, but compared to the CGI of Arnie from Terminator Salvation it's vast improvement.

Me to. Obviously Linda doesn't look like that no more

You can tell who this film is marketed towards: the movie starts in Guatemala, the female terminator arrives in Mexico City, the girl that they're protecting is Latina and on top of all of that the villain Terminator is also Latinx 😂

@@uuuultra - They did have Sarah's weapons base down in Mexico. And they've been in both California & Texas ... so, across the border makes some sense. But anyway, I liked the change.

Girlpower bruh, duh

@@clydefrog203 John Connor looks the same age in 1998 as he did in the 1991 Terminator 2, so this scene where John is killed makes absolutely no sense, not even in an alternate timeline. There's no Girlpower if the movie has no logic..

@truelove11.11 lol well yes its stupid, but they needed John out of the way to make that teen girl the "savior" and of course that butch girl to play the Kyle Reese type character

You can tell who this film is marketed towards: the movie starts in Guatemala, the female terminator arrives in Mexico City, the girl that they're protecting is Latina and on top of all of that the villain Terminator is also Latinx 😂

​@@truelove11.11T2 was set in 1995. So it could've been late '95. If this is early '98 that's only about 2 years difference and I think he does look a little older here.

HAHAHA yepp

More like terminated the franchise

All the old ones r the exact same movie

At least nobody liked it and there's no sequels.

For 28 years, '90s grunge fringe John was one of the most annoying characters in movie history. Then one scene later: he's a national treasure

This is why terminator 3 and 4 deserve respect after this film and genisys

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@@imcallingjapan2178 puttanata... non è per niente vero

Funny. I love T2. I love this movie. I don't feel offended. At all.

@@NeoConnor1 Exactly, same here. The franchise was already dead in the water, it took guts to do what they did and I’m not mad at them for it. I enjoyed this movie.

Yeh

It was a nice surprise. I hope we get more good Terminator games like Resistance.

Why did you add furlong and then long? It's just Edward Furlong.

Why add Arnold's voice? That looks nothing like him!

John Connor looks the same age in this scene which is supposedly 1998, as he did in the 1991 Terminator 2, so this scene where John is killed makes absolutely no sense, not even in an alternate timeline.

The bodybuilder looks too fake steroid

@@truelove11.11 T2 was in 1995. So the age difference is not too big there. Do take note, John was born in 1985, and in 1998 he is 13 or 14 at most, which is the age of edward furlong when he played John in T2. Technically the problem should be in T2, Edward did look abit too old for 10 years old.

I'm glad I didn't see it back then, if I did then I would've been pissed

It's easier with blanks. Or CGI, which after the "Rust" incident, will become the norm.

True....I always thought Cameron missed an opportunity in T1 in a similar manner. When the Terminator unloads his gun into Sarah's roommate and the first Sarah Connor, his eyes close when he fires the gun. That's a human neurological response to the loud noise. It would have been cool, and created a feeling with the audience that "something is odd, here" if he fired without blinking. At the time of those two shootings, the audience still didn't know for sure he was a robot.

@@DarthTrader707 well he made sure patrick had those little details in t2. i remember an interview about how pat the T1000 hardly blinked if ever even when firing a gun

@@sigma80Well, yeah, blanks are how they did it in real life with the stunt guy (even a bodybuilder himself). But in story that’s a real shotgun round, and the T-800/Carl is a walking tank.

Full credit to the magnificent Robert Patrick for that one, was his idea to train himself so that he didn't blink whilst firing, and his running speed whilst chasing that dirt bike :O One of the best villains ever. @@banderas2000

Just that scene took months to look as good as it did a whole movie would take years lol

@@clarkkent6249 avatar 2 took years. So why not?

Если бы Джеймс Кэмерон захотел, он бы сделал это, и эта часть однозначно стала бы легендарной как и первые две. Просто Джеймс Кэмерон не был в этом заинтересован.

​Clark Kent tech will get do much better and very soon I think. Eventually we may get to legit see films made using completely digital faces/likenesses in order to revisit old franchises and create another story set in a certain time. So a sequel to T2 with all that cast likenesses and perhaps a bit older but still recognisable to that film. There will still be need to cast new actors to be the body doubles in production so still plenty of work.

No they didn’t.

@@Spacemutinyhow do you know ? Did you go to every movie theatre? 😂🤦‍♂️

@@CoolMikey81 because people don’t generally leave a movie in the first ten minutes after they’ve paid. I call BS

@@Spacemutiny I am with you on this one. I call complete B.S.

I said on another T:DF video of this scene once how at the very least, I genuinely feel that Sarah and John's roles in the movie should have been reversed. My idea basically went: -Sarah dies protecting John. COMPLETELY makes sense and in character. Throw in that Sarah, ironically if not albeit years too late to make a difference, is killed by an Arnold Terminator. -They could have taken a playbook page from T3. In the years since witnessing Sarah's death while protecting him, John has since become a drifter, constantly traveling and never staying in any one place for long (wrongly after a point) believing Skynet and the Terminator were still after him. All the while he's living maybe a form of PTSD from what happened to Sarah and living in a world he has no real place in and that currently has no need for him in a present where Judgment Day should have happened years ago, but hasn't. -Maybe John could have ended up working in the factory with Danni when the Rev-9 attacks where, much to his shock, the Rev-9 completely ignores him in favor of Danni. After helping out in the ensuing battle, there he finds out the (new) reality--he REALLY has no place in the world as "his" war against the Machines has been won--Skynet never exists, but a similar struggle still happens only this time the future has absolutely no idea who he is. He's officially no longer the one set to lead humanity against the Machines. His whole life has been prepped for something that (for him) no longer happens. He's an anchorless ship. -However, he then finds a new place: not only protecting Danni, but helping her learn and adjust to the role he once "had". His new place could have been not only helping to protect Danni, but teaching her everything he knows that could help her in her future fight. This could have been yet another "has come full circle" thing for the movie like Sarah. John has basically become Sarah, Kyle Reese, and the T2 terminator rolled in one--a protector who knows about (to some degree) the future and what's to come and can teach Danni to prepare her. Plus? It becomes a sort of a "passing the torch" thing. Another nice little touch. But no. We get a crappy "John dies in the first two minutes lol" move. My point is though, I completely agree with you. Despite what I saw someone say on another video, there was so much (better) they could have done for the character.

I'm amazed that Arnie and Linda, the two original and iconic stars signed up for such a steaming mound of cow pat as this.

@@DeltaKnight i hate how every random person on youtube can conjure up an idea way better than people who got paid to do that

#SecondChance4TimMiller

But it doesn't look anything like Arnie. Body shape and face is totally wrong. I thought it was a different actor until I heard it's supposed to be Arnie deepfaked.

Actually the Skynet sending back the T-800 caused John Connor to be born. So "Closing the Time Loop" in T2 was the correct result. By getting rid of Cyberdyne, it fixed the time paradox, with John as the only leftover from it. One more person among billions probably won't make much change in time.

Indeed, if anything the only movie after T2 that was actually a good release was salvation, since it simply told the story of how the apocalyptic future of John Connor was before the events of T1 and it was actually a good movie, the rest of the movies are total garbage.

The entire movie is easy mode, toddler mode in fact lol

T1 & T2 were the best. The rest are just cash grab.

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They could still do it too, have it be a prequel to 1 where they get reese to the time machine, could he like saving private ryan but with terminators. Keep everything 80s and no bs new terminators

@@kylesawkon4074 bro its called terminator salvation lol wtf

That’s what salvation was supposed to be. We all know how that went..

@@APcraft747 nah they had some bs hybrid terminator for no reason

@@kylesawkon4074 Yep. Make it a horror film like T1. They're too dumb to ever do it though.

I thought that too

John wasn't an "empowered woman", so that was never going to happen in this woke pile of crap.

@@redoz9768 how is this woke

@@andyspencer4786 if you can't see it, then there's no point in attempting to explain it.

Pretty hard for someone to be alive after two shells from a shotgun at point blank.

very easy... look for a time machine and preach in the year 1991 that terminator 2 will be a great movie success, but people with no sense of cinematic plot will arrive and kill this legendary movie in 3 mins in the year 2019

All the old ones r the exact same movie

Yes

I think in t2 he got the glasses so his eyes wouldn't tear up on the motorcycle.

And then later in Dark Fate, Carl is about to put on a pair of sunglasses before leaving his house to go once more into battle. Then he stops, looks at himself in the mirror for a second, and puts them back down - an assertion of his acquired humanity.

Visually yes a round of applause for the cgi people but like everyone is saying, wtf were they smoking back at the studio

Yeah surprisingly the CGI is good. All of them look exactly like they were in '91

Sadly, not from a narrative one

Yeah this was a head scratcher

Or if Terminator Genesys is alternate plot of 1st sequel of terminator franchise And Terminator Dark Fate is alternate plot of the 2nd sequel of terminator franchise

T3 is an alternate timeline also. It conflicts with the themes and story from the first two movies. Tonally, it’s more of an action comedy.

#SecondChance4TimMiller

I forgot how hot LH was. Did not age well

@@nicholasmuro1742 On the contrary. She aged well, and became a much better actress, she was great in Defiance.

@@tomigun5180 I'm not doubting her acting ability. My comment was about her looks. I've read she's a heavy smoker, which I'm sure had a toll on her looks. Plus the Hollywood party scene. It shows. Her voice was very light in femine, now it's raspy and deeper. Idk what pics you've been looking at, but the ones I've seen she looks like crap. Way older than she is. Btw, that's not her in this scene either. A body double was used and her younger face was cgi'ed onto the double's face. Look at the arms. LH never had arms like that. Even when she was in shape for T2. She was much skinnier. Whatever tho. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

@@nicholasmuro1742 I dunno, Defiance was quite a few years ago, and I haven't seen this movie. She looked good a few years ago. I was aware that in this scene isn't her, and I even know they use Roland Kickinger nowadays as young Arnold.

Not only that, they are supposed to either go into hibernation or seek assistance in self-termination after completing all of their mission parameters. It makes zero sense why Carl became a housewife?!?!?!

Persons related to the main target are only tactical targets for an easier approach.

The advancement of our technology is amazing indeed, and the dumbing down of script writing as well.

the CGI was amazing. They just used it poorly, they killed an incredible chance to carry on T1 and T2. You don't kill off Jon Connor like that, enough said

Interesting viewpoint. The whole idea of John Connor is paradoxical in nature.

I thought salvation was pretty good I probably rank it 3rd out of all the movies judgement day being first and the original being second. If anything Salvation was a good stand alone.

😂 this didn't happen

And then every Terminator in the Skynet base clapped, and the T-850 danced to “Oppa Terminator Style”.

Which raises the question why there wasn't a protector this time. Welp, the movie is bs anyway and doesn't care about plot holes.

Well yeah it's easy to kill your target when you don't have a shotgun slug going through your back just as your about to kill your target.

Sarah and John really thought it was over, because they’d destroyed Skynet. (This scene is set 1 year after Judgment Day was supposed to happen.) They had a false sense of security, not knowing that a Terminator could still be large and still operating on “orders from future that no longer existed.” And that mistake put Sarah on the road to drinking for the next 20-plus years, until she found a new purpose protecting Dani.

He's also stopped ALIEN franchise years ago. By making a teen-friendly action flick out of a horror movie. Fuck that dude.

His people need him

Hell yeah, Salvation was quite epic

Honestly that would've been cool or that another AI rises fighting skynet for control that it leads to nuclear war with humans caught in the middle between 2 evil AI's.

it was a different time the original terminator would probably join a biker club 😂

no,you just missed

@@LynnQwQ You trying to be funny huh? You failed.

Yes it hit the alcohol glass on the bar

​@@lhanzejaredcarpio6037 Look carefully, the third bullet hit Arnold's right cheek, then bounced to the bar, and this causes Arnold's head to tilt slightly to the left.

Completely agree with everything you say here...Truck stop shitter....What a great phrase! 🤣

John Connor looks the same age in this scene which is supposedly in 1998, as he did in the 1991 Terminator 2, so this scene where John is killed makes absolutely no sense, not even in an alternate timeline.

@@truelove11.11Well. I did state that it looked like they were all picked right out of 1991 and that this movie was a truck stop shitter of a travesty so... I agree.

​@@truelove11.11sorry to repeat myself here but, T2 was set in 95, this is 98. So at best it's possible it was about a 2 year passage of time so it's passable that John didn't look much different.

@@haydencooper_ Considering that John was ''conceived'' in T1 which was set in 1984, and he was subsequently born in 1985, he would have been 10 years old in 1995 and 13 years old in 1998. John looks a lot older than 10 years old in T2 or 12/13 in T6. If T2 was set in ''current time'' (as I may remember incorrectly) in 1991, he would have been 6 years old. I perhaps remember incorrectly when watching T2 ages ago, as I thought that it stated ''now'' time, Perhaps I mixed that up with T1. The guy playing John in T2 and T6 looks a lot older than 6, 10 or even 13 years old.

Thank you! It blows my mind all the hate "Salvation" gets. Actually, imo, "Salvation" was better than "T2". Hear me out... The concept behind the original was a pure killing machine. "T2" had mind-blowing FX, great story--EVERYTHING...except making Arnold a joke of himself. Protector?! Not buyin' it. A more family-friendly CASH GRAB is more like it. I also love how "Salvation" showed a post-apocalyptic world in DAY LIGHT and how it showed where Skynet got the idea for making the Terminators human-like. I'm sure this thread will piss a LOT of people off. But--once again--it's just MY opinion.

I personally think the movie took some missteps, but I still think it was an enjoyable movie.

ive never watched the others. the one with bale also and the other john conner (nick stahl) was alright the world ended lol

Yeah the part where Sarah Connor is a grandmother watching her adult son play with her grandchild at a playground

Exactly